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right now at 11:00, snowfall early this morning throughout the area. nbc 10 caught the flakes flying. we are seeing a break from the frigid temperatures. still very cold conditions for skiers in the poconos. a live look at camelback in tannersville pa. glenn "hurricane" schwartz is here with the forecast. a little warmer but still cold enough to make snow. >> yeah and cold enough to make you feel cold because the wind is up there. and it's going to continue to gust during the day. the snow is gone. we're starting to see some breaks in the clouds getting thinner by the minute. so we're going to be seeing sunshine this afternoon.
it's 30 degrees. the windchill is 19. of course yesterday it was five below zero. and now, you can see that the windchills are already just in the 20s. that's quite a change. over the last six hours, we have seen this band of snow with an arctic front coming through. just about everybody got to see at least some flakes. but it's definitely gone here in the last radar picture. not showing much of anything. we're not expecting any more snow during the day. it's going to be windy. the temperature is not going to be going up very much. tonight, it's going to be falling quickly. we have another bitter blast on the way that's going to affect us tomorrow. we also have some icy precipitation in the seven-day. that's coming up in a few minutes. interstate 78 is now reopened in northampton county following a fatal accident this morning. a van and a tractor-trailer collided.
the coroner confirms that the person in the van died. the road was closed for hours. just reopened about 30 minutes ago. police are looking to see if snowfall was a factor in the accident. the outdoors are not a comfortable place to be. temperatures are not as low as this -- this morning. but it feels cold thanks to the winds. monique braxton is live in montgomery county to show us how people are coping with the cold. >> reporter: in the past couple of hours we have gone from snow to sunshine. we found some folks taking a break in the winter weather and looking for de-icers. >> i run out from last year and didn't prepare. here i am. >> reporter: gail says she's stocking up on salt. we tagged along and were with her when she learned calcium is the best defense when battling ice and snow. though it may cost a few bucks more. does it have staying power?
next week when we have three to four days of snow? >> as long as you keep the bag dry and spread a small amount. >> reporter: there's another reason that made her come here to purchase calcium. >> i think it's better for the steps. >> reporter: tell me what you mean. >> i don't want the salt to eat my steps. >> reporter: we found out that calcium is pet friendly. it doesn't stain. but it's going to cost you twice as much. monique braxton, nbc 10 news. a scare forced some people out into the cold in west philadelphia. this happened at 46th and spruce streets. authorities evacuated people and they blamed a malfunctioning heater for the problem. with the cold and more winter weather on the way, make sure you download the nbc 10 news app. get updated forecasts, traffic alerts and weather-related news
any time you want it. if you don't have it you can download the app for the -- good morning. 11:00 a.m. on the east coast. 8:00 in the west. we are following a developing situation in france as we speak where two brothers suspected in wednesday's terror attack at a paris newspaper are in that building. our reporter on the scene is reporting hearing gunfire. other witnesses saying there have been explosions inside. this may be coming to a head. separately, a man holding hostages inside a grocery store inside paris on the eastern edge of the city. let's go to nbc's correspondent outside the printing press factory and hearing some of this as it's going down. good morning. tell us what you are hearing and seeing. >> reporter: good morning. within the last few minutes we suddenly heard the sound of gunfire, first of all. then a lot of police cars and
ambulances began to move towards the center of this town. colleagues have reported hearing explosions probably stun grenades. smoke is rising from the industrial area. there's a helicopter overhead now. it looks like the siege -- the helicopter is going over my head now. it looks like the siege is coming to a rapid end. to remind you, in this printing press are the two brothers believed to be responsible for the massacre at the magazine in paris. they were supposedly holding one hostage. this is one situation. 20 miles from here in paris is the second siege situation. this is unprecedented where a gunman in full combat gear is holding up to five hostages at a jewish supermarket. there were reports two people there were dead. that hasn't been confirmed by french police.
clearly here the siege of the two brothers who were responsible or thought to be responsible for the massacre, things are clearly coming to a head. we have gunfire, explosions smoke and helicopters overhead. >> these are extraordinary moments in france. as we understood it the brothers accused in the massacre at that magazine in paris know the person who is accused of holding a hostage, those people in the grocery market. in fact there was a report from police sources to the associated press that the hostage taker at the supermarket had threatened to kill his five hostages if authorities at the factory behind you moved in a siege to try to take control of that situation. >> reporter: that's right. obviously, a very difficult moral dilemma for the police. as soon as that man, that gunman
issued that threat you know it would have ratcheted up the levels of concern. they would have thought it probably better to go in first and simply wait for a long siege. nbc news has talked to the founder of france's anti-terror force. he said that the s.w.a.t. teams and anti-terror police would not storm that building unless a hostage had been killed and unless negotiations broke down. we know they have a hostage. we don't believe he was killed. they may have made the calculation that since the hostage -- since the two gunmen the two brothers here said they wanted to die as martyrs, that it was probably a case of no negotiations were possible. therefore, they gave the all clear to go in. we don't know that at the minute. clearly, within last few minutes, they have moved forward. they have been explosions, gunfire, smoke. we don't know whether they have entered the building or any more about it. this is a rapidly developing
situation. >> not far from you as you mentioned another rapidly developing situation inside the grocery store on a busy friday morning before dinner. supposedly full of people and this person who police say has walked in and apparently held these people hostage. this is the suspect who police believe may also be responsible for the killing of a police woman somewhere else in paris on thursday. as you can see if you are just joining us there are a lot of moving pieces to this story. we have two active scenes two standoffs going on. one concerns the two brothers accused in the massacre at the paris newspaper on wednesday. as our reporter has been telling us this morning, something is happening inside the factory where the two brothers were holding one hostage. we have heard gunfire, reports of explosions. schools in the area have been evacuated order locked down. a very troubling situation
there. not far from there on the eastern edge of paris itself we have this scene at grocery store where a gunman is holding at least five hostages. i should mention that factory scene is very close, about ten miles, from paris' international airport. for a time a couple of runways were shut down as a precautionary measure. bill, what are you hearing? >> reporter: you can probably hear behind me more police vehicles going past. police believe that two sets of gunmen are linked that they were part of a terror cell in paris ten years ago. they tried to recruit people to go to iraq to fight american troops. another ambulance just passing me now. and this is if you like the reawakening of a terror cell. these people were fringe players ten years ago. and they have now matures, if
you like into assassins. clearly, here lots of activity ambulances, police vehicles going forward here. this siege appears to be being brought to a head. it's end game here. there is no indication that at the supermarket closer in to central paris that there is any movement there. clearly, these two sets of gunmen are related. forgotten in all of this was the incident yesterday in which the man who is now believed to be the gunman at the jewish supermarket shot and killed a french police woman after the horror of the charlie hebdo massacre. that was also forgotten. police initially said that that had nothing to do with terrorism, that that was some kind of criminal act. now we know differently. it's quite clear that all these gunmen were known to french anti-terror police. no signs within last few
minutes. it was about ten minutes ago that we heard a burst of automatic gunfire and then colleagues of mine heard some explosions and saw smoke in the distance. clearly, we are into the end game here. >> bill, we're putting an image on the scene. you may or may not be able to see it. it comes from twitter. reportedly is the aftermath of an explosion at the printing press. it's a small factory. it's a family-owned business. the owners of this printing press were inside. there was at least one hostage. just in the last few moments, we have been hearing gunfire, seeing smoke, hearing explosions. you can hear the police sirens. something is clearly happening and somehow coming to some kind of conclusion at that screen in the factory outside of paris while at the kosher grocery market on the eastern edge of time, we have an active scene there as well with a gunman taken after the least five hostages there. i should mention that the french
president has said that in the previous weeks that there had been several plots that they believed they had stopped, they had thwarted. and then this happened wednesday at the satirical magazine's offices. so much happening in that country right now. an extraordinary day. the worst terror attack in france in at least 50 years. at least for part of the morning, bill these suspects apparently were on the phone with some french officials. as you mentioned, said they were ready to die as martyrs. >> reporter: yes, that's right. let's take it back. it was about ten past 8:00 this morning local time that these men were seen hijacking a car. she saw not only guns but she saw one of them with a rocket-propelled grenade. within some kind of chase some kind of shootout. the men took refuge in the industrial area to my left. then the siege began, dozens and
hundreds of anti-terror police and s.w.a.t. police descended on the area and surrounded it. then a hostage negotiator made contact, ringing the printing works where the men were. a local lawmaker said they told police, we want to die as martyrs. there was another extraordinary moment when a salesman turned the door of the factory, shook hands with a man he believed to be a policeman who he realized was one of the gunmen. the gunman told him, go away. we don't kill civilians. he did just that and left. and then later realized that this was one of the gunmen. something as i said is clearly going on. seven hours after they first took refuge in this factory. it would seem to be the police storming the factory itself.
whether they have entered, whether they have killed or captured the gunmen we simply don't know. this is unfolding as i speak. >> i know you will continue to watch it. jump in if you hear anything you have something to report. i want to turn pete williams. pete, as you follow this story from washington, i know you have been talking to your sources about these individuals who were well-known and had gone to yemen and had gotten training from al qaeda, which is one of the most dangerous and active branchs in the world. >> i think intelligence officials are trying to figure out what exactly was happening in paris earlier this week, whether it was directed by what has come to be known as aqap i'll can a whether it was inspired by it what the connection is. they don't know. the two brothers that were involved in the newspaper attack
have a long history with french law enforcement. the younger of the two was arrested in 2003 and convicted of being part of a cell in paris that was trying to recruit people to go to iraq to engage in jihad against american forces. then the brothers were also involved in a second attempt to try to free some french prisoners. they have a connection with law enforcement. at the same time authorities say, they believe that the two people involved in a second hostage standoff in france at a kosher supermarket were part of the same original cell -- >> pete while you are on that we are showing the picture of the market. we are getting reports of gunfire and explosions being heard there as well. we're in the situation where we have these two standoffs occurring and now we're hearing about a siege, what sounds to be a siege, gunfire, explosions in both of those locations.
as you were just saying, pete as it turns out the brothers responsible for the attack on the magazine and this suspect in the grocery store knew each other and appear to have come from the same group of jihadis in the area. >> the person who staged the hostage taking here at the kosher supermarket -- it may well be that the hostage standoff involving the two brothers is simply their last refuge. they took it happenstance. but the authorities suspect that the fact that it's a kosher supermarket that was the second standoff site that you are looking at right now, they believe that seems more planned. the target being a jewish target. thess originally according to the trial and the
judge who prosecuted him at the time, the younger brother was said to be anti-semitic and he originally told authorities that he wanted to engage in attacks on jewish targets in france but was persuaded to try to go to iraq. so there is they believe, a connection between these two hostage standoffs and between the now four people involved -- or at least three people involved and a found person, a woman who is said to be a co-conspirator and associate. the authorities earlier today released the pictures of those other two and said they were wanted in connection with the attack. there they are. >> and the woman on the right is supposed to be the person inside the grocery store is believed by police to have possibly been the person who gunned down a police woman in paris yesterday. another piece of this. pete, as i understand it we know according to french officials, that these
individuals are connected in the sense that they know each other. what we don't know is whether or not this has been operationally connected. in other words, whether this grocery store hit was somehow planned in tandem with the brothers and what's happening with their situation over at the printing press factory outside of paris. >> absolutely right. that's been a key question. was this planned all along? or did this second scene that we're looking at now, did they decide to act after they saw the first attack at the newspaper on wednesday? the people i talked to said they don't know the answer to that. >> i think i have the former senior fbi official who has been involved in operations like this. i have to say what we're seeing in france today is clearly unprecedented. we hear the gunfire. we hear word of explosions going on and both of these locations. what do you make of it? >> it would appear based on the gunfire, the explosions, that they would have launched simultaneous rescue operations
to try to free the hostages and capture the terrorists. based on the fact that they're both happening at the same time it's likely that this was given the order to execute. we don't know why at this point it was. maybe there was some intelligence that was gained. remember, there's a lot of things going on behind the warrants searching of e-mail. maybe they found a manifesto which might show that negotiations are going to do nothing but prolong the inevitable. let's take action now and hopefully, we'll see what the outcome is and no more loss of life. >> stand by with me if you would. we are looking at video from outside the grocery store. our producer is there. good morning to you. can you tell us what you are seeing and hearing? >> yes. about five minutes ago we heard a series of explosions followed by a hail of gunfire.
the police who are minding this shuffled everyone back around corners. i'm standing next to a police officer now with his sidearm drawn holding it in his hand. they told me to leave the windows. they have told people looking out of the windows, they told them to close windows and get away. it has been quiet ever since this. but the police are very tense. very tense moment here right now. several police officers around the scene with automatic weapons. like i said it has been quiet since then. but it appears that something has happened in this hostage scene. also, there were reports earlier that the gunman had said if they stormed the building he would shoot his hostages. but it's unclear what just occurred. however, it's clear that something is under way or possibly over now. >> i wonder if you can clarify something for us. we know there is at least one gunman in the store right now.
as you also know the french authorities released two pictures, one of the suspect and then a female suspect. it was unclear if that female suspect was thought to be inside the grocery store. is it just one assailant there, two? do you have any information about that? >> i don't. it has been described as one gunman. however, there's been so much information coming out. police have also -- they have been tight lipped about the number of hosthostages. there were reports that two people were killed. we have seen ambulances leaving with sirens on. it's unclear if the gunman is alone or if it is as you say, possibly a pair. >> okay. we will keep an eye on this scene. this is scene one on the east side of paris, a grocery store a gunman inside with hostages. our reporters on the scene saying they have heard gunfire
and explosions. sighmultaneous simultaneously, we have a scene outside of the paris airport where the two brothers suspected in wednesday's massacre at the satirical magazine have been all morning long about seven hours now, saying they want to die as martyrs. holding at least one hostage, having been on the run for the last 48 hours. a complex dragnet that french authorities set out for them over the last 48 hours looking house to house, through the woods, trying to find them. they turned up this morning and were chased inside the printing press where they are surrounded. something is going on in both of those locations. these are individuals who know one another, who have con sorted ed ed with one another. we don't know how much planning and coordination between the two attacks. i want to go back to bill at the scene outside the factory. good morning. bring us up to date.
>> reporter: good morning. there's a helicopter going by me now. we have ambulances and police officers heading for the factory. there are reports by the french news agency that the two brothers, the two gunmen suspected of the massacre at the magazine have been killed in the police storming of this factory. also press are reporting that the hostage that man took has been freed and is in police custody. i'm afraid that's just from one news agency that has not been confirmed by french police or any other authorities. but certainly, from what we heard just a short time ago, i heard a burst of gunfire and then colleagues heard explosions. there are pictures on social media now of flashes around the printing works where the siege was taking place. clearly, we are -- it's probably over. although, i cannot confirm that.
because the press is just one agency. the police have not made an official statement. >> we will stand by for any official word. i want to go to lester holt in paris. he is on the phone. where are you? tell us what you know. >> reporter: we're several blocks from the scene of the hostage taking in paris itself in the eastern edge of paris. we were delayed as we were coming down the street. someone said there were guns and we were surrounded by police officers with guns pointed across yelling. it turned out to be a false alarm at a bank. we talked to people on the street. they are at the breaking point. their nerves are frayed. the streets, there are people on the streets in this area of eastern paris. but traffic getting close to the scene of all this. we are working our way there and trying to get a better picture of what's happening on this end. >> lester stand by. i know you are making your way to the scene. you can imagine how the people of paris feel today. their city under siege for much
of the day. many people being told to shelter in place near the factory where the brothers were there were reports that schools were being evacuated, in some cases students were being read nursery rhymes to calm them. that's the scene at the grocery store on the eastern edge of paris where a gunman walked in, is holding host anlages ago. in the last ten minutes of so reports of gunfire, explosions. separately on the outskirts of paris, that factory, the printing press where the brothers have been. let's go to pete williams working his sources in washington. clearly, the president has been briefed several times. i know your sources are watching this closely as well. >> yes. one of the things in the last couple of days ever since the paris shooting that's been going on virtually around the clock. now with the addition of the two new terror associates that were mentioned and put out in the wanted poster by the paris
police today is whether there's any kind of connection between any of these people and people in the u.s. telephone, e-mail contact, checks at the border. we have been told as recently again as just an hour or so ago that they have found no connection between these people in france and anyone in the u.s. that is one of the reasons, one of the many reasons why the decision has been made not to make any change in the posture of the terror alert level in the u.s. the second reason for that is that they believe that these attacks in paris were directed specifically at parisian targets. there was no known threat to the united states. last night the president convened a telephone conference call on his way back to washington. he talked to officials from the fbi, homeland security the intelligence agencies asking them for the latest whether there was any reason to change the security posture in the u.s.
they all said no, there was no reason to do so. really, the only change we have seen in the united states since all this happened is increased security at french diplomatic compounds. the french government asked for more security at the embassy in washington. there's been increased police presence at the french consulate and the mission at the u.n. and the u.n. in new york. some of the other french consulates half a dozen around the country, have had to increase police patrols. that's the only change in the u.s. >> stand by there. i want to go to richard. i should mention, i'm sure you know, there are multiple outlets of french media reporting that the brothers have been killed something not independently confirmed by nbc news at this hour. we see multiple reports of that. richard, what can you tell us about what you are seeing? >> reporter: i can tell you what i'm seeing and what we are hearing. we are less than one mile from
the industrial park where the brothers were taking refuge holding at least one hostage. a short while ago, perhaps 20 minutes ago, we heard two explosions. they were about five minutes apart. in between the explosions we heard a burst of gunfire. one police officer said that at least ten shots were fired. then we saw a helicopter flying in the sky, a lot of activity. all of this was taking place just as it is getting dark here just as local officials are completing an evacuation of a school that is quite near to this area. is that what we have been able to see. people here are very busy. they are continuing to protect the area. they have not been able to give us any official confirmation. french media, however, is reporting that the brothers have been killed and perhaps also the attacker at the supermarket. >> let me pick up on that. the associated press is citing a
police official saying that the brothers have been killed and the hostage or hostages freed at the location near you. we are waiting to hear what's going on inside the grocery store in the outskirts of paris itself. we are seeing a situation. you see the live picture on the scene right there. heavy police presence. i have the former fbi official with me. you look at what's happening to paris. this is such an extraordinary moment for that city. i think a lot of people are wondering, is this the new flavor of terrorism? is this the thing that people have been worrying about for years? >> sure. especially in paris and in france and other countries in europe where they have seen so many of these foreign fighters want to go and join isis and other groups. we have less of it in the united states. we do a better job of assimilating people into mainstream society. when these people go, they get
trained, they get that mental indoctrination and want to take the fight to their home turf. that's a huge concern for officials. especially given the fact that these guys were with aqap the al qaeda group in yemen. their main focus is to attack the west. we have seen that with their bomb maker that has been trying to perfect a bomb that can be put open airplanes. so aqap is particularly dangerous to the west because that's their focus, to attack the western targets. >> french officials have said that they stopped some plots. but the french have been facing a lot of threats recently because of their involvement with the coalition fighting isis in syria and iraq. there's also an operation under way in mali that the french have been involved with. there's a lot of reason why france has been a target of these jihadists in these recent
weeks, days and months. i want to go to lester holt on the phone with us. >> reporter: we're at the edge of the store here. it may be over but they are still holding people back. ambulances pulled out. police are holding a position here. we wait to find out if this is over on this end. the very eastern edge of paris where the hostage standoff has been going on. we are just watching and trying to get word here. >> okay lester. i'm getting a note from our producer that reuters is reporting the supermarket hostage taker is dead as well. once again that's from the wire service reuters. nbc news working to confirm this independently. as i said our media partners ap reuters, have both reported
that the hostage taker in the supermarket as well as the two brothers accused in the wednesday massacre at the paris newspaper all have been killed this morning. we continue to follow this situation. as i turn to richard outside the scene northeast of paris, near the airport there where the two brothers were inside that building, richard, these are two men who were known to french authorities, in particular the older brother we have learned spent time in yemen around the same time that the american-born cleric was there. a lot of people are wondering if he was inspired by him, whether he was directed by al qaeda. these are questions that authorities will be asking in the coming days. >> reporter: absolutely. i can tell you right now the mood here is already starting to calm down. it does feel like something has happened. there was a lot of activity over the last half hour or so.
you can see in the body language of the counterterrorism officials here the police they are starting to be a little bit more relaxed. i wouldn't say dropping their guard entirely. but it does feel like a moment has passed. now the intelligence piece. what were the connections between all of these militants? who sent them? do they have other operatives in the country or other place snzs? a lot of this is going back to yemen. one of the brothers -- there are sources saying they have been killed in a raid that took place not far from here a short while ago. one of the brothers the older brother, traveled in 2011 to yemen. u.s. officials tell nbc news that he received months of training from the al qaeda affiliates in yemen. one of the most active one of the most aggressive al qaeda divisions in the world that is
seeking to carry out international attack not just in europe but also in the united states. the situation here we are told the school has been evacuated. there are no more buses. buss have been coming in and out bringing children. as that evacuation was just wrapping up -- it's getting darker here. as the evacuation was just about over, the light was starting to change, that's when we heard these explosions. almost simultaneously within minutes, there were reports of the explosions also at the super masht market in paris. >> richard, we will go back to you in a moment. i want to go to bill our correspondent at that scene at night falls in paris. what can you tell us? >> reporter: all the major french media networks here are now reporting that all three gunmen both the two here at the factory and the one in the
kosher supermarket in paris are dead. we are also hearing that all the hostages have been freed. there's a huge caveat to that. nbc news can't confirm that. number two, there were reports that at the supermarket, two people had been killed earlier on. all of that is one thing. french police earlier on had a wanted notice and put two pictures on that. one was a woman. if the gunmen are dead that leaves the woman who the police describe as possibly armed and dangerous free. so that's the first issue. number two, the inquiry will begin now into how these three gunmen were not tracked, were not traced by french intelligence intelligence. they have been known for a long time to be on the fringes of jihadi groups.
passing me another convoy of it looks like fire service vehicles. this situation may be over but the follow-up operation is going on. the questions will be asked, why did french intelligence not keep track of these people who ten years ago were on the fringes of jihadi groups? they have matured ten years later into assassins. what went wrong in the tracking of these people? if these sieges are over that's the next step as well as tracing that woman who was an associate of the gunmen who took the host anl hostages at the supermarket. >> a lot of soul searching as we go forward. thank you very much. i want to recap for everybody what has been going on in and around paris this morning. the two brothers accused in the massacre at the newspaper were cornered into a printing press on the outskirts of paris not
far from the airport there. according to multiple media outlets in france they have now been killed. the hostage they were holding freed. that's one piece of the puzzle. we have also learned simultaneously there was a hostage taker who went into a kosher grocery store inside paris itself on the eastern edge of the city and took hostages. we learned this morning that all three men were known to one another, came up together in the same jihadi cell and at one point the grocery store hostage taker threatened to kill the hostages he had if the brothers were not set free. again, according to multiple sources, including ap and reuters, all three of those men have died in the standoffs that have taken place this morning. all of this being watched closely around the world and at the white house where our correspondent is this morning. you reported that the president has been briefed this morning and is watching this very closely. >> reporter: he is watching it
very closely. he is currently aboard air force 1 traveling to tennessee where he is going to talk about college affordability. but his press secretary updated reporters aboard air force 1 saying that the president had been briefed extensively this morning. that top officials here at the white house have been in contact with their foreign and french counterparts on an almost minute by minute basis while all of this has been developing. now, of course the white house, the obama administration has continued to stay up to date on the ongoing crisis in france. the president has been on the road this week. but yesterday aboard air force 1 he convened a call with his national security team not only to get the latest out of france but to get updated on the security posture here in the united states. we know that security has been stepped up at french embassies in new york boston, chicago. the white house continuing to monitor the situation. president obama on the road to
preview his state of the union address. what's happening in france continues to dominate the conversations here. the white house calling france once of its oldest allies. obviously, a key ally in the fight against isis. >> thank you very much. let's turn to richard outside the scene, the factory where the brothers had been this morning and are now reportedly dead. good morning again. >> reporter: good morning. this all began here this morning or this hostage siege, i should sagan herey say began around 2:00 a.m. the two brothers in the murders at the satirical newspaper two days ago had been on the run for 48 hours. they came here. this is a sleepy town very close to the international airport. they were spotted. people weren't looking for them here, but police spotted them in an industrial area.
a gunfire -- a gunfight broke out and then those two brothers barricaded them services inside a printing press. they took we now know one hostage, a hostage who is now free. for the last seven hours they had been inside the building. we hadn't heard much from them. a short time after they barricaded themselves in the building, that is when the second incident took place. that is when the other militant a friend of theirs went into the supermarket, took -- it's a kosher supermarket in paris. took several hostages there and was linking the situations demanding that the brothers be released or he would kill his hostages. then things changed a short while ago. two sighmultaneous raids that according to multiple sources killed the hostage takers.
>> richard, stand by and let us know if there are any further developments you can report. i want to turn to the former senior official at the fbi. think about this plot this week what's happening in france. worst terror attack on french soil in at least 50 years. it's not just the human toll and carnage we saw wednesday and on thursday and now today but also the propaganda victory. now you have terror suspects in the grocery store, in the factory able to terrorize, who got the attention of the world for all of these hours. that's exactly what they want. >> absolutely. that's part of their goal is to get the world focusing on them hopefully get new recruits to join. it all goes into that equation. the tactical aspect of this operation might be winding down. but now comes the long tedious process of the intelligence piece, trying to figure out basically what is the life story of all these guys. who have they been communicating
with? where have they traveled? what is their network? was there any foreign direction or was this a plot that was completely hatched by the brothers themselves? this could take weeks or months really before we know the full aspect and the full spectrum of the investigation. french authorities are going to be busy for a while. >> the terrifying possibility that there could be others who know them others who are inspired by them who think, well, maybe this is the time for maximum affect to try to attack a soft target. >> absolutely. you worry about that copycat affect. if it was somebody on the fringe, they see what happened, they think, this is my turn i'm going to do the same thing. >> i want to go to bill outside the scene at the factory north of the paris airport. good morning. what do you have? >> reporter: good morning. clearly, within the last hour we have had explosions and gunfire. there are widespread media reports here in france that the
two brothers here are dead and indeed that the single gunman in the kosher supermarket in paris is dead too. that's not being confirmed by french police or by any authorities. there are also images on social media of the hostages from the paris supermarket being carried literally carried on people's shoulders and backs out of the building. they are all reported to be alive. again, the police have not updated us with anything. as i said before there are a couple of questions here. chiefly, is this really over? because there were four suspects all together. the brothers the man at the kosher supermarket and his partner, a woman who was pictured in a french wanted notice. the question is where is she? the french police said that she was possibly armed and dangerous. have they really ended this? or is she -- she clearly is still on the loose as far as we
know. because her presence wasn't detected at any of these locations. as i also said there will be an inquiry now, after the massacre the manhunt, the siege, now the inquest. how did french police and intelligence manage to let these guys out of their sight, if you like? it's always very difficult -- we remember back ten years ago to the london bombing, the 77 bombings in london. police knew who these people were. but it's difficult to guard them to watch them to have intelligence and follow them all the time. one intelligence official here told us earlier on that that will be the problem, simply a manpower problem. you might identify someone as an al qaeda suspect or as a recruiter, but can you follow them 24 hours a day? on the loose still at the moment is a woman. the french police described her
as armed and dangerous. i suppose before this can be declared over they need to catch her, too. >> absolutely. stand by. we will head back to you with any developments. i want to go to andrea mitchell our foreign affairs correspondent. >> good morning. talking to officials and others at the state department they are very sympathetic with what france is undergoing because here in the united states as we saw with the boston bombing brothers, there are are people on the list who are not under surveillance. it would be impossible to keep under surveillance all of the people who have come up on nsa intercepts overseas as well as domestic intelligence. we don't have the manpower. we have seen the political reaction against nsa surveillance especially in france also here in the united states. so there is a push pull here
politically. but the practical affect is there are a lot of potential lone wolves here in american. it's a concern who they go through immigrant communities. but no one agrees with profiling or with invasive kinds of surveillance if they don't have a real threat or any real reason of an intelligence nature. >> yeah you put your functioner on finger on some of the complexities and issues. it's bad enough when you don't know who might be targeting this country or another western target. as andrea mentioned, it's a huge task to try to survail. >> ten people probably in an aircraft and whatever other technical equipment. it takes a lot of manpower. it's very resource intensive. the other aspect of it is there are legal issues that are in place. for example, you get a nugget of
information that says something might be plotting something. do you have enough to arrest them? no. what do do you? do you do your investigation and you come up with the point where you have gone as far as you can go and then what? do you follow them 24/7? you can't arrest them. you can't do anything with them. there are guidelines that dictate how long you can keep somebody under investigation. these are the constraints that law enforcement has to deal with. >> i think as we ask those questions that bill posed about what the french officials do was there some inadequacy in their investigation and their following of the suspects you have to take it with a grain of empathy for enormity of the task, the difficulty of the task and clearly this is something that they will look into very closely. i think bill is with us. i wonder -- i don't want to put you on the spot. can you clarify one thing? on wednesday with the two brothers, there was a report of a third gunman potentially. so there was the young man who turned himself in, the two
brothers and some reports of yet another person. is there any indication that the man inside the grocery store might have been involved wednesday as well? >> reporter: sorry. can you repeat that? i beg your pardon. >> no problem. i know it's loud there. remember on wednesday there were early reports that not just the three people that there was another gunman who had gone into the newspaper. i wonder if there's any thought or any suspicion that the man inside the grocery store may have also been involved in some way on what happened wednesday inside the satirical magazine offices. >> well, yes, this is what french police must be do trying to join the dots. if you remember going back to the attack on the magazine the videos. all we saw were the two black-clad heavily armed gunmen. police insisted there were three
suspects. you remember an 18-year-old gave himself up to police. he had been named on social media as the third suspect. he said, i had nothing to with this. we believe they are still holding him. but then we heard of the shooting of the police woman. again, it didn't seem to be related. french police didn't relate it. it was again a black-clad man killing a police officer. clearly, he according to french police, is the man who has just been shot dead at the kosher supermarket in paris. but, yes, who was the third suspect at the magazine? how does this woman who french police have named as armed and potentially extremely dangerous, how does she fit into the jigsaw jigsaw? nbc news is now just getting confirmation that the two brothers here have in fact been killed. and also the mayor of the town where this happened is also
confirming that. we're hearing officially from police that the hostage here has been freed. that within the last minute. >> let me add to that, i'm told there's a tweet from the french ambassador to the united states who says the kosher supermarket has been stormed, according to this tweet. the terrorist is dead. the hostages are alive. that's the tweet that comes from the french ambassador to the u.s. regarding the situation you see right there. that's it unfolding as we speak. this grocery store on the eastern outskirts of paris where a man walked in this morning with a gun, held hostages all morning long. a man who now officials say is connected to the two brothers responsible -- believe responsible for wednesday's attack in paris, that massacre. we continue to follow all the developments here. do i still have andrewa with me? i don't -- i do. okay. >> you do. >> let me ask you, when we talk
about france being a target we mentioned the president said they thwarted several attacks recently. that's no coincidence. france has been aggressive in its fight against militants not just with the united states and allies against isis in syria and iraq but also in mali. >> indeed. the french were critical in helping to put down an islamic insurrection there and stabilize mali. the french have been very aggressive militarily and very close allies to the u.s. against isis in iraq and syria. they have been flying. their pilots have been going alongside u.s. pilots as well. they have been very strong milly tearily. also the tensions in france not only the large immigrant population but the political tension, the anger of muslims against restrictions. the head scarf controversy there. this goes back to their algerian
conflict back in the '70s and '80s. it has metastasized. there has been a lot of tension between radical muslims in france and the jewish community. the jewish community has been on guard for quite some time. this we're seeing an outbreak of this in this incident today. there has been an enormous jewish immigration to israel in the last year. wealthier jews buying property in tel aviv if something does become more critical. there are fears of the anti-semitism that has been growing in france they fear. those less advantaged just moving to israel and giving up their property. it has been extraordinary. more jews from france have been emigrating to israel than from russia for the first time historically. a lot of tension between those communities and a lot of civil unrest in france in the last year. >> bares repeating that an attack happened at a co-kosher
grocery store. of course we are reporting this morning that the hostage taker at the grocery store as well as the two brothers have been killed. we await further details. we have been told that the hostages have been released. we wait for further details on that. i want to turn to the former senior official with the fbi. talking about this older suspect, the older brother traveled to yemen. that's key. clearly, al qaeda, this is one of the most aggressive branchs, the most operational right now. they tell their followers, go after western targets. >> absolutely. they have this magazine where they have said you don't need to come over and get trained in yemen to be effective. you can use simple items. your car, things in your house. basically, do what you can do to promote the cause.
they have been very aggressive against the west against the u.s. against our allies trying to recruit people to take action at home. >> i should mention, several occasions the call went out to attack this particular newspaper because of its perceived affront to islam. >> absolutely. you have to think that played into it. you have mention of alaki being a part of this. he was prominent in almost every investigation that we saw here of these home grown extremists watching his videos being inspired by his teachings. it's no surprise that he has popped up again. >> the american-born cleric who was in yemen and influential, killed by an american drone strike. as you say, still having an impact, it would seem. i want to turn to pete williams on this. this is something you are talking to your sources about.
>> in fact he was central in several plots around the world and against the u.s. he is thought to be the leader of the under wear bombing plot to attack a plane coming to the u.s. to detroit on christmas day. that young man ultimately pleaded guilty. thought thoo have been a major inspiration for the attack on u.s. army post in texas. so his name came up over and over and over again. you were talking about this issue of surveillance. talking to law enforcement folks here in the u.s. the past couple of days there is a real sense that there but for the grace of god. because the u.s. faces the same problem. in a different way. two factors. one is perhaps five or six years ago the french authorities would have been able to keep better tabs on these two.
but former u.s. intelligence official says they are overwhelmed by the number of would-be jihadists, people coming back from syria, from iraq, from algaei'llalgeria, from around the world. they have a massive challenge now trying to decide who are the highest priority targets. apparently the information is that the two brothers while at first seeming anti-semitic then tried to put on a happy face and tried to look like they weren't a threat. how difficult it was to know that they were plotting this i'm sure is something that will come out in the next few days. it's a massive operation to try to keep people under surveillance. you have to make decisions. the u.s. faces this challenge every day constantly churning the list of people that they want to keep under surveillance in the u.s. it's an enormous challenge for law enforcement. perhaps nobody faces it more
right now than the french. >> you have heard it a million times. i have heard it from people we know in the terrorism community saying they only have to be right once where the officials trying to stop them have to be right 100% of the time. pete, stand by there. i want to go to richard who has, i believe, new information. good morning again. >> good morning. we spoke to the deputy mayor here who told us he believes that this hostage siege is over. he believes that there was one hostage who was inside the printing press, that he has been recovered safely. but there are french media reports that three police officers were injured here. four police officers injured in the raid in paris at the supermarket. the french media have been all over this and have been ahead of us in many ways. they have been -- the associated press -- i'm sorry, the french
press has given a detailed account of what happened exactly at this location. they say that the two brothers were spotted in a separate room from their hostage and that when they were separated from the hostage, the french counterterrorism authorities decided that was the moment to go in and begin the assault. we heard that assault from where we are. we heard two explosions separated by about five minutes. we heard gunfire. a police officer told us he thought there were at least ten shots. as this gunfire was taking place, the press reports that the two brothers came outside and engaged the police in a gun battle. >> richard. that's the situation where you are in the factory where the two brothers were. as you know there are two scenes here. the other one in the corner of the scene outside the
supermarket, the kosher grocery store where a hostage taker went in and was holding several people and we don't know how that ended in terms of the hostages. again, several media outlets, including french tv reporting that the hostage taker has been killed. there have been reports all morning long thatages had been killed as well. we don't know the fate or the status of the people in the grocery store. it must have been a rather busy time friday midday when this happened. the night has fallen in paris. what a day it has been there. you see three men on your scene, all accused of launching attacks. the one on the right accused of going to the grocery store, taking hostages. the two brothers accused of the massacre wednesday in paris that left 12 dead more than a dozen others injuries. we will pause and give stations the opportunity to return to their local programming.
for others, our live coverage will continue. thanks for being with us. it is noon on the east coast, 9:00 on the west coast and 6:00 in the evening in paris. what a day it has been. two separate standoffs according to multiple outlets reporting from france, including the sois ate associated press and reuters. the gunmen have been killed. two separate scenes. the brothers believed to be behind the massacre the killing wednesday at the newspaper in paris, they were followed. there was a dragnet through the woods for the last 48 hours. they were found this morning barricaded inside a factory outside of paris about ten miles, actually from the international airport there.