tv This Is America With Dennis Wholey PBS November 7, 2010 10:00am-10:30am EST
>> let me ask you this so the folks at home get to know a little bit about you and about your organization. you are all journalists. in a sentence or so, tell me a little bit about, let's say, your daily newspaper, how many people if it reaches, and the number one story the people are following. >> migration reformist the number one story. >> migration reform -- immigration reform. >> immigration reforms. going from mexico to the u.s. it was a big issue for obama when he was elected. he got hispanic votes behind him because he promised the reform.
unfortunately he has not delivered. >> people are disappointed? >> deboarded very disappointed. >> disappointed or angry? >> i would say angry for the moment. >> tell me about your newspaper and who it reaches. >> we are the largest mexican daily, and we reach 1.5 million mexicans living in the region. >> "the haitian times, a newspaper based in brooklyn, new york serving the haitian american community. it has the story is everybody is interested in an obviously what is happening in haiti without reconstruction, hurricane, cholera, and elections. >> what you say, the "african sun times," that is kind of a unique thing. it is published just for folks here, right? >> yes, the "african sun times" is been in existence for 21
years. we have been publishing in another newspaper called the "african inquirer" before we switched to the "african sun times." it is a weekly newspaper, and it reaches most of the africans in the tristate area. of course, we also send it outside the new york area to other african -- to other areas where we have major africans. >> led the folks see the paper, which is a tabloid here in united states. you like to say it is similar to the " new york daily news." [laughter] >> ok. >> tell me about the post in pakistan. >> "pakistan news." >> ok, thank you for the correction. >> it is one of the largest pakistani newspapers and a weekly newspaper but the unique thing is we print seven editions
every week. pakistan is in new york, chicago, houston, washington, los angeles, and dallas. >> how many people are we heading? >> more than 200,000 people. all north american. >> in your job is? >> in the publisher and the chief producer. >> there is a huge news agency with great tradition and history that you work for. >> yes, asp, one of the three big ones with the ap and reuters, and we are the oldest one. we have six languages, 2,000 reporters all over the world, video, at tech, photograph, more and more of video, by the way. and we reach -- it is difficult. we used to say millions because
we have subscribers. of course, we have televisions, newspapers, radios, but we also reach more and more -- we have gotten more and more with the evolution of the media and technology. >> it is changing. >> tell us about yours. >> it is the largest chinese newspaper in the world. >> what does the headlines say? >> about explosives. >> the violence from yemen on the way to the united states. we will talk a little bit about that in a bit. how many people might it reached on a given day? >> i do not know. i have more than 1000 staff. >> 1000 staff? >> yeah. other than africa, we have offices in australia, asia, europe, and africa. i come from hong kong.
back to china since 1997. in the past 13 years, it has one country, at two systems. when china becomes more open, hong kong would try to compete with shanghai and beijing as an international financial center. >> we're going to take a break and come back on the other side and get into how folks in other countries see america and how these journalists around our table see our u.s. media. sit tight. "this is america." >> "this is america" -- brought to you by -- the national education association, the nation's largest advocate for children and public education.
the american federation of teachers, a union of professionals. the league of arab states, representing 350 million people in 22 member countries. the rotondaro family trust, the ctc foundation, and the american life tv network. -- afo communications and the american life tv network. >> how the people back home see america? >> well, the thing is that africans are confused about what is going on in the u.s., especially when it comes to obama. what is going on and the fact that all of the sudden somebody
who came into power with more than a $1 trillion deficit is now -- and he has been trying to bring it down, but people have forgotten that he came into office with more than of $1 trillion deficit. >> are you saying that the people back home are very forgiving? or do they still hold out hope? or people here are disappointed? >> local i am saying that never condone disappointed that people have forgotten that this man came in and there was a deficit, a big deficit when he came in, and they're trying to bring those people that caused the deficit back to power. >> they should have put you on their campaign. >> you say that people back home are concerned about immigration.
are they still favorable toward america, do you think? >> yes, there is a love/hate relationship between mexico and the u.s. we're neighbors. we share a lot of things, including 40 million mexicans living in the u.s. so there is this dream about coming to america and having a good life for you and your family. so that it is part of immigration and it is very important for mexicans that they still see u.s. says coming to make an economic living. but there's another part of the hate part of the relationship with the drug wars right now. we are fighting. there is a sense that we're shedding the blood, that we are paying the price of the drug wars. but we are not the consumers. the consumers are the americans.
so there is this thing about, why do we have to pay the price of something we're not demanding? the demand is in the u.s., so the u.s. has to do their part of the deal and fight consumption. >> uh-huh. jump in. >> it sounds like how the pakistanis feel about the u.s., where pakistan has to be part of this war on terrorism. and it has been told over and over that you're not doing enough, not doing enough. >> we have been suffering for the last 20 years. only pakistan who did everything behind america. we did our best part -- [unintelligible] and-that was the reason that russia was getting a part.
because they invest too much money and the army and this and that of the right now, what happens? when the pakistan finishes the war with russia, america was just, you know, just wanted to get out. after that, what happened? there is big fighting between the mujahedin. those much of hitting, including osama and everybody, there were the best money -- best buddy of the american cia. what happened? no shelter for millions of pakistanis. they went to jihad. what happened? i was studying at karachi university, and we had a big debate. the question was there, when these mujahedin -- >> let me jump in and make it clear as to what pakistanis feel
about america. when it is the nubb of the response? >> they love them, but they hate them. just like mexico. >> tell me why they love and why they hate. >> you know, there's no doubt america is the biggest financial supporter of pakistan, but there is no doubt that it is america to bring all these problems to pakistan right now. in afghanistan, you see it. >> how are you saying that america is bringing the problems to pakistan? >> yes, because that afghanistan has peace, pakistan has peace. america is not doing enough for afghanistan to fight the mujahedin who are really bad against the americans, against
the peaceful countries. but what happens? it is like a drone attack right now. they are attacking from the unmanned plane, and they do not know who is being killed. innocent people have been killed. >> but there also some very, very, very -- >> there is no doubt. >> the enemy is being killed as well. >> but there are more innocent people. like yesterday, there was a marriage ceremony with more than 100 people that were killed. >> let me ask another guest. what do the people back home think about america? >> for us, it is clear that there is if -- huge support for obama in france and a huge support for democrats usually. in france, the social activities are very strong. all the social progress which has been realized since world
war ii, so the fact that for obama, it was on the top of the agenda changing america in order to have more social security, more overage plans. plus, the huge charisma that obama has. we are big fans for the future. but even among the right part of france. i mean, france is not a country of lefties. even among people who are cirque's voters, there is a strong support for obama -- even among people who are nicolas sarkozy voters, there is the strong support for obama. it is not the best part of the republicans but the extremist part of the republicans came out, and they did not really a understand. >> as long as you are here, let me ask this question but there's a perception in america the people in france are not
friendly toward americans. is that true or false? >> no, i would not say so. since obama has been elected. >> they are more friendly. why are you laughing? you're laughing. >> i think people like obama from france, but i do not think they like bush. >> they do not like bush? >> i think so. the french people are more open. >> and speaking for the chinese, how do they like obama? >> it is half and half. >> half and half? >> yes. >> that is like 500 million on either side. that is a lot of people. >> in our country, i see that bush -- >> but bush is gone. we cannot keep going back. >> i have to say that. obama, in our muslim countries, they see that he is a peaceful guy. the first thing he did was he
visited all these countries. so they see obama has a good impression about of the muslim countries. >> can you tell me, and everybody way in, what is the problem here in the united states about is long? i mean, yes, 9/11 did happen. >> i think it is all media. >> you are saying it is media? >> i think it is all micro media. mostly american media, like the "new york times,"cnn, people another editor, writer. any news in the "new york times" in any of the big newspaper, you see a few minutes from our country. related to islam or pakistan. but you never see any special news. maybe once a year. important is from pakistan come to america. >> so you do not like the way
that the american media portrays pakistan, right? >> i believe american media is not balancing like they're supposed to be after 9/11. >> we, in africa, not just american media, we hate the western press for what they have done to africa. it is about portraying africa as a continent of wars, of disease, and of poverty and things like that. even when there is progress being made, africa is not -- the story is not being told. we have been trying to find a way in africa to begin to seize back the progress and the positive things we're doing. for instance, in 2005, i was one
of the six experts that the african union sent to egypt for us to discuss the establishment of an african radio and tv channel, so we can begin to broadcast and show the world what is really happening in africa. because the western media is not showing any thing. of course, we in the press know that bad news cells. >> i was going to ask you. now we have 24/7. >> and the 24/7. and effort of -- africa has seen it badly. >> so africa is mad at us. pakistan is mad at us. >> mad at the western press. most of america, africa loves
america. >> but we are part of the western press, right? and you are not thrilled was us, are you? mexico is not thrilled with us. >> yes. >> the american media affects every country including pakistan. whatever the media says, it has an effect. >> so what do you think of the u.s. media? >> the e -- big egos. >> big egos? >> yes, and another problem with the u.s. media is it has had a huge impact on our editors in chief. what cnn was saying 20 years ago began to be the rule were basing it on. >> is that our fault or the fault of the editors back home? it is a fair question. >> i do not think you have to say it is some of these fall. for example, we sent some leads in france, and we began having
problems with our editors in chief because cnn was black or white and we were saying gray. and they would say we do not like gray because cnn says black. >> that is the problem. >> gary has a thought. >> when he was talking about the muslims are portrayed in this country, i think part of any group, you have to be proactive. one of the problems i think the muslim community has not done is really be aggressive, have the events and things that portray them differently. i think if you have your back against the wall and you have an attitude that is us against them, unfortunately you're not going to win. you are not going to move your agenda forward. i think a lot of groups have to do a better job of articulating the agenda. that is part of the problem.
i have been a foreign correspondent, working for the media. essentially, editors and reporters sometimes do things, and we tend to rely on sources. then the editors trust the reporters. so there's a way to really not manipulate but informed reporters at that level and make sure that reporters understands to get the story right. just cannot say that was idiotic and all american journalists are stupid. go to them. develop relationships. i am talking about governmental to civil societies in many nations that are upset with the american press. >> people here are people there have to tell a better story. >> yeah, the power to define yourself as part of the control. as african, french, every other
group, you have to really push your agenda with the western press. they're not going to write your story for you just like that. you have to not only have your own voice, but you have to be active in correcting information. if you do not do that, then we will see all the bad stuff. in our media, we have it as well. it might say the american leaders are terrible and the french and chinese and african media are wonderful. >> it is not a simple thing today -- to say. asian not come to religion. it should come to the person. if any person -- it should not come to religion. they should be the person. if a person did something good, that is the right thing. but if some people belong to a religion, it does not mean the whole region is bad. my question since 9/11, every newspaper in america and electronic media is focusing on islam.
they have an islamophobia. yes, some bad people that you should mention. like in oklahoma, the guy did something wrong and blasted a building. it does not mean all the christians are bad. if somebody did a bad thing and he is muslim, hindu, a christian, jewish, you should mention it, but you shot by all of the religion. any religion. right now, it is everywhere, every newspaper since 9/11 is only focusing on islam. why? >> go ahead. >> i just wanted to say that when it comes to foreign media and the problem we see in africa is the problem of the impression of the culture of western media. because when you go to africa
into any hotel, it is about cnn. >> is ever cut a country, by the way? you speak of it as one place. -- is an effort that a country? >> it is a continent. >> i have been too many african countries. >> can you talk about america as being one america? >> yes, it is. >> it is a continent of 53 countries. >> is the question is better to ask what is happening in the continent? >> well, i have been to most of the countries. i have been in africa. all you see is foreign content on television. it is difficult to even bid the local television when you go there. so that is part of the problem.
>> whose fault is that? >> that is a valid question. it is the fault of our government. for instance -- >> because they put on cnn. >> it is also the strength of the network. when the network became global, i mean, every five-star hotel should have cnn. whether you could to beijing, moscow -- >> you went back and said it was because of cnn and what they were putting on the air that everybody believed it and followed it. >> yes, i am saying exactly the same thing. this globalization of the american networks, because of their power, the power to have the signals wherever you are in nairobi, london, or moscow.
it is a very, very strong way to simplify everything. for me, because i am a text person, not a tv person. but some american channels, for me, are sometimes very appalling. unfortunately, it has become the trend because of the web sites, because of the shorter and the shorter and the twitter. all these getting shorter and shorter with explanation, and that means there's no explanation at all. >> for online video of all "this is america" programs, visit our website, thisisamerica.net. captioned by the national captioning institute --www.ncicap.org-- >> "this is america" is made possible by -- the national education association, the
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