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i'm ben carson and i'm a candidate for president. [cheers and applause] he is here, the top of the polls in iowa and across the country and making iowa for a winning campaign. iowans tend to plate -- pay closer attention to politics. dr. ben carson joins us live for the iowa forums and howie hopes to improve the education system, what is holding its back and how america's future depends on it. >> we have got to start looking out for the future and caring about what is going to happen.
leader, this is a special edition of channel 13 news at four. the iowa forums, who political director dave price. good afternoon and thanks for joining us for the first of our three iowa forums. the next hour, here is what you can expect. 32nd answers, no 102nd rebuttals, no questions about boxers or briefs, and you won't hear this either. this is what you will hear, you will hear your questions on getting the kids ready for good careers, helping teachers be the best to leave the students and making college more affordable. dr. ben carson has agreed to take your question and hours. no preconditions and nothing off-limits here but before we look at the future let's first take a look at the pass. dr. ben carson and inner-city detroit and he admits as a child he came to academics, he was near the bottom of his class for a well but because of his mother's encouragement and at
times, her requirements, course and learn to love reading and learning. he graduated high school with honors. he went on to study at yale university and there he graduated with a degree in psychology and the university of michigan -- university of michigan school of medicine and three years old, director of pediatric neurosurgery at the prestigious john hopkins university. remained in that position until retired 2013. carson is a best-selling author and awarded the presidential medal of freedom. now his most well-known achievement might be the first surgeon to successfully separate conjoined twins connected at the head. and the only presidential candidate in this race to have play in the movie, gifted life. ben carson come of course, running for president, dr. ben carson joins us live from sandia go. thanks for being with us, dr. ben carson.
>> my pleasure, thank you. we want to get deeper that you normally get into, throughout the campaign and on the trail they did you know commit is hard to do very well in our lives if we don't read well, we don't do well in school? i was looking up different at different studies and i found two different ones, average teen spends between nine and 11 hours a day on tv, streaming things online, gaming all those things and one study shows the kids only reading about six minutes a day. if we read up on your biography, you talk about how tough your mom was on you and you had to read and write those weekly book reports, so i would your mom handle the technology of today? kids have so much distractions, phones and all those things. i would she get to you as a kid reading today quick. >> welcome i think she would still emphasize how vitally important the reading was and
requirements for us. and, you know, it made such a big difference in my live and the reason why my wife and i started reading rooms all around the country come even though we live in this technological age. the reading rooms are actually quite popular. especially target title i schools where a lot of the kids come from homes where they go to school with no library or poorly funded library. they are not likely to become real reading affection autos. but these reading coming no caps would pass up the way they are decorated and they actually get points for the number of books they read. they can trade them in for prizes. and the beginning, they do it for the prizes but it does not take long to show significant improvement in academic performance. you can change the project three of their lives, something happens when you read. will please looking at words, and you have to put those words
syntax and you have to take those sentences to make them into concept to learn to use your imagination. that is something that frequently does not get developed with a lot of the electronic media. >> we did find one problem with the reading rooms, you have not put them in iowa yet. [laughter] >> well we would love to get some sponsors to put them in iowa. >> you also do the carson scholars. it is not something i've heard you talk about on the campaign trail, but something you and your wife started more than a decade ago. as i was reading about this moment think that was interesting, you do give a cash scholarship to these kids, but broader picture is not necessarily about the money and obviously come if you were a poor kid, it is a lot of money, but it is beyond that. what did you set it up this way? >> well, we set it up to be a recognition program. because, you know, in a lot of schools
first thing you see as a trophy case. i will say this, state wrestling and all of this, the quarterback on campus, but what is the academic superstar gets? maybe national honor society, a pat on the head, not a lot. so we wanted to put these kids on the same kind of pedestal as we do the athletes. and it's not that i have anything against athletics, i don't, but what will keep america in a pinnacle position? the ability to shoot 25-foot jump shot where ability to solve a quadratic equation? we have to begin to emphasize the right things and they have have to demonstrate you minute hearing qualities that they care about other people because really, we are trying to develop the leaders for tomorrow. we don't want people who are just smart. we also want people who care about their fellow man, makes all the difference in the world. that might be the next question for one of the debates when you
which when if you can't solve a quadratic equation, the true test of leader ship. could be. throughout this show, we have allowed people to give us questions to ask about this topic. mrs. garrett from indianola, iowa, old-school, old school, she mailed me a letter in a nicely can wrote it to me. it is a rather lengthy months away will be part of that but one of the point she wants to make, carson, she is afraid that there is not enough emphasis on education overall here and that kids don't care enough about it and parents don't care enough about it but the teachers having to deal with disciplinary issues with trying to teach these kids in school. she is wondering how can education make any progress with this nationwide problem with all of these things seemingly working against the system. how do you respond to that?
that the foundation of education is laid at home. the values that the parents give that child and the guidance that they give that child will have a lot to do but the attitudes of that child at school. also, what has happened in recent years, we don't really give the school authority, the kind of leeway that they need with children but is more, they are afraid of the children. they are afraid to say something or do something. and it's not an environment that is particularly conducive to education. and at some point, you know, we are going to have to come to grips with that. and, you know, i'm not suggesting that children be paddled or anything like that, but i am suggesting that we back
scrutiny. of anything that a teacher might say or do and how that can really, you know, and in disciplinary action when, in fact, they are trying to do with lead that child in a better direction. we've got to have a better way of doing that. also, remember, historically, the country really used to emphasize education and a massachusetts bay colony. a community actually would be fined if they did not have an adequate public school system. and we have sort -- sort of gotten away from that a little bit, and extremely impressed when he came through america in 1831 to study the reasons why we were so successful as a fledgling nation 15 years old -- 50 years old competing with europe and one of the things that really grabbed his attention was the educational process. anybody who finished the second grade was completely illiterate.
mountain guy and could read the newspaper could have a intelligent conversation. only aristocracy in europe could do that. it was kind of that edge that really led us from nowhere to the pinnacle of the world in record time. he must begin to emphasize it again because really, it doesn't matter what your ethnic background, your economic background or anything else. if you get a good education, you pre- much write your own ticket. we must begin to emphasize that once again. >> i want to get to another question now. the next question i will break the rules because i was trying to open this up to iowans, but i'm going to bend this little bit because the next question comes from my mother-in-law who lives in florida but she then iowa a lot and she agrees to come in january when we have our newborn. i will break the roles and i will tell you that upfront. her name is bonnie gibbons, a retired teacher herself theheay she wanted to know, what is the
best method for motivating students quick she talked 48 -- talked for a few decades and should but this can be a problem so how do you motivate students? talk about the nonprofit work you have them but if you were a teacher, for example, a parent, what is the best motivation? >> well, you know, parents are the best at it because they know what is important to the child. and they can use that as a reward. that is what makes the difference. you know, in my case, it was very, very motivated and matter of fact, my mom would pay us a certain amount for hard-earned money for a, but you wouldn't get very much for thecommand certainly nothing for see. you owe money for anything other than that. but that was never an issue. what you find out what is important to the child in your use that as the motivating factor. you know, the same thing for
wondrous things in a capitalistic surprise. one more question before the break from tom clegg and urbandale and largely accepted that reading comprehension among poison fourth-grade is the single most accurate predictor of prison population but what do you hope to do to increase literacy and comprehension of kids in the urban area? >> well, you know, that is the reason with a reading program, that we tend to emphasize, you know, some of the poorer schools. where a lot of the kids come from homes with no books. they go to school with no library or poorly funded library. they are not likely to become readers. some statistics demonstrate that heavenly to 80 percent of high
illiterate. and if we target these title i schools, with this kind of program commit makes a big difference. these reading rooms that we put in, no little kid would pass up the way they are decorated to. but is just fascinating. and the books are really interesting books. and they get points for every book they read. they can trade them in for prizes and in the beginning, praises, but it does not take long before it really begins to have an impact on their academic performance and affect the future trajectory of their lives. those are the kind of things that have been demonstrated to work fairly effectively. those are the kinds of things we need to multiply across the nation. >> when we come back with conversation with dr. carson at some universities right now, students demanding change in a very focused -- vocal and forceful way but when we come back by dr. carson thinks this is happening right now and what
he would say to make sure that we are getting the proper opportunities to minority students who are struggling to keep up. our conversation this is violet. she's been waiting for this moment for awhile. a moment other kids wouldn't think twice about. her first bowl of cheerios. because now that cheerios are gluten free, violet, and many others are enjoying their first
of racist depends on campus. also some protests and so windshield university, dr. ben carson's -- dr. ben carson's alma mater, yale, not only african-american students, taunts and racially offensive remarks but the university not doing enough to bring more african-american faculty and counseling services to campus. now, dr. carson, your campaign has sent out an e-mail and internet, you feel like some of this as being in your words infantile and this is not the right way to bring change. what do you mean? >> well, and i mean, we have to prepare people for life and the real world. when you get out in the real world, there is not little safe zones you go to when you feel someone has offended you. that is probably the wrong path to take. what we really should be teaching people is, you know, how do you cope with individuals who are treating you the wrong way.
how do you engage in dialogue? how do you help them to see the error of their ways? a lot of times commit people sit down and have a discussion, not nearly as far apart from each other as they think they are. and that surfs a much better purpose then getting into the respective corners and demonizing each other. that almost never helps. >> i wanted you to hear something from tom newkirk he civil rights attorney in des moines and what he took from the demonstrations. >> dr. carson, we all watched donald trump grant ran for 95 minutes about you. expressing repeatedly come again and again and again, that you are violent and pathological. he clearly was brief -- probably did so successfully, but he was also more than subtly suggesting
anger toward the one african-american canada and the republican race. is this type of hidden racism is frustrating to students and other campuses, but do you have any advice for them as potential presidential candidate how to deal with this type of racism the on prayer? >> two you agree these things are intertwined, or how do you look at it? >> i look at it as a person who is very concerned about a competitor. and is looking for any possible straw that he can grasp that might, in some way, or at the competitor. and i think he would do that regardless of my race. think that is part of his nature to do that. i don't come it doesn't bother me come it doesn't bother me in the slightest. i'm not going to go look for a safe zone and i'm not going to ask him for an apology. he may need to ask and so for an
apology because in the long run that kind of granting will not be very beneficial to him. >> when we start talking about race commit varies, very sensitive dishes are going back to the students again, so where i went to grad school university of missouri african-american 7 percent of the population so way, way more white students. they are concerned the university does not do enough to help african-americans get to campus to make it through and succeed on campus. when you start getting into comic you know, confirm it if action and those types of things, what is the right way to go forward to make sure everybody gets a fair shot them especially those who have been dealt a blow for generations? >> well, can you legislate fairness? probably not. i think what you can do is create a lot of friction by trying to legislate fairness. you know, that is something that
has to change in a person's heart. my mother told me something very important as a youngster. she said if you walk into an auditorium of racist, picketing people, you don't have a problem. they have a problem because when you go in there, they will all cringe and wonder if you sit next to them whereas you can sit anywhere you want. so you know, allow them to have their problem. you have more important things to do. the effect of the matter is, a think nietzsche gaston had it right commit black man who became a multimillionaire. and in birmingham, alabama. in the 40s. you can imagine how good that must have been. i had a chance to have dinner with him before he died some years ago at age 95, and i said, how did you as a black man become a multimillionaire and the fashion of racism? he said commit was simple, green
power. he said come i just open my eyes and i just looked around and said i knew what the people need and whatever it was, that's what i did. and then i would power that money into something else and keep going. i did not spend my time worrying about whether somebody was being fair or unfair to me. in the long run, a a great deal of respect and became one of the major citizens of that city. >> and so, yes in my concern about fairness? of course, i yam. pet fairness for everyone, you have to look at the collateral effects of creating fairness for one group across another group and that is why when the whole issue of affirmative action comes up, what i have proposed is substituting something i call compassionate action.
and the underdog status is not necessarily determined by the underdog's grace. you know, for example, if my son is applying to yale with a 4.0 average and 1600 sat, and pretty good candidate, but then there is a kid from appalachia whose father was killed in a, when he was five, been working very, very hard to support the family since he was a little kid. he has a 3.8 grade point average and 700 sat and has really done outstanding job under the circumstances. who should get extra consideration and that situation? i think the circumstances dictate it rather than the race. rell -- now, no question in our society today that there are probably more people in the
circumstances. that that would be the way to make the determination rather than on reese alone. >> one final thing when it comes to this topic mike colleagues looked at the numbers lynn melling when it came to graduation rates with minority students and a want to show you that now. us students are graduating from high school at a higher rate than ever before. the us department of education says the nation's high school graduation rate 81 percent for the year 2012-2013 school year the highest level in nation's history. according to numbers compiled with the national center for education statistics graduation rates vary by state and students race. nationally in 2013 the graduation rate for white students 86.6 percent and latino students 75.2 percent and for black students, it was 70.7 percent. now come in iowa for graduation rate for whi studts was 91 percent, latino 77 percent,
that is a cap at 17 percent between whites and black students in iowa. nationally, the student gap between white and black students is narrowing but ever so slightly in 2013 graduation rates for black students increased by 3.7 percent over the previous two years. that is compared to white students with an increase of 2.6 percent. >> dr. carson come obviously, and a lot of numbers and ever so slightly we are narrowing pickup it is there a reason for that gap and how do we eliminate it? >> there is a reason. when you look at the student education -- education which easement, the students that seem to do the very best are the homeschooled students. penned the private school stents next, chtered hool students next and then lastly public school students. in many of the inner cities, the public schools are just atrocious. and i think a lot of the
just look around and say, i'm not running anything here so why am i wasting my time here so they drop out. i wonder what would happen if we provided them with a choice. this is what we must be thinking about as a society. how can we enable those children so that we can develop them because we must recognize we only have 330 motion people in the country. and we are competing against china, india who have over a billion people each. we have to develop all of our people and for everyone of our young people we can keep from going down that path of self-destruction one less person to worry about, be afraid of, protect their families from. pay for in the penal system or the welfare system, infested member of a society to make create a new energy source for a cure for cancer. we be cannot throw to throw -- to afford to throw any of them away and think about that collectively as a society how to
i think one of the best ways we can do that is to provide school choice with vouers and we nee to look at any system that will alws to puthildren an imirmentherehey are muc mo lely to suced. >> okay for thosef yo graduating a tnking abo coege,any studen dee deep,eep in debtith lleg loans. whe we comback with
we heard from so many iowans how much debt they have because of college and machelle shaffer wrote her student debt $32,000. kent alan g went to buena vista university in storm lake, $52,000 and karen sisson the most of anybody we saw and she went to drake for undergrad and law school and thought -- her loans $150,000. let's bring back dr. ben carson, dr.arson you went through many levels of school on your way to becoming a doctor. how much student loans did you have? >> it wasn't at that level. in college, you know, i only had about a think $1,100.50. and that is a small amount for spence of school like ill but they had tuition postponement
back, not according to her much you borrow, but according to how much money you made. and as a neurosurgeon, made a lot of money so i ended up paying that $1,150 back for many, many, many, many times over whereas if you were a poet. you would have to pay much. wit was in a very good system, quite frankly, and it was one of the first things i tried to get abolishment of became a member of the board of trustees. we did get rid of it, but, you know, there is no question this is a huge problem for students now because colleges and universities know with you had met a student, they are likely to be able to get a government loan, government guaranteed loan. but the problem is instead of like it used to be in the old days, two or 3 percent loans, now, they are 4 percent, five, six, seven, even a percent and that compounds over time and
becomes an excessive burden. people wind up with a mortgage sometimes by the time they get out of graduate school. >> as you know -- some people want the ability to refinance that debt obviously at much lower rates. that is wheree have to fight among those running for president. do you see their.on that quick. >> i do see the point on that, but also my think it might be wise to envision completely different system where that government guaranteed loans, the principal's principle is responsibility of the student. and the interest is responsibility of the school. that way, the school has a l more skin in the game. they armuch more interested in getting that student out of their rather than having their perpetually. they are looking at other ways for the student to pay the debt. they are looking for jobs, paris
other kinds of things that people used to do. and i think it will make a difference, plus not interested in escalating the price is qte so rapidly. if they will be responsible for all the interest. these are creative things we all need to be looking at because of the $18.5 trillion national debts, one point $3 trillion a student debt and that is ridiculous. we are talking about college and dr. carson when we come back from the brake the youngest minds i want to talk to welfare. what t government role is when
encourage the state to make early education and early care a priority? in our state we have had conversations and debate about whether the state eventually the federal government i suppose but what their role should be in preschools? should taxpayers finance preschools for a certain age of children four-year-old, three-year-old, how do you feel that? >> well, first, the government i would have involved in a few things as possible to be honest with you. i would try to push those responsibilities back on the private sector. they seem to do a much better job, quite frankly, than the government does anyway. it was never really the purview of the government to get in -- involved in every specked -- every aspect of our lives with education. i would like come obviously to
types of programs work the best in terms of getting the most out of the students. everything should be data driven. one of the great things about medicine, we make decisions based on evidence and not on ideology. and so let's find out of all e possibilities, all the different programs come everything that has been done, which one has the best results? and then let's look at the cost-benefit ratio, in than and then those are the things that will form what direction we move then. >> we are coming up on a break but i have to ask you about teachers. what is the best way to make sure we have the best teachers? in our state governor branstad worked out system to pay the best teachers more to mentor some of the other teachers and obviously with controversial for some groups. is that the way to go forward? how do we make sure each class
>> well, right now, in a lot of places, the only thing that you get for being an excellent teacher is more work. and so, you know, teachers like anybody else should be incentivized. and they consistently have outstanding achievements, we should find a way to recognize that and to reward that. rewards have a powerful impact on anybody in any profession and certainly teaching is no exception to that. >> as we are looking broadly obviously at the terrorist attacks and perez, captivated and frighten peop all over the world, when we come back wh dr. ben carson, the terrorist use education and their own way to brainwash these terrorists. so we will talk to dr. carson about how he thinks we need to
we will be back. those isis terrorist attacks in paris have horrified the world. pardon me, it has made people wonder how did these kind of things happen and how do we stop them? we want to bring back dr. ben carson and dr. ben carson, some of these terrorists almost ucated in this way and kind of a sinister way of teaching these men commit children, basically that later in the life to do the stuff. how do you stop that? education obviously in a
different way, bow do we oversee and stop that from haening? >> they have been very successful with their ideological education program. utilizing, you know, social network, media, very effectively. what we are going to have to do is take a peek -- take a page out of their books. began a counter. showing there are different ways of doing things and better ways of doing things. appealed to the more you minute hearing and sight of people. but we need to recognize that this is an incredibly powerful tool. in their case, they are using it for evil and we can use it for granted. you are a neurosurgeon by trade and best-selling author. you decided to run for president. how does a person go about
how do you do that? >> well, i think you use the same types of techniques that you use in school. both in term of reading material, but also in terms of discussion. talking to a lot of people about a lot of different things. you know come i have had an opportunityo talk to former secretary of state, former national securitadvisers, generals, cia people. you know come i have take some things with a grain of salt. but you know, tt is part o what a president would do, you know, sorting out between the different people. which things are legitimate and which things are not. but it is an ongoing process. medicine, we have cme continuing medical education. you have to get a certain number
here is another question from tim carver, and by the way, named the ste assistant principal of the year recently. dr. carson, he wants to know, what do you look for eshoo try to measure education and he wonders commit is there something you can use from your background and medicine that can be used to look at the improvement in our public education? >> yeah, welcome my would look look for the results. and is that educational endeavor resulting in a successful individual? one of the things that we have to recognize in our society is different people have different sets of talents. and one other things that i think we need to start doing is finding ways to identify those talents and to
when i'm also talking about vocational talents. there is something that we have not emphasized much lately when we were in high school. there are a lot of things that you can't learn any more in terms of beg an electrician, a plumber, welder and those are jobs that pay a lot of money. and usually, you d't end up with these gigantic debts really, lot further ahead. also, many of those types of jobs today do require significant education. but the education has gotten outside of a formal setting. and i have gone to some of the factories lately, and you know, lot less manpower and a lot more robot power. that those individuals operating the machinery in their, they really are quite skilled. and many of them have not actually been to college. so we need to look at the whole
are available in our society. and try to develop each one of them, but the rl key is to whether it's working or not, what is your product? what are you turning out? and are you turning out someone who can go out there and readily fit intohe society and keep themselves and their family in good financial condition? or are we creating people who have a lot of fancy titles but aren't necessarily contributing? dr. ben carson, we thank you for the doing this. the first time we've set down a pole hour talking to one person about one specific topic. i hope it helps people get inside your mind to find out what you're all about, safe travels and thank you for being with us. >> thank you, it was a pleasure. we will see you back in iowa soon. i/o -- i will forms all, 4:00 o'clock and time we go want the road bobby jindal will be the guest for the full hour.
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