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but she had a consoling secret: the dead still lived. mary lincoln: i want to tell you, emilie, that one may not be wholly without comfort when our loved ones leave us. if willie did not come to comfort me, i would still be drowned in tears. he lives, emilie. he comes to me every night and stands at the foot of my bed with the same sweet, adorable smile he always had. he does not always come alone. little eddie is sometimes with him. "sister mary's eyes were wide and shining when she told me this," emilie wrote. "it is unnatural and abnormal. it frightens me." lincoln convinced emilie to stay on as long as she could.
he was frightened, too. they continued to avoid talking about the war. it was the children-- emilie's daughter catherine and the lincolns' son tad-- who broke the silence. mary genevieve murphy: she and tad were on the sitting room floor looking at a magazine and tad said... there was a picture of lincoln... he said, "oh, here's the president." and catherine said, "no, that's not the president; jeff davis is president." and tad jumped up and down and said, "no, lincoln is president, hooray for lincoln!" and she jumped up and said, "hooray for jeff davis!" and just... they were about to come to blows and lincoln was standing in the doorway, so he came over with a chuckle and picked them up and put one on one knee and one on the other and said, "well, tad, you know who your... your president is and... and as for catherine, i'll just be her uncle lincoln."
mccullough: one night emilie and the lincolns were joined for dinner by general dan sickles and the blunt-speaking senator from new york, ira harris. harris asked why, when the country was calling upon all its sons to defend the union, 20-year-old robert lincoln was not in the army. mary said it was her fault. robert wanted to go; the president had wanted him to go; she had insisted he stay in college. harris had just one son and he was in the army, he said, turning to emilie, but if he had 20 sons, he would want them all fighting rebels. "and if i had 20 sons," emilie shot back, "they should all be opposing yours." general sickles, who had lost a leg at gettysburg, told the president he should not have that rebel in his house.
abraham lincoln: excuse me, general sickles. my wife and i are in the habit ofhoosing our own guests. we do not need from our friends either advice or assistance in the matter. mccullough: the tragedy of the civil war was being played out in the lincolns' own home. goodwin: the divisions of the war cut right into the heart of people's personal ties. families were being broken apart, loved ones were being pushed in different directions. and two sisters who wanted only to express their sadness and their loss with one another were prevented from doing so. mccullough: on december 14, lincoln gave emilie a pass for her trip home and put his arms around her. "i hope you do not feel any bitterness," lincoln told her,
"or that i am in any way to blame for all this sorrow." lincoln hoped she would come back the following summer. it would help to calm mary. "her nerves," he said, "have gone to pieces." "i believe if anything should happen to you or robert or tad," emilie told him, "it would kill her." on march 8, 1864, the lincolns were holding a reception in the east room. general u.s. grant arrived late. he had never met the president before, never even been to washington. "why, here is general grant," lincoln said. "this is a great pleasure, i assure you."
the next day, lincoln made grant a lieutenant general-- the first man since george washington to hold that rank-- and put him in charge of all the union armies. grant had won important victories in the west, had taken vicksburg, and everywhere he had shown a willingness to fight and keep fighting. but there were rumors that he drank too much and was too careless with the lives of his men. lincoln paid no attention. the president hoped he had at last found the commander he'd been looking for since the war began. long: lincoln recognized that war brought out the bulldog in grant. it brought out the tenacity. it brought out that... that aggression that was needed to command the northern armies to victory in this war. mccullough: grant proposed an all-out assault on the confederacy--
several union armies moving simultaneously to destroy the rebel forces. abraham lincoln: i wish to express my entire satisfaction with your plans so far as i can understand them. the particulars i neither know nor seek to know. donald: grant's ideas about fighting the war were lincoln's. as the war went on, lincoln more and more realized that you can't just wait for southern unionists to bring the states back into the union; you can't just have one battle and call it over; you can't just maneuver and play games of strategy. you simply must bludgeon the confederacy into surrender. (drums playing march cadence) mccullough: on may 6, lincoln got word that grant's massive army was marching south toward richmond through the tangled virginia forest known locally as "the wilderness."
somewhere in the thickets ahead of him, robert e. lee and 65,000 confederates were waiting. "if you see the president," grant said, "tell him from me that whatever happens, there will be no turning back." (cannon fire) (men shouting) (horses' hooves pounding) there was no turning back. the seven weeks of fighting that followed were some of the most savage ever seen. (cannon fire) the wilderness... (cannon fire) spotsylvania... (cannon fire) cold harbor... where 7,000 union soldiers were lost, most of them in the first 30 minutes.
in one week, grant lost 32,000 men. by june, he had lost more men than were left in lee's command. miller: grant brought a new conception of warfare. he stayed on robert e. lee's tail. he gets in close, like a boxer, like a body puncher. he's carrying out lincoln's wishes. lincoln said, "wherever lee goes, you go." all along, the north possessed the resources to bring this war to closure. it was... what they lacked was the will to do it and the persons to execute the will. i think lincoln had the will, and he found in someone like grant the person who was able to execute the plan.
mccullough: as news of the terrible losses spread, the country was appalled. even the president's wife was horrified. "grant is a butcher," mary lincoln told her husband, "and not fit to be at the head of an army." miller: day after day, week after week, the casualties mount and mount and mount. we could never accept casualties like that today. never... never. we would never fight a war like that. those casualties are unheard of in proportion to the population. mcpherson: lincoln said, "we outnumber the south by more than two to one. "even if we suffer two casualties to their one, in the end, there will be more of us left than them."
mccullough: the president could not sleep. he paced the white house corridors, dark rings beneath his eyes. "i feel," he confided to a friend, "as though i shall never be glad anymore." donald: the streets of washington were lined with ambulances full of wounded soldiers. lincoln was obviously moved when he saw these. he told a friend, "the weight of this, the sorrow of this, is simply more than i can bear."
you look at lincoln's photographs from this time... the furrowed brow... those tremendous lines down his face... the anguish in those eyes. it was not easy for him; it had a tremendous cost. but lincoln accompanied his tenderness with a desperate ferocity about ends. the end here could only be done by force. miller: lincoln called for 300,000 more men to bring this thing to an end. and he called for 6,000 more men from illinois. and there's this illinois delegation who felt that their state had been bled dry already by the war.
so they went to see the president at the white house. and basically they were saying to lincoln, "don't dip into our manpower pool for more troops. we've given enough to the country." now, these were the men who urged him to fortify fort sumter, the guys that are screaming for a war of terror, that are screaming for the suppression of the south. lincoln heard them out, and turned to them, his face contorted with anger. and he said, "you urged this war. "you urged not only a war, but a war of terror. "now you come here and tell me "that you're not going to provide the troops i need "to carry through the kind of war you demanded? (angrily): "this is the price you have to pay "for the policies you pressed on me. you go back to illinois and send me those boys."
mccullough: by june 15, grant's men had fought their way to within sight of richmond. then, the rebels stopped them at petersburg. grant had advanced 60 miles and lost 60,000 men-- three for every one lee had lost. "hold on with a bulldog grip," lincoln wired him. "chew and choke as much as possible." with the end of the war still nowhere in sight, calls for an end to the slaughter came from every quarter. the november presidential election was only four months away now, and lincoln was being assailed once again as inept, uncaring, a failure. his prospects looked grim. the election hinged on union victories, but grant was dug in at petersburg,
and the union troops under general william tecumseh sherman stalled as they drove toward atlanta. the democrats were about to nominate the former union commander, george mcclellan, still popular, still ambitious. lincoln believed mcclellan was likely to try to end the war by promising to rescind emancipation. mcpherson: the democrats thought that they had a real chance to win the 1864 election. lincoln was a discredited leader. the north appeared to be no closer to winning the war. cartoons appeared in democratic newspapers portraying lincoln as a widow-maker. that's what democrats called him, a widow-maker. and, indeed, if the election had been held in august of 1864, when northern morale was at its low point, i'm convinced lincoln would not have been reelected. mccullough: the democrats were calling for an immediate armistice and negotiations with the south.
the president came under intense pressure to discuss peace with jefferson davis. lincoln said, "i'm willing "to talk to jefferson davis about peace, "but here are my conditions: reunion and emancipation. i'm not going to back down." long: people condemned lincoln as the one reason why the war continued. "thousands of men are dying on a daily basis "because this president is determined to free the slaves. "mr. president, we didn't go to war "to free the slaves in the first place. why don't you give it up?" lincoln says, "can't do that. "the promise was made and the promise having been made, it must be kept." abraham lincoln: i desire so to conduct the affairs of this administration that if at the end, when i come to lay down the reins of power, i have lost every friend on earth,
i shall have at least one friend left, and that friend shall be down inside me. mccullough: late one evening that summer, mary lincoln and elizabeth keckley-- the seamstress who had become her confidante-- sat together in mary's room. the first lady asked mrs. keckley if she thought lincoln would be reelected. mrs. keckley said that despite everything, she did. mrs. lincoln seemed relieved. mary lincoln: if he should be defeated, i do not know what would become of us all. to me, there is more at stake in this election than he dreams of. mccullough: she had a terrible secret, she confessed.
she had once again plunged herself thousands of dollars into debt. mary lincoln: if my husband knew that i was involved to the extent that i am, the knowledge would drive him mad. if he is reelected, i can keep him in ignorance of my affairs, but if he is defeated, then the bills will be sent in and he will know all. goodwin: with the country's future at stake in the 1864 election, mary, who had once so cared about politics, who had been the anchor for lincoln through his early political career, would now find herself so obsessively concerned about the spending that had catapulted out of control that her only thought was, "he's got to win "so that my bills will get paid and he will not find out what i have been doing." mccullough: as election day drew nearer, elizabeth keckley remembered, mrs. lincoln was "almost crazy with anxiety and fear."
strozier: nothing else seems to have mattered. she talked about it, she worried about it. that kind of obsession... it's a substitute for all of the other... concerns in her life that she couldn't control: the public criticism, the distance of her husband, her own despair, and her deep, deep continued mourning over the death of willie. mccullough: on august 19, lincoln asked frederick douglass to come back to see him at the white house. he wanted douglass to recruit black men for a daring secret mission-- to make their way into the deepest south and encourage african americans still enslaved to escape to the union side before election day. lincoln was afraid that if he lost the presidency, slavery's grip would be reestablished in the south and he wanted to get as many slaves to freedom
as he possibly could. to frederick douglass, this proved that lincoln's concern for slaves was far more than mere politics. washington: douglass now saw lincoln as the black man's president. he was the only president who had ever held audiences with african americans, who had ever brought them in to tell them of his ideas. so he's the first president who recognizes african americans as a people and as part of america. mccullough: "in lincoln's company," douglass wrote, "i was never in any way reminded of my humble origin "or of my unpopular color. lincoln was not only a great president, but a greatan."
mccullough: three days after frederick douglass's visit, lincoln stood on the white house lawn to review the men of the 166th ohio regiment, about to go home on leave after hard fighting in the wilderness campaign. lincoln thanked them for their service and reminded them of the cause for which they fought. abraham lincoln: it is not merely for today, but for all time to come that we should perpetuate for our children's children this great and free government, which we have enjoyed all our lives. i beg you to remember this, not merely for my sake but for yours. i happen temporarily to occupy this big white house. i am a living witness that any one of your children may look to come here as my father's child has.
mccullough: but that august, it seemed unlikely that thomas lincoln's son would continue to occupy the white house for long. "i am going to be beaten," lincoln told a friend, "and unless some great change takes place, badly beaten." long: lincoln believes he is going to lose this election. and if lincoln loses that election, the south wins its independence. i think the future of the nation was at stake. this was the most important election in american history. mccullough: after more than three years of bloodshed, the great issues of slavery and secession still hung in the balance. next time on american experience...
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>> charlie: welcome to our program. in washington today the battle over raising the debt ceiling became more acrimonious. first from the speaker of the house, john boehner. >> i would call this plan less an perfect but it doesn't ensure the spending cuts will be greater than the hike and secondly there are no tax increases that are part of the plan. it's not cut cap and balance but it is built on the principles of cut, cap and balance to pass the united states senate as well as the united states house. time's running short. i'm urging my house colleagues toupport it and my senate colleagues to support it as well. >> charlie: then the president went on the air this evening to address the nation and talk about the incalculatable dama if an agreement isn't reached. >> basally the debate has centered around two different approaches. the first approach says let's
live within our means by making serious historic cuts in government spending. let's cut domestic spending to the lowest level it's been since dwight eisenhower was president. let's cut defense spending at the pentagon by hundreds of billions of dollars. let's cut out waste and fraud in health care programs like medicare and make adjustments so medicare is still there for future generations. finally, let's ask the wealthiest americans and biggest corporations to give up some of their breaks in the tax code and special deductions. this balanced approach asks everyone to give a little without requiring anyone to sacrifice too much. it would reduce the deficit by around $4 trillion and put us on a pass to pay downur debt and the cuts would be the be s abruy from helping businesses and
families get back on their feet naep approach is also birtisan. while ma aren't hpy with the cuts enough are willing to accept them this the burden is fairly shared. while the republicans would like to see deeper cuts and no revenue there are many in the senate that said yes, i'm willing to put politics aside and continue the approach because because i care about the problem and to his credit this is kind of approach the speaker of the house, john boehner was working on with me over the last several weeks. the debate isn't about making tough choices. democrat and republicans agree on the amount of deficit reduction we need. the debate is about how it should be done. most americans, regardless of political party don't understand how we can ask a senior citizen to pay more for her medicare before we ask a corporate je owner or the oil companies to
give up tax breaks other companies don't get. how can we ask a student t pay more for college before ask hedge fund managers to stop playing taxes at a lower rate then they're secretaries. how can we slash funding for education and clean energy before we ask people like me to give up tax breaks we don't need and didn't ask for pop. that's not right. that's not fair. we all want aot that lives within its means but therere still things we need to pay for as a country. things like new roads and bridges, weather satelte and od inspection. services to veterans and medical research. so defaulting on our obligations is a reckless and irsponsible outcome to the debate and republicans leader agree we must avoid default. but the new approach that speaker boehner unveiled today which would temporarily extend the debt ceiling in exchange for
spending cuts would force us to once again face the threat of default just six months from now. in other words, it doesn't solve the problem. but do you know what people are fed up with most of all? they're fed up with the town where compromise has become a dirty word. they work all day long, many of them scraping by just to put food on the table and when these americans come home at night bone tired and turn on the news all they see is the partisan three-ringed circus in washington and leaders that can't seem to come together and due what it takes to make lif just a little better for ordinary americans. they're offended by that and they should be. the americ people may have voted for divided government but they didn't vote for a dysfunctional government. >> charlie: and there was more. >> the united states cannot default on its debt obligations.
the jobs and savings of too many americans are at stake. we told the president in january was this, the american people will not accept an increase without reforms. it's not about president obama and republicans or congress and the white house. it's what's standing between the american people and the future we seek for ourselves and our families. i've always bref believed the b the government the smaller the people and we have a government so big it's sapping the drive out of people and keeping the government fromming from full capacity. the solution is not complicated. if you're spending more than your taking in you need to spe less of. there's no symptom more menacing than our debt and we begin to liberate our economy and our future. charlie: we'll are have much more on the story tomorrow from new york and washington.
also this evening phil mickelson. the great golfer stops to talk about higame and passions. >> i play my best when i'm challenged. the more challenging the shot the better i pull it off so i have to challenge myself. i can't hit a seven-iron lay-up shot if i can reach it way hybrid or three-wood i have to challenge myse. >> charlie: we conclud the evening with steve carell and the new film "crazy, stupid love." >> when people try to be funny it doesn't necessarily work that way you play it honestly and it evolves by that and by the same token if an actor is known for comedic work goes to do a drama you don't have to walk around with a frown on your face because you're on a drama.
captioning sponsored by rose communications from our studios in new york city, this is charlie rose. >> charlie: phil mickelson is here. he has won four grand slam events the masters and pga once and still looking for his first british open. he has won 39 times on the pga tour and beyond golf he has a passion to instill achievement in the classroom. he and his wife amy instilled the mobile one teachers academy
to improve childhood learning in math and science. i'mpleased to have phil mickelson at t table for the first time. >>hank you, charlie. we talked about this for years since we first talked about it. >> charlie: m doing the conference and sitting up and you're there and you and y are there and she had a head on her shoulder and i said these people have been married for a while but they look like teenagers. >> she's a special lady and has made life enjoyable for me. >> i couldn't believe how much you knew about so many topics so for me to come here is intimidating. i want you to know that. >> charlie: thank you. let's talk about the notion that we need high achievement in math and science if we can compete in the best sense of the world
internationay. >> you're right and reelly it will be a long-term solution. it's a plan we're trying to implement the last six, seven years to try to solve a 15, 20 year problem and most recently ranked 48th amongst coutries in math and science and that needs to ange. >> charlie: what do you do at the academ >> we need to inspire our kid in the fourth, fifth and sixth grades where they wair or a inspired. we're trying to give our third, fourth, and fifth-grade teachers the tools to inspire kids in the math and science fields. we want them to learn by asking questions to learn by doing oppose to learn big textbook. a lot of the teachers have not been given or acquired accreditations. 97% don't and have to teach a wide variety of subjects and not as confident. >> charlie: are your kids interested in math and science.
>> they love it and part of that is mom and dad and they're favoriteubjects are math and science. when we travel my wife amy takes them to museums throughout the country and world and they get to see different parts of the world and great assets of each city and ask questions. they ask about space. that's my fascination. >> charlie: she said he's an astronaut in a golfesody. >> that' a fair assessment. i've finally run out of things to talk about ieel like they have a good knowledge base. >> charlie: this is a combination of exxon-mobilehe company. what's the relationship there. >> we formed a partnership in 2005. i could never do this without a company like exxon mobile. there's no bigger company tt gives back than exxonmobile. they give back and their foundation gives hundreds o
millions every year and hire 14,000 scientist and engineers so this a perfectit for us to try to solve our achieve this goal that very long term. >> charlie: let's talk about golf as well. the british open. this is a friend of mine said please ask him about a three-foot putt so i'm asking you about a three-foot putt. >> i missed on 11 which i think ultimately cost me the tournament and derailed me and got me out of the mental focus i had. i get my mind slip and started focus go ahead. >> charlie: what darren clarke might do. >> i started thinking about the 12th hole. i'm on 11 and the next shot and how to birdie the next hole and other things than making this putt were going through my mind and that's something i have to
work on. i have to work on my focus. missing a three-foot putt is a mental focus. >> charlie: you call it a brain freeze. >> yeah. >> charlie: what ha happene at e round. >> i've had a few breaks throughs in links golf is one is getting a shot that doesn the wind so a drive that doesn't even have an apex to its flight and gets rolling on the ground quick and i've been able to get the ball in play better than i've ever had and didn't have a big miss. i didn't have a big miss the whole tournament because i was table to keep it on the ground and will help my links play in the future but almost got me to victory this year. >> charlie: when you're in a groove does the hole look this big when you're putting. what happens? >> it becomes more reactionry
like throwing a ball. you just throw a ball. when i'm playing like that i just see the target and swing and the ball goes where i want and when i'm putting the ball goes in the hole. >> charlie: when your phil mickelson do you have shots like weekend golfers like me do. >> usually there's something i'm working on but when i'm playing well it's not a swing thought as well as a swing feeling. >> charlie: a rhythm. >>'ll try to acquire the feel before i hit it. >> charlie: how do you do that with a practice swing or what? >> no, like a mental visualization and try to get the feel of the draw or fade shot. >> charlie: as a young golfer and amateur golfer and professional golfer and people talk two things about you, one is the incredible short game you have is that practice? is that something natural and gifted. >> it's practice and passion. i d a chipping green in my backyard and before i could go
to the course and drive myself there i would go to the backyard and chip and putt and i would get tired of hitting the same monotonous chip over and over and go behind the avacad avacad and when i'm in competition i feel comfortable trying the risky shots because i've done it before. >> charlie: one thing they said to you is you don't have to take the risky shots. sometimes the odds are against you. >> true, but here's the thing, charlie, i play my best when i'm challengeed the more challenging the shot the better i feel it and pull it off. i have to challenge myself. i can't just hit a seven-iron lay-up shot with a three-wood. part islaying the odds. if there's a st where i can't miss it and risk a shot to gain half a shot then i won't do it.
i try to be somewh mathmatical about it and analytical but there is a point as i said to bones in the final round at the masteron 13 i was in the trs and had to hit it between a couple trees and i said to bones after three times he tried to see make sure iwanted to do this i finally said, bones, listen at some point in the golf tournament if we're going to win we have to execute and trust my swing and my ability and execute the shot and this is the ime. i was able to do it and ended up winning the tournament. >> you put the shot how close? >> four feet and then missed the putt. that's what i mean, the easier the shot the more my mind wanders. >> charlie: i bet you won the tournament. >> but same at the british oep own. the hard the shot. >> charlie: will you work on that with someone else or something you will think through yourself? >> a bit of both.
i'll have to work with somebody for direction and the mind's like a muscle a the more you use it the better it is and have to practice harder on three-foot parts and i have a drill where i do 300 in a row and i didn' spend timen the short puttses that time. >> charlie: i once read that you were not necessarily a great driver. not in terms of distance or certainly in terms of keeping it in the fair way, is that fair? >> that's a fair assessment. >> charlie: is that true today? >> i don't feel it is true today -- i think in 2007. >> charlie: what you said of yourself not somebody else. >> i made an effort to address this and started working with butch arman and we have within focussin focussing on the drive ball and they've been much more refined to the point where i'm not playing from the trees as much.
i may play from the rough but not as far offline. as we stand here four years later 2011 i feel like my drive's never been as good. >> charlie: you mean in accuracy and distance? >> correct. but over the last t years i haven't been as mentally sharp or positive as i want to be on the golf course and i wanted to change and it was evident at the british open where i had a whole different mentality of being on the way back to playing the way i'd like to play and the way i always have played and with a much more positive fun outlook. you saw me smiling and i was enjoying the challenge and that brings out the best golf in me. when i try to zero in andlay focussed like tiger i don't play my best. i play tight and with pressure and don't play and swing freely. >> charlie: what was the genius of ben hogan? the consistency of the swing? >> he found out what was best for him.
the secret for him and every individual has to find out what works for your golf swing. look at j furyk it's different than anybody else and maybe wouldn't recommend it but he knows his golf swing better than anybody and if he's got water down the right he knows how to make sure in his swing it doesn't go right and that's how to control your miss and take the golf course out. >> charlie: what do you most understand about your swing? >> for me it's different. different than say anybody else but there are keys in my swing i'll do to take one side out of the fair way or not. for instance, once i have trouble my head position. if i keep my head back from impact i'm going pulling it a bit so if i have travel as a left handed golfer to the left give the club more time to close and if i have trouble down the right-hand side then i'll move forward giving the club less time to square up. >> charlie: what's the difference between good amateurs and good pros. >> short game.
>> charlie: it is short game? >> yeah, 70% of our shots are played within 50 yards. it's a huge percentage. we talk about science andhis is exactly how science has helped my game using math and statistics where to practice. it's not necessarily how well you put but where you putt from. th numbers are your favor. geing the chip shot inside a three-fo circle or four feet is so iorta relative to hitting it five feet that mathmatics you'll save 20% of your stroke. >> charlie: what's the difference in the execution of your game and let's say rory milroy. >> i don't know his game specifically but he's got a show game and the best is ballesteros. >> charlie: he was a hero of yours? >> he was and i watched him play
as a kid. >> charlie: and a risk taker. >> very much and that charisma and the go-for-it style but his technique and feel and touch d creativeness the ability to see shots befo he tried to play -- >> charlie: you wanted to play like he played? >> i did. >> charlie: it was said you were watching the masters a home and you watch somebody walk up to palmer on the 18th and said some day i'm going win the master. >> it was when he was winning the masters on 18 on the last fairway and giving it fist pumps and i turned to my mom and he had i want to win the tournament. >> charlie: what's in instructive for you is you're consntly examining andooking at your game whether it's a short gamer i understan they
got you to show up and play the week before the masters the year you won it first time. >> yeah so in 2004 was the first year i won and i said i need help and guidance. >> charlie: what you said was interesting, if you can help me with a quarter of a shot over four rounds that's one stroke. i can win. >> right. and that's what i won by one stroke. >> charlie: what do you say? >> we're dealing with fractions that the point and he said my goal is to ve you play a major ampionship without surprises. what that means is if i hit a good shot i don't want to hit in a shot where i don't have another shot or miss in the wrong spot. i want to know if i hit a good shot it's playable. everybody's going hit ba shots and if i miss in the wrong spot and take a bogey that's fine but we don't want for me to hit a good shot and not have a shot from there and we hit multiple shots from the areas i was going play and knew the pin on two
middle left i have to be to the right and so i would hit the ball in his second shot 40, 50 yards away and practiced so in the tournament i knew how i'd react. >> charlie: many of us that are plans and play the game h to hope for a mickelson-tiger woods rivalry. will that ever happen? >> when he was playing his best he brought me to my best but never had head-to-head rivalry but in the final group he beat me good and in 2007 my head-to-head record against him from betting beat like a drum i started pulling ahead and my record's been better but we haven't been able to do that in a major championship yet. >> charlie: what are your expectations for im? >> there's nobody in the game that's received or benefitted
more from tiger than myself. >> charlie: because? >> for a number of reasons. for one he dve the purse up and drove up the tv ratings and increased the marketing expectations as his performance off the golf course and companies would pay him the value -- >> charlie: raised the endorsement value. >> that raises the value for all players on tv and nobody's been able to capitalize on that better than i have and i will always be appreciative for what he's done for me and my family and my game of golf. >> charlie: at best how good was his game? >> beyond description. i've seen him hit shots that nobody else in the game could hit. >> charlie: li what? give me an example. >> we were playing in flint, michigan and i could maybe hit a drive and run up a three wood and if i landed a three wood on the green it would release in
the back and he hit a two iron on that hole that rose and climbed so high in the air when it fell down it ce invertcally and the ball stoppedtown six inches of the divet and there's nobody else in the game that could have hit that. >> charlie: do you think if he had stayed healthy and played kind of golf he did before all the events that ha happened in life you could have beaten him head-to-head. >> in the lastew years i have been able to so i believed it even when i wasn't achieving it. i thought it was possible and he brought out my best game and got me to work harder and practice harder. >> charlie: like mcenroe and borg and he to this day is so upset he retired believes the competition and borg's game made him as good as he was. >> i agree wh that and i agree
you need someone to push you and in high school i had a rival and in college another would go out and practice and push each other to get better and stlag common opponent is drive you helps you. >> charlie: do you think how many ma majors you could win. >> i believe i'm playing better golf than i have and the coming four and six years will give me the best oortunity to win majors and compete. >> charlie: so you may win four? >> i don't want to put a number on to but give myself an opportunity to contend >> charlie: how's amy. >> she's great but still day to day challenges. >> charlie: no one who saw the masters will ever forget that moment.
>> that's something we will cherish. it was a neat moment and she's been travelling. she came with me to the british and scottish open and that was so fun for me. it was a step back to normal is a. >> chaie: and darren clarke has be a friend? >> he was. onof the first person we talked to. >> charlie: he lost his wife to breast cancer. >> he gave us a lot of insight for this. >> charlie: great to see you congratulations on the academy and golf and congratulations to you and your wife and amy. >> it was my pleasure, thanks, charlie. >> charlie: steven carell is here and best known for movies like the 40-year-old virgin, little miss sunshine and date
night. >> a scandal surfaced today when -- [ speaking gibberish ] >> somebody get water. >> it looks like my newcoanchor needs water. >> i would like to extend an invitation to the pants party. excuse me? >> the parts party. the party with pants. >> areou saying there's party in your pants and that i'm invited? >> that's it. >> hmm. did brn tell you to say this? >> yes, he did. >> okay. noi dot want to go to a party in your pants. >> very well. ian, would you like to go to a party in my pants? >> no, rick. >> all right. let's go. you mind if i use your magnum?
>> um, yeah. wow. you got to be kidding. i am aquaman. >> if you sleep until your 18, just think of the suffering you're going miss. i mean, high school? high school, those are your prime ffering ars. you don't get better suffering than that. >> well, that was just a big fat waste of time. the king of siam is going to be livid. >> thank you for all your help and i am being sarcastic. come on. mother... did she leave the room when she takes phone calls or shower before sex or after sex -- >> yeah, she does all that. >> michael, do not let your
imagination run amuck? >> what? >> amuck. it means don't let it run out of control. >> why didn't you say that. >> just don't let it. >> easy for you to say. i live in a fantasy world and i can't stay in a relationship full of lie and deceit. >> charlie: he's been nominated for an emmy on nbc's the office after seven years he left at the end of this season. the latest movie we'll talk about this evening is "crazy, stupid love." here's the trailer for that. >> 25 years of marriage and you have nothing to say. i'll say it i slept with someone. >> if you keep talking i'm getting out of the car. >> just the fact i did it means year broken >> okay. >> your getting a divorce? >> yea >> amy heard you crying in the
bathroom. we all thought it was ncer. >> no, just my relationship. >> hi, can i buy you a drink. what are you doing later? i don't know. >> i do. >> there's lots of beautiful women in e bar but i can't take my eyes off of you. >> can you pull the car around? i'll drive. >> any tips of the trade. >> youe wife cheated on you because you lost sight of who you are as a man. >> take the straw out of your mouth. it looks like you're sucking on a -- okay. >> you'r sitting there way super cut haircut wearing a 42 when you should be a 40 regular. >> where's your wallet. >> geez, god. >> you would? >> you have to take control of your manhood, pal. >> put on clothes, please. >> sorry, is thi bothering you? beautiful. [♪] >> what do you want to do with
me. >> show you off to my ex-wife and make he her really jealous. >> i met a girl and she's the game-changer. >> she's your soul mate. go get her back. >> wow, how old are you? >> i'm in love and i don't know what to do about it. >> i don't know when you and i stopped being us. when i told you i had to work late i saw the twilight movie by myself. it was so bad. >> i should have fought for you. >> take off yourshirt. >> why? >> take off your shirt. seriously? it's like your photoshopped.
>> charlie: i'm pleased to have steve carell back in the table, welcome. >> do you have any more clips of me? i just want to see more of myself. >> charlie: i wanted to see if you were hiding your eyes. >> i'm all on a loop. >> charlie: this is your life. welcome. >> thanks. >> charlie: tell me about the movie what we didn't learn from the trailer. >> that's basicall it. >> charlie: a guy who's wife runs out on him and jumps out a car and ryan gosgossling tells everything he needs to know about a movie. >> you think it's about a wingman and a guy getting on the dating pool but it's about relationship and love and differ types of love. >> charlie: and somebody said it's about if you mind your soulmate, fight for her. >> i'm getting a lot