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tram. it has transported people from the bottom to the top of the pearl of the orient. all the way to sky terrace's observation deck. it's the perfect spot for the ultimate selfie or even a place to post your love to that special loved one at the say i love you heart. and when the sun goes down the beauty persists. the skyline is one of the most famous in the world with its symphony of lights. a 25 minute music light and sound show. that's what i call a skyline. now, new york may be called the city that never sleeps but if you're here to party, hong kong definitely has your raf hoafter covered. seven days a week -- >> you have everything. you don't need to go anywhere
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because in one area you have everything that you need. >> mark wahlberg, chris brown, even lebron james knows about the tasty steaks and spirits. >> we've got a very beautiful rooftop bar and a good selection of signature cocktails. >> there's always something going on. but the night life isn't just limited into indoors. there are whole neighborhoods where people just party in the streets. and speak easy 001 is calling your name if you can find it. on the outside completely nondescript. once you find the spot make your presence known by ringing the secret doorbell monitored by security cramerascameras. once behind the door the food is fab and the mixologyists have turned cocktail making into a
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science. >> we're inside hong kong's shopping secret. looking just to window shop? ask for the most expensive item in the store and apparently it's a necklace priced at 400,000. some of the best food in the world, next.
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we're at the best shopping in the city and don't forget about the food. all the secret spots, next.
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welcome back to extra's mansions and millionaires hong kong. you know, people come here for so many reasons but if you're looking to drop some serious coin or snag a bargain of a lifetime, it's all about the shopping. high end. the hong kong way is as eclectic
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as it is impressive. paradise found just about everywhere. angelina, nicole and paris all love to shop here. . >> we celebrate hinese culture. we believe that chinese culture has a richness. >> the mandarin style jacket. >> in kashmir caskashmicashmere. >> gucci, dior, chanel. >> how about this unisex diamond watch? only about 54,000. it's a necklace priced at 400,000. >> it's enjoyable to stroll around and see what's going on
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and what is there to offer. >> extra's mansions and millionaires has traveled to every continent and every city over the years. probably because most people here eat out seven nights a week. can you blame them? the taste of hong kong runs the gamut from the comfort of street food to mitchelin star dining. >> i'm going to serve you something that's worthy of the show. >> great. one of the most yunique culinar experiences. chef long provides the direction and drama on master chef canada. i found thhim to be as entertaining as talented. >> i call it extreme chinese.
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this is about anninnovation. >> beginning with a cocktail, a creamy apertiff. >> we have gold flakes and black gold better known as caviar. >> here in hong kong some of the best restaurants are actually some of the hardest ones to find. what may seem like the front of a stamp shop is actually hiding an incredible dining experience if you know where the secret button is. welcome to mrs. pound. inside mrs. pound they've created a diverse menu of asian street food. >> it's usually small snacks that you can just pick up and eat.
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we use asian flavors from malaysia, singapore, korea, japan and mix it together. mrs. pound may not be real, but the food is authentic and customers feast on dishes like the pork belly. and the double fried chicken wings. >> oh boy. >> michelin star tim is the dim sum special eist. they opened in 2009 with customers digging in for fried spring rolls and rolled stuffed with barbecue pork. we're getting exclusive access to the ultimate bird's eye view of hong kong. >> the best way to see this stunning landscape? by air.
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>> look at cities like new york, toronto, chicago. hong kong has that kind of skyline. >> a-listers have taken flights from the peninsula lohong kong rooftop to get this view. >> it has to be one of the most unique opportunities as a pilot and a passenger. >> starting right here at the clipper lounge with views of the harbor. then it's take off with michael wong at the helm. and of course mansions and millionaires style, he's also a pretty well known actor. >> i did a film with jean claude van dam. >> it's his passion and we're lucky enough to get the one on one tour. i'm looking forward to this. >> it's exciting. let's do it. you get up to 2,000 feet.
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i'd like to thank the entire city for welcoming us and giving us the trip of a lifetime. thank you to the intercontinue nthen -- intercontinental for this. i'm telling you, you've got to put this place on your bucket list. >> thanks, michael. now we're going to leave you with your first look at oscar winner jennifer connolly's latest movie. >> i've made such a mess. what i did is unforgivable. i don't know how to be in the world at all. ♪
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it's hillary clinton that is seen as viewed as having the better temperament versus donald trump. peter hart contends, hugh, it's better to be seen as having the
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right temperament than being the most honest and straightforward. >> i think both of those will be eclipse bid who can deliver safety. after paris, the axis of the race shifted and people are looking for who will make them safe. we mentioned in the green room, there's a "new york times" piece today on libya by david kirkpatrick and eric schmidt about the fact that libya has become isis 2.0 and there will be another terrorist attack and if there is one in the united states like paris, whoever promises safety, regardless of their trustworthiness, regardless of anything else and can deliver wins. >> well, in fact, two weeks ago here right after paris i posited that trump was going to benefit more than anyone else because he is big and strong and it was counterintuitive and i was nervous about saying it but look at the numbers. and the way carson has slid, which we can talk about. but the fact is that trump is positing that he can take care of people and raising people's fears as you said is incendiary and i think that the fact of truthfulness doesn't matter, especially when people like us
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are the people doing the fact checking. >> it's funny you talk about this. politifact put this up and i have to show you this. on the candidates that have had the mostly false or false ratings, three have had a majority of the facts that have been fact check bid politifact have been traded as false or mostly false and the top three candidates on the republican side. carson, trump and cruz. the fact checkers are viewed as having an agenda so the more they say "you're wrong" the more the supporters say "they're right." >> and the fact checkers did fact check hillary clinton on her under fire claims, they fact checked -- it's not as if they haven't done. >> it just intensity, eugene, just intensity of coverage. >> well, there's a republican campaign going on now so who are you going to fact check? >> good point. good point. >> i think you are right that safety and strength are the scene for this phase of the campaign. i am not sure that one can say right now that they are the -- they are indeed the main themes of the entire campaign.
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>> hillary clinton -- when hillary clinton says the reset button worked because medvedev was in power, that's palpably false. even time she tries to explain away the reset button, that's why republicans don't trust fact checkers because they allow her to slide with something like "the reset button worked." >> but we're selectively -- but the whole point of -- it's about the fact, period, right? and i think that's ultimately what i think we're wondering why voters aren't demanding that. >> and it's because the media are less credible and fact checkers. >> all right, we'll pause here. i'd like to think we have some credibility left. back in a moment with the man who until recently was leading in most iowa polls. it's ben carson and he's joining us from amman, jordan. [ male announcer ] whether it takes 200,000 parts, ♪ 800,000 hours of supercomputing time, 3 million lines of code, 40,000 sets of eyes, or a million sleepless nights.
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so why should that matter to you? because, today, we are still helping progress makers turn their ideas into reality. and the next great idea could be yours. welcome back. it's fair to say no candidate has been hurt more by the focus on foreign policy after paris than ben carson. he's already slipped from first place in two iowa polls. but to bolster his foreign policy credentials he's viz sing syrian refugee camps in jordan and his campaign released this online video. >> president obama attack med for not wanting syrian refugees to enter our country. we need leaders who stop whining and start winning. >> i'm pleased to say dr. carson joins me now from the jordanian
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capital of amman. dr. carson, let me just start with the basic question, what did you learn on this trip? >> well, you know, it was always wonderful to see things firsthand and to have an opportunity to actually go to the refugee camps and to some of the medical facilities. and i actually talked to the people, not only to the jordanians who are incredibly generous in terms of their support of refugees, and that's been the case for decades now, but also to the syrian refugees themselves to find out what they think about the whole situation, whether their wants and desires. the syrians want to be in syria. they want to be repatriated in their own country. and they are looking for a mechanism to get there. but in the meantime, the facilities that have been offered to them here in jordan are very satisfactory and when i asked them what americans could do they said "if americans could support those facilities to a
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greater degree because they have much more capacity here in jordan and i suspect in some of the other countries as well. >> let me just play something here. here's how you described the syrian refugee crisis, some might say in an inartful way a couple weeks ago. here it is. >> if there's a rabid dog running around your neighborhood, you're probably not going assume something good about that dog and you're probably going to put your children out of the way. it doesn't mean you hate all dogs. >> given -- after meeting these syrian refugees, do you regreat language? >> well, you know here's the interesting thing, chuck. the syrians and the people here completely understood what i was saying. it's only the news media and our country that thinks you're calling syrians dogs. they understand here that we're talking about the jihadists, the islamic terrorists. and it's very obvious to most of
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them. the reception is quite warm. so maybe they can teach us a little bit about how to interpret language. >> you said something else in your facebook post. you said "we must find a political end to this conflict." meaning you don't think there is a military solution to the syria situation? >> well, i think the military solution, obviously, is to try to exterminate isis. and the other radical jihadists who will not allow peace to occur under any circumstances until they achieve their goals. but in terms of a place like syria, you have to recognize that the likelihood of an assad regime maintaining peaceful control is extremely small and the likelihood of al nusra or any of the anti-assad factions maintaining control is also very small. so you need to be working on some type of mechanism to keep
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it from being a perpetual turmoil. >> so it sounds like you think this strategy is the right one, you would keep pursuing it. does it mean you'd speed it up? intensify it? help me out here. >> i think the most compassionate thing when you're fighting a war is to do it quickly. the longer you drag it out, the more people are hurt. and i think we need to work in close conjunction with our department of defense, with our experts. ask them what do you need in order to accomplish this? and let's make a decision. are we going to give that to them? or are we going to keep giving them things piecemeal. >> and let me ask you a quick domestic issue. i know you've been traveling. there was a shooting in colorado springs and overnights there's been reports the shooter was yelling about baby parts, planned parenthood put out this statement "we've seen an alarming increase in hateful rhetoric and smear campaigns
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against abortion providers and patients over the last few months. that environment breeds acts of violence, americans reject the hatred and vitriol that fuelled this tragedy." that was from a planned parenthood spokesperson. are you concerned that the rhetoric may have motivated a mentally disturbed individual? >> i think any hateful rhetoric directed at anyone from any source is too much. it's something that we need to get away from. we have to stop allowing ourselves to be pushed into different corners and then throwing hateful barbs at each other. you know, all you have to do is go to the internet and read any article and you go to the comments section, you don't get five comments down before people are calling each other idiots and all kinds of names. when did we become so immature? we must somehow manage to regain the high ground and understand that we're not each other's enemies even though we may have some differences of opinions
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about things. let's stop trying to destroy each other and let's work constructively. let's put things on the table. let's have a conversation about the rationale for our approaches. >> that's a good way to end things. dr. carson, appreciate you coming on "meet the press" and travel home safely, sir. >> thank you. >> you got it. coming up, more on whether it was hateful rhetoric that led to that attack in colorado. as i told you, planned parenthood indicates yes. but first, there are 63 countries in the coalition taking on isis. why does it seem as if no one is actually helping the united states? we'll ask the former secretary of defense robert gates right after this. surprise!!!!! we heard you got a job as a developer! its official, i work for ge!! what? wow... yeah! okay... guys, i'll be writing a new language for machines so planes, trains, even hospitals can work better.
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welcome back. the isis paris terror attacks have increased the urgency of efforts to build a meaningful coalition to defeat this terror group. there was some encouraging news on thursday when russian's vladimir putin seemed to signal he was open to cooperating with a u.s.-led coalition. however, this came two days after a russian jet had been shot down by an american ally, turkey, for allegedly violating
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turkish airspace, which complicates efforts by the u.s. and others. to coordinate a common international approach to taking on isis, i caught up with robert gates who served under both presidents bush and obama and i asked him for his reaction to the downing of the russian jet. >> i think the biggest concern really is the overall relationship between russia and turkey and what this says about the prospects for a broader coalition in the region. i think the russians were embarrassed, frankly, by their planes getting shot down. it's been a long time since a russian fighter, combat aircraft, was shot down by hostile fire. and especially by a different country and so i think it is going to complicate coordination in syria, maybe it will accelerate it, who knows? but i worry the overall relationship between russia and turkey has turned so sour and
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neither of these strongmen, putin or erdogan, are willing to become down. >> we've heard a lot about this coalition and if you ask them they tell you there's 63 members of the coalition. we've been able to come up with 14 countries that have in some form or another contributed to air strikes and it's a loose definition of contributed. it doesn't seem as if this coalition is anything more than name only. am i being too cynical? >> i think to a little degree. it's better to have dozens and dozens of countries supporting what you're trying to do even if it's only diplomatic support. we had 38, i think, countries in the coalition for the first gulf war and the truth is only four or five of them did any fighting. so it's front a diplomatic and political standpoint to have a large number but the reality is, the truth is, if you had all 60 in there trying to do something
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militarily you would have chaos on your hands so in some ways having four or five or sthix th have real military capabilities, being involved, makes it easier to manage. >> can we make any progress against isis if turkey and saudi arabia are not sort of following the u.s. strategic goal here? >> well, i think those two really do have to be on board or we have to be on board with them. in terms of priorities and i think we need to look at what they are trying to accomplish. what their goals are. as i said. most of these countries have another agenda. the saudis are worried about iran, the turks more about the kurds and so on. but they're both united in the fact that assad has to go before you can make progress against isis. i think we need to listen to them if we want them to be active and aggressive members of the coalition. but the reality the you hear people talk about sending combat
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formations from arab nations into iraq to fight isis, that's just not going to happen. first they are not going to send their troops, not willing to send their troops but second the iraqis probably wouldn't allow them to come anyway. you've gotten a iranian influenced government in baghdad and the notion that they would invite saudi or gulf state troops into their country to fight what is an internal fight in their eyes i think is very unrealistic. >> whether you realize it or not or only what i'm hearing you seem to be painting a picture that says well, the u.s. is going to have no choice to if not totally go it alone but to the point where they may as well be going it alone because the other countries won't be falling in on our priorities. >> i don't think we have to go it alone. we obviously have strong allies like france. but what we do need is to have
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some allies in the region where we're on the same page and where we have the same strategy. and i get it about the negotiations in vienna and so on. but we need to understand who is going to be critical to what is happening in syria itself. the president's strategy, is it -- should he speed it up? speed up the implementation of the strategy or completely change it? that seems to be among the debates. while the strategy is the right strategy, it just needs to be set up. >> i think it does need to be sped up and intensified. i think while isis is a long-term problem for us, we have near-term issues associated with it. all you have to do is look at the downing of the russian airliner and the attacks in paris and the attacks in beirut and so on. so we have a near term problem that needs to be addressed or a
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near-term challenge from isis that needs to be addressed but when i hear people talk about a completely different strategy, i don't know what that is. putting tens of thousands of u.s. troops in there is not a near-term solution. it would take months and months, even if you decided you wanted to do it, to put the logistics in place, get the troops trained and so on and i'm not sure they don't aggravate the problem. you're not going to have combat formations coming out of raqqah wearing isis uniforms to confront american troops. they're going to melt into a population of several hundred thousand people or more broadly. so i don't see what a totally different kind of strategy, what kind of totally different strategy would actually work in those circumstances. >> robert gates, former secretary of defense to presidents bush and obama. coming up, it may be the biggest political endorsement of the republican primary season and it's the one that comes from the new hampshire union leader and today it went to chris christie. you may be
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it turns out, democrats and republicans are faring very differently and that may explain the deepening political divide in this country. let me show you something here. with the help from our friends at the american communities project, we looked at the employment data in counties that are predominantly democratic -- which is mostly big cities and urban suburbs -- and those that are mostly republican, in rural america. and wait until you see these differences. almost half of the democratic primary electorate, 49%, live in big cities and urban suburbs and in both of these types of communities, since 2000, more people have joined the work force than left it and guess what? this group is relatively optimistic about the economy going forward. now, let's look at the other side of things. about a third, 31%, of the republican electorate lives in rural and faith-driven america and there more people have left the work force than joined it since 2000 and not surprisingly this group is more likely to be pessimistic about where the economy is headed in the next
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month. so what does all this mean? these numbers, i think, can help explain why democrats and republicans view this presidential race so differently. if you're a democrat, you're happy with the economy. you're probably not very likely to want to see a change in leadership. if you're a republican in a more depressed part about this country, you're more depressed about the economy and this may be a reason why you want to see a change at the top. in other words, the political divide in this country is being matched and driven by an economic divide and they've fallen into red/blue patterns and that helps explain why republicans and democrats want very different things from their candidates and it explains why we're so polarized and why we can't get things done because we can't agree on what the problems are. it depends on what part of america we represent. coming up next, new indications that the shooting at the colorado planned parentho this is the one place we're not afraid to fail.
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welcome back. i want you to take a look at the front page of the new hampshire yunion leader. it's big news for new jersey governor chris christie. he has secured perhaps the most important newspaper endorsement in the republican primary season. the question now, will that endorsement give christie, who has been struggling in low single digits in the polls, the momentum to launch a real challenge in the granite state nationally? joining me is the publisher of the new hampshire "union leader" and the writer of that editorial, joe mcquaid. the panel is also here. so, joe, chris christie. first of all, tell us how you started -- you cut the field to get to the point where you decided to pick chris christie? he was among a group of how many you were seriously considering for the endorsement. >> i think we were really looking just at the governors. i think after the experience of the past eight years, freshman senators without a lot of experience are not good. >> so you punished cruz and rubio for having the same resume as barack obama? >> yes, punishment is kind of a harsh word from the "union
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leader." >> fair enough. >> disparage, things of that nature. so it was the governors and walker didn't last long enough to really be under consideration. i'm not sure why governor perry didn't get any traction but it was left with kasich, bush, and christie and from that, myself and my editorial writer, some people that i respect in the community, we looked and christie is the guy who can take the fight to trump, hillary, isis. >> it's interesting. you said -- you seem to say, we were talking earlier, christie's the most trump-like and that was an asset in some ways. >> it really is. because americans seem to be fed up with washington and they're looking for somebody who speaks with a bark off as we say in new hampshire and i think christie does that. but as we said in the editorial, he does that knowing what he's talking about as opposed to some others who don't. >> why christie over jeb bush?
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jeb bush you could argue had a more successful tenure as governor. chris christie had a lot of downgrades. the economic leadership in that state is at best at a standstill. >> going in, jeb bush had one of the better states, jeb bush has not been a u.s. attorney which i think is also a key in these troubled times and jeb bush doesn't look like he wants it and the public senses that. so i'm looking for somebody who can get the nomination and i don't think either bush or kasich can do so. >> is it fair to exclude marco rubio and ted cruz, though? i know the analogy to a freshman senator, but ted cruz doing well in iowa now and showing his experience, showing he's got a lot of legal experience, he's highly educated. why not someone like ted cruz or marco rubio? >> well, fairness in politics -- it's not fair to exclude. i take your point but i don't think either one of these fine young guys has the administrative experience and
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knows how the buttons are pushed in washington in the government. >> he does know how to push buttons on bridges. as a republican primary voter, bridge gate and the second amendment. how did you deal with those two? >> well, second amendment christie waltzed around and came to a position which we could agree with which is the second amendment rules. bridgegate, i was astonished when i asked him what, if anything, he learned from this and he said he learned not to be so trusting. and i said "you were a u.s. attorney. you trust people?" but i think it shows it's a big state and he's weathered that. there were a couple of people who are under indictment. he hasn't -- nothing has tied governor christie to bridgegate. i asked him when this trial is likely to happen. he said it's supposed to be in the spring. he suspects for some reason it will be in the fall. but i don't think they're going to lay a glove on christie because i don't think he had anything to do with it. >> you know, chris christie has
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been moving up in new hampshire. he's not leading, however, in new hampshire. >> nope. >> are the voters of new hampshire looking for something different this time? are they looking for a donald trump? are you in tune? starting to realize -- you're a very powerful guy and your endorsement was very power informal new hampshire. but is this what the voters want? >> we will see on february 9 if the secretary of state has the primary on that day and all this business about polls and leading in the polls and poll driven i think has been damaging to the elections of the united states. it used to be that people in iowa and new hampshire got to pick. now it's fox and the other networks saying "we'll determine who gets on the stage." >> let's talk about the state of the race and broaden the conversation. joe, we won't keep you on the hot seat, you get to play panelist with the rest of them. i want to show quickly -- ted cruz is having a moment. you brought up ted cruz here.
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i joked with you, joe, that the previous writers of the "union leader," they probably would be cruz people. >> well, patti would be going for buchanan. >> but cruz is moving and jean and molly, he seems to be moving at the expense of carson. >> that's true. i was at a trump rally in south carolina this week and almost literally every single person i spoke to, these are all trump supporters, if they had a second choice, a lot of them are trump or nothing but if they had a second choice it was ted cruz and a lot of them want a trump/cruz or a cruz/trump ticket. and that was not the case a month or two ago. there was not that buzz so cruz is gaining mind share among republican primary voters. carson is losing it i think partly because of the questions about his foreign policy acumen and the events overseas. people don't see him as tough enough. they like he's a healer. they like he's a uniter but he
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doesn't have that machismo that trump has. >> tomorrow, bulk data collection of the nsa ends. it totally ends. it's totally changed. ted cruz is on one side of the issue, marco rubio on the other. marco rubio supporters, the super pac, 501(c)(4) have hit cruz on this. is cruz vulnerable? >> yes, he is. and the debate on the 15th in which i'm a panelist, that will come up. if i have any hope to turn that towards a national security focus, that's a major deal. the french were not able to follow up, with the best homeland security in europe, were not able to follow the terrorists and the collection of metadata will matter. i don't know, joe, if it matters in new hampshire. people don't much like that. >> new hampshire, live free or die state. >> it's all about security now, though, and i think governor christie is on the right side of that issue. >> you think cruz is on the wrong side of it? >> oh, yes, yes. i don't think cruz will do well. >> the one thing about ted cruz that has caused a lot of criticism in washington is that
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he doesn't play nice. he doesn't get along, he criticizes his leaders. that's what's helping him on the campaign trail. with that he shares those qualities with donald trump. he's a bomb thrower. >> and it's what joe wanted with christie. >> it is, indeed. >> we see a pattern here. >> yeah. christie is -- if there's an insider who's an outsider, it's christie. he's a jersey guy who shoots from the lips but he knows what he's talking about and i think people will buy that. >> joe, stick around. we'll take a quick break. back in 45 seconds with our end game segment and the aftermath of that shooting in colorado. of that shooting in colorado. can our - you set rules around the house, right? so set rules for your kids when they go online: don't be a cyberbully. no racy selfies. and remember everyone can see everything you post, even grandma. rules keep kids safe online. the more you know.
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end game time and the panel is here. i want to talk about colorado here, molly. look, we're getting reports from law enforcement officials it may have been politically motivated. we heard what planned parenthood said. democrats have been on one side of quickly coming out in support of planned parenthood, republicans have been very hesitant about what they've said. >> well, and that seems obvious to me, right? this is an event that plays right into two major issues for the democrats. and i think what it illustrates is the extonigent to which this
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election is going to be a culture war on domestic issues. you have the democrats really leaning into these issues that they used to be afraid of, being very strongly pro-abortion right, standing with planned parenthood. that was a talking point long before this happened. but also really leaning into these second amendment issues democrats have been so afraid of forever because they're so alienating to a lot of rural voters. now you have the democrats feeling like the demographics are on their side, the culture is on their side. i don't know if that's true. but that's -- >> it's totally what you said, republicans win on the culture wars, democrats lose. now democrats are the ones that want a culture war. >> exactly. and we don't know, this homicidal man, we don't know his mental state and what prompted him although there are some indicators but the second amendment issue, the gun issue, is where democrats really are coming together. >> well, we know he had a gun. >> we know he had a gun. >> and you heard donald trump saying after paris, after chattanooga "they should have been armed." well, that is a completely different response than you're
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getting from democrats. >> joe, i'm curious. in new hampshire, it used to be democrats were a little cautious on gun issues, particularly democratic nominees for president because they wanted to continue to carry places that were rural population -- iowa, new hampshire, where the democrats are more pro-gun rights. have things shifted in new hampshire where it's really now polarized? >> i don't think so and i think it's awful early to be criticizing republicans for not jumping on the issue in colorado until we see the specifics of the issue. but as far as guns in new hampshire, if hillary clinton, who won eight years ago and i expect she would win this time, not bernie sanders, she's going to have to waltz on the gun issue. bernie sanders is a gun guy from next door in vermont so i don't think it will play the way it may play in other districts. >> chuck, you said to mr. trump words matter when you're running for president obama. in 2012 a domestic terrorist attacked family research council because they were against same-sex marriage. it was a terrorist attack. this was another terrorist attack. words do matter but they can't back people away from difficult
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issues. >> it's interesting you say that. these are domestic terrorist attacks? >> absolutely. >> and we should be using that language? >> absolutely. we should be and you're right to cite that earlier incident and this incident. they're both domestic terrorism and terrorism incidents and we need to use that word. it's a scary word for people but it's violence to achieve political aim. >> and crazy people out there are impacted by rhetoric so when you -- >> that's what i'm thinking. i'm wondering. we call it this, but you're right. the mentally disturbed are the ones that are looking to create a rationalization for themselves. >> what was the impact in the 1970s when the rate of domestic terrorism in this country was far from what it is now? much, much higher with bombings. these were people with political ends, they weren't terror -- >> well, the rhetoric did have an impact on the weathermen. they went underground and killed people. that's why rhetoric matters but we can't sanitize an issue. i will talk about the planned
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parenthood practice, they were selling baby parts. i would be happy to engage people but we have to recognize there are disturbed people on both ends of the spectrum who can be impacted. >> what's fascinating was to see the internal video, the live camera security that planned parenthood now has which is how the police were able to document in realtime where he was, where the hostages were, how to save people. the security that they have now -- >> well, they have officer swase who gave his life this morn. let me move and close it with isis. you heard secretary gates, gene, and it was the subtle advice he was giving the president which is this -- you need to align your interest with the saudis and turks. you have no choice. you need to get rid of assad first. and he kept coming back to it. >> right, he said you have to do that because you need them. >> ignore the russians. >> you need them all in. ignore the russians, number one.
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number two, he dismissed this talk of huge numbers of u.s. troops and other troops. he said, you know, the basic plan is the right plan. >> you can't ignore the russians. you can't ignore the iranians. you've got to come up with some sort of timetable because russia is now -- we've permitted russia to become a major player here. it's interesting the arab members of this coalition have not flown any mission because the saudis are so focused on yemen. more than assad. the saudis are completely embroiled in yemen. >> and the turks with the kurds. joe, we know when the "union leader" endorses they don't just do it on one day. chris christie is going to get a run here. >> we'll reinforce it and other guys might get unfair references. >> there you have it. joe mcquaid, good to see you. thank you a great panel. we'll be back next week because if it's sunday it's "meet the press."
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