that is the only way in which i can impress -- on a per-capita basis, we are one of the most if not the most highly industrialized countries. >> bordered by what countries? >> bordered by switzerland and austria. and the size of washington, d.c. >> ok, good. singapore, city state. what does that mean? >> singapore is a city state. new york city is a state. imagine is a country. it raises an army, such a foreign service, educate people, run a government, a cabinet, but i think people should know that singapore is a country which is about 3.5 times the size of washington, d.c. it has 4.2 million people, and it is a country built out of nothing. we have no resources -- no oil, no forests, no water, and even the air is quite restrained.