tv On the Record ABC September 4, 2016 11:00am-11:31am EDT
ed:ed: good morning, everyone. it is time to go "on the record." >> there will be no amnesty. ed: donald trump again doubling down on his immigration overhaul. the republican giving a primary speech in a general election. will this work? >> take more than trying to make up for europe insults and insinuations by dropping in on our neighbors for a few hours. ed: democrat hillary clinton dismisses trumps diplomacy as unfit ability continues to rise. and the question on two, on whether to raise the cap on charter schools. >> today's newsmakers are going
can you believe it is labor day weekend already? >> i do not want it to end. ed: this morning, we are going to talk to both sides of the ballot question they'll impact public schools. maria: massachusetts voters are being asked to consider whether the current cap on charter schools in massachusetts should be lifted. proponents say this will allow students, especially in minority communities, more choice and opportunity. right now, there are about 33,000 bay state students on a waiting list for charter schools. deplete funding and detract from the current quality of local public schools. opponents project that in 10 years, the number of charter schools would nearly triple and that would take away the estimate of $1 billion from public schools. ed: we have both sides of the charter school cap question today. let me begin with proponent. marty walz, chairwoman of democrats for education reform, massachusetts advisory council. she is also a former state
she is leading the opposition , lifting the cap on charter schools, is barbara madeloni, president of the mass teachers association. the mta represents 110 thousand educators. by the way, for disclosure. go ahead. maria: let's start with marty. 78 charter schools in massachusetts. many of them are serving students in the inner cities. why do think we need more? marty: i won to to think about a child sitting home this weekend, getting ready to start school this week. she is on a charter school waitlist. she has to instead, go to a school with not great academic results krejci has one chance of fifth grade this year and because of the cap on charter schools, she will not get a great fifth grade education. this is about kids on the wait list and other families desperate to get a great education, and there is a limit
the massachusetts association and you say that takes away from the public school kids. barbara: absolutely. i'm thinking about the child that goes in the school but doesn't have the library and because the library and has been cut because of the money lost. i was on the phone last night with a former librarian and brought in, but he had to eliminate middle school librarians because they're losing $2.ll marty: as the daughter of a librarian, i'm concerned about our public schools on what happens. this is a strategy willing to do two things simultaneously. we need to improve public schools, so there are great options, and charter schools are different kind of public school that make great sense for a certain number of families in the state, and they are being denied the opportunity to go to great schools.
schools for the kids desperate to get into the charter schools because we know charter schools have extraordinary academic results. charter schools in boston get academic results comparable to the schools and the wealthiest suburbs. those kids in our cities deserve those kinds of great schools. charter schools are a great option for some families, just as district schools are great for other families. ed: barbara, the first charter schools opened in 1 have a large enough size over great amount of time. since then, studies have repeatedly found that most outperform their district schools. the idea is to lessen achievement gap between white students, suburban students and minority children throughout the state -- i asked that as a question. is that true ?massachusetts. barbara: ed: is that true -- is that true?
dangerous that is, marty talks about doing that all at once. the reality is that our stay commission that looked at funding for public education, we are already underfunding public edge of tatian by $1 billion a year. charter schools already take $450 million from our local district. maria: let's talk about that money. that is a scary number. ed: is it true? marty: 4% of kids that go to public kids go to charter schools. the money follows the kids, so the numbers feel big and scary but the reality is if you go to a charter school, tax dollars fall you -- follow you, so it is funded by the tax dollars attributed to you, so it follows the child, which makes good sense from a taxpayer's point of view, that you will put the money where the school is, and just like if i moved from
me and goes to milton instead of randolph carried it makes common sense. the money attributed to a child follows the child. maria: but that money takes it out of the public schools you are saying? marty: we make it sound like money belongs to the school district. money is actually about children. barbara: that analogy is the family of four, where one of them goes to mortgage. you still have to feed the family that is there, so that is the more critical analogy and we are talking about real material reality. i am talking about librarians. i am talking about half a million dollar lost a year. some schools -- sometimes don't even have charter schools and had to get rid of the band program. they no longer have jv football.
barbara: this is after reimbursements, they are losing money. marty: when a child leaves a district to go to a charter school, the state sends additional money to school district or six years to ease the financial burden because it is leaving the district. in the last 17 years, the state has spent approximately $1 billion back to additional aid in school district to smooth things out so school district's can adjust their spending declining enrollment. one needs to really think about what we are doing to try to help school districts, reduce their expenses, when their enrollment is smaller. ed: i am reading from the position, charter schools fail to service many high needs students as many local school districts and that creates a separate and unequal system of education. marty: let's think about boston, the largest charter sector in
83% of all students to go to boston charter schools are african-american and latino students. predominantly low-income students. in boston, with the largest charter sector by quite a number of schools, there is an externa job done with the families and the demographics of charter schools and terms of latino and african-american students are better than boston public schools. barbar education students and special needs and students for whom english is a second language? -- whom english is a second language? the numbers are not equivalent to the districts. and where they are sending districts really dealing with much more significant special needs and with language fluency issues than a more profound. charter schools are clearly
schools? barbara: miami troubled by this ballot question because it is reckless. it says we are going to increase the amount of funding leaving public education by hundreds of millions of dollars a year, each year, over the next 10 years, and there are real material consequences. ed: margie's point is correct that charter schools are public schools. barbara: i wanted to go back to the child who is looking for in our program and is not able to get that because of the cuts in their schools, who loses $9 million a year, to charter schools. ed: and you saywi not just in boston. ed: the two of you have artfully argued the point but now you will work together for the pop-up quiz. this is like the classroom. question one, the charter school idea in the united states was originated in 1974 by a umass amherst professor. by the name of? barbara: i should know.
. by the way, 40 three st -- 43 states now have charter schools. question number two, which current presidential candidate said this about education? our public schools have grown up in a competition-free zone, surrounded by a very high union wall. why aren't we shocked at the results? this is a current presidential candidate. barbara: it has got to be trump. marty: it sounds exciting trump would not say. ed: if i had said it was you, you would have known exactly. we will be back in a minute. [laughter] fios is not cable. we're wired differently, which means we can fix things differently. thanks for calling fios. this is ryan. you can't tell me this cord isn't in. i know it's in. it's in, but it's not working. i'm sending you a link to the my fios app that going to let me see what you're seeing. really? yes, mr. mcenroe... see that cord? just plug it into the connector on the right.
minute but they are working together right now. question number three, what governor, son of a former governor, said this about charter schools? i believe public education is the new civil rights battle and i support charter schools. that is the governor, son of a former governor. barbara: son of a former governor? tristan -- i grew up in new york. ed: then you should get it. [indiscernible] question number f w the father of charter schools? barbara: former world leader? ed: claims he is the father of charter schools. he claims a lot of other things, too. marty: i have no idea. ed: bill clinton, but only one existed when he took office. finally, two merrimack valley communities that happen to have a number of charter schools got slammed by maine's controversial governor paul lepage this past
[indiscernible] ed: ding, ding, ding. maria: i assume you go on the opposite side of this, but there is a civil war in the mass democratic party right now over charter schools. some weeks back the state democratic committee voted overwhelming to keep the cap on the number of charters, but democrats for educational say, not so fast. there is an internal fight brewing. but kind of i marty: it is about the merit of charter schools, so it is a debate but there is also another component. the democratic state committee is a group of party insiders, with with no notice, waived the rule and who do you oppose question to? president obama supports charter schools, hillary clinton supports charter schools, a majority of democrats in the state legislature voted to
battle? marty: because of the force of one of which is teachers unions, so the political dynamic is a challenge but if you listen to democratic voters, every public opinion poll shows democrats support charter schools, so this is an internal battle five group of loud people to oppose charter schools. barbara: the question here is really about the valid question two which is reckless and undermines public education in massachusetts. informed voters, once they understand the losses to public schools in terms of funding, they moved to our side. democratic state committees was supporting us because they were informed that question two is dangerous. ed: dangerous you are saying. barbara: this is not about
schools. those are two different questions. ed: up to what? 12 a year? barbara: let's fully funded public education and go back and make sure that $1 billion is taken care of and every child in massachusetts, whether or not bury, nude in, greenfield -- whether in roxbury and greenfield -- ed: to thank you for coming here. this is a hot button issue that
that the playoff beard for ?the boston globe.? [laughter] maria: looking good. we were talking about question two, lifting the cap on charter schools. can voters be swayed to add 12 more charter schools a year? >> there has not been a lot of public polling but it shows about half voters support it and wondered oppose it. but there is a lot of money between now and then. maria: do you thin dilute public schools? do you think voters will say they are in? >> teachers unions have been vested interest in not seeing too much competition. i could without competition makes for mediocre profit. when he should follow students and if that happens, everyone is happy. voters will probably go for it. ed: issue number two, donald trump's illusion of diplomacy started and ended this week in a six hour period.
predations. >> day one, my first hour in office, those people are gone. [applause] zero tolerance for criminal aliens. ed: gone. question, will the real donald trump please stand up? is this the real one? >> this is the primary donald trump. how many times have your colleagues h that tailored and do the etch-a-sketch? >> we have talked about this, general elections are about addition and multiplication and not subtraction and division. trump had 40% of the electorate and did nothing to increase that. maria: what happened before he had everybody in that room? he met with the mexican president. he met with him and said, we did not talk about payment of the wall and the mexican president
later and says, you are paying for that wall. why not say to the mexican president and then come to the public? >> i think trump will blame it on a translator probably. [laughter] trump managed to get down to, stand next to another leader in another country without getting guacamole on his face the 29 minutes, the deal for him, and then he comes back to the united states. ed: podium with the mexican president and trump said at that podium, we did not talk about who would pay for the wall. where was the mexican president at that time and said, perdoname , thi -- >> in french he said it. [laughter] >> the mexican president
next and presidents -- the mexican president's political visor was not working. maria: hillary, heavy duty fundraising on long island. dancing with paul mccartney while jimmy buffet played margaritaville. meanwhile, abc ?washington pos?" poll shows that clinton's unfavorability is at a new high up 6% in three weeks. among registered voters, she and trump are nearly identical. 59% clinton to 60% trump. millennial voters. [laughter] it is going up. the issue of trust and hillary clinton seems to be dragging her down. >> she has this wax museum of entertainers. i'm not sure everyone else is going. that is -- the best way to kill a bad product is lots of money in advertising -- and bad advertising. donald trump may not be a
horrible one. ed: the issue is it will not go away. >> the problem is it feels the biggest thing in politics, a pre-existing narrative and you bad to it. maria: how do get rid of it? >> you run a campaign. >> but you do not, that is the problem. hillary clinton cannot advertise a way out of this. this is part of the brand. ed: let's talk about maine's governor paul lepage crossed into the bay state this passed week and lit the place up in just a few hours. is he trump lite? >> he says he was donald trump before donald trump. ed: there you go. >> it said brand toward political practice. he has this bombast and unvarnished. ed: was there any truth to his statements about opioids in massachusetts? >> i do not know, but that is not something you say when you
bad, bad, bad. maria: thursday is the september 8 primary. it's quiet. what should we watch for? >> there is a senate race in the new council versus incumbent and that will be interesting. $200,000 of trump school money that has come into the race but it is pretty quiet everywhere. it is quiet. ed: there is -- >> there is a senate race in
we have survived. tom brady's suspension is 19 hours in to it and we will talk about his hair cut. give us a caption. >> i sure will. four-time super bowl champion. [laughter] maria: i love that answer. ed: patrick? >> remembered to cut last week, giselle? this is haircut. ed: [laughter] maria: patrick. ed: haircut. >> and looks like a boy band. ed: remember matt damon had one of those. maria: it was for will hunting. >> this week, i will give it to donald trump because he managed that presidential and he still does spotlight for several days and the was chained to the teleprompter. maybe it was a good thing, we will see. >> i give it to gary johnson from the libertarian ticket trade they started to retail,
that fair? is 10% enough? get on the debate stage and perform. >> it is not my call. i would love to see that. i think would be a lot of fun. >> that is the problem, where do you draw the line? johnson and weld would be four hundred million dollars. that's how much charter schools will drain from massachusetts public schools this year. four hundred million siphoned from local districts that desperately need it. four hundred million that won't fund more science and technology, arts or preschool, counseling, or smaller class sizes. four hundred million unavailable to the ninety-six percent of students who don't attend charter schools.
vote no on question 2. norman: that's a lot
of vitamins there, harold. harobefore kelly ayotteg up gets her way on medicare. norman: what do you mean? harold: well, she wants to privatize medicare, turn it into a voucher program that'll cost families big time. norman: uhhh... the vitamins? harold: gotta keep my family strong because ayotte also wants to raise the medicare eligibility age. norman: ohhh... i think maybe i'll pick up a few too.
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