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from washington, the mclaughlin group, the american original. for over 3 decades, the sharpest minds, best sources, hardest talk. . >> issue 1: paris attack. >> an act of exceptional barbarism has been committed in paris against a newspaper, a paper, in in other words, an organ of free speech. it's an act against journalists. today france is in shock, the shock of a multiple assassination, a terrorist attack. >> it was a brazen and deadly attack on wednesday noon in paris. masked gunmen shouting allahu akbar, god is great, stormed the headquarters of a french sat teer cal newspaper called charley hebdo and opened fire. 12 people were killed
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including the magazine'sed tor in chief and two policemen, one wounded officer shot dead at point language. 11 people were wounded. a survivor of the attack said the gunmen spoke fluent french apblgd claimed they were from al-qaeda. this is not the first time charley hebdo has been attacked. its offices were fire bombed in 2011 after the publication published a caricature of the profit mohammed on its cover. many muslims consider drawings. profit blam feeplous. president obama condemned the attack as cowardly and evil and expressed solidarity with the french people. >> the values we share with the french people, a belief, a universal belief in freedom of expression is something that can't be silenced. >> u.s. secretary of state john kerry said brave and decent people around the world would not be intimidated by such violence. >> free expression and a free
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press are core values. they are universal values. principles that can be attacked but never eradicated. >> on friday, french police had cornered the two suspects in a printing plant outside paris. two brothers named said and ensure reef kouachi, a counter terror unit broke through the door and shot dead the kouachi brothers. older brother said kouachi appears to have been trained in yemen by al-qaeda and the arabian peninsula. is that attack a danger call with american or european citizenship returning to commit attacks. >> you got that right, john. look at it from the standpoint of these two brothers. they went in and wiped out this anti-islamic entity which had insulted the prophet, they
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avenged the prophet, they escaped, they have the president of france addressing them, the president of the united states, they go up and have the attention of the entire world for two days then they come out like butch cassidy and the sundance kid walking out shooting and they are killed in the process. what this is going to do a send a message to all those young anonymous terrorists who go fight that war in syria or iraq, if you really want to make an impact, why blow yourself up in a suicide bombing? the way to do it is in the west. your question is exactly right. >> eleanor. >> well, the other side of that is that tens of thousands of people took to the streets of paris and said jui suis charley, jui suis ahmed because one of the people they killed was a muslim. i think we are looking at a
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noxious stew, particularly in europe where this anti-immigrant sense is really strong plus anti-semitism is on the rise. you have the national front party which in the past has been one step removed from a white french supreme sift group is now moving into the mainstream and i think marie lepen is trying to bring that party into the mainstream and if the election were held today, that party would win. this is transforming politics in europe. the implication here, we've been waiting more than a dozen years for al-qaeda style mass events to take place. i think this shows how easy it is to stage much smaller events and the militaristic events of these young men showing training in yemen, training in syria has met tas stiezd and corrupted the minds of young
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men. >> one of the attackers appears to have been trained in yemen, what does that mean. >> al-qaeda has lost some attention as isis has come into attention. >> what's isis? >> now the islamic state but originally the islamic state of greater syria but al-qaeda of greater peninsula is a very effective group. the leader is known as someone immensely capable, they had a video last year in the summer where they had a very open parade which was basically sending a message the drones haven't got us, the bomb maker who is known for very very good technical skill and smuggling explosive devices inside the human body but in other mechanisms and this shows, as well, that they are broaching into that area of trying to recruit europeans in a way that goes undetected by intelligence services and push it -- again, as eleanor points out, it is not that difficult
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to have a small group of people who stay off the grid and then go commit an attack and unfortunately we should get ready for more of this. >> the u.s. put a drone in yemen that killed somebody. who was he? >> he was an american preacher, extremist preacher who went over there to yemen >> what happened before that in his life in texas? >> he was in the united states during, producing video sermons and he is a big recruiting source for young disillusioned men. >> they killed his son as well. >> that was an accident. >> well, we killed him as well. >> 14-year-old. >> he was in the car, yeah. >> that doesn't --. >> so yemen figures heavily in this location of terrorists, correct? >> yeah. >> and that's been the case for some time, correct? more so than any other state? >> i wouldn't say that. i
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think syria now. >> it's the most effective state in terms of terror abroad as of now. >> we are entering an era, i think, that is going to be very nervous-making because you have the capacity of people who are willing to die in the most extraordinary ways and to kill a lot of people in the process. and you can shake up the sense of security that we have in this country and other countries that are essentially western democrat are going to experience in their countries. so it's going to be very difficult to stop and we're going to have to be very aggressive in terms of how we penetrate those groups and get enough intelligence to stop them before they do a lot of damage. >> there was an earlier attack last year in a jewish museum in belgium that should have been a wake up call. >> yes, you are right. it should have been a wake up call. i don't know what it's going to take in a sense to get a lot of the intelligence services and the local military and police forces to get on basically on guard. >> john, one of these guys went into the jewish market before
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saturday. he was allied with these two brothers and he took hostages there but that's a soft target. how can you defend every market and every jewish community center in the country if they are going to go after soft targets? and the problem was this was a success against a relatively soft target. >> in fairness, europe has lived with terrorist attacks for a long time and london tube, the madrid train, i mean this is not that new. what is different about this is that it seems to strike at the very heart of sort of french consciousness. this satirical newspaper is not something i would be interested in reading, i don't think it's all that funny and i think it's unnecessarily provocative but i will go to the barricades to defend their right to do it and i think the french people really feel like their values were assaulted and they are not going to let this disrupt their way of life.
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>> eleanor --. >> again, i'm coming back to her, she said time's up. she wants to return to the death penalty, she wants to close down the borders. so this becomes a political conversation as well. >> what about the magazine as well. they have these lewd crude cartoons, they know what happened to the danish magazine, they know what happened with theo van gough. in the muslim world, below the level of governments there are probably a lot of guys saying those guys did the right thing. >> those muslims are wrong. we have a society where people are allowed to say anything they want. >> there's polarization here. >> that's too bad. the political culture in islam, this is a big problem. most muslims are law-abiding people but there is this fringe that thinks it's okay and you see this even with some imans
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coming out saying it's outrageous, but -- i don't want to see those buts any more. >> another but here, you can say anything but you have to be aware there could be consequences. >> exactly. >> in this country we do have limits on hate speech. >> but the attackers were cherif kouachi, french intelligence files since 2005, 10 years ago on french intelligence files, arrested while trying to travel to syria to join anti-insurgency in iraq. he wanted to fight americans. second person is his brother, hamyd kouachi, at one time kept under surveillance by french authorities. on january 8 -- that's this week -- he trained with al-qaeda in yemen ma mead
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mourad surrendered to french authorities. >> he claimed he had nothing to do with it. look, these guys went to earth, they were on the watch list, people looking at them but they can't keep watch on everybody every today. >> that's right. >> so they plotted and planned quietly and carried this out. >> and the french will go through what the u.s. went through, there will be a sort of 9-11 commission that will look at every built of this to see where they fell down. but pat's point is well taken, you cannot keep tabs on everyone that is suspicious. >> how many people are there that the fbi and our other surveillance authorities in this country are watching? how many are there out there approximately? do you know. >> hundreds. >> 100? >> there's hundreds. >> many, many. >> a number have gone to syria and iraq. >> my figure is 100. >> there are thousands in the uk and europe that we are concerned about so you have 3 threats. you have no. 1, the original people, al-qaeda we
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have seen before who were operated by, then you have no. 2, people coming back from syria who have trained, who have gone there as appears these people with yemen, no. 3, people who have watched online on you tube and become inspireinspired. >> for 48 hours we have been riveted to that television all over the world and they have done it, these people coming back. what frightens me to a degree is, look, these guys succeeded. >> their faces will be forgoten in three days. triggers revulsion (crosstalk). >> their people rather than our people. you have to see what they think. >> their people are a lot more --. >> excuse me --. >> their people who don't believe in those tactics. >> excuse me. how many european citizens from muslim immigrant communities are estimated to be fighting
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alongside isis? what's isis. >> the islamic state of iraq and greater syria. >> alongside isis is acap u.s. authorities estimate as many as blank u.s. jihadists are fighting alongside. >> thousands. >> five thousand. >> how long is it going to be before one or two or half a dozen or a hundred of those come over to the united states? >> that's what they are worried about. how long is it going to be before a british passport holder gets on a plane, smiles at a customs guy, goes into a gun shop and starts shooting. >> how many have been arrested in britain? >> probably about 50 now. >> does one passport work in
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another jurisdiction. >> that's the problem. a british passport is easy to get in the united states. >> but those london bombers were home-grown brits. many of these guys are second generation in paris. >> issue 2, dynasty. (♪dynasty theme♪. >> jeb bush has formed an exploratory committee and he's resigned from corporate boards and committee and he's released emails from his tenure as florida governor. jeb is showing more than ankle, he's baring knees and hip. if jeb bush does run and wins the nomination and wins the general election, he will be make history as the third bush to be president of the united states.
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a big deal? no, the bushes are a dynasty and dynasties run in the u.s. dna notable examples are the rockefellers, the kennedies, the clintons, the browns of california, the cuomos of new york, the nunns of georgia, the pryors of arc and the bushes. >> question, if jeb bush runs, is he an instant front runner for the gop nomination? >> he's already a front runner and he's smart to have made his move early because in today's republican party there's only one for one sane character. he's considered moderate, he's run a state for two terms, he can raise money, which is really key, and i think the last name bush is not going to hurt him as much as people might think. >> name identification. >> i think we live in a world of branding and i think the american people, they know the brand and they are comfortable
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with it. so i think if he runs he has a good shot to win. >> so he's got the name and he's got the bush political network. >> he certainly has all of that but he has something else that's more important than any of those things. he's got extraordinary talent chl he was an extraordinary governor, he's an extraordinary speaker. i happened to attend a meeting with him a couple days ago and he was phenomenal. they are all helping him out financially but he was phenomenal and everyone in that room knew it. without knowing what the questions might be, he is totally informed about what's going on in this country. >> gesture toward me there, mort. >> couldn't go any further. >> he made a very smart move, moving early. he has bulled both chris christie which is another candidate for the establishment title, if you
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will, and mitt romney have to move if they are going to get into this thing. he may have cleared the field and if he does he at least gets to the finals. the establishment winds up with one person in the finals and the outsiders, the libertarians, they get a candidate. >> is it a blessing or a curse to be front runner? >> it's both. it's a blessing because you can get all this money --. >> is it more a blessing than a curse? >> well, the front runner gets chopped up, dole got chopped up. >> there are conservatives. >> that's what happened to you when you ran for president. >> i was never front runner. >> you would be president today, wouldn't you? you ran twice. >> three times. >> briefly. >> my new book on you. >> i don't have a dynasty either. >> thank goodness. >> i think the conservative activists, the problem with jeb bush is he is unpopular because of common core, which is a
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federal education thing. >> immigration. >> and immigration. >> let's hear a little bit more on bush on videotape. who is jeb bush? here is who? >> born 1953, 61 years of age. blinkial, fluent in spanish. religion, catholic. married, 1974, 41 years. wife, columba, a mexican-born u.s. citizen. three children: noelle, jeb junior and george. son george is the texas land commissioner, responsible for managing billions of dollars in state assets and mineral rights. jeb's work history, banking, real estate, entrepreneurial ventures and of course governor of florida two terms, 1999 to 2006. . >> when, regardless of his last name does jeb bush's previous experience qualify him for the oval office? tom rogan. >> i think it does if we look
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at previous presidential candidates in comparison but ultimately the question of qualifications, any candidate can have the qualifications if the primary voters like them. >> exciting case. >> he's curious, he speaks spanish. >> what's the problem of the current governor down there who is going to have a second term but is a figure of, what, contradiction >> controversy. >> john, he has the experience, no doubt about it, but there's a sense he's the moderate candidate who is going to be put up as mccain was as others were and some of them will go after him very hard and we'll see what he's made of. >> is he not eminently qualified? two terms as
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governor of florida. >> he understands all the issues like no other candidate that i've heard. >> he can answer questions when he doesn't even know what the question is going to be. couldn't resist that. i think his biggest challenge, his biggest challenge is that he hasn't been in the arena for 10 years. he's rusty, he's not a charismatic campaigner and --. >> how much of the non-aligned voters in america will bush be able to carry? non-aligned. >> at one point last year either 49 or 50 percent of the people in the country said they wouldn't vote for another bush. he's got a problem in the general election. >> he's 6 percent ahead. >> that's not much. >> i'm not saying it's much but it's a good place to be. first place is always best in my experience. >> there's only room for one mainstream establishment candidate and if he's only one he has a good chance of getting
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a plurality. >> unlike your hero, president obama. >> words to live by, issue 3. nieto in washington. >> it is a pleasure to welcome once again president nieto as well as his delegation. it's appropriate our first meeting of the year is with one of our closest allies, neighbors and friends. >> president obama welcomed the leader of mexico this week, president pena nieto. but while the body language was warm the conversation was deadly serious. >> our mission is to be a friendly supporter of mexico in deference to eliminate the
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skufrpblg of violence of the drug cartels responsible for so much tragedy inside of mexico and we want to be a good partner in that process, recognizing that ultimately it will be up to mexico and its law enforcement to carry out the key decisions that need to be made. >> scourge of violence is how president obama describes the war between drug cartels and the government of mexico. the united states has spent billions of dollars to support the mexican government in this violence abatement. the number of mexicans who have lost their lives in this crime war since 2007 is over 100,000, climaxing in september with the kidnapping and murder of 43 male college students by a drug cartel believed to be collaborating with corrupt mexican officials. question, should the obama
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administration be doing more to support mexican's government against the drug cartels or is this a mexican problem that requires a mexican response exclusively? >> i think there are things we should do together, particularly exchanging information and intelligence but i don't think that america should get involved directly in what's happening on mexican soil, nor do we think the mexican army or their other law enforcement agencies should get involved on american territory. but it is really critical that we have full exchange of intelligence because that's where each could help the other. >> u.s. operatives more mexican marine outfits to penetrate the cartels in mexico. do you think that's a good idea? >> i have no problem with it, frankly. that's -- unless it's american soldiers who are doing that or american law
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enforcement officials. they are wearing american uniforms? >> they are wearing the uniforms of mexican marines. >> oh, mexican, i'm sorry. >> been involved in direct operations against the cartels. >> i think drug traffic is a very important issue we have to cope with. i'm totally in support of it. >> how big is the traffic? how much is unloaded on the united states of drugs from mexico. >> i don't know the exact number except it's a very large amount. >> it doesn't just stop at the border, it goes up and up and up. >> they are maybe the principle supplier of drugs to the united states. >> we have the knowledge that we provide the demand. this is a joint operation, if you will. the corruption of mexico is so extreme when the police can't be dealt with they bring in the army and it turns out the army is infiltrated as well because the big money is all in drug
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trafficking. so u.s. can't solve that alone but the mexicans need our help. >> 43 teacher, college students, were slaughtered, all boys, in mexico. we still don't know what happened. >> and this is the issue. we have to be involved to some degree because idiots to some degree, unfortunately some of them in my generation, who think it's cool to use cocaine. there's also hope. columbia proves, 1980's, huge amounts of corruption, assassination of attorney general after attorney general. today they are in good shape. if we don't have a long-term commitment. >> we don't have a 2,000 mile long border with columbia. we will be hanging around in
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places like iraq the central problem of security is going to be right in this hemisphere, it's going to come out of mexico, a country of 130 million people. >> is pena being linked to these cartels. >> all of these mexican presidents charges have been made against them but corruption is pandemic in mexico. >> jeb bush will sew up the major gop donors by spring. >> very regretablely i believe there will be another terrorist attack in europe in the next few months. >> jeb bush will be the republican nominee. >> i believe congress will pass the legislation on the keystone pipeline as promised. president obama will veto it, but his veto will be overridden by a small block of democrats.
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emanuel ransom: when i first came to clarkston the ku klux klan used to march in front of my house. maria hinojosa: today, small-town georgia has changed in some unexpected ways. we're sisters, you know, we were separated at birth. hinojosa: now whites are in the minority in clarkston, and it's home to refugees from over 40 different countries. graham thomas: you wonder if i've got any buddies anymore that think the way i do. should white america be afraid of becoming a minority? this is the new america-- black, brown, asian, lgbt, immigrants. the country is going through a major demographic shift and the numbers show it. the face of the u.s. has changed. christina ibanez: we're american. we care about the same things. but yet we also want to preserve our culture. i just see it destroying what we had planned to happen here. hinojosa: by 2043, we will be a majority non-white nation. norm gissel: we are making, as we speak


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