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i'm chris wallace. the front-runner in the gop presidential race, donald trump, face-to-face only on "fox news sunday."
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million people watched the republicans finally admit it. ...the committee investigating benghazi and created to destroy her candidacy..." "everybody thought unbeatable, right? but we put together a benghazi special commi a much less receptive audience. shows up. >> the barefoot contessa, all right now on "fox news sunday." hello again from fox news in washington. well, it took a while, but donald trump finally agreed to an interview on "fox news sunday." i had asked him some tough questions in the big fox debate, which he didn't like, and he made that very clear. now two months later, he sat down for an in-depth interview this weekendty trump national golf club outside of washington.
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his latest dustup with jeb bush over 9/11, and why he fires back at reporters like me. it was vintage trump. mr. trump, good to see you again. >> thank you. >> it's become almost a cliche in this political cycle that people are fed up with politicians, but back when you announced in june, most of the so-called experts, including me, that you had no chance and people would end up voting with somebody with political experience. how did you know that discontent, frustration with the mood? >> i felt it from within. we have tremendous discontent in the country, tremendous problems in the countries and i felt it early on, or i wouldn't have done t i see tremendous discontent. >> before we dig down in some issues, i want to be how much of a disruptor you would be. let's do a quick lightning round. would you be willing to use the debt limit and risk the country
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going into default to get more spending cuts? >> i would use the debt limit december i want to be unpredictability, because we want unpredictability. everything is so predictable with our country. i would be very strong on the debt limit, asking for a big republicans. have two sides. the smaller side is very strong, and the other side is alternates agreeing. you know, you can't do that. >> would you be willing to shut down the government in order to defund planned parenthood or push some other key policy bills? >> i do not want to say that, because i want to show unpredictability. you can't just go around and say that. planned parenthood should absolutely be defunded. if you look at what's going on with that, it's terrible and many other things should be defunded and many other things cut. you want in your august you're quote, fine with
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conservatives say the time for that preferential treatment has come and gone? >> it's fine, we have it, but there's coming to a time where we won't need it. it has served its place. it has served its time. some people have loved it. some people don't like it at all, but i think there will be a time where you don't need it. you have one of the few candidates that have come out with a detailed tax plans. you would sit the seven brackets down to four. you could cut the corporate tax rate from 35% to 15. you would limit deductions for higher income earners, and eliminate carried interest, preferential tax treatment for hedge funders. >> what is the thinking. we have the highest tax rate in the world. there's gridlock in washington, because there's no leadership. what i'm doing is a large tax cut, especially for the middle class, and we're going to have a dynamic country.
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we're going to have dynamic economics, and it's going to be special really special, and people are going back to work. >> but there are two concerns. the conservative tax foundation says that over ten years, you would create -- you would add $10 trillion to the deficit, and there's also the question of who plan? the tax foundation says the middle-class would sees after-tax income tax increase. and so between that and ending the estate tax, the trump family and folks like you, would make out great. >> the estate tax has been a disaster, first of all it's double taxation, some could say it's triple. >> how about you could blow the hole in definite deficit? >> the economy is very sick. we're losing or jobs to china, to japan, to every country, we're making horrible trade deals. we are losing jobs in this
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country,s and hundreds and thousands of jobs are being lost. part of the reason is the taxes are so high. i'm also cutting -- they don't talk about that, and i'm doing that in a different policy segment that we're going to be announcing. >> cutting spending. we're going to be cutting tremendous amounts of money and waste and -- >> would you cut departments? >> no, i'm not cutting services, but i'm cutting spending. i may kept the department of education. i believe we should be educating our children from iowa, from new hampshire, from south carolina, from california, from europe, i think it should be local education. if you look at a jeb bush, they want them to be educated by washington, d.c. bureaucrats, so department of education is one. environmental protection, what they do is a disgrace. every week they come out with new regulations. >> we'll be fine with the environment. you can't destroy businesses.
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you would end nafta, killed the pacific trade agreement, impose tariffs on some products like 35% on cars made in mexico. "wall street journal" says that you are running as, quote, the most antitrade candidate sis herbert hoover. >> first of all "wall street journal" was bought for $5 billion. it's not worth $500 million. okay? they don't have to tell me what to do "wall street journal" has been wrong about so many different times. i'm all about free trade, but it's got to be fair. when ford moves their massive plant to mexico, what do we get out of it? >> i want to pick up on that. >> no, no, the point is i don't want them to move their plants. i want them to stay in michigan. i want them to stay in the places they are or expand into other places, but i want it to gets in united states. i don't want them to go to mexico. i don't want them to go to china. >> the conservative american
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donald trump, he owns a dozen hotels, proceeds all over the world, your trump collection clothing line, some of it is made in mexico and china. >> that's true. i want it to be made here. >> the point they say is you're doing just what ford is, taking advantage of a global trade market. >> i never dispute that. i put it in my speeches, the ties are made in china and different things. i don't want that. i just started 4,000 television sets. now where he where them come from? south korea. yesterday we defend them for practically nothing. i don't want to order them from south korea. i don't think anybody makes television sets in the united states anymore. i want to order from here. i talk about it all the time we don't make anything anymore. boeing is going to china, building a massive plant, because china is demanding it to order the planes. i don't want that. i don't want that. >> i saw that eminent domain is wonderful. >> i don't say wonderful.
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i say it's something that you need, chris. if i build a highway -- i know exactly what you're saying. if i build a highway and something is in the way, you're going to have to do something. >> i understand that. that's the idea of taking private property for a purpose use, but -- >> and by the way, the people get paid for it. >> i understand. but in the kilo case, the big supreme court case in 2005, they took somebody's home, sold it, bought it, and then they sold it to private entrepreneurs. private developers. >> that's different. >> i know, but do you support taking private property for private use? >> if somebody has a property in the middle of a 7,000-job factory, as an example and it's going to provide 7,000 jobs in a community that is dies, i am for
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that, that's a big economic development. remember this, all of these people, they're friends of mine, they all love the keystone pipeline. they're building that pipeline without eminent domain. >> in atlantic city, you had your hotel, you wanted to build a parking lot. some woman had her house. >> and saved me a fortune. >> why do you need to take her house for a parking lot? >> because i have a hotel, in order to expand the hotel and add 2,000 rooms, i would have had to take -- the 2,000 rooms would have provided about 2,500 jobs. ultimately offered a lot of money, she didn't take it. i didn't build the job. it saved me money. i had the good sense to leave seven years ago. i got very lucky. that would have been a good eminent domain. you would have provided thousands of jobs. this woman couldn't have cared less about her house. all she wanted was money.
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>> something you said on friday has stirred up controversy. >> when you talk about george bush, say what you want, the world trade center came down during -- >> hold on, you can't blame him for that. >> he was president. don't blame him or blame him -- >> jeb bush responded with a tweet -- how pathetic. question -- do you blame george w. bush for 9/11? >> jeb bush says we were safe with my brother. the world trade center just fell down. i'm not blaming anybody. when he said we were safe, that's not safe. we lost 3,000 people. it was probably the greatest that cass trophy in this greatest country. >> what would you have down? >> i would have been much different. i am extremely, extremely tough on illegal immigration. i'm extreme slid tough on people
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i believe that if i were running things, i doubt that those people would have been in the country. so there's a good chance that those people would not have been in our country. with that being said, i'm not blaming george bush, but i don't want jeb bush to say my brother kept us safe, because september 11th was one of the worst days in the history of this country. there's much more to come of our interview with donald trump. we asked him about where he stands in the polls, the shots he takes at politicians and reporters, and if he's the republican nominee, how he will take on hillary clinton. you don't want to miss it. first our sunday group on hillary clinton's testimony this week before the house benghazi committee. plus if you were on the committee, what would you ask clinton?
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twitter point out this committee is basically an arm of the republican national committee. setting the stage for her testimony on thursday. time for our group, brit hume, lisa lerer who covers politics for the associated press. syndicated columnist george
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washington post". grit, i don't think that there's any doubt that hillary has been helped by a couple reps who basically said the committee was all about trying to hurt her poll numbers, but he has to testify before them. they're going to be asking her questions on the basis of their 17-months investigation. given that, what do you expect from the committee? what do you expect from her? >> a long experience has taught me, committee hearings, particularly those that are publicized, do not live up to expectations. the watergate committee was really quite a bit bipartisan. a number of republicans decided to join the posse to pursue richard nixon and his admiration.
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the question hassal ping-ponged back and fourth, when breaks up lines of questioning, so it's a format that favors the witness. as we saw in the debate, hillary is a capable advocate, especially for herself they may produce things we haven't seen before, but i wouldn't be certain that that's going to happen. >> of course. that's really the point. we don't know what we don't know. the committee has been going on for 17 months. they have talked to dozens of witnesses, read thousands and thousands of e-mails -- we're getting ahead of ourselves here, guys, that haven't been come into evidence before, but we asked you for questions for the committee. suzanne pearson said this on facebook -- why did she lie and say this this was a video when she knew it was a terror attack? and this tweet low pressure will she be hooked up for a lie
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detector? lisa, what do you hear from the clinton campaign? how worried are they? >> the clinton campaign certainly publicly is putting on a strong face that they think this is a committee that's a purely partisan exercise, they're going to overreach. they'll go beyond the scope of just benghazi. they argue that hillary clinton has been testifying before congress for a very long time. it's a forum she's comfortable with, but her schedule is awfully clear for monday, tuesday, wednesday, which leads one to believe she's spending a lot of time prepping for this committee, this hearing. they know it's a very important moment for her. october is the point for her to right the ship. >> but this is basically -- if it's a question of rhetoric, she's going to win. the question is, are there facts? do you get any sense from them
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that they worry the committee may have come up with a new fact? >> they're slightly worried about surprises, but i don't think that's a major concern. this is a sloe drip of the e-mails right until there's a court-ordered mandate that every month there's a tranche of they e-mails that come out. so her campaign that is reconciled themselves to the fact that they are going to be living with this issue for the duration of this campaign, certainly for the primary, probably through the general election. so even if there are new facts that come out, they've sort of made their peace with it, and they're ready and engage to spin necessary. then there's president obama, who reportedly angered the fbi agents who have been investigating the e-mails by declares on qush 60 minutes quest there was no wrongdoing. here is the president. >> i can tell you this is not a situation in which america's national security was
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endangered. >> george, is the fbi being too sensitive about that comment? or do you think the president was trying to put his thumb on the scales of justice, basically sending a message lay off of hillary clinton. >> it's not being too sensitive. we've seen this minute uet before. when the irs immediately said -- as the investigation or noninvestigation began, the president said, this is terrible stuff going on. then he sat down with bill o'reilly, i believe it was on super bowl sunday. >> it was indeed. >> and there was not a smidgen of evidence. whether or not that intimidated the department of justice, we don't know. we don't even know if this department of justice needs intimidation intimidation. there are impeachment proceedings against the current director of the i.r.s., who is
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continuing the cover-up. a lot of members of the house want this to happen. fast forward now to what we just saw. the president says against before an investigation, or before he knows about the investigation, and he certainty shouldn't know what the fbi is doing, he prejudges what they are finding or not finding. now, of course they should feel if not intimidated -- i don't fbi. i should say in full disclosure my son is an fbi agent -- >> is he on the case? >> no, he's not. but again, this takes place in the context conditioned by the david petraeus case wherein some similarities are -- >> just quickly pointed out david petraeus the great military general, but the cia director. >> if mr. obama actually knows there was no security implication of this, then presumably mr. biden knows that.
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president was firing a shot acrow the bow at the fbi, he's worried that perhaps mr. biden has information about legal jeopardy that hillary clinton is in. >> man, that is complicated. we're going to get back to biden in a moment, but i want to pick up on hillary clinton and the debate. by all can see she had a strong debade and stade yesterday a campaign that seemed to be in trouble. there was one curious moment when she was asked about which of her enemies she was most proud of. here is the answer. >> well, in addition to the nra, the health insurance companies, the drug companies, the iranians, probably the republicans. >> the iranians and the chuck, afterwards clinton said she was just kidding. was she? >> well, i don't think so.
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i think she feels very much hostile to the republicans and they feel very hostile to her. what struck me there was the question is what's your one enemy? and she sort of hogged it and took five enemies. she's equating the nra with the iranians, and so on and so forth, but you know, the way that played on television, though, i think was a net plus. she was at ease. that was the nature of her performance all the way through that debate. i think she slayed a lot of dragons that evening that have been bothering her in this campaign. she comes into this benghazi hearing on an up note, which just to go back to the benghazi hearing, we shot she would become hounded and harassed. with confidence. she's been handed a couple of
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mccarthy and company. what we've also seen is where the witness turns i wouldn't be surprised if she's looking for a way to do that. >> i think it comes down to the facts. either the committee has come up with something in 17 months or they haven't and that will be the key. in the time we have left, the continuing mystery of joe biden and whether or not he's going to get into this race. lisa, this is what you do for a living. what can you tell us? >> i think nobody really knows except for joe biden and a couple close advisers. >> but every day he waits, it gets harder. hillary clinton with $30 million in the bank, bernie sanders with close to $30 million. 22 people in nevada alone, sanders is making inroads. >> biden had one of the his closest people, the person who
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replaced him in the senate when he became vice president, send a note out to the supporters, keeping your powders dry, if i get in, i'll need you yesterday, then he's talking to the head of the firefighters. i mean, he sure is making an effort to stay in the conversation. >> he certainly want to leave the option for him to get into the race. he's watching this as closely as anybody else. >> does he wait through the benghazi hearing? >> i think so. he wants to see how she performs, whether there's a new fact that comes out that make her untenable at a candidate, but coming in this late it's a tough road. 30 seconds, britt, you're a longtime biden watcher. i'm not asking you to predict, but your feeling about what's going on? >> i think the post debate
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and i think that has to discourage him. i think the innervating effects of what they feels about the death of his son weigh on him. he's 72 years old. this is a horribly hard slog, an uphill battle for him. so i think he has less reason to get in than a week ago, which doesn't mean he won't do it anyway. when we come back, we'll have part 2 of our interview with donald trump. hear what he has to say about carly fiorina, calling him out over the fuss of that nbc debate, and re this is a story about doers, the artificial heart, electric guitars and rockets to the moon. it's the story of america- land of the doers. doin' it. did it. done. doers built this country. the dams and the railroads. john henry was a steel drivin' man hmm, catchy. they built the golden gates and the empire states. and all this doin' takes energy -no matter who's doin'. there's all kinds of doin' up in here. or what they're doin'.
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the republicans finally admit it. >>"republican kevin mccarthy saying ...the committee investigating benghazi and clinton's emails was created to destroy her candidacy..." "everybody thought hillary clinton was unbeatable, right? but we put together a benghazi special committee... what are her numbers today?" republicans have spent millions attacking hillary... ...because she's fighting for everything they oppose... ...from affordable health care. equal pay... she'll never stop fighting for you. and the republicans know it. >>i'm hillary clinton and
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ity. why does trump take shots at the other candidates? why does she taye up at night sending out tweets? we think you'll find it revealing. >> let's look at the polls, you are leading everywhere, you're leading nationally, leading in all the early states. nationally you're at 23.8%, leading, down seven points in the last month. in iowa, down six points.
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let me make it clear. you are still leading. why do you think your numbers have gone down? >>. >> i don't think they've gone done. wet a reuters come out, and nevada come out, i'm 20 points ahead of second place. we had one come out in south carolina where you're 18 or 20 points ahead. the polls have been better than they have ever been. what you're doing is a little bit obsolete information, that's okay, but look, i'm leading in everything. >> late this week you forced, i think it's fair to say, you and ben carson forced to change the ground rules of the debate. carson carson. she said first of all, what are you scared about standing up for three hours? then she said this. >> they also apparently asked for prepared statements. prepared statements are what politicians do, so two outsiders supposedly, they sound a lot like politicians tonight to me.
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>> first of all, she's gone nowhere. she's dropped like a rock. i could stand there for 12 hours. i could stand there for 20 hours, but the people can't take it. who wants to watch a debate for three hours? i couldn't watch hillary for an hour and a half. when i heard it was a three-our debate that was onnen to make more money, i said i'm not going to participate. i thought the cnn debate was ridiculous, it was too long. people were turning off. who is going to watch a debate that long? it used to be one hour. it used to also get no ratings, both cnn and fox broke the television. do you have any idea why? >> i think maybe it was because of the moderators. >> i think so. >> which brings me to the question of temp rabbit, which i think you would agree is >> right. >> first of all, what is the deal with the tweets? why are you sitting at night watching tv and tweeting?
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>> i think it's a great why of getting my word out. between that and facebook i have like 10 million followers. now, if you do something bad to me, i can tweet about chris and the world will be seeing it. >> and you have. >> you know what? truthfully it's an amazing way of getting the word out. >> does mrs. trump ever say, donald, turn off the tv and come to bed. >> i don't usually do that much. we're in a modern age. we have to get with it. twitter and facebook and all of this stuff is to me, for some reason, i'm probably not the youngest person using it, but for some reason it works well. for the debate -- i'm talking about the democrat debate. they use democratic. it's usually democrat, you know that. but the democrat debate, i picked up more followers by many times than anybody else. there were those who said i won the debate back i picked up the followers. i think it's a great modern way
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during the campaign you have called marco rubio a puppet, jeb bush low energy, rand paul a lightweight and just this week, byrnies sanders a maniac. >> and a communist. >> do you think that's presidential? >> look, i'm running against a lot of people. they come out and attack me very viciously. very viciously. perry, i thought he was a nice guy, always a friend of mine, all of a sudden, boom i hit him very hard. i hit rand paul very hard. i'm a counter puncher. i don't have a choice. if you look at what they say about me, it's terrible. bon,jindal, you talk about lightweights, this guy is a real lightweight. i don't even know this man, and they're not had thing me on facts, but in order to try to pick up something in the polls. the thing i'm most honored about, every single person that went after me, including jeb
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bush, who is down, boom, every single person that went after me is gone way down. that's what the country needs. the country needs a leader that when the country gets hit, we're going to come out on top. we're going down. our country is going down. >> i want to bring up the subject, hear me out, you and me. during the debate i asked you a question about bankruptcies. >> right. >> sudden i thought gave a fine answer. >> first of all, you're living in the world of make believe, chris. >> i gave you my best answer. >> then for about a week you go after me, blood is pouring out of my eyes, compare me unfavorably to my father, and i agree, he's one of a kind. here's my question -- you're running for president. we talked to chris christie about bridgegate. >> and carly fiorina --
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>> my question -- are you thin-skinned? >> no, only when somebody says something that's false. the bankruptcy, i use that as a tool. out of hundreds and hundreds of deals. i've used it four times -- >> but it was just a question. >> i know, but the way it was phrased. i could see the eyes. >> i don't even know what was coming out. >> i used it -- it was phrased incorrectly. i wouldn't have asked they people about bankruptcy, and i've used it -- >> i asked carly fiorina about hewlett-packard. >> that one is easy. she destroyed the company. i'm not thin-skinned -- if i did something wrong, i can handle that and if the presses bad -- it's when people hit me when i didn't do anything wrong. then i will fight back. you saying my father covered you in a much fairer manner, so
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i decided to go back and look at your first profile on "60 minutes." he also talked about the fact that you weren't a controversy then. the allegation was that you were trying to throw middle-class people out of a rent-controlled building. >> they called the arrogant and cruel, does that get under your skin? >> no, because you see, i think i'm right. when i think i'm right, nothing bothering mess. >> i've been doing this for a long time. >> whatever happened to the nice, soft-spoken young man. >> i know, i know. >> was that a fair question? >> i thought it was fair. time. not to press my luck, but true or false, you at one point considered and tried to put homeless people in some of those apartments to force the tenants to moved out. >> no, i talked about doing it, and i talked about doing it as a >> a charity? >> no, no, i was thinking about doing that.
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would have been nice and charitable, but you have wealthy people paying like $200 like on unfair. finally hillary clinton it committee this week. what is it you would like to find out about her role in benghazi and about her e-mails? i think things will be revealed. personally i think that hillary was one of the worst, if not the worth -- i mean, if you look at the record, secretaries of state ever, ever in this country. i think that's the bigger problem. i don't think benghazi is as big a problem as her past. the world blew up around her. everything went back, whether it's libya, whether it's her tenure in iraq, and there's been plenty of bad tenures in iraq because of the length. things that happened during her tenure were a disaster. i think she's probably going to go down as the worth secretary of state in the history of this country.
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i think that will be what i -- i will tell you that would be what i will be campaigning on. what's going to happen in benghazi, i looked forward to it. it will be interesting. >> if you turn out to be the nominee, and she's the democratic nominee, how would you take -- >> i would take her on on her record. >> mr. trump -- >> thank you very much. >> thank you, chris. a great honor. up next, our sunday group reacts to the interview with donald trump, and we'll discuss president obama's bit shift, announcing he'll keep u.s. troops in afghanistan beyond his time in the white house. plus what do you think? did mr. obama make the right decision in afghanistan? should he have isn't in more troops?
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i'm not blaming george bush, but i don't want jeb bush to say my brother kept us safe, because september 11th was one of the worst days in the history of this country. donald trump in our interview standing firm on his statement that president bush did not keep this country safe. we're back now with the panel. britt, your reaction to the trump interview, his comments thing. >> you did fine, he did fine, i say that meaning to his supporters who are pretty stable 20 to 25, 27% he diseverything we're accustomed to him doing that they love. blunt, outrage out at times in certain ways, but highly entertaining. i could see as you were doing the interview, you were cragging up yourself.
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compelling. >> i have got to tell you, lisa, i know all of us dismiss trump early on, all of us, the so-called experts, the summer fling, moment tear amusement. as i watched that interview, i heard what he had to say about the country and about trade and about losing, and just the sheer force of his personality, i am beginning to believe he could be states? >> well, i'm not going to take that bet, but i will say by the conventional rules -- >> you would take that bet? you think i'm wrong? >> i'm not going either way. i don't know. by the convention at rules, this guy should have been out of the race a long time ago. and we shouldn't have him being jump a presence, as the front-runner in this primary, so he's defying all these rules. with the next debate will be an
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interesting moment. he did seemed to fade from the stage a bit when the last debate got a little more policy oriented. he does look ace board. >> it was three hours long. >> flying around in your jet from your various penthouses around the world is a lot more fun than running for president. so there is a question at some point, does he himself get tired of this process? >> i have to tell you, i don't think he's the least bit tired. he flew up for an event in new hampshire on friday. he was down in virginia not just to do the interview. he was making a speech in virginia. george, i know you're going to look at me and shake your head. the voters are angry, they are fed up, they want something different, they want somebody to knock down the pillars of the temple, he's their man.
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>> i know someone who is a reply call seasoned veteran, who asset a gathering of hispanic businessmen in virginia, half the room of hispanic business men this veteran estimated were for trump. again, this is outrageous, it's just not factual. he said you can't buy a television in the united states. when he gets to south carolina, the third state in the nominating process, he can go visit the factory where they're >> right. there is a lot of people who say it, and i have to say, i agree, country. >> but we do. >> zenith, motorola, remember companies? they're all gone. >> not all. >> well, most -- you don't think that's a legitimate complaint this country? >> i do not. i think that -- in fact we're delighted and not complaining about the fact that the iphone
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you have in your pocket says designed in california, assembled -- not manufactured -- assembled in china from parts from all over the world. the idea of where you manufacture a product in today's world makes very little sense. >> please direct all of your e-mails for mr. will. go ahead. >> maybe in the sane vein as george, i want to bring this down to earth, i hope. the interview you did so well affected me on two levels. i found myself smiling, laughing at times at his performance, feeling very entertained, but when i read the transcript, looked at the words, none of it made any sense. he said we have too much predictability in this country. i want to be unpredictable. that is a new campaign slogan. vote for me, who knows what i'll do in the white house. [ laughter ] >> the next minute after he says how great little to be
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unpredictable, he says we parenthood. action. it's a fully digested issue, on that. not donald trump, who wants to be the leader of the conservative party. it's an incredible disconnect between the affect, and demeanor and show he puts on, and the actual substanceb hind it, which i insist is still lacking. you're right. he's tapped into a great deal of angst and people don't like the fact that we don't make anything here in this country anymore. that too is a biof a myth for the reasons george says, but we're seeing a huge democrat station between feeling and fact and politics. let big news this week, president obama who made a big reversal on afghanistan after pledging for months that he was
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going to pull ought u.s. troops out of the afghanistan except for about 1,000 that would have been at the u.s. embassy at a contingent to safeguard that. he announced this week that he is going to keep 9800 troops in afghanistan basically through next year, trending down to 5500 by the time he leaves office. here is the president. while america's combat mission in afghanistan may be over, our commitment to afghanistan and its people endures. as commander in chief, i will not allow afghanistan to be used as a safe haven for terrorists to attack our nation again. britt, why do you think the president changed his mind and like goldilocks, is it too much? too little? or just right? >> on point number one, i think he changed because he's afraid we're going to have an obvious catastrophe on our hands in afghanistan and end up back where we started while he's
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that is something to which he is very averse he prefers to have his failures become manifest or most clearly after he's gone. on the second point, we are losing ground over there, our mission, our cause, our hoped-for results is fading with about 10,000 troops present. so what he proposes to do is continue that troop left, which isn't enough, but maybe enough to stave off an utter collapse. if he wanted to fix this or changes the fortunes, he would have to do more. he doesn't want to do that. >> you talked about the fact he doesn't want to see a disaster. legacies? he really wanted to be the en -- but on the other hand he didn't want to be the president who saw another iraq or afc. >> and afghanistan has been repeatedly cat guysed by democrats as a good war.
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said we took our eyes off the ball in afghanistan to go fight in iraq. so there's a certainly political attachment to the afghanistan effort that does not exist in his mind, i think for other -- >> the big event was the take of a large city called kunduz followed by this ugh lir incident where we accidentally bombed a hospital, and so forth. balance. the president was not eager to do what he just did, but that huge undeniable failure of the policy forced his hand, and now it's true, as britt says, what he's doing is just enough, he hopes, i think, to hold this thing together until the next president can inheart it. >> that's a hell of a strategy, isn't it, george? if chuck is right, let's keep it together, keep its head above problem? >> i think the president deserves credit for changing his mind and halfway, at least,
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accepting the prevailing narrative in this town, which is that if we had just left 10,000 troops in iraq, the dissolution of that country, and almost failed state would not have occurred. the president has a different calibration. how much that we do on behalf of the afghan security forces is so much that they never quite step up and take full responsibility? divorcing and airpower, that's the president's recipe and seems to be worth a try. >> lisa, obviously this will play out in the 2016 race. i wonder, for hillary clinton, whos going to be tied to obama's foreign policy even if she left in 2013, is it good or bad to keep those 9800 troops? what's the feeling among democrats about our continuing commitment in afghanistan? you have to also say, as compared to the possibility that it all goes to hell? >> it's a difficulty for
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she's running in a primary with an electoral who wants out of these wars, but she's trying to cloak herself in the popularity of the president. it wasn't somebody she was out there advertising her views on. when she did make her comments, she reserved the right to rye assess in january 2017th. i don't expect to hear a lot about it. >> she did different from the position there was always that kind of uncertainly question. her natural instincts going into iraq, libya seem to be for intervention intervention. i think that's right. she's naturally more hawkish for him. all right. thank you, panel. see you next sunday.
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the barefoot contessa, as she's noun, has created an entire. there are the cookbooks. >> i've written nine. print? million. >> and the show she's been doing for 14 years. >> how good does this look? this is really like a vegetable stew. >> which is why the place was packed at an appearance in washington last week. >> if i do a french apple tart, i have a flavor, thefection further, the scale, everything about it, and i keep making it until i get absolutely right. sometimes five tries, sometimes 25 tries. >> that is her goal, create recipes for cozy meals that look the same on your table as they do in her cookbook. >> you can do the simple and have it more fun. >> how do you do that? >> i try three things for dinner, one in the even, one on
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the cooktop, one made in advance, so it's a balancing act, i plan it really well. >> but garten's path could not have been less planned. she was working in jimmy carters's office on nuke already energy. when she saw an ad for a food store in west hampton, the name, the bare 23509 contessa. >> i saw this tiny store, like the size of these two chairs, there was somebody baking cookies in the kitchen, i thought this is where i belong. >> where have you been all day. >> who me? >> it's a mystery. >> i was up and about. >> um-hmm. >> i might have done some shopping. >> her husband jeffrey, a professor and former dean of yale business school, has been her best friends along the way, and a featured character on her tv show. >> i think everybody thinking he's goofy, because he always does these crazy goofy things. he's really smart and a
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>> garten built a warn where she tests her recipes and tapes her show. >>s on care wild quote -- work i think it translate. >> how long? how long are you going to continue? >> until they drag me out by meal feet. >> it's a nice, complex flavor. every recipe is line a science experiment. when i'm done with it and there's that things in my head that says that's what i was looking for, it's extremely satisfying. and i love that. ina garten has been called both a great cook and business woman, but most of the time she says no to new ventures. she says she loves what she's doing now, and anything that pulls her away would be a distraction. that's it for today. have a great week, and we'll see
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