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ed: good morning. it is time to go "on the record here: this --"on the record." this morning the man in charge of boston public schools goes "on the record," what dr. tommy chang thinks of the billion-dollar plan to overhaul the city' s school buildings. plus, polls show some candidates gaining on donald trump. has he reached his peak? and boston' s new school superintendent says he may be open to alternatives to the mcas. >> today' s newsmakers are going "on the record." ed: good morning to everyone. i' m ed harding along with newscenter 5 political reporter janet wu. our guest this sunday is boston school superintendent dr. tommy
chang. he is with us. he is happy for one reason, the dodgers have made the playoffs. he is not so happy the red sox do it. great to have you here. janet: this week, mayor marty walsh announced a new master plan to upgrade boston' s deteriorating public school buildings over the next ten years. he estimates the cost at more than a billion dollars. let' s listen to what he had to say. maryo yor walsh: we are talking about looking at every single space in every single building in our city. janet: $1 billion is a large number. the bulk of this money will have to come from the state capital budget. with every school district in massachusetts clamoring for its share of the money, what' s the argument that boston deserves such a big chunk? dr. chang: i would say the vast majority of schools here in boston were built at the turn of the last century. we have a lot of schools that are in disrepair.
we have schools that need to be upgraded to match the educational programs we need in the 21st century. janet: there is always this battle between suburban schools, springfield schools -- vying for that money. do you think that boston has not gotten its share of the money and now needs to catch up? dr. chang: i can' t really speak to what has happened in the past. i do know in boston we serve 80% of students in poverty, students who are very needy. and they need to come to schools that are respectful of them. janet: do you think you will hill to give you this cash? beacon hill. funding resources. ed: let' s talk about that. 27% of school-age children living in boston do not attend public school in the city. do you believe this master plan
is key to persuading families to stick with the system? could this be a contributor to families taking the public school system? dr. chang: i think it can. it is about creating an environment where students can best learn. it is upgrading the buildings we have. i walked in a school this week where the school had to cut a hallway in half in order to provide learning spaces. ed: that does not work. dr. chang: it is not a good environment. it is not respectful to kids or families. janet: you said you may have to go to voters. are you talking about a tax increase, a property tax increase? t know. possibilities. money as well? hike? dr. chang: i think we need to consider anything. s switch the
handling of abused and neglected children. that issue is front and center now. teachers may be the most stable factor in these students lives. what have you directed your principals to do about this ongoing crisis? dr. chang: if there are circumstances where children are in danger, it is absolutely our responsibility to report. we want to be able to report it to an agency we know will do an investigation and will care for these kids. that' s our main concern. that we have an agency that we trust when we make the report. janet: without naming any names or specific schools, have there been instances where teachers have reported to dcf and there has been no response? dr. chang: the response rates have been a little longer than we would hope for. janet: does this happen frequently or on an ongoing basis? dr. chang: i don' t have the data behind that.
janet: where else would they were? dr. chang: it is dcf or law enforcement. s talk about the other issue. the opioids. we have been doing many stories on newscenter 5 about that. some school systems have brought narcan into their buildings not so much to save students who may have overdosed on heroin, but for parents or adults accompanying their children. what is boston' s policy? dr. chang: boston has a wellness policy, and our policies focused on looking at the data around what our particular issues are the need to be addressed in schools and creating comprehensive school plans. in regards to this particular issue, i think that schools we
the monitoring issues, but prevention and education as well. what are we going to be teaching our young kids, and this is happening with very young kids. we need to teach our kids what healthy behaviors are. janet: is narcan in schools now? ed: about 80 of 300 school districts in this state have it. it is an issue being addressed by schools. should it be in schools? dr. chang: i can' t speak to specifics about that. i myself am trying to learn more and get smart about this issue. ed: i think everybody is trying to learn more and get smart about the issue. you are talking about school building environments which need to be upgraded, and perhaps the family environment. 80% of the students -- dr. chang: live in circumstances of poverty. ed: that' s a contributing factor
as well. dr. chang: it' s about supporting the whole child. i believe the role of schools is around the education piece of it also. ed: are you ready for the "otr" pop quiz? we talked about the red sox and baseball. because it is fall, we thought we would bring it toward the patriots. we will frame it with a little schoolwork. dr. chang: the answer is not dirty water. janet: you remembered. ed: we have broken this into school subjects. subject number one is history. tom brady made history last weekend when he became just the fourth quarterback ever in the nfl to do what? dr. chang: i believe throw 400 touchdowns. ed: you' re right on top of it. question two is math.
ed: we continue "on the record" with dr. tommy chang. question number three is geography. the patriots have won four super bowl. can you name just one of the four cities where they have won the super bowl? dr. chang: tampa? ed: no. dr. chang: phoenix? dr. chang: ed: no. dr. chang: i don' t believe in multiple-choice. ed: question four is about science. according to nfl regulations, what is the minimum air pressure level for game footballs?
dr. chang: 15 psi. ed: 12.5 psi. the max is 13.5 psi. question number five is about phys. ed. tom brady was a three-sport athlete in high school. football was one of the sports he played. can you name the other two? dr. chang: baseball. ed: good. janet: next year when you come back, we expect you to do better on the patriots questions. speaking of deflategate, the nfl has made a lot of news this year including domestic violence and cheating. many kids view these athletes as role models. what is a teacher' s responsibility? do they bring the conversation into classroom? dr. chang: i think teachers actually need to talk about role models in all aspects of a student' s life, not just with athletes, but teachers themselves are role models. ed: is it the example in the family? couldn'
t they be role models themselves? dr. chang: absolutely. families. it could be a minister at their church. we shouldn' t just focus on athletes. janet: it a teacher here' s a conversation about tom brady or deflategate or any athletic star in the news, do you use that as a teachable moment? do you deemphasize it? dr. chang: if i was the teacher, i would say, what do you think about what happened? do you think tom brady did the appropriate thing by not discussing it publicly? i would make it a teachable moment, but i would expand on role models. janet: there is a move away from mcas. boston switched to an alternative testing system called parcc last year on a trial basis except for 10th grade. do you think parcc is a better assessment test? dr. chang: i believe in assessment that does not use multiple-choice or short answers
would be better for us. ed: what do you plan to do in the foreseeable future? dr. chang: state assessments are dictated by the state. the commonwealth are having this debate. our belief in boston is that we have to start moving away from mcas and start focusing on more common core assessments. ed: what does common core assessment mean? dr. chang: assessments that assess for deeper knowledge, more critical thinking, asking kids to write complete essays, asking students to solve math problems and make arguments. format or within a classroom situation? some kids don' t do well on a testing format, but they do well in the classroom.
students may be asked to have a discussion before they begin writing. janet: do you think that parccs than the mcas? dr. chang: absolutely. of boston move over to that? dr. chang: that or something else, common core assessment, go. ed: we have access to information anywhere anytime. should things have this -- should students have this every day? is problem-solving more answers? absolutely right. too often we depend on an
ed: new boston schools superintendent tommy chang has indicated he is not the world' s biggest fan of standardized testing and is open to alternatives. could the mcas finally be flunking out? >> kids are tested too much. they should be given more time to play outside. >> i think it is very working to have a measure of what --
important to have a measure of what children are learning. >> they do not determine the measure of a person' s intelligence. >> ed: would you be encouraged to have the schools look at alternatives? >> absolutely. i' m looking forward to seeing what tommy chang brings to boston. >> i would like to see alternatives. ed: you would like to see it stay in place? >> yes, no changes. ed: time for the "otr" roundtable. we' re joined by democratic analyst mary anne marsh and republican analyst pat griffin. happy october. the holidays are just around the corner. janet: governor baker campaigned on dcf, criticizing deval patrick and martha coakley. it took him nine months to come up with a plan and only after several major tragedies. he spoke out a lot about this in the past week.
>> if you have to tell dcf their number one job is to keep kids safe, that is a complete and utter failure. protocol isn' t enough. if the protocol is to lower the bar and lower expectations, that is unacceptable. kids are still going to get killed and harmed. any deaths forward our bank -- cannot be it -- inevitable. janet: too slow, not enough . that' s what you' re saying. >> sounds right. pat: any more children harmed or killed is unacceptable. the governor faced opioid crisis -- crises, snowstorm, deficit, and we could go on and on. the administration did not
in the next few days, he is going to a chief medical officer , something new for dcf, and reopen the central massachusetts office that governor patrick closed for dcf. we have to use technology and people better. i don' t think anyone made it more clear than charlie baker. janet: everybody is guilty. we have talked about that before. charlie baker i think is uniquely qualified to fix this. pat: and i think he will. it did not get fixed in the last administration. ed: item two is $1 billion. mayor walsh wants a billion dollars to overhaul boston' s outdated public school buildings. will he get it? pat: i think he is going to get
dr. chang said this morning most of these schools predate world war ii. the structures are old. in this master plan, is it just the buildings? we don' t teach the way we did pre-world war ii. is the classroom, is the curriculum going to be different? ed: some of it predates the war of 1812. janet: he also mentioned voters paying more money, possible tax increases. mary anne: everyone knows the schools need to be better and need to be fixed, but marty job -- will have to do a better job selling this after the olympics. the bar is higher. he has to explain how the money is being spent and who is spending it. ed: what about new bedford, taunton, lawrence?
mary anne: everyone says you can throw more money at it, and, in many cases, we should. in this case, there are people involved and everyone needs to do a better job. pat: my money is on the mayor. i think this is a great campaign plan. i think he gets it through. janet: do you think he gets a tax hike component? pat: tough. janet: let' s look at presidential politics. some polls are showing donald trump may be losing steam. ben carson is a near match in numbers with marco rubio and carly fiorina right behind them. is the summer of trump over? mary anne: not at all. everyone has predicted trump' s the polls. s. background is the fat lady warming up. i have been saying he would not
make it, like an awful lot of people in washington. i think like a lot of kids in high school, he has peaked early. mary anne: wrong. pat: i think people should look at where we were the last cycle. s what makes sense. preibus wants to change the primary calendar so that nh in the primary status. is it time? mary anne: no. everybody trusts new hampshire t o vet candidates. t even control his own party. ed: does the granite state have the political power to stop this?
meeting? mary anne: i think if you are the pope, you can either confirm or deny a meeting. it says you should go to confession and have a handful of contrition. [laughter] janet: is she right? pat: said like a true recovering catholic. t know. i hope what the holy father said was, if you don' t like doing the leave the job. if not, he should have said, you something else. ed: boston will host an indycar road race in the seaport district on labor day weekend next year. it was supposed to be a test run for the olympics. now there are no olympics. questions are now popping up on whether boston will get dragged into a potential black hole. is this a good idea? mary anne: there is probably a
change of venue coming. pat: start your rhetoric. if the holocaust if it costs half $1 billion just to clean the streets -- janet: mary anne' -- mary anne: cecile richards, exposed the investigation into planned parenthood for what it is, an effort to end abortion and healthcare for women and families that is fueled by partisan gop politics and paid for by taxpayers. pat: i' m going with ann romney.