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captioning sponsored by cbs >> pelley: 90 minutes and two seconds. tonight the candidates for vice president debate right here on cbs. >> if you tear up alliances you'll be weaker, not safer. >> this movement is coming together. america is coming >> do you want a fired president or you're hired president. >> we're going to cut taxes, reduce regulations, and get this economy moving. from cbs news headquarters in new york, here is scott pelley. >> pelley: good evening. tim kaine and mike pence, one
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a heartbeat away from the presidency, the other will be the answer to a trivia question. tonight, their one and only debate. democrat kaine has the simpler task-- do no harm. but pence must try to arrest the trump campaign's slide after donald trump's debate performance and a bad week of self-inflicted wounds. kaine is 58, in his first term as u.s. senator from virginia. he also s mayor of richmond. pence is 57. he is in his first term as governor of indiana. he gave up running for re-election to be trump's running mate. pence served six terms in the u.s. house of representatives. the debate tonight is being held at longwood university in farmville, virginia. the moderator is my colleague, elaine quijano, of our streaming news service, cbsn. and as soon as it's over, we're going to get immediate reaction
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cbs news political director and the anchor of "face the nation," john dickerson, is in farmville tonight. john. >> scott, in a year where voters say they don't want politics as usual, we have two veteran politicians sitting across the table from each other in a year where the candidates at the top of the ticket have traded some pretty harsh insults, you have two men known for their more peaceful demeanor. it could be a substantive debate, except for the political pressure tonight is for both men to keep everyone focused on the flaws of their opponent at the to t >> pelley: nancy cordes is covering the clinton campaign. >> reporter: scott, kaine's goal tonight will be to force pence to defends, or disins himself from trump on any number of fronts from trump's taxes to his comments about women, to his role in the birther movement. kaine is also going to try to argue to that very small sliver of undecided voters that pence wouldn't abe moderating force on trump as vice president, that he's actually far more conservative on social issues
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rights. >> pelley: major garrett is covering the trump campaign. >> reporter: scott, governor pence will try to regain momentum lost for the trump campaign by focusing, at least initially, on four key issues it's lack of wage growth biewrg the obama economic recovery. ongoing problem with the affordable care act. and two issues related tote secretary hillary clinton's role as secretary of state. >> pelley: major garrett, nancy thanks very much. longwood university is one of the oldest schools in virginia. let's go down to the can be and our moderator elaine quijano. >> good evening. from longwood university in farmville, virginia, and welcome to the first and only vice presidential debate of 2016, sponsored by the commission on presidential debates. i'm elaine quijano, anchor at cbsn, and correspondent for cbs news. it's an honor to moderate this
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both are longtime public servants who are also proud fathers of sons serving in the u.s. marines. the campaigns have agreeded to the rules of this 90-minute debate. there will be nine different segments covering domestic and foreign policy issues. each segment will begin with a question to both candidates who will each have two minutes to answer. then, i'll ask follow-up questions to facilitate a discussion between the candidates. by coins to toss i will be first to answer the opening question. we have an enthusiastic audience tonight. they've agreed to only express that enthusiasm once at the end of the debate and right now as we welcome governor mike pence and senator tim kaine. ( applause ) ( cheers )
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nice to meet you. gentlemen, welcome. it truly is a privilege to be with both of you tonight. i'd like to start with the topic of presidential leadership. 28 years ago tomorrow night, lloyd bentsen said the vice presidential debate was not about the qualifications for the vice presidency, but how that's step in without any margin for error, without time for preparation, to take over the responsibility for the biggest job in the world. what about your qualities, your skills, and your temperament equip you to step into that role at a moment's notice? senator kaine. >> elaine, thank you for being here tonight, and, governor pence, welcome. it is so great to be back at longwood university in farmville, virginia. this is a very special place.
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courageous woman, barbara johns led a walkout of hir high school, molten high school. she made history by protesting school segregation. she believed our nation was stronger together, and that walkout led to the "brown versus board of education" decision that moved us towards the path of equality. i am so proud to be running with another strong, history-making woman, hillary clinton, to be president of the united states. i'm proud because her vision of stronger together, building an economy that w just those at the top, being safe in the order who, not only with a strong military, but also strong alliances to battle terrorism and climate change. and, also, to build a community of respect just like barbara johns tried to do 65 years ago. that's why i'm so proud to be her running mate. hillary told me why she asked me to be her running mate. she said the test of a clinton administration will not be the signing a bill or the passage of a bill. it will be whether we can make
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weather we can make a classroom a better long-range environment for school kids or teachers. whether we can make a safer-- it's going to be about results. and she said to me, "you've been a missionary and a civil rights lawyer. you've been a city councilman and mayor. you've been a lieutenant governor and governor, and now a u.s. senator. i think you will help me figure out how to govern this nation so that we always keep in mind that the success of the administration is the difference we make in people's lives." and that's what i bring to the ticket, that e served at all levels of government. but my primary role is to be hillary clinton's right-hand person and strong supporter as she puts together the most historic administration possible. and i relish that role. i'm so proud of her. i'll just say this-- we trust hillary clinton, my wife and i we trust her with the most thing in our lives. we have a son deployed in the marine corps right now. we trust hillary clinton as president and the commander in chief, but the thought of donald
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>> governor pence. >> first off, thank you, elaine, and thank you to longwood university for their wonderful hospitality, the commission on presidential debates. it's deeply humbling for me to be here, being surrounded by my wonderful family. and, senator kaine, it's an honor to be here with you as well. and i just-- i also want to say-- i want to say thanks to everyone that's looking in tonight, who understands what an enormously important time this is in the life of our nation. for the last seven and a half years, we've se place in the world weakened. we've seen an economy stifled by more taxes, more regulation, a war on coal and a failing health care reform come to be known as obamacare, and the american people know we need to make a change. so i want to thank all of you for being with us tonight. i also want to thank donald trump for making that call and inviting us to be a part of this ticket. i have to tell you, i'm a-- i'm a small-town boy from a place not too different from
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backyard. high grandfather had immigrated to this country when he was about my son's age. my mom and dad built everything that matters in a small town in southern indiana. they built a family and a good name and a business, and they raised a family. i dreamed some day of representing my home town in washington, d.c., but i-- honestly, elaine. >> never imagined, never imagined i'd have the opportunity to be governor of the state that i love, let alone be sitting at a table like this in this kind of position. so to answer your question, i would say i would hope that if-- if the responsibility ever fell to me in this role, that i would meet it with the way i'm going to meet the responsibility should i be elected vice president of the united states. and that's to bring a lifetime of experience, a lifetime growing up in a small town, a lifetime where i've served in the congress of the united states, where i've led a state that works in the great state of
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frankly, i would pray to be able to meet that moment with that-- that lifetime of experience. >> senator kaine, on the campaign trail, you praised secretary clinton's character, including her commitment to public service. yet 60% of voters don't think she's trustworthy. why do so many people distrust her? is it because they have questions about her e-mails and the clinton foundation? >> elaine, let me tell you why i trust hillary clinton. here's what peo at as they look at a public servant. do they have a passion in their life that showed up before they were in public life? and have they held on to that passion throughout their life, regardless of whether they were in office or not, succeeding or failing? hillary clinton has that passion from the time as a kid in methodist youth group in the suburbs of chicago, she has been focused on serving others with a special focus on empowering families and kids. as a civil rights lawyer in the south with the children's defense fund, first lady of
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senator, secretary of state, it's always been about putting others first. and that's a sharp contrast with donald trump. donald trump always puts himself first. he built a business career in the word of one of his own campaign staffers off the backs of the little guy. and as a candidate, he started his campaign with a speech where he called mexicans rapists and criminals, and he has pursued the discredited and really outrageous lie that president states. it is so painful to suggest that we go back to think about these days where an african american could not be a citizen of the united states. and i can't imagine how governor pence can defend the insult-driven selfish, me for-first style donald trump. >> let me ask you, you have said donald trump is, "thoughtful, compassionate, and steady." yet 67% of voters feel he is a risky choice, and 65% feel he does not have the right kind of temp early to be president.
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thermr. trump is too erratic? >> let me say first and foremost, senator, you and hillary clinton would know a lot about an insult-driven campaign. it really is remarkable. they time when literally, in the wake of hillary clinton's tenure as secretary of state, where she was the architect of the obama administration's foreign policy, we see entire portioning of the world, particularly the middle east spinning out of control. the situation we're watching the result of the failed foreign policy and the weak foreign policy that hillary clinton helped lead in this administration and create. the newly emboldened, the aggression of russia, whether it was in ukraine or-- >> you guys love russia. >> your heavy handed approach-- >> you have said-- >> gentlemen we're going to get to russia in just a moment. but i do want to get back-- >> thank you, thank you-- >> these guys have praised
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leader. >> we do have that coming up here. in the meantime, the questions were about your running mate. why the disconnect. >> in a time of great challenge in the life of this nation, where we've weakened america's place in the world, stifled america's economy, the campaign of hillary clinton and tim kaine has been an avalanche of insults. to get to your question of trustworthiness. donald trump has built a business through hard times and good times. he's brought an he's employeded tens of thousands of people in this country-- >> and paid few taxes and lost $1 billion a year. >> why the disconnect with your running mates? >> there's a reason why people question the trustworthiness of hillary clinton. and that's because they're paying attention. i mean, the reality is when she was secretary of state, senator, come on. she had a clinton foundation accepting contributions from foreign governments. >> are you donald trump's apprentice.
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time. >> isn't this a discussion? >> this is our open discussion. >> let's talk about the state-- >> governor, let me interrupt you and finish my sentence, if i can. >> finish your sentence. >> the clinton foundation accepted foreign contributions from foreign governments and foreign donors while she was secretary of state. >> okay, now i can weigh in. >> she had a private server-- >> i get to weigh in now. >> which i did raise. senator, please, you have an opportunity to-- >> out of the reach-- >> governor pence doesn't think the world's going so well, he's going to say i fault. >> do you? >> let me tell you this, when hillary clinton became secretary of state, governor pence, do you know osama bin laden was alive? >> yes. >> do you know we had 175,000 troops deployed in the battlefield in iraq and afghanistan? do you know that iran was racing towards a nuclear weapon and russia was expanding its stockpile. under secretary clinton's leadership she was part of the public safety team that went after and revived the hunt against bin laden and wiped him
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she reduced the russian's chemical weapons stockpile, worked a tough negotiation with nations around the world to eliminate the iranian nuclear weapons program without firing a shot. >> eliminate the iranian nuclear weapons program? >> that's right, without firing a shot. and instead of 175,000 american troops deployed overseas, we now have 15,000. and these are. >> and iraq has been overrun by isis because hillary clinton failed to renegotiate-- >> if you want more troops in iraq, you can propose that. renegotiate a status of forces agreement. >> that is incorrect. >> and we removed all our troops from iraq-- >> i'd like on correct-- >> and over-run vast yairlz of iraq. >> president bush said we would leave iraq at the end of 2011. and, elaine, iraq didn't want our troops to stay and wouldn't give us the protection for our troops. and guess what? if a nation where our troops are serving, does not want us to stay, we're not going to stay without them being protected.
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next topic, gentlemen. there are a lot of people in it this country worried about the economy. according to the nonpartisan committee for a responsible federal budget, neither of your economic plans will reduce the growing $19 trillion gross national debt. in fact, your plans would add even more to it. both of you were governors who balanced state budgets. are you concerned that adding more to the debt could be disastrous for the country? governor pence. >> i think the this past administration of which hillary clinton was a part, we've almost doubled the national debt. it's atrocious. i mean, i'm very proud of the fact they come from a state that works, the state of indiana has balanced budgets. we cut taxes. we made record investments in education and in infrastructure, and i still finished my term with $2 billion in the bank. that's a little bit different than when senator kaine was governor here in virginia. he actually-- he actually tried
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billion. he left his state about $2 billion in the hole. the state of indiana, we've cut unemployment in half. unemployment doubled when he was governor. i think he's a very fittingfi running mate for hillary clinton. because in the wakeave season where american families are struggling in this economy, under the weight of higher taxes and obamacare and the war on coal and the stifling avalanche of regulation coming out of this administration, hillary clinton and tim kaine want more of the they actually are advocating a trillion dollars in tax increases -- i get that. you tried to raise taxes here in virginia, were unsuccessful. but a trillion dollars in tax increases, more regulation, more of the same war on coal, and more of obamad care, even former president bill clinton calls obamad care a crazy plan. but hillary clinton and tim kaine want to build on obamacare. they want to expand it into a single-payer program, and for
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thinks obamacare is a good start. donald trump and i have a plan to get this economy moving again, just the way it worked in the 1980s, just the way it worked in the 1960s, and that is by lowering taxes across the board for working families, small business and family farms. ending the war on coal. it is hurting jobs and hurting this economy, even here in virginia. repealing obamacare, lock, stock, and barrel. and repealing all the executive orders that barack obama has signed that are stifling economic growth in this country. we can get america moving again. put on top of that the kind of trade deal that will put the american worker first and you have a prescription for real growth. when you get the economy growing, elaine, that's when you can deal with the national debt. when we get back to $3.5% to 4% growth, which donal donald trums plans will do, we'll have the resources to meet our nation's needs at home and abroad and bring down the debt.
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fundamental choice for the american electorate. do you want a "you're hire"president in hillary clinton or a requested you're fire "president in trump. first we invest in manufacturing infrastructure and research in the clean energy jobs of tomorrow. second thing we invest in our workforce from pre-k education, great teachers and debt-free college and tuition-free college for families that make less $worn 25,000 a year. we promote fairness by raising the minimum wage, and paying women equal pay for equal work. fourth, we promote small-business growth, just as we've done in virginia to make it easier to start and grow small businesses. hillary and i each grew up in small-ps families. and fifth we have a tax plan that targets tax relief to middle-class individuals and small business and ask those at
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recession to pay more. the trump plan is a different plan. it's the "you're fired "plan. first, donald trump said wages are too high, and both donald trump and mike pence think we ought to eliminate the federal minimum wage. mike pence, when he was in congress, voted against raising the minimum wage above $5.15. and he has been a one-man bullwork against minimum wage increases in indiana. i the second component of the plan is very top, trl trillions of dolls in tax breaks for people just like donald trump. the problem with this, elaine, that's exactly what we did 10 years ago, and it put the economy into the deepest recession, the deepest recession since the 1930s. independent analysts say the clinton plan would grow the economy by 10.5 million jobs. the trump plan would cost 3.5 million jobs. and donald trump, why would he do this? because his tax plan basically
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returns to the american public like he said he would, we would see just how much his economic plan is really a trump-first plan. >> on that point, governor pence, recently the "new york times" released part of mr. trump's 1995 tax return and reported that he could have avoided paying federal income taxes for years. yesterday, mr. trump said he brilliantly used the laws to pay as little tack as legally possible. does that sound fair to you? >> well, first, let me say appreciated the you're hired/you're fired thing, senator. you used that a whole lot, and i think your running mate use aid lot of predone lines. look, what you just heard out there is more taxes, $2 trillion in more spending, more deficits, more debt, more government. and if you think that's all work, then you look at the other side of the table. i mean the truth of the matter is, the policies of this
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to continue, have run this economy into a ditch. >> 15 million new jobs. >> we're in the lowest recovery since the great depression. >> governor, my question was-- >> there are millions more people living in poverty today than the day barack obama with hillary clinton at his side stepped into the oval office. >> and the median income improved dramatically between 2014 and 2015. >> honestly, senator, you can roll out the numbers and the sunny side, but i have to tell you people in scranton know people in fort wayne, indiana, know different. this economy is struggling. and the answer to this is not more taxes-- >> but it's not give-away to those at the top. i am interested in hearing whether he will defend his running mate not paying taxes. >> governor, with all due respect, the question was about whether it seems fair to you that mr. trump said he brilliantly used the laws to pay as little tax as legally possible? >> this is probably the difference between donald trump and hillary clinton and senator
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senator kaine-- and, god bless you for it, career public servants. that's great. donald trump is a businessman, not a career politician. he actually built a business-- those tax returns that were-- that came out publicly this week show that he-- he faced some pretty tough times 20 years ago. but like virtually every other business, including the "new york times" not too long ago, he used what's called net operating loss. we have a tax code, senator, that actually is designed to encourage entrepreneurship-- >> gut butt why won't >> we're answering the question about the business thing. is he-- >> i do want to come back on this. >> his tax return showed he went through a very difficult time but he used the tax code just wait it's supposed to be used, and he did it brilliantly. >> how do you know that? you haven't seen his tax return. >> because he created a business worth billions of dollars. >> how do you know that? >> with regard to paying taxes, this whole riff about not paying taxes and people saying he
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thousands of jobs, and he's paid pairl taxes and-- >> elaine, let me talk about that. >> senator i'm going to give b bu30 seconds to respond and i have a question about social security. >> donald trump started this campaign in 2014. he said, "firun for president i will absolutely release my taxes." he has broken his first promise. >> and he will. he hasn't broken his promise. >> he stood on the stage last week when when hillary said you haven't been paying taxes, he so it's smart not to pay for our military. it's smart not to pay for our veterans and it's smart not to pay for teachers and i guess those of white house pay for those, i guess we're stupid. >> do you take all the deduction you're entitled to? i do. >> he had to give his tax returns to show he was qualified to be vice president. crump must give the american public his tax returns to show he's qualified to be president,
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>> you get very little time. >> i'll be very respectful. look. donald trump has filed over 100 pages of financial disclosure which is what the law requires. >> he said he would release his tax returns. >> and he's going to-- senator, he's going to release his tax returns when the audit is over. >> i want to ask a question about social security. >> richard nixon released tax returns when he was under audit. if you can't meet richard nixon's standards-- >> gentlemen, people at home can't understand either one ofyo other. i will ask that you wait until the other is finished. >> okay, we're having fun in here. >> on the issue of social security, in 18 years, when the social security trust funds run out of money, you'll be 76. the committee for a responsible federal budget estimates your benefits could be cut by as much as $7500 per year. what would your administration do to prevent this can cut? >> first, we're going to protect social security which is one of the greatest programs the american government has ever
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would work your whole life-- your whole life-- raising your kids, working as a little league coach, sunday school teacher and then retire into poverty. and social security has enabled people to retire with dignity and overwhelmingly not be in poverty. we have to keep it solvent and we will keep it solvent and we'll look for strategies like adjusting the payroll tax cap upward in order to do that. here's what hillary and i will not do-- and i want to make this very plain-- we will never, ever, engage in a to privatize social security. donald trump wrote a book and he said social security is a ponzi scheme, and privatization would be good for all of us. and when congressman pence was in congress, he was the chief cheerleader for the privatization of social security, even after president bush stopped pushing for it, congressman pence kept pushing for it. we're going to stand up against efforts to privatize social security, and we'll look for ways to keep it solvent going
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>> governor pence, i'll give you an opportunity to respond. >> well, thanks, elaine. there they go again. okay. >> go read the book. >> donald trump and i have said about social security is we're going it meet our obligations to our seniors, that's it. >> go read the the book. >> we said we're going to meet the obligation of medicare. this is the old scare tactic that they roll out-- >> but you have a voting record, governor. >> and i get all of that. i just-- look, there's a question you asked a little bit earlier. >> i can't believe you won't defend your own voting record. >> i have to go back to. well, look, you're running with hillary clinton, who wants to raise taxes by $1 trillion, increase spend buying $2 trillion, and you say you're going to keep the promises of social security. donald trump and i are going to cut taxes. >> you're not going to cut taxes. you're going to raise taxes on the middle class. >> and meet the obligations of social security and medicare. if we stay on the path your
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mountain range of depth and face hard choices. >> gentlemen, i want to move on. >> he did ask the question about debt, and the debt explosion on the trump plan is much, much bigger than anything on the clinton side. >> all right, let me move on. law enforcement and race relations. after the dallas police shook the, police chief david brown said, "we're asking cops to do too much in this country. every societal fairly, we put it off on the cops to solve. funding, not enough drug addiction funding, schools fail, let's give it to the cops." do we ask too much of police officers in this country? and how would you specifically address the chief's concern. senator kaine. >> elaine, i think that's a very fair comment. i think we put a lot on police shoulders i was a city council man and mayor in richard mon, and when i came in we had one of the highest homicide rates in the united states.
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the my time in local office and we reduced our human rate in half. when i was governor in virginia, we worked hard, too. and we had really wanted to do, for the first time ever, he cracked the top 10, 10 safest states, because we worked together. here's what i learned as a mayor, and a governor-- the way you make communities safer and the way you make police safer is through community policing. you build the bonds between the community and the police force, build bonds of understanding, comfortable in their communities, that gap between the police and the communities they serve narrows. and had that gap narrows, it's safer for the communities and it's safer for the police. that model still works across our country. but there are some other models that don't work-- an overly-aggressive more militarized model. donald trump recently said he need to do more stop and frisk across the country. that would be a big mistake
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here's what we'll do-- we'll focus on community policing. we will focus on-- hillary clinton has rolled out a comprehensive mental health package she worked on with law enforcement professionals -- and we will also fight the scourge of gun violence in the united states. a gun owner. i'm a strong second amendment supporter, but i have a lot of scar tissue because what evidence a governor in virginia there was a horrible shooting in virginia tech, and we learned through that painful situation, gaps in the background checks system should have been closed and it could have prevented that crime. we're going to work to do things like close background record checks and if we do we won't have the tragedies that we did. one of the guys killed was a 70-plus--year-old romanian holocaust survivor. he survived the holocaust, then survived the soviet union takeover of his country, but then he was a visiting professor at virginia tech and he couldn't survive the scourge of gun violence. we can support the second
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background record checks and make us safer and that will make police safer, too. >> before pence. >> you know, my uncle was a cop, a career cop, on the beat in downtown chicago. he was my hero when i was growing up. when we'd go up to visit my dad's family in chicago my three brothers and i would marvel at myself uncle when he would come out in his uniform, his sidearm at his side. pleas officers are the best of us, men, women, american, asian, hispanic, they put their lives on the line every single day. and let me say, you know, at the risk of agreeing with you, community policing is a great idea. it's worked in the hoosier state. and we fully support that. donald trump and i are going to make sure that law enforcement has the resources and the tools to be able to really restore law
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it's probably, probably why the 330,000 members of the fraternal order of police endorsed donald trump as the next president of the united states of america because they see his commitment to them. they see his commitment to law and order. but they also-- they also hear the bad-mouthing, the bad-mouthing that comes from people that seize upon tragedy in the wake of police action shootings as a reason to use a broad brush to accuse law enforcement of implicit bias or institutional racism. and that really has got to stop. i mean, when an african american police officer in charlotte named brantly vincent, an all-star football player, who went to liberty university here in the state, came home, followed his dad into law enforcement, joined the force in charlotte, joined the force in charlotte in 2014, was involved in a police action shooting that
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scott, it was a tragedy. i mean, we mourn with those who mourn. we grieve with those who grieve. we're saddened at the loss of life. but hillary clinton actually referred to that moment as an example of implicit bias in the police force, when he was asked in the debate a week ago whether there was implicit bias in law enforcement her only answer was there's implicit bias in everyone in the united states. >> can i explaining-- >> what we ought to do is tragedy. we ought to assure the public that we'll have a full and complete and transparent investigation whenever there's a loss of life because of police action. but, senator, please, you know, enough of this seeking every opportunity to demean law enforcement broadly by making the accusation of implicit bias every time tragedy occurs. >> elaine, people shouldn't be afraid to bring up issues of bias in law enforcement.
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discussion, you'll never solve it. here's an example, heartbreaking, we would agree this is a heartbreak example. the guy castile who was killed in st. paul. he was a work, a valued worker in a local school. and he was killed for no parent reason in an incident that will be discussed and will be investigated. but when folks went and explored the situation, what they found is that filando castile-- they called him "mr. rog wers dreadlocks" in the school he worked, the kids loved him. he had been stopped by police 40 or 50 times before that fatal incident. if you look at sentencing in this country, american more than and latinos get sentenced at very different rates. >> we need criminal justice reform. >> those hosay we should not be able to bring up and talk about bias in the system, we'll never solve the problem. >> senator, when--
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pence-- >> when an african american police officer is involved in a police action shooting involved an african american, why would hillary clinton accuse that african american police of implicit bias. >> i guess you-- >> governor pence, your fellow republican, tim scott, who is an african american recently spoke on the senate floor. he said he was stopped seven times by law enforcement in one year. >> a u.s. senator. >> he said, "i have felt the anger, t sadness, and the humiliation that comes with feeling like you're being targeted for nothing more than being just yourself." what would you say to senator scott about his experiences. >> well. >> have the deepest respect for senator scott, and he's a close friend. and what i would say is we-- we need to adopt criminal justice reform nationally. i signed criminal justice reform in the state of indiana, senator. and we're very proud of it.
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we have got to do a better job recognizing and correcting the errors in the system that do reflect on institutional bias in criminal justice. but what-- what-- what donald trump and i are saying let's not have the reflex of assuming the worst of men and women in law enforcement. we truly do not believe law enforcement and not a force for racism-- >> what would you say >> law enforcement in this country is a force for good. they truly are people that put their lives on the line every single day. but i would-- i would suggest to you what we need to do is assert a stronger leadership at the national level to support law enforcement. you just heard senator kaine reject stop and frisk. well, i would suggest to you that the families that live in our inner cities that are
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senator scott. >> elaine, if i could jump in, i have heard senator scott make that eloquent plea. and, look, criminal justice is about respecting the law and being respected by the law so there is a fundamental respect issue here. and i just want to talk about the tone set from the top. donald trump during this campaign has called mexicans rapists and criminals. he's called women slobz, pigs, dogs, disgusting. i don't like saying that in front of my wife and mother. he attacked an federal judge and said he was unqualified to hear a federal lawsuit because i had parents were mexican. he went after john mccain, a p.o.w., and said he wasn't a hero because he'd been captured. he said african americans are living in hell. and he perpetrated this outrageous and bigoted lie that president obama is not a u.s. citizen. if you want to have a society where people are respected and respect laws, you can't have somebody at the top who demeans every group that he talks about.
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governor pence will defend the insult-driven campaign that donald trump has run. >> all right, i want to turn to our next segment now, immigration. your running mates have both said undocumented immigrants who have committed violent crimes should be deported. what would you tell the millions of undocumented immigrants who have not committed violent crimes? governor pence. >> donald trump's laid out a plan to end illegal immigration once and for all in this country. we've been talking it to death for 20 years. hillary clinton want to continue the policies of open borders, amnesty, catch and release, sanctuary cities -- all the things that are driving-- that are driving wages down in this country, senator, and also, too often, with criminal aliens in the country, it's bringing heartbreak. but i-- donald trump has a plan that he laid out in arizona, that will deal systemically with
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with border security, internal enforcement. it's probably why for the first time in the history of immigrations and customs enforcement, their union actually endorsed donald trump as the next president of the united states because they know they need help to enforce the laws of this country. and donald trump has laid out a priority to remove criminal aliens, remove people that have overstayed their visas. and once we have accomplished all of that-- which will strengthen our economy, strengthen the rule of law in the country, and make our communities safer once the criminal aliene we'll deal with those that remain. but i-- i-- i have to tell you, i was listening to the avalanche of insults coming out of senator kaine a minute ago. >> these were donald-- hold on a second, senator. >> it is my time. >> it is, the governor is talking. >> he said ours is an insult-driven campaign. did you all just hear that? ours is an insult-driven campaign. to be honest with you, if donald trump said all the things you
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said he said them, he still wouldn't have a fraction of the insults that hillary clinton leveled when she said that half of our supporters were a basket of deplorables. it's-- she said they were irredeemable. they were not america. it's extraordinary. and sheen laid one after another isms on medicine of americans who believe we can is a stronger america at home and abroad, who believe we can get this economy end illegal immigration once and for. so, senator this, insult-driven campaign-- >> governor. >> that's small potatoes-- >> senator kaine. >> and trump supporters and basket of deplorables. >> hillary clinton said should something on the campaign trail, and the next day she said i shouldn't have said that. >> governor pence,. >> now we're even.
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apologize for apologize to john mccain for saying he wasn't a hero. for apologize-- >> she's apologized. >> governor, it is his two minutes. >> did he apologize for saying african americans are living in hell? did he apologize for saying president obama was not even a citizen of the united states? you will look in vein to see donald trump ever taking responsibility for anybody and apologizing. immigration-- there are two hillary and i unbelievable comprehensive immigration reform. donald trump believes in deportation nation. you've got to pick your choice. hillary and i want a bipartisan reform that will put keeping families together is the top goal. second, that will help focus enforcement efforts on those who are violent. third, that will do more border control, and fourth, it will provide a path to citizenship for those howork hard, pay taxes, play by the rules, and
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donald trump proposes to deport 16 million people. 11 million who are here without documents, and both donald trump and mike pence want to get rid of birth right citizenship. so. you're born here but your parents don't have documents, they want to eliminate that. that's another 4.5 million people. these guys-- and donald trump has said it-- deportation force. they want to go house to house, school to school, business to business, and kick out 16 million people. >> that's nonsee. governor pence would sit here and defend his running mate's claim that we should create a deportation force so that they'll all be gone. >> senator we have a deportation force. it's called immigrations and customs enforcement. and the union for immigration and customs enforcement for thef first time in their history endorsed donald trump to be president-- >> so you like the 16 million deportation plan. >> senator, that's nonsense. what you just heard is they have
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>> our plan is like ronald reagan plan from 1986. >> they call it comprehensive immigration reform on capitol hill. we all know the routine. it's amnesty. and you heard one of the last things he mentioned was border security. that's how washington always playing plaiz it. >> no. >> so, governor-- >> border this-- >> three years ago, and governor pence was against it. >> governor, mr. truch has said-- >> a nation without borders is not a nation. donald trump is committed to restoring the boarders of this our nation. >> undocumented immigrant leave? would they be forceibly removed? >> i think donald trump laid out a series of priorities that doesn't end with border security. it begins with border security. after we secure the border, not only build a wall, but beneath the ground and in the air, we do internal enforcement, but he said the focus has to be on criminal aliens. we just had a conversation about law enforcement. we just had a conversation aboue the violence debe setting our
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heartbreak and tragedy that has struck american families because who game caim into this country illegally, are now involved in criminal enterprise andis activity, and we don't have the resources or the will to deport them systematically. donald trump has said we're going to move those people out, people pooem who have overstayed their visas, we are going to enforce the laws of this country, strengthen immigration and customs with more resources and personnel to be able to do once we've done all of those things, we're going to reform the immigration system that-- >> i just have to correct governor pence. i have to-- >> that's the order that you should do it-- border security, removing criminal aliens, upholding the law, and then, senator, i'll work with you when you go back to the senate, i promise you. we'll work with you to reform the immigration system. >> look forward to working together in whatever capacities we serve nbut i just want to make it very, very clear these
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when donald trump spoke inke phoenix he looked the audience in the and a side we're building the wall and deporting everybody. he said, "they will all be gone. they will all be gone." and this is one of the ones you can go to the tape to and see what donald trump has said. >> he's talking about criminal aliens. >> and to add to it, and to add to it, to add to it. we are a nation of immigrant. mike pence and i are descended from immigrant families. some things maybe were said about the irish when they came but we have done well by absorbing immigrants and it's made our nation stronger. when donald trump says mexicans are rapists and criminals, he said judge curio was unqualified, unqualified to hear a case because his parents were mexican, i can't imagine how you defend that. >> gentlemenuc i would like to
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place. has the terrorism threat increase odor decreased. senator kaine. >> the terrorist threat has decreased in some ways because bin laden is dead. it has decreased because an iranian nuclear weapons program has been stopped. the terrorist threat to united states troops has been decreased in some ways because there are not 175,000 in a dangerous part of the world. there are only 15,000. but there are other parts of the world that are challenging. let me tell you this-- to beat terrorism, there is only one candidate who can do it, and remember, hillary clinton of the senator from new york on 9/11. she was there at the world trade center when they were still searching for victims and survivors. that seared on to her the need to beat terrorism. and she's got a plan to do it. she was part of the national security team that wiped out bin laden. here's her plan to kefeet isil. first, we've got to keep taking out their leaders on the battle field. she was part of the team that
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al-baghdadi. disrupt their ability to recruit on the internet and their safe havenes, but, we also have, to with allies to share and surge intelligence. that's the hillary clinton plan. she's got experience to do it. donald trump-- donald trump can't start a twitter war with miss universe without shooting himself in the foot. donald trump doesn't have a plan. he said, "i have a secret plan," and then he said," i know more than all the generals about isil." call the generals to help me fig outer a plan."a and finally he said, "i'm going to fire all the generals." he doesn't have a plan. but he does have dangerous ideas. he trash talks the military. the military is a disaster. john mccain's no hero, the generals need all to be fired and i know more than them. he wants to tear up alliances. nato is obsolete, and we'll only work together with israel if they pay big league. third, he loves dictators. he's got kind of a personal
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kim jong-un, muammar gaddafi and saddam hussein. and last and most dangerously, donald trump believes, donald trump believes that world will be safer if more nations have nuclear weapons. he said saudi arabia should get them, japan should get them, korea should get them. when he was confronted with this and told wait a minute a terrorist get those proliferation could lead to nuclear war. here's what donald trump said, "go ahead, folks. i'd love to hear governor pence tell me what's so enjoyable or comical about nuclear war. >> governor pence. >> did you work on that for a long time because it had a lot of creative lines in it. >> i'm going to see if you can defend any of it. >> i can defend-- i can make very clear to the american people. after traveling millions of miles with our secretary of state, after being the architect of the policy of this
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safe than the day barack obama became president of the united states. it's arguably. we have waninged america's place in the world. it's beforehand a combination of factors but mostly it's been a lack of leadership. i will give you-- i was in washington, d.c. on 9/11. i saw the clouds of smoke rise from the pentagon. >> i was in virginia. where the pentagon is. >> i know you were. we all lived through that day as a nation. it was heartbreaking. and i want to give this president credit for bringing osama bin lade but the truth sosama bin laden led al qaeda. our primary threat today is isis. and because hillary clinton failed to renegotiate a status of forces agreement, that would have allowed some american combat troops to remain in iraq and secure the hard-fought gains the american soldier had won by 2009, isis was able to be literally conjured up out of the
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areas that the american soldier had won in operation iraqi freedom. my heart brakes for the like of lance corp really libow, is cihe fought hard through some of the most difficult days freedom, and paid the ultimate sacrifice. and that nation was secured in 2009 but because hillary clinton and barack obama failed to agreement and leave sufficient troops in there, we are back at war. the president just ordered more troops on the ground. we are back at war in iraq, and scott subowski, whose mom was come to events in new castle, indiana, and see me and i would always give her a hug and tell her he never would forget her son and we never will.
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the iranian deal that hillary clinton initiated, $150 billion-- >> stopping a nuclear weapons program without firing a shot. >> you didn't stop the nuclear weapons program. >> yes, we did. even the israeli military says it's stopped. >> you guaranteed that iran will some day become a nuclear power because there's no limitations once the period of time of treaty comes off. >> governor pence, mr. trump has proposed extreme veth of immigrants from part of the world that export terrorism but that does not address many of the recent tryst att i orlando nightclub massacre and the recent bombings in new york and new jersey. those were home grown, committed by u.s. citizens and legal residents. what specific tools would you use to prevent those kinds of attacks? >> well, i think it's-- i think it's a great question, elaine. but it really does begin with us reforming our immigration system and putting the interests, particularly the safety and security of the american people,
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comincoming in to this country o that we don't bring people in to the united states who are hostile to our bill of rights freedoms, who are hostile to the american way of life. also, donald trump and i are committed to suspending the syrian refugee program, and programs in immigration from areas of the world that have been compromiseed by terrorism. hillary clinton and tim kaine want to increase the syrian refugee program by 500-- >> the question bfs terror. >> but first, let's make sure we're putting the safety and security of the american people first, instead of hillary clinton expanding the syrian-- >> or instead of you violating the constitution by block people based on their national origin rather than on whether they're dangerous. >> that's not-- that's absolutely false. >> that's what the seventh circuit decided. we have different views on refugee issues. and on immigration. hillary and i want to do enforcement based on are people dangerous? these guys say all mexicans are
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>> that's absolutely false. >> with respect to refugees, we want to keep people out if they are dangerous. donald trump said keep them out if they're muslim. mike pence put a program in place to keep them out if they're from syria. and yesterday an appellate court with three republican judges struck down the pence plan and said it was discriminator pep we should focus on danger, not discrimination. >> elaine, to your point, those judges said it was because there wasn't any evidence yett isis had infiltrated the united states. germany just arrested three syrian refugees-- >> they told you there's a right way and wrong way to do it. >> if you're going to be critical of me on that, that's fair game. i will tell you, after two syrian refugees were involved in want attacks in paris, called paris' 9/11, as governor of the state of indiana, i have no higher priority than the safety and security of the people of my state, so you bet i suspended
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of the united states or donald trump is president we're going to put the safety and the security of the american people first. >> sure, can we just be clear. hill expree i will do immigration enforcement and vet refugees based on whether they're dangerous or not. we won't do it based on discriminating against you from the country you come from or the religious you practice. that is completel antithetical to the jeffersonian values . >> the director of f.b.i. said we can't know for certain who >> yes, we can. when we don't know who they are, we don't let them in. >> the f.b.i. and homeland security said we can't know for certain, you have to err on the side of the safety and security of the american people. senator, i understand-- >> by trashing all syrians or muslims. >> senator kaine, let me ask you this, secretary clinton has talked about an intelligence surge. >> yes. >> what exactly would an intelligence surge israeli, and how would that help look like
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organizations? >> an intelligence surge is two things, elaine, two things. it's dramatically expanding our intelligence capacitieses by hiring great professionals but also we have some of the best intele and cyber employees right here in the united states working for many of our private sector companies. it involves increase in our forces and striking partnerships with the private sector so we can, consistent with constitutional principles, gather more intelligence. but the second pie really, really important. it also means creating stronger alliances. because you gather intelligence, and then you share your intelligence back and forth with allies, and that's how you find out who may be trying to recruit, who may be trying to come from one country to the next. alliances are critical. that's why donald trump's claim that he wants to-- that nato is obsolete and that we need to get rid of nato is so dangerous. >> that's not his plan. >> he said nato is obsolete.
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alliances, who are you going to share intelligence with? hillary clinton is a secretary of state who knows how to build alliances. she built the sanctions regime around the world that stopped the iranian nuclear program and that's what an intelligence surge means, better skill and alliances. >> i would like to turn to-- >> can i speak about the cyber-security surge at all? >> you can have 30 seconds, governor quickly. >> well, first, donald trump just spoke about this issue this we have knot to bring think about together the best resources of this country to understand that cyber warfare is the new warfare of the asymmetrical enemies we face this this country. and i look forward, if i'm privileged to be in the role ofo working with you in the ?eet to make sure we resource in that area. >> we will work together in whatever roles we serve. >> i will also tell you it's important in this mope to remember that hillary clinton
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home, with classified information on-- >> all right, governor, your 30 seconds is up. >> drone strikes,y e-mails from the united states of the united states of america were on-- >> governor, i'd like to ask you about syria, governor, you have a minute, 215-- >> a full investigation concluded that not one reasonable prosecutor would take any additional step. you don't get to decide the rights and wrongs of this. we have a justice system that does tha f.b.i. director did andi investigation and concluded-- >> all right, we are moving on now. >> senator-- >> 150,000 people, 100,000 of them children-- >> governor. >> that is absolutely false and you know that. and you know that. >> it's absolutely true. >> because the f.b.i. did an investigation. >> gentlemen-- >> and they concluded there was no reasonable prosecutor who would take it further. sorry about that. >> governor of please. i want to turn now to syria. 250,000 people, 100,000 of them
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aleppo, syria, bunker buster bombs, cluster musicians and incendiary weapons are being dropped on them by russian and syrians. does the u.s. have a responsibility to protect civilians and prevent mass casualties on this scale. governor pence? >> the united states of america needs to begin to exercise strong leadership to protect the vulnerable citizens and over 100,000 children in aleppo. when she became secretary of state, was the russian reset. the russian reset. after the russian reset, the russians invaded ukraine and took over crimea. and the small and bullying leader of russia is now dictating termses to the united states to the point where all the united states of america-- the-- the greatest nation on earth, just wrawz from talks
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vladimir putin puts a missile defense system in syria, while he marshals the forces. we have got to begin to lead into this with strong, broad-shouldered leadership. it begins by rebuilding our military. and the russians and chinese have been making enormous investments in the military. we have the smallest navy since 1916. we have the lowest number of troops nsince the end of the second world war. we've got to work with the congress and donald trump will, to rebuild our project american strength in the world. but about aleppo and about syria, i truly do believe that what america ought to do right now is immediately establish safe zones so families and vulnerable-- families with children can move out of those areas, work with our arab partners, real time, right now to make that happen. and academy isly, i just, secondly, i have to tell the
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and if russia continues to be involved and continued-- i should say be involved -- in this barbaric attack on civilians in aleppo, the united states of america should be prepared to use military force, to trike military targets to the assad regime, to prevent them from this humanitarian crisis that is taking place in aleppo. there's a broad range of other things we ought to do as well. we ought to deploy a missile defense shield to the czech republic and hillary clinton and barack obama pulled back on not wanting to offend the russians. we have to have american strength on the world stage. when donald trump becomes president of the united states, the russians and other countries in the world we'll know they're dealing with a strong american president. >> senator. >> hill expree i also agree the establishment of a humanitarian zone in northern syria, with the provision of international human aid, consistent with the u.n. security council resolution passed in february 2014 would be a very, very good idea.
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way that this ticket does not. donald trump again and again has praised vladimir putin and it's clear he has business dealings with russian oligarchs very connected to putin. the trump campaign management team had to be fired a month or so ago because of those shadowing connections with pro-putin forces. governor pence made the odd claim, he said inarguably, vladimir putin is a better leader than president obama. vladimir putin has run his on he's persecutes l.g.b.t. folks and journalists. if you don't know the difference between dictatorship and leadership, then you've got to go back to a fifth exwraid civics class. i'll tell you what offends me. >> that offend me. >> governor pence just said-- governor pence just said that donald trump will rebuild the military. no, he won't. donald trump is avoiding paying taxes. the "new york times" story-- and we need to get it this-- but the "new york times" story suggested
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about 18 years starting in 1995. those years included the years of 9/11. so get this-- on 9/11, hillary clinton and donald trump's home town was attacked. by the worst terrorist attack in the history of the united states. young men and women, young men and women signed up to serve in the military to fight terrorism. hillary clinton went to washington to get funds to rebuild her city and protect first responders, but trump was fighting a very different fight. it was a fight to taxes so that he wouldn't support the fight against terror. >> the question was about aleppo, senator. >> he wouldn't support-- this is important, elaine. when a guy running for president will not support the troops, not support veterans, not support teachers, that's really important. and i said about aleppo, we do agree the notion is we have to create a humanitarian zone in northern syria. it's very important. >> governor pence, you had mentioned no-fly zone.
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how would you keep it safe? >> well, first and foremost, donald trump support our troops. donald trump supports our veterans. >> he won't pay taxes. >> donald trump has paid all the taxes that he's-- can do you not take did you ductions? >> >> gentlemen, this is about syria. >> it is about our troops. >> i understand why you want to change the subject. i understand why you want to change the subject. and let me be very clear on this russian thing, the larger question here-- >>yo time to get to russia here. >> what we're dealing with-- there's an old proverb that says the russian bear never dies. it just hieber naits. and the week and feckless foreign policy of hillary clinton and barack obama has awaken an aggression in russia that first appeared a few years ago with their move into georgia. now their move into crimea. and now their move into the
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we're not having talks anymore. to answer your question, we just need american strength. we need to marshal the resources of our allies in the region, and we need to act and act now to get people out of harm's way. >> and exactly how would those safe zones work? how would they remain stave? >> the safe zones would have to be-- as the senator said-- there's already a framework for this that's been recognized by the international community. the united states of america needs to be preparedded to work with our allies in the region create a route for safe passage, and then to protect people in those areas, including with a no-fly zone. but, look, this is very tough stuff. i served on the foreign affairs committee for a decade. i traveled in and out of that region for 10 years. i saw what the american soldier won in operation iraqi freedom, and to see the weak and feckless leadership that hillary clinton was the architect of in the foreign policy of the obama administration-- >> let me come back and talk--
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that the change the day donald trump becomes president. >> he doesn't want to acknowledge we stopped the iran nuclear weapons prospect. >> you didn't. >> he doesn't want to acknowledge hillary is part of the team that got bin laden. >> i just did. >> that it's a good thing negotiate a bad thing, that we're down from 175,000 troops deployed overseas to 15,000. let me tell you what will really make the middle east dangerous-- donald trump's idea that more nations should get nuclear weapons -- saudi arab, south korea. ronald reagan said something about nuclear proliferation in the 1 1980s. he said the problem with nuclear proliferation should fool or maniac would trigger a catastrophic event. and that's who i think the governor's running mate is. >> senator, senator, that's even beneath you and hillary clinton, and that's pretty low. >> do you think more nuclear weapons in the world upon make
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>> ronald reagan also said a nuclear war should never be fought because it could never be won. and the united states of america needs to make investments in modernizing our nuclear force for both deterrents-- >> but donald trump's claim that more nations should get nuclear weapons. >> let me go back to the iran thing. he keeps saying they prevented -- that hillary clinton, who started the deal with the iranians prevented iran from getting a nuclear weapon. >> that's what the israeli he saying right now, governor pence. >> that's not what israel thinks. i know you boycotted prime prime minister's netanyahu's speech. >> i visited him in his office. >> what the so-called iran deal did was essentially guarantee-- when i was in congress i fought hard on a bipartisan basis with republican and democrat members
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the united states-- >> and then hillary used them to get a deal. >> we were bringing them to heal but the goal was always we would only lift the sanctions if iran importantly renounced their nuclear albitions. elaine, let me finish a sentence. they have not renounced their nuclear ambitions. $1.7 millionn payment. >> six times tonight i have said to governor pence, "i can't imagine how you can defend your running mate's position on one issue after the next." and in all six cases he's refused to defend-- >> don't put words in my mouth. if he's going to do that, you have to give me time. >> he is asking everybody to vote for somebody he cannot defend and i think that should be underlined. >> gentlemen, let's talk about russia-- >> i will give you an opportunity-- >> i'll take them one at a time.
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nuclear weapons. try to defend that. >> he never said, that senator. >> he absolutely said it. saudi arabia, south korea, and japan. >> russian president vladimir pint invaded ukraine, annexed crimea and provided crucial military support to the assad regime. what steps if any would your administration take to counter these actions. senator kaine. >> you have to be tough on russia so let's start by not praising vladimir putin as a great he's a great leader. and donald trump-- >> no, we haven't. >> and donald trump has business dealings with russia that he refuses to disclose. hillary clinton has gone toe to toe with russia. he went toe to toe with russia as secretary of state to do the new start agreement to reduce russia's nuclear stockpile. she's had the experience doing it. she went toe to toe with russia and lodged protests when they went into georgia. and we've done the same thing
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punishing economic sanctions on russia that we need to continue. donald trump, on the other hand, didn't know that russia had invaded country merah. >> that's nonsense. >> he was on a tv show a couple of months back and said,"i'll guarantee you this, russia is not going into the ukraine." and he had to be reminded they had gone into the crimea two years before. >> he knew that. >> hillary clinton has gone toe to toe with russia to work out a deal on new start. she got them engaged in a meaningful way to cap iran's nuclear wes she stood up to them on issues such as syria and their invasion of georgia. you've got to have the ability to do that and hillary does. on the other hand, in donald trump, you have somebody who praises vladimir putin all the time. america should really wonder about a president trump who had a campaign manager with ties to putin, pro-putin elements in the ukraine, when had to be fired for that reason. they should wonder when donald trump is sitting down with
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it going to be donald trump's bottom line that he's going to be worried about with all of his business dealings? now, this could be solved if donald trump would be willing to release his tax returns, as he told the american public that he would do. i know he's laughing at this, but every president-- >> what's it got to do with russia? >> every president since richard nixon has done it, and donald trump has said i'm doing business with russia. only way the american public will see if he has a conflict of interest i. >> he hasn't said >> yes, he has. >> thanks, just trying to keep up with the insult-driven campaign on the other side of the table. >> you know, i'm just saying facts about your running mate. and i know you can't defend them. >> senator-- >> don't put words in my mouth when i'm not defending him. i'm happy to defend him. most of the things he said are false.
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versus reality. hillary clinton said her number one priority was a reset with russia. that reset fg resulted in the invasion of ukraine. after they'd infiltrated with what are called little green men, russian soldiers dressing up like ukraine cran dissidents, and then they moved all the way into crimea, took over the crimean peninsula. donald trump knew that happened. he basically was saying it's not going to happen again. the truth of the matter is what aggressive russia, which has had increased its influence in iran, now because of this deal is on a pathway in the future to obtain a nuclear-- the leading state sponsor of terror in the world in iran now has a closer working relationship with russia because of hillary clinton and barack obama's foreign policy. and $150 billion and sanctions all being lifted.
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is imploding. you just asked a very thoughtful question about the disaster in aleppo. isis is headquartered in raqqa. it is isis from raqqa has over-run vast areas that at great sacrifice, the american soldier won in operation iraqi freedom. and yet, senator kaine, still sits here, loyal soldier-- i get all that-- and saying that the foreign policy of hillary clinton and barack obama somehow made the world more secure. >> we wiped out leader of al qaeda. >> on the day iran released hostages we delivered $400 million in cash as a ransom payment for hostages held by the radical mulla-- >> today, mr. trump said putin has no request for hillary clinton and no respect for obama. why do you think he'll respect a trump-pence administration?
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>> business strength. >> that's nonsense. donald trump-- >> donald trump's son says-- >> who is going to lead with american-- >> please, senator, i'll give you a chance to respond. >> we're going to rebuild our military. and this whole putin thing. look, smerk stronger than russia. our economy is 16 times larger than the russian economy. america's political system is superior to the crony, corrupt, capitalist system in russia in every when donald trump and i observe that, as i've said, in syria, in iran, in ukraine, that the small and bullying leader of russia has been stronger on the world stage than this administration, that's-- that's stating painful facts. that's not an endorsement of vladimir putin. that's an indictment of the weak and feckless leadership of hillary clinton and barack obama. >> this is one where you can just go to the tape on it.
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inarguably, vladimir putin is aa better leader than president obama. >> that is absolutely nakerate. >> and i just think-- >> i said he's been stronger on the world stage. >> no, you said leader. >> i did not. >> and i'll just say this, governor-- >> you just said better. >> if you mistake leadership for dictatorship, and you can't tell the difference, a country that's running its economy into the ground-- >> this is the grade school thing again. >> if you can't tell the difference, you shouldn't and donald trump's sons say they have all these business dealings with russia, those could be disclosed with tax returnses but they refuse to do them. americans need to worry about whether donald trump will be watching out for america's bottom line or russia's bottom line. >> senator what, went wrong with the russian reset? >> vladimir putin. vladimir putin was a dictator. >> what would you do differently? >> vladimir putin is a dictator. he's not a leader.
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doesn't know russian history and doesn't know vladimir putin. hillary clinton knows who he is. tom mccain said i look at this guy and see k.g.b. we do have to deal are russia in a lot of different ways. there are areas we can cooperate. so it was hillary clinton who worked with russia on the new start treat tow reduce nuclear stockpiles. it was hillary clinton who worked with roork to get them engaged in a community of weapons program without firing a shot. she's not going around praising vladimir putin as a great guy but she's knows how to sit down at a table and negotiate tough deals. we ought to have a commander in chief and is prepared and has done it rather than somebody who goes around praising vladimir putin as a great leader. >> i would like to ask about north korea, iran, and the threat of nuclear weapons. north korea recently cubted its
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test. what specific steps would you take to prevent north korea from developing a nuclear armed missile capable of reaching the united states? governor pence. >> well, first, we-- we need to-- we need to make a commitment to rebuild our military, including modernizing our nuclear forces. and we also need-- we also need an effective american diplomacy that will marshal the resources of nations in the asian pacific rim to put prosch north on kim jong-un, to ambassador his nuclear ambitions. it has to remain the policy of the united states of america the, the denuclearization of the korean peninsula, plain and simple. and when donald trump is president of the united states, we are-- we are-- we're not going to have the kind of posture in the world that has russia invading crimea and ukraine, that has the chinese building new islands in the south china sea. that has the world, including
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power. we're going to go back to the days of peace through strength. but i have to-- i have to tell that you-- all this talk about tax returns and i get it you know, you want to keep bringing that up, it must gone well with some focus group. hillary clinton and her husband set up a private foundation called the clinton foundation. while she was secretary of state the clinton foundation send tens of millions of, accepted tens of millions of dollars from foreign governments and foreign donors. now you all need to know out there-- this is basic stuff-- foreign donors and certainly foreign governments cannot participate in the american political process. they cannot make financial contributions. but the clintons figureud out a way to create a foundation where foreign governments and foreign donors would of cowed donate millions of dollars. and then we found-- thanks to the good work of the associated press-- that more than half of ther private meetings when she was secretary of state were
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clinton foundation. you talk about all these-- all these baseless rumors about russia and the rest. hillary clinton, you asked the trust worthy question at the vr beginning. the reason-- >> governor, your two minutes are up. >> the reason people don't trust hillary clinton is they're look at the pay-to-play operations while secretary of state-- >> governor, please, your two minutes are up. >> i'm going to talk about the foundation, and then i'll talk about north korea. so on the foundation, i am glad the clinton foundation is one of the highest rated charities in the world. it provides aids drugs to about 11.5 million people. it helps americans deal with opioid overdoses. it gets higher rankings for its charity than the american red cross does. the clinton foundation does an awful lot of good work. hillary clinton, as secretary of state, took no action to benefit the foundation. the state department did an investigation, and they
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hillary clinton did as secretary of state was completely in the terrorist united states. so the foundation doesed any work, and hillary clinton, as secretary of state, acted in the interest of the united states. let's compare this with the trump organization and foundation. the trump organization is an octopus-like organization with tentacles all over the world, whose conflict of interest could only be known if donald trump would release his tax returns. he's refused to do it. his sons have said that organization has a lot of business dealings in russia. and remember the trump organization is not a nonprofit. it's putting money into donald trump's pockets and into the pockets of his children. whereas, the clinton foundation is a nonprofit and no clinton family member draws any salary. >> the trump foundation is a nonprofit. >> in addition, donald trump has a foundation. the foundation was just fined for illegally contributing foundation dollars to a political campaign of a florida attorney general.
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contribution, and then they tried to mied it by disguising it as somebody else, and the person they donated to was somebody whose office of charged with investigating trump university. this is the difference between a foundation that does good work and a secretary of state who acted in accord with american interests, and somebody who is conflicted and doing work around the world and won't share with the american public what he's doing and what those conflicts are. >> governor, i will give you 30 seconds to respond, but i know you want to. about north korea. ( laughter ) >> thank you, thank you. >> the trump foundation is a private family they give virtually every cent in the trump foundation to charitable causes. >> political contributions. >> less than 10 cents on the dollar in the clinton foundation has gone to-- >> $20,000 portrait of donald trump. >> >> it has been a platform for
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but, honestly, senator, we would know a lot more about it if hillary clinton would turn over the 33,000 e-mails-- >> all right, let's turn back to north korea. if you had intelligence-- senator kaine, if you had intelligence that north korea was about to launch a missile, a nuclear armed missile, capable of reaching the united states, would you take preemptive action? >> if we-- look, a president should take action to defend the en threat. you have to. a president has to do that. now, exactly what action, you would have to determine what your intelligence was, how certain you were of that intelligence, but you would have to take action. you asked a question about how do we deal with north korea? i'm on the foreign relations committee. we just did an extensive sanctions package against north korea. and interestingly enough, elaine, the u.n. followed and did virtually the same package. often china will use their veto
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starting to get worried about north korea, too, so they actually supported the sanctions package, even though many of the sanctions are against chinese firms, chinese financial institutions. so we're working together with china, and we need to. china is another one of those relationships where it's competitive. it's also challenging. and in times like north korea, we have to be able to cooperate. hillary understands that veryv well. she went once famously to china stood up at a human rights meetin a eye and say women's rights are human rights. they didn't want her to say that, but she did. and she's worked on a lot of important diplomatic deals with china and that is what it's going to take. the thing i would worry about, is donald trump owes about $650 million to banks, including the banks of china. i'm not so sure he could stand up to the people who he owes money. >> now i'd like to focus on social issues.
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the role faith has played in your lives. can you discuss, in detail air, time when you struggled to balance your personal faict and a public policy position. senator kaine. >> yeah, that's an easy one for me, elaine. it's an easy one. i'm really fortunate, i grew up in a wonderful household with great irish catholic parents. my mom and dad are sitting right here. i was educated by jez wits at high school in kansas city-- my reunion is honduras and they were the heroes of my life. i try to practice my religion in a very devout way and follow the teachings of my church in the my personal life. but i don't agree with the first amendment where we don't raise and religion over another, and that the docket rins of any one religion should be mandated for everyone. for me the hardest struggle in
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penalty, and so am i. but i was governor of a state, and the state law said there was a death penalty for a crime if the jury determined them to be heinous. and i had to grap welthat. when i was running for governor i was attacked pretty strongly because of my position on the death penalty. but i looked the voters of virginia in the eye and said, look, this is my religious. i'm not going to change my religious practice to get one vote but i know how to take a vote and uphold the law law. i was elected and i did. it was very, very difficult to allow executions to go home, but in circumstances where i didn't feel there was a case for clemency, i told virginia voters i would uphold the law and i did. that was a real struggle. but i think it's really, really important that those of us who have deep faith lives don't feel we can substitute our own views for everybody else in society, regardless of their views. >> governor pence.
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question, and my christian faith is at the very heart of who i am. i was also raised in a wonderful family of faith. it was church on sunday morning and grace before dinner. but my christian faith became real for me when i made a personal decision for christ when i was a freshman in college. and i have tried to live that out, javier imperfectly, every day of my life since, and with my wife at my side, we where we've tried to-- we've tried to keep fact with value that we cherished. with regard to when i struggle, i-- i appreciate and-- and i have a great deal of respect for senator kaine's sincere faith, i truly do. >> that's shared. >> but for me, i would tell that you for me the sanctity of life.
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ancient principle, that where god says before you remember formed in the womb, i knew you. so for my first time in public life i sought to stand with great compassion for the sanctity of life. the state of indiana has also sought to make sure we expand alternatives in health care counseling for women, non-abortion alternatives. i'm also very pleased we're well on the way in indiana to become america. i think if you're going to be prolife and you should be proadoption. what i can't of can't understand is hillary clinton and now tim kaine at her side, to support partial birth abortion-- i know, senator kaine, you hold prolife views personally, but the idea that a child almost born in the world could still have their
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about a party that supports that. or-- i know you have historically opposed taxpayer funding of abortion-- but hillary clinton wants to repeal the long-standing provision in the law where we said we wouldn't use taxpayer dollars to fund abortion. so for me, my faith informs my life. i try and spend a little time on my knees every day. but it all for me begins with cherish, the dignity, the worth, the value of every human life. question, a fundamental question. hillary and i are both people out of religious backgrounds. her methodist church experience was really informative for her as a public servant, but we really feel you should live fully and with enthusiasm the commands of your faith, but it is not the role of a public servant to mandate that for everybody else. so let's talk about abortion and choice. let's talk about that.
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we support the right of american women, to consult their own conscience, their own support of partner, their own minister, but then make their own decision about pregnancy. we trust american women to do that. and we don't think that women should be punished, as donald trump said they should, for making the decision to have an abortion. governor pence wants to repe "roe vs wade" he wants to put it on the ash heap of history. we have young people in the audience who weren't born before the decision. before "roe vs wade" the state could punish women if they took the stops terminate a pregnancy. i think you should live your moral values, but the very last thing the government should do is have laws that would punish
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clinton-kaine ticket and a trump-pence ticket that want wao punish women who make that choice. >> it's really not. donald trump and i would never support legislation that punished women who made the heartbreaking chowz to end a pregnancy. >> thisien did donald trump say that? >> we just never would. >> why did he say that? >> look, hesion not a pol. >>ed politician like you and hillary clinton, so-- >> i admit, that's not a pol. >>e fopsle-- from the fullness of the heart, the mouth speaks. when donald trump says women should be punished or mexicans are rapists or criminals or john mccain is not a hero, he is showing you who he is. >> senator, you whipped out that mexican thing again. he, look-- >> you can defend it? >> there are criminal aliens in this country, tim, who have come into this country illegally--
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brush against mexicans. >> he also said, "many of them are good people." you keep leaving it that out of your quote. if you want me to go there, i will go there. there is a choice here, and it is a choice on life. i couldn't be more proud to be standing with donald trump who is standing for the right to life. it's a prens pel that senator kaine-- and i'm very gentle about this because i really do respect you-- it's a principle that you embrace, and i have appreciated the fact that you've supported the hyde amendment which bans the use of taxpayer funding for abortion in the past, but that's not hillary clinton's view. people need to understand. we can come together as a nation. we can create a culture of life. more and more young people today are embracing life because we know we are-- we're better for it. we can-- like mother teresa said at that famous national prayer breakfast-- let's woman the children into our world per there are so many families around the country who can't
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if we could improve options so families who can't have children would adopt more readily. >> governor, why don't you trust women to make this choice for themselveses? we can encourage people to support life. of course we can. but why don't you trust women? why doesn't donald trump trust women to make this choice for themselves? that's what we ought to be doing in public life. living our lives of faith or motivation with enthusiasm and excitement, convincing each other, dialoguing with each issues of the day, but on fundamental issues of morality, we should let women make their own decisions. >> because a society can be judged by how it deals with its most vulnerable-- the aged, the infirm, the disabled, and the unborn. i believe it with all my heart. and i couldn't be more proud to be standing with a prolife candidate in donald trump. >> i do have one final question for you both tonight. it has been a divisive campaign. senator kaine, if your ticket
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and reassure the people who voted against you? >> that's a really important one. that may be the $64,000 question. bought because it has been a divisive campaign. and, again, hillary is running a campaign about stronger together, and donald trump-- and this is-- this is not directed at this man, except to the extent that he can't defend donald trump-- donald trump has run a campaign that's been about one insult after the next. but we do have to bring country together. so here's what we'll do. hillary then senator for eight years, and secretary of state, and i serve in the senate. and i'm really amazed, elaine, as i talk to republican senators, how well they regard and respect hillary clinton. she was on the armedded services can commi committees. she was worked across the ail when she was first lady to get the chp program passed so eight million low-income kids have health insurance in this country. she worked across the aisle
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benefits for first responders who bravely went into the towers. she worked for tricare benefits for national guard members, including hoosiers in indiana. she has a track record of working across the aisle to make things happen. you know, elaine, i have the same track record. i was the governor of virginia with two republican houses. in the senate, i have good working relationships across the aisle. i think it's fine toor a democrat or republican or independent, but after election and hillary clinton has a track record of accomplishment across the aisle that will enable her to do just that when we work with the new congress in january. >> governor, how will you unify the country if you win? >> well, thank you, elaine, and thanks for a great discussion. >> absolutely. >> tonight. thank you, senator. this is a very challenging time in our nation. weakened america's place in the world, after the leadership of
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followed by an economy that is struggling, stifled by an avalanche of more taxes, more regulation, obamad care, the war on coal, and the kind of trade deals that put american workers in the back seat. and i think the best way we can bring people together is through dmng washington, d.c. you know, i served in washington, d.c. for 12 years, in the congress of the united states. and i served with many republicans and and women of good will. the potential is there to really change the direction of this country, but it's going to take leadership to do it. the american people want to see our nation standing tall on the world stage again. they want to see us supporting our military, rebuilding our military, commanding the respect of the world. and they want to see the american economy off to the races again. they want to see an american comeback. and donald trump's entire career
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through hardship, just like a businessperson does, and finding a way through smart and ingenuity and resilience and fight through it. when crump becomes president of the united states, we have a stronger america. when you hear him say he wants to make america great again, when we do that, i truly believe what the american people will be standing taller. they will see real change can happen after decades of talking about it. stand together, and we'll have the kind of unity that's been missing for way too long. >> all right, gentlemen, thank you so much. this concluding the vice presidential debate. my thanks to the candidates, the commission, and to you for watching. please tune in this sunday for the second presidential debate at washington university in st. louis. and the final debate on october 19 at the university of nevada las vegas. from farmville, virginia, i'm elaine quijano of cbs news.
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>> pelley: the vice presidential candidates in their own debate, an argument of insults more than ideas. precious few of the 90 minutes were spent on plans for america's future. the split screen seemed like a kitchen faucet-- hot on the left, cold on the right. senator kaine of virginia interrupting often. governor pence of indiana, the more deliberate of the two. but we didn't learn much either man or how either views the duties of vice president. each acting primarily as an avatar for their running mate. now, we have a group of voters in ohio who watched the debate live tonight, and we're going to be hearing from them in just a moment. but first, we're going to go to john dickerson, the anchor of "face the nation." john, governor pence had the bigger task tonight to stop the bleeding in the polls from a bad week of donald trump's
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>> well, he-- he might have, scott. i mean, as you pointed out, it was a bicker-fest tonight, and tim kaine from the word "go" was interrupting and kept interrupting all night. he seemed insistent on getting across the bad news about donald trump. he repeatedly tried to get mike pence to defend donald trump, and often governor pence resisted that temptation. he was, unlike donald trump in the last debate, mike pence was the bait. in many instans he just let tim kaine keep the question is at the end of the night danybody learn anything new about donald trump. mike pence may have done very well for himself. it's unclear what the condition collusion will be about the ticket itself and donald trump. in other words, can he transfer the success he may have had to donald trump as they debated everything from who could
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against vladimir putin whereas crump, of course, has said more favorable things about him. >> pelley: i just want to get your comments about a moment in the debate that happened a little while ago. let's have a look. >> he says ours is an insult-driven campaign. did you all just hear that? ours is an insult-driven campaign. i mean, to be honest with you, if donald trump had said all the things that you said he said and the way you said he said them, he still wouldn't fraction of the insults that hillary clinton leveled when she said that half of our supporters were a basket of deplorables. it's-- she said they were irredeemable. they were not america. i mean, it's extraordinary-- >> look for donald trump apologizing to john mccain for saying he wasn't a hero. did donald trump apologize for calling women slobz, pigs, dogs, disgusting-- >> governor, his his two minute,
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for taking after somebody in a twitter war and making fun of her weight? did he apologize for saying african americans are living in hell? did he apologize for saying baracpresident obama was not eva citizen of the united states? you will look in vain to see donald trump ever taking responsibility for anybody and apologizing. >> pelley: well, john, we talked about this being the kitchen faucet debate. it seemed like the sink was pretty backed up, too. >> yeah, the sink, if they weren't throwing at each other. debate. it ended on a serious, substantive conversation about faith and abortion it that was perhaps a model of how debates could go. that was just a few minute. the majority of this debate was very much like, that a lot of bickering and interrupting. and anybody trying to figure out where these candidates stand would have had a tough time sifting through the thicket of back-and-forth like that. >> pelley: john, stick with us for just a moment. we're going to republican
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25 voters who watched the debate from the cleveland convention center. frank. >> this is an important group because ohio is one of the most important states in the country, and everybody sitting behind me is either undecide or uncommitted to the candidate they support. i want to you watch this. how many of you thought donald trump won the first debate? raise your hands. one of you. how many of thought mike pence won tonight? raise your hands. almost all of you that's correct remarkable. give me a word or phrase on describe mike pence. >> calm. >> effective. >> knockout, compelling. >> composed. >> eloquent. >> so what is it about mike pence that you didn't get from donald trump? and does this really matter? >> he appealed emotionally to a lot of undecided voters tho whoare just tuning in. >> for you, what did he do for jew i just needed to somebody calm and measured and capable, and he totally gave me that.
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personalized it and took it one step further with more detail while kaine used talking points and reverted back to stuff that didn't answer the question. >> you all were critical of kaine. he used donald trump's own words. >> they weren't policy. they were what he said about mexicans or whatever. and pence focused on, okay, we're talking about immigration here. you can call mexicans that, but he talked about the policy actually. >> pence didn't do a lot to actually defend t the platform very well. >> and you thought that was effective. >> very effective. >> kaine cherry picked things that made trump sound like a crazy person, and kaine came off looking like a crazy person. >> but you still thought kaine won, tell me why? >> i thought kaine won because kaine focused on the issues that mattered to the inner city and the people. like the stop and frisk, you know, all this other outsider of
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plus kaine focused on trump's relationship with vladimir putin and russia. >> go ahead, any ahead. >> kaine came off as a jerk. i actually like that guy, and i was disappointed in him this time. he kept going back to try to needelt little points, a total jerk, condescending. i think he reinforced the worst of hillary. i think he really did her a disservice. >> before we went on the air, you were very uncomfortable with donald trump. did mike pence move you in any way? >> a taid. i like him when he stuck to his issues, but when he gets to his religion, that's when he loses me. >> here's the question, is this going to change any of your opinions? are any of you more likely to vote for donald trump because of what you heard from mike pence? raise your hands. two, four, six, eight, 10-- so half of you. will it actually change any of your vote? nobody. well, that's pretty significant. what we found tonight is that
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most impact by far, but anyone, last shot, anyone change your mind because of what you saw this evening? >> i need to see more. >> right. >> remember, these are undecided, uncommitted voters in ohio. they're the ones that really matter. and tonight was a very good night for the trump-pence ticket. >> pelley: frank luntz, for us. thank you, and thank you to the voters in ohio. we'll have fact schieffer as cbs news coverage of the 2016 vice presidential debate continues in just a moment. >> he's got kind of a personal mount rushmore-- vladimir putin, jim young un, momarr gaddafi. >> did you work on that a long time because that had a lot of
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president of the united states, the russians and other countries in the world will know they're dealing with a strong american president. >> the thought of donald trump as commander in chief scares us to death. >> pelley: back now with cbs news coverage of the vice presidential debate. let's go to our campaign 2016 correspondents.en first, nancy cordes, who is covering the clinton campaign. nancy. >> reporter: well, scott, it was clear that tim kaine came here t over-riding goal, and that was to try to force mike pence to defend donald trump on any number of issues. so over and over again, he would say, "i can't believe that you could defend donald trump saying "x," "y," "z," about mexican immigrants, about nuclear proliferation, about women, about putin." and the challenging thing for tim kaine is that, again and again, mike pence wouldn't defend him, but he wouldn't disavow him either.
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he said that the comment hadn't happened the way that kaine described. so it left kaine, i think, by the end of the debate, a bit at loose ends. he eventually said i have called on you six different times to defend your running mate. you're the asking the american people to vote for him, yet you can't defend himself yourself. at which point pence said you're just insulting him and, you know, you're exaggerating both his record and his comments. so the point here determined to make was a pretty challenging one because he and pence, at some point, seemed to be speaking two different languages with two different sets of facts. >> pelley: nancy cordes, thanks. we're continuing to watch the vice presidential candidates speaking to the crowd there at the university in virginia. as they are making their way out of the room. major garrett has been covering
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>> scott, i can tell you, those in the trump inner circle found in governor pence's performance two virtues that landed him on the ticket in the first place-- an unflappable nature, calm kemiddle eastern and willingness and ability to prepare on policy and defend trump when the chips were down. and it is on that calm demeanor and preparation on policy, i will tell you, scott, some in the trump inner circle hopes rubs off on the republican nominee in time for debate number two on sunday. and thin also thought pence was particularly effective dealing with a couple of issues-- foreign policy and the questions about civil rights and criminal justice in this country. they thought he was particularly effective dealing with that issue against tim kaine, and, also, one thing that's been injected in the late part of the debate, is kelly anne conway, trump's campaign manager, accused senator kaine of being sexist for repeatedly interrupting and ignore our
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debate's moderator. >> pelley: well, elaine certainly had her hands full with these two but did a terrific job keeping the debate on track. major garrett, thank you very much. and we're still watching the candidates, greeting well-wishers there in the debate hall. there were a lot of accusations flying back and fosht about who was playing fast and loose with the facting. well, it turns out both of them were, and our julianna goldman has been fact checking the candidate positive. >> reporter: scott, we took a closer look at made about hillary clinton and donald trump, specifically on nuclear weapons over the course of the debate, kaine said a number of times that as secretary of state, clinton worked to eliminate iran's nuclear weapons program. let's listen to one of those times. >> she worked a deal with the russians to reduce their chemical weapons stockpile. she worked a tough negotiation with nations around the world to eliminate the iranian nuclear
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>> eliminate the iran nuclear weapons program. >> absolutely. without fire a shot. and instead of 175,000 american troops deployed overseas, we now have 15,000. >> the iran nuclear deal, scott, just freezes iran's nuclear program. it does not eliminate it. now, there was also disagreement over whether trump has said that saudi arabia, japan, and south korea should have nuclear weapons. >> donald trump believes that the world will be safer if more he said saudi arabia should get them, japan should get them, korea should get them. when he was confronted with this and told, wait a minute, terrorists could get those. proliferation could lead to nuclear war, here's what donald trump said, and i quote, go ahead, folks. enjoy yourselves. i'd love to hear governor pence tell me what's so enjoyable or comical about nuclear war. >> this does appear to be true. during a town hall trump
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japan protects itself" against a nuclear north korea. and whether pressed on whether south korea and saudi arabia should have nuclear weapons, he said they will get them. it is only a matter of time. >> pelley: let's bring john dickerson and bob schieffer into the conversation. bob, you know, elaine quijano did a great job as the moderator, but it seemed at times, the debate commission should have equipped her with a whip and a chair. >> i t magnificent job. i've been there. i've done that. it's not as easy as it looks, and i thought elaine came through and made all of us proud. i'm speaking, obviously, biased. but i thought she did a great job. but, you know, this was a vice presidential debate. and if ever there has been a campaign about the two people at the top of the ticket, it is this campaign. this year, more so than maybe
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they both tried to explain the guys at the top of the ticket, but in the end, it's about the guys at the top of the ticket. i don't think anything was settled here tonight. but this really sets the table for what's going to happen sunday night had we have the next presidential debate. >> pelley: and john dickerson, what struck you at the end of the evening? >> well, i think-- going to bob's point, tim kaine seemed so focused on that larger campaign that's going on, pressing the case repeatedly, constantly, basically losing on style points. there's no question, in terms of demeanor and behavior and the constant interruptions trying to press governor pence to, you know, stand up for his-- for his running mate. there were a number of times that governor pence said that donald trump didn't say thingsng that donald trump did say, and in the fact checking, we know these debates they go on for several days after they've actually happened. and it was just so clear that the strategy from tim kaine was keeping it all about donald
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style in the moment, they might win on the longer debate that goes on after the debate is over. >> i think the deep divide in this country is what was underlined tonight in this can debate. i mean, if you're pro-choice, you can pick your champion tonight. if you are not for choice, you know where the other side stands on this. and i did not see either candidate, it seems to me, broaden the appeal of their candidate. this is going to be decided later, not tonight. >> pelley: bob schieffer, john dickerson, thank you, and we'll be right back. it was an idea. a wild "what-if." so scientists went to work. they examined 87 different protein structures and worked for 12 long years. there were thousands of patient volunteers
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vice presidency. rockefeller said he never wanted to be vice president of anything. garner said it wasn't worth a warm bucket of spit. and marshall said the vice president was like a man in a catalytic state-- perfectly conscious of what goes on but has no part in it. here's why the office matters -- death or resignation has propelled nine vice presidents to the presidency. nothing, but i may be everything." next sunday evening here on cbs, hillary clinton and donald trump meet in st. louis for the second of their three debates. this one town meeting format. we'll have that and the rest of the news for you on cbs
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breaking right now, a suspected gunman arrested following a shootout with boston police. a deadly hurricane making landfall for the second time. the new track just into the wbz weather center. soccer player suspended r police chief's home. breaking now at 11, police capture a gunman on the loose after a shootout with officers in boston. the s.w.a.t. team moved in and police searched house by house for the suspect. i'm lisa hughes. >> i'm david wade. he is the second man under arrest following the gunfight, let's get to louisa moller in roslindale with the latest. >> reporter: eric rosado


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