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we were him all the best of luck. that's "nbc nightly news." lester holt will be back in. i'm kate tonight, nbc news goes on assignment. >> i think people have an idea that this is some frankenstein factory. >> harry smith is inside the only place in the world where they will do this. >> looks like a happdog. >> and clone your pet. >> clones? >> yes. >> six of them. >> all clones? >> yes, all clones. >> genetic carbon copies of cute little puppies and rough and ready crime fighters. >> those are serious jaws. >> what might they clone next? >> it would be an amazing feat, an impossible feat. >> keith morrison reports on the challenge of a lifetime. >> nobody has done it before.
>> sean parker of facebook and napster. >> what in heaven's name possessed you? >> maybe a hacker. >> a computer hack. >> killer t cells like little commuters. >> a revolutionary therapy saving lives like hers. >> i found i was cancer free. >> reborn? >> yes, reborn. i think this billionaire is on to something. but first, richard engel with an nbc exclusive. >> i let my family down. i let my nation down. >> why should i believe you? >> he's the young american that went from the ivy league to isis. >> he asked to help isis bring down planes. >> why did he join, and why did he return? >> they got more brutal and brutal. >> you saw heads on a stick? >> yeah. >> tonight, a dark journey inside isis. >> you see madness in their eyes.
>> that story right now "on assignment." good evening and welcome to "on assignment." i'm lester holt. tonight we take you into the very heart of the terrorist world and for the first time, an american who joined isis in syria has returned to reveal the inr working of the terrorist group. he told his story exclusively to richard ingle. for the past 19 months, the u.s. government has been hiding a valuable intelligence asset somewhere in new york. this week, they revealed him but only to us. we've been asked to call him only mo and when fbi agents brought him out, he didn't look like a dangerous criminal but make no mistake, he pled guilty to two terrorism charges because in 2014 he spent five months in syria training with isis. >> i've let my family down. i've let my nation down.
and i've let god down and i have a lot to make up for. >> so you in this interview and other places apologizing? >> absolutely. >> why should i believe you, that you really regretted it? one could say now you're facing a difficult situation and you have to say it was a big mistake. >> i mean, i took my steps on my own by going in. i also took a lot of steps on my own getting out, and i'm helping in every sense that i can to help rid the world of the evil that i saw. >> mo is awaiting sentencing and hopes that cooperating with the government will buy him some leniency, a naturalized citizen, he came here from bangladesh when he was a baby and grew up in new york city. >> did you grow up what you would call religiously extreme environment? >> no, not at all. >> what was it like to be a kid in your house?
>> i don't imagine anything different from any other new yorker, at least a muslim new yorker because there is some religion involved, sure. i grew up playing basketball, going to school. >> mo's high school paper published an essay praising super heroes including albert einstein, winston churchill and mr. burke. he went to community college, made the dean's list and caught the eye of a colombia university recruiter. there you are colombia university, a hard school to get in. >> yeah, i was excited. >> until a teacher in a class about islam played a provocative and controversial film called "submission". >> it's a video about a woman in a birka with koran writing pointed on her and one of the most offensive things that made me feel alienated. it's an emotional thing and
still bothers me. >> do you think this was a turning point for you? >> it's c is. i became observant. >> mo left columbia and for awhile drove a taxi through the streets of new york city. he was repelled by what he saw as temptation around him. he didn't take questions of faith and identity to his local mosque. >> where do you look for these answers about islam? >> my research was mostly independent, what i thought was independent online. >> according to ali a former fbi agent that tracked islamic radicals, social media is isis' main method for recruiting. >> they have the communication with them on social media and go to apps where it allows them to do peer to peer communication. >> influenced what he saw online, mo began dreaming to go
to syria where he believed a pure islamic state is rising. is it possible in the spring of 2014 that someone wouldn't have known what isis was all about, how brutal the group was? >> if you look back in the united states, for example, most of the experts that you are talking to will say hey, isis only kacares about establishing ca ca cale fite. >> he wasn't sure he wanted to leave until in 2014 the fbi came knocking. >> why did the fbi come? >> they were wondering about my activity online. >> they followed your social media? >> yeah. >> they thought it was suspicious? >> yeah. they asked if i had any want to go. i did lie a little. i said i'm interested to go to syria. >> two days later mo pretended
to go to work but headed instead to the airport. >> this was a spur of the moment decision? >> it happened very fast. i bought the ticket and the night before i packed my bags, left a letter to my parents and. >> what did you say? >> i was planning to not come back, it was a farewell. >> he was able to board a flight to istanbul and make his way to orpha with foreign fighters. he made contact with isis over twitter and was soon driven with four other recruits to the border where they ran into trouble. >> we were caught by turkish border patrol. they beat the crap out of us. >> punching you. >> kicking a metal rod, the butts of their akas. >> and then? >> they told us to cross into syria. >> they told you to go into syria? >> yeah. >> they stopped you, arrested you, beat you and said okay, get lost, go into syria?
>> yeah, and pointing a gun and i just did what i had to. i just ran. >> mo soon reached a safe house and the first thing he was asked to do as a resident of the islamic state was to fill out a form. >> it was just the guys took us separately and asked a bunch of background-type questions. >> there was one box where they could say special skills. >> uh-huh. >> on your form it said studied at colombia university, has planned for taking down aircraft, could be useful. what is that? >> well, i guess, that's how they wrote it. they said do you want to be a fighter, a fighter or a fighter? and you know, i was just really trying to think of an excuse not to be a fighter. >> but you were saying okay, don't use me as a fighter because i'm a terrorist mastermind? >> huh? >> you said don't send me off to the front lines because i can be useful in other ways. >> it's short-sided but, you know, it seemed to me that it
was, you know, save my skin. >> two weeks after the initial processing, mo was sent to an islamic training camp like this one where he claims he was shocked by what the isis instructors were saying. >> what kinds of things were they telling you? >> perspectives on, for instance, slave girls. it was something that they perpetrated and thought of as actual slavery and enslavement of just regular civilians and people. >> he says he was appalled but things were about to get much worse. he headed for military training next. >> a weapons class, a tactical class and there would be like a physical training class. >> what kind of weapons did you train on? >> they gave you an ak and they had you memorize it and everyone got three bullets a person. >> so they didn't want you to use too much ammunition. >> they were low on ammunition,
i guess. >> did they show you how to make bombs. >> they explained how to use it. >> the isis videos i've seen or anybody has seen are so brutal. >> all those videos came out a couple months after me being there. they just got more brutal and brutal in front of me. it's like a blood thirst, i guess. people just had a readiness for violence. >> the group was attracting violent people you think? >> absolutely. that's the bulk of the people going there. >> did you see evidence of all the gore that we see in the isis propaganda? >> towards the end, as things were getting more and more serious, i did see severed heads placed on spiked poles. >> you saw heads on a stick? >> yeah. >> and what did you think? >> i just blocked it out. i tried to ignore it. >> you thought that this was
going to be an islamic utopia you said is? >> yes. >> you could see madness in their eyes. >> you've been presenting yourself very much as a victim, someone that fell for their propaganda. >> uh-huh. >> but you went and joined a group that is known the world over for it's brutality. >> i'm not saying i'm a victim. i know, i've seen the victims there. i don't support terrorism. i support islam. i like the idea of islam. >> lots of people like islam and want to follow their religion who don't join international terrorist group. >> uh-huh. >> see, that's the trap. very, very in line. >> he says he was seduced by isis, that he was effectively a victim. do you buy that? >> i don't buy that. this is bologna, to be honest with you. there is an individual that went, joined isis and when he applied to join the organization
in the form, he asked to help isis bring down planes. this is a person who went to join isis with terrorists intentions on his mind. >> did you do any fighting? >> no, thank god, no. >> when did you decide that you were going to leave? >> one morning everyone was busy. they left me alone for an hour, and so i took that chance and i walked out. >> he found a sympathetic syrian that promised to help him sneak back across the border. >> i remember sitting in an internet cafe waiting for the guy to pick me up, and i was sitting there for over 12 hours. i was trying to e-mail my parents. >> saying i'm trying to come home, i made a terrible mistake but i may not survive. >> i may be caught and killed. i was shaking in my hands and that's what terror is and what evil is.
>> as soon as he got to the turkish side, mo headed for the nearest u.s. consulate. american agents escorted him all the way back to the states where he was promptly arrested by the fbi. he's been in jail since and faces up to 25 years in prison. the government allowed him to speak to us hoping his story will detour other young americans from falling from isis' pitch. >> i think i have a real message and that's the most important thing. the message is that islamic state is not bringing islam to the world, and people need to know that, and i will say that until the day i die. >> how genuine the promise from an american that pledged his life for isis will be for a federal judge to decide. >> coming up, love your pet? how about a spare set? >> when you see the dogs, do you think clones or puppys? >> cloning your dog. >> so unbelievable and incredible.
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based economy but we didn't come to seoul to look at the gadge gadgetry. we're here to see puppies. if you have a puppy in your home, you can get a clone here, yes, an exact genetic duplicate and if you think that's impressive, you ought to hear what they want to clone next. they traveled 5,000 miles from their home in the north of england to korea to see two little boxer pups. these pups are clones of laura's dog dillon and this is the only place in the world where you can get your pet dog cloned. do they look like dillon? >> they look just like him. >> richard is in construction. laura helps with the business and walks dog. richard says laura is dog mad. dog mad in a good way. when you see the dogs, when you see the puppies, do you think
clones or do you think puppies? >> puppies i think. if you comprehend that i took these samples from a dog after he died and they come from that, it's so unbelievable and incredible. >> laura's 8-year-old dog dillon died quite suddenly leaving her an emotional wreck. >> would it be too much to say he was your best friend? >> he was my total best friend, yeah. i spent more time with dillon in the eight years than myself. >> in her grief, she remembered seeing a show on television about dog clones. >> i remember thinking i would love to do that with dillon but where would you get all that money from? then the day after he died, he said what about this cloning thing? can't we look into it. i said are you kidding me, it's 65,000 pounds which is $100,000. >> you heard that right, the sticker price is 10 0, 000. >> laura was there when they were born.
the lab cloned 780 dogs for customers around the world including these two jack russell territories for this couple. >> over here we have a pomerian and york shire territory. >> clones? >> all clones. >> here is clones for a client in china. >> six of them all together? >> yes. >> all clones? >> all clones. >> just want to make sure. >> here we have another clone for a client in india. >> right. there you go. looks like a happy dog. >> yeah. >> a happy clone. >> the man behind all this dog cloning is dr. hwang woo-suk. in 2005 hwang cloned the first dog, the invention of the year. the year before hwang created a worldwide sensation when he
claimed to have cloned a human embryo. a dramatic scientific first. >> do you trust this guy? >> i can't trust him, no. >> dr. beth is a biologist and genius grant award. >> dr. hwang claimed to have cloned a human embryo and the whole world said what happened, what happened to the science? >> it turned out he hadn't actually cloned a human embryo and did some things that were not faverbly looked upon by the scientific and global community. >> investigators found hwang's data on human cloning was fabricated and female lab workers were pressured into donating eggs. he lost his job and lost face. hwang vowed he would spend the rest of his life repenting. >> anyone that has lied very publicly and been found guilty of that, i think will be very hard for the scientific
community to get behind him. >> but dr. hwang has come roaring back building this foundation into an international cloning mega business and while we were welcomed at his lab, dr. hwang turned down our request for an interview offering instead a proxy, researcher david kim. >> i think people have an idea that bizarre cloned animals are coming out of these dogs and they have two heads and three legs. that this is some frankenstein f factory. >> cloning has been warped because of science fiction movies. >> we watched dr. hwang perform the procedures necessary to clone the dog. he removes eggs from ovaries and needs a dna sample from a living or recently deceased animal. so you need that? >> yeah. >> cloning a dog or horse or in
these pictures, a pig, the dna is lit up with dye and sucked out of the egg and the dna from the animal you want to clone replaces it and shoot in electricity and there. not exactly biology 101. for laura and richard, it worked twice. >> i would literally could not believe it. >> she screamed and said it's true. i thank god. >> oh, no. >> the lab offered the second pup as a gift but there was a different kind of cost to producing a healthy clone, numerous surgical procedures on other wise ehealthy dog from th donor to surrogate. there are a lot of medical procedures for you to get your successful clone. >> yeah. >> is that all worth it?
>> i mean, that's the part i do feel worse about knowing that these dogs are having to have unnecessary operation because i'm such a dog lover. >> laura spent a lot of time at the lab and convinced the dogs here are treated humanly. >> there is the dow narcotnor o egg. >> it's predatory convincing someone if they give you $100,000, you can give them an identical copy of a beloved pet, it's not fair. >> i got the genetic replica, looks like fido, right, barks like fido. >> there will be behaviors and physical traits and other aspects of this dog that will be identical to the dog that once lived, but it's not the same dog. identical twins are clones of each other but are different people. >> some people see this program
on playing on emotions of people like you grieving so desperately for the animal they lost. >> yeah. >> do you feel exploited at all in this process? >> no, not really. anyway, probably is a way to deal with my grief and just to make me feel like there is still a part of him somewhere in this world, to feel like i have not fully lost him. >> but dr. hwang is doing more than cloning warm, fiuzzy puppies. half a world away another of dr. hwang's clones are learning how to sit, fetch and rollover. he's being taught how to identify different types of explosives. >> that's black powder. he will be an explosives dog. >> spector is a clone of a animal of rare courage, a once in a lifetime u.s. special forces dog. >> can you tell me the dog's
name or where the dog is working now? >> the dog's name is branco and the dog is assigned to a unit i can't tell you. >> classified? >> classified, yes. >> john has 30 years experience working with police and military dogs. a former cop, he runs shallow creek kennels. training dogs and their handlers for law enforcement. somebody calls you up one day and says hey, do you want to work with a clone? was your response? >> i kind of laughed at first. i didn't think it would work. i didn't think there would be any difference between a normal puppy compared to a clone puppy, and we were proven wrong. >> spector is the third clone of that u.s. special forces dog. the first two are already working for the atf swat team. >> just for the record, this is a good idea, right? >> good idea. >> at five months old, spector's bite is already much worse than his bark. >> man!
>> those are some serious jaws. >> the genes are the same, the dog looks the same, is there something else you're sensing about this clone? >> they seem to have previous life experience. they seem to be more mature and focused than a puppy should be. >> does it freak you out a little bit? >> absolutely. it's like a science experiment, yes. >> if clones pets and combat dogs isn't impressive enough, you'll want to see what dr. hwang wants to clone next. ♪ ♪ ♪
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recover ancient species like the woo wooly mamoth. >> he plans to clone one using the same process as cloning a dog. is that possible? >> it is not possible. >> why not? >> in order to clone something, one needs not only a preserved cell but a cell that is still alive and in anything that is dead like a mamouth has been dead about 3,000 years, that is way too much time to have passed for any cell to still be alive. >> shapiro has done her own research hunting for remains, she's an expert in ancient dna and the author of "ironically enough, how to clone a mammoth". >> why do you think dr. hwang is
trying to clone a wooly mammoth. >> his career is checkered with things he's doing to create attention. it would be an amazing feat, impossible feat and he would be famous. >> fact is, a number of labs are trying to bring back extinct species using different techniques. hwang's group is hopeful it will unearth viable dna to clone a mammoth and surely, someone, somewhere is trying to clone a human. >> if i get really good at cloning dogs, might i get good at or better at trying to clone a human embryo? >> humans are a species that for better or for worse, i would probably say for better, seem to be very hard to figure out how to do this for. that's not to say it's impossible. >> while the world waits for that or for dr. hwang's cloned mammoth, laura and richard have to wait for their dogs to clear
quarantine before they can bring them home. >> i'm excited to get them home? >> $100,000 does that seal like money well spent? >> at the end of the day, we got the dogs. it's hundred well spent. >> he's beautiful. >> laura is also adopting the two surrogates who gave birth to her cloned pups. she's dog mad, remember? coming up. >> you're looking through vulnerabilities and broken things in order to go and fix them. >> he's the tech world pioneer on cancer's next frontier. >> ten days into the new year, i found out i was cancer free. >> can this silicon valley visionary help find a cure?
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about the remarkable doings just outside his backdoor. >> i don't even feel like i'm in my backyard, it's the weirdest thing. >> his name is sean parker and this is indeed his backyard in which he built a giant glass atrium for dinner guests that will be entertained by the likes of lady gaga to announce he intends to do something he's never been able to do. >> it's a manhattan project for curing cancer with the immune system. >> billionaires think they can do anything. what in heaven's name possessed you to think you could wade into a field where the world's great medical minds have been working so hard for so long and they could be different. >> well, you're talking to somebody who has waded into a lot of fields and somehow managed to have a really big difference. >> which may sound like the ultimate except this guy my
actually be on to something. >> i'm sean parker. >> this is how most people were introduced to sean parker, played as a greedy arrogant party boy by justin timberlake in "the social network". >> it is truth, the generalization is real life. >> it hurts when their only impression of me is watching the film and preconceived notions of me, all of which are wrong. >> what is right? he's the president of facebook and certainly has been disruptive. in high school he got into trouble with the fbi for illegal hacking. at 19, he and an internet buddy named sean fanning created napster, the music sharing service that up ended the recording industry. >> we were kind of troubled kids who weren't totally happy with the life we were living, and we were incredibly curious. >> and now he's rich. facebook made him a billionaire.
then he helped unleash spotify and at 36, he's husband of alexandria, father of two and the proud owner of one of l.a.'s most expensive and iconic mid century mansions. >> architecture is incredibly modern. >> but curious kid, he most certainly still is and so when his good friend laura was fighting cancer, he got very curious indeed about a cutting edge treatment called immu immunothera immunotherapy. >> she participated in clinical trials about immune know they are -- immunotherapy, maybe earlier would have worked. >> even though it seemed so promising. >> you know, losing laura changed me. i went from being someone for
whom this was an abstract problem to someone who was a militant activist. >> immunotherapy harnesses the body's immune system and helps it attack and kill cancer cells. parker's tech background persuaded him the treatment should work. >> the theory had an appeal to me. you start to learn about things like killer t cells. they are incredibly sophisticated killing machines like little commuters. >> could they be harnessed to fight cancer? parker south out leading doctors and hospitals working with immunotherapy and heard about stacy for years kept alive only by intense chemotherapy. >> i was falling apart. i couldn't get out of bed or function or think about the next week. >> the best thing you would get is prolonging this. >> yes, and it was literally killing me. >> then she was offered a place in a trial of immunotherapy drugs and now, do you feel normal? >> i feel normal.
if you didn't tell me i had cancer, i wouldn't know it. >> you can live with that. >> i can absolutely live with that, that's the plan to live with it. >> mary elizabeth williams wasn't going to live at all. her melanoma was a death sentence, stage four seven months to live. >> it's the end of summer and your kids are starting school. there is a strong likelihood that you will not be there to see them through the end of the school year. >> those seven months will not be happy ones. >> they won't be fun. it's going to get worse. it's going to get bad. >> what are the feelings that go with that? >> i felt like a failure. i felt like i disappointed everybody. i felt ashamed. i felt really scared. >> then in 2011, mary elizabeth got to be a guinea pig -- ill muni know therapy trail and she began to feel better. >> i took my daughters to macy's
and we saw santa claus and my kids told santa something in secret that they didn't want to tell me what it was. we celebrated new years and i was really aware that that year could be the book end of my life. and then ten days into the new year, i found out i was cancer free. [ laughter ] >> yeah. >> reborn. >> yes, reborn. yes. >> just three months into treatment, her doctor is the preimminent. >> good work, man. [ laughter ] >> immunotherapy for melanoma has been transformative. it's also been transformative for bladder cancer, some subtypes of lymphoma and non-small cell lung cancer, which is the number one cause of lung cancer death in north america.
if immunotherapy is so promising, why aren't there more new treatments? why aren't more people getting them? he plowed through dense medical journals, badger the top experts for information. >> it goes back to being a hacker. you're looking for vulnerabilities, you're looking for broken things in order to go and fix them. >> what's broken? immunotherapy research has been gummed up said parker, slowed down by a burfunding system. >> scientists struggle to keep their lab going and every time they were applying for grants, they are rejected because the funding tends to go to the same people. >> he calculate that less than 4% of cancer research grants have been going toward immunotherapy, and top doctors must devote about one-third of their time to applications and competitions for the grants to pay for research. >> there really was no other way short of me winning the new york state lotto, right, and funding
myself. >> but the process can take years and thus delay new treatments for patients. what do you think of that? >> incredibly frustrating. patients don't want to wait a generation for governments and other large institutional funders, you know, to provide answers. the way parker saw it, the cancer curing business was right for his brand of disruptions. >> i start with a simple question, how are we spending $300 billion on research and development with such little improvement over the last 20 years in the life expectancy of patients? >> one of the road blocks, established research centers have been reluctant to share rights to new therapies, which is, says parker, just about the same problem he encountered when he helped get spotify up and running. >> how is organizing cancer research like organizing spotify.
>> we had to work with three major record labels and get the rights. >> so in his meetings with cancer centers, parker proposed a similar solution. >> what if we had a system where all of the intellectual property could be shared amongst the scientists so a breakthrough could be shared. >> imagine, a meeting with some of the best minds of medicine and some guy from silicon valley is trying to persuade them to fall in with him. >> isn't that like herding cats, trying to get them to work together? >> the magic was so clear to everyone, the trouble with it was that nobody had ever done it before. >> but he did it. his new parker institute for cancer immunotherapy will market any drugs and split part of the profit to the institution for more research and put down $250 million of his own money
stripping away the need for the endless fundraising. the result, a history-making alliance with six of the leading cancer centers including jed's problem. parker calls them his immunotherapy dream team. is this something that really has the capability of ramping up the speed with which you folks can address cancers and fix them? >> it already has. because of the power of six, you know, we really have the ability to engage multiple fas at a hig level and do the science with them. >> does the billionaire know what he's doing? dr. lewis lanier gives him high mark. >> sean is a quick studder. he really loves the stuff. his whole heart is in it. >> which brings us back to the
big kick off party parker threw last month in his backyard. it was not your average gala, part science lesson led by tom hanks. >> stay together and immune check point inhibitor. part encouragement for cancer survivors from performers like lady gaga and a hollywood worthy tribute to the scientists and the patients like mary elizabeth williams parker hopes to benefit. >> i want you to know what happens after your doctor tells you you used to have a life-threatening cancer. >> so maybe this billionaire is on to something. >> i think this billionaire is on to something. >> other people seem to think so, too. vice president biden whose leading the government's new cancer initiative recently met with parker, so has former president carter whose had
remarkable success with his i'm ma i'm mu immunotherapy treatment. so maybe the one-time internet bad boy found his life's work. >> the structural changes that need to happen won't happen overnight. they will play out over a generation. >> and you'll hang in there. >> as long as people are dying of cancer, yeah, i'll hang with it. coming up. >> hi, i'm in the middle of an interview. >> how high-tech kids, turns out not all technology is their type. >> old fashion telephone. you can use it for calling people. you have to dial the name of the person and call them? >> ut oh, we're going retro next on the kid's table.
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>> you dial the numbers. i don't know how to do that. >> how do you dial this thing? >> and then go like click. then it goes five. click. >> this is hard. >> four. >> click. >> and then just do like this. >> hi, i'm in the middle of an interview. well, just wait until they try to find their favorite song on an eight track. remember that? that's going to do it for us tonight "on assignment." we'll see you next sunday on 7:00, 6:00 central. we're just off the brand-new bay bridge, an architect marvel. it came billions under budget and costs thousands of american jobs. how did that happen? buckle your seat belts, we're on a voyage to find out.
>> that's next week "on assignment." i'll see you at 10:00, 9:00 central for an all-new "dateline." i'm lester holt, thanks for joining us. superstars. come on, boy! all day! they're gonna show you what they do. after this, you're gonna push your leg out. boom! [ shouts ] [ chuckles ] got a problem. got a problem right here. [ chuckles ] ba-yah! this is not a competition. we're gonna have a great time tonight. -[ squeals ] -[ laughs ] people call you handsome sometimes? -yes. -yes. [ laughter ] y'all answer at the same time? -sometimes. -sometimes. [ laughter ] harvey: they're gonna perform. they're gonna talk. bah! they're gonna blow your mind. do they know me in croatia?