tv Defense News with Vago Muradian ABC January 25, 2015 11:00am-11:31am EST
>> welcome to "defense news," i'm vago muradian. we look at the top cyber issues for 2015 and a new book on the lessons learned during america's 13-year combat presence in afghanistan. first, the naval history command has a complegs collection of more than 300,000 artifacts ranging from john papaul jones pocket watch to ships like the u.s.s. constitution and the first nuclear submarine. the command overseas has 10 museums around the country, the u.s. navy is located at the historic washington n navy yard. many artifacts are being consolididated at a giant storage and center in richmond.
joining us now to tell us how the command is preserving history to inspire future generations is jim the command's depu director who is also a retyler naval officer, thank you to the program. >> thank you for the opportunity to talk about naval history and hair taling. >> it has fascinated me as military history has. a couple years ago the looked like the navy had turned its back on its own rich history. in the last couplele years, you are starting to get more resources. why is naval history suddenly so important and getting the foc that it deserves? >> i think one of the things that you rightly point out that there was perhaps a drifting apart and the importance of naval history and heritage is that it is relevant not just to tell the story of the navy and perhaps the naon in the past, but it's relevant to the current day operations and the future operations. there are lessons we learn from the past and we can tell it
moving forward and influence decisionmakers and decisions both with respect to resources, acquisition, and operations. >> because that's rit, you were also not only collecting artifacts,hether swords or more current artifacts like part of the u.s.s. enterprise as she is being decommissioned but the operational history that goes along with it is part of your purview. >> absolutely. we are the repository of the navy archives. our foundation went all the way back to the founding by president adams, a l letter to be jamin stoddard so we currently retain the operational records histories, and reports of the navy and in fact those reportsts are useful, not just as a par of the historical record, but, again, to influence how we conduct operations today. e operation reports from efforts during the vietnam war were used as we stood up or
squad rons recently in the current conflict. >> enormous contribution that was. most of your collection is at the old gun factory building at the washington navy yard. you are storing them and other locations in the country. you are consolididating them down in richmond. navy leaders sometimes do want to draw on that collection for historic sword or object when th're having a meeting. isn't that ing to pose problems located 90 miles south of washington? >> not at all. the collection was actually in three major locations memphis tennessee, yorktown and the wawashington navy yard. virtually all of those storage locations were not climate controlled, were basically marginal storage facilities and it's been ned in the past that navy was at risk of losing its history and heritatage because of conditions such as that. >> the i.g. report pointed out the decay of the collection.
>> absolutely, back in december 2011. what we did in conjunction with, we spent a couple of years searching fo a location which was not just to be able to take care of the artifacts but affordable. there were facilities available at richmond, 300,000 square feet as you pointnt out. it's going to be where we cannot just store the artifacts, but we can actively manager the collection, conserve the collection, and we can generate, make the collection accessible as you point out to navy leadership and to the citizens of the country we serve. >> how big of a job is it to move all of this stuff and when is it going to be completed? >> the project itself began in february o of this year and it's going to complete in june of this year, excuse me i have my years confused. >> we're still getting used to 2015. >> the beginning of february 2014 and conclude in june of
2015. it's very, very extensive. one of the things that we have done, we are hiring folks for that facility and we have hired some folks from th smithsonian and national archives to help us one of the folks who is overseeing that effort, oversaw the effort of moving artifacts for the smithsonian from new york to the american indian museum here. >> what are your top restoration priorities, what are things that this team wi the most focused on? >> the things that we are most focused on as a category are the high risk artifacts. those artifacts that are organic, paper, uniforms that type of thing which are very highly subject to large temperature and humidity swings. those are the things that we highlight first. in a macrosense, one of the things that we'll be conserving and restoring in the year coming up, this year, is the u.s.s. constitution. she'll be undergoing, beginning
a 30-month overhaul on the 20th of march of this year at boston that's number one. >> historic navy yard where she was born in fafact? >> yes. >> youmuseum here is one of the finest in all of washington. if not the country for the breadth of its collection, the amount of stuff locateted in a small spot. it's difficult too get to. after 9/11 it become very difficult get to, the ooting incident, the tragedy that unfolded there, it was more restricted. you experimented with ways to fix that including beforthe shooting. what are the things you can do to get the throughput that that museum deserves? >> the navy is committed to having a museum here in the national capital region. we as you pointed out had a pilot program to increase access by providing access through the river walk. that was h highly successful. thatat doubled attendance at the museum during the period that that was conducted.
>> as opposed to just walking and get on the base. >> absolutely. and that is one of the alternatives that we have. we're also taking a look at perhaps oth sites in the national capital region to move the museum off of the washington navy yard. >> any ideahat some of those places would be? >> it's l predictional at this point in time. there are alternatives being actively considered and we're taking aook, take that to navy leadership for the decision hopefully in tt the not too distant future. > you would have to take the external collection, the caliber guns, a lot of external displays that are there? ? >> we are seeking to deal with that in a strategic way, a wholistic way. as we move forward, you will find that there are alternatives that we can do that in a way that properly preserves those artifacts for thehe long haul and makes it accessible to not just the folks here in the d.c. area, but, again, to cizens acroross the countntry. >> sir tnks very much.
for more of our interview with jim, hd to defensenews.com. top cyber issues for 2015. you're w >> thehere have been many major cyber milestones over the past 30 yrs and last mononth's hack on sony will be one for the books. the japanese tertainment giant sensitive and embarrassing emails made e public and threats
of violence deled "the interview," talking about assassination of the leader kim jong-un joining us to talk about theajor cyber themes is the director o of the atlantic council atecraftninitiative. jay is a former air force cyber officer and a bush administration cybeber protection officialal. he is the author of "a fierce domain, the cyber operations between 1986 and 2012." jay, welcome back to the show. >> thank you very ch. >> how big of a dealal was this hack andaken in tototal who are the events in 2014 indicate the challenges that we're goining to be indicating inin 2015 and beyond? >> sony hack cerertainly was unprecedented, not bececause a compmpany got disassembled. we have seen that before. it's happened a couple of times, but that it still is looking lilike it might have been a nation state behind it. what really struck me is that you had the white house having to get involved, not because a company got taken down because
of a hack, because it was an attack really more on freedom of expression and that's what i think really made it stand out was an attack on freedom of expression and free speech. >> what ar some of the other broader features that we saw in the air that are going to be affecting some of the challengnges that we sesee in thihis year and years to come? >> i think you really saw a defense sitting back and seeming effefectless. you saw j.p. morgan, a company with great defenses, sony, app i-cloud hacks over the celebrity >> accounts. >> exactly. you saw these very well trusted companies. we thought 2013 was the year of the data breach and now 2014 had it worse. i would fully expect to see more of this 2015 within our industry you'll start hearing more cyber people talk less about protection than response of saying we can't keep them out. it's those companies that bounce back quickly that are going to be the mtuccessful. >> and when you mean responsive,
there is a debate right, wh is offensive in cyber, what are the boundaes of it, is offense really the best defense in some cases? how is that dete going to play out and what are the role -- generally offensive operations are not sn as something corporations do, but governments . how is thadebate going to play out overhe nt year? 2014, you really started to see is that bring up. that conversatio has been with us for over 10 years of do we needrivate ears, do we need later of mark where threes companies ca disrupt thehe attacks coming into them. we are going to see that continue in015. i still l think it's going to be extremely difficult. expect headlines. it wouldn't surprise me if you have someone on this show that talks about some companies they know that did that. >> what is the right way for the united states a its allies and everybody toto be responding to theseorts of attacks
especially, you know on the side of the goverents? >> it wouldn't surprise me if in 2015 we see, we hear about the u.s. government took some cyber shots thelp out some cocompanies that were in trouble. if the attac on sony would have still been going on in november or early december of 2014 i think you would have maybe seen cyber command take a shot to disrupt it. it wouldn't rprise me if you hahave someonene in this seat in the next nine months that that happens. >> i'm going to try to make that a goal of mine to do that. you talklked about litters of mark, we talked about before the show about privateers, china and russia with privateering armies, they do it in a way that states can stay it wasn't us, we didn't do it. there is some to suggest this is the riright approach for the united stas.s. you have argued against that. why is that a bad approacach for the united states? >> i can see that happen in the u.s., not operate yachtic
hackers, t thatt is not a rule of law.w. we don't want mercenaries. we want governments behind it. we might see bonded licensed company that does this on behalf. they can be acedit it'sesed by the arlington couy shavers. we want you to stop t attack, to stop it. that might have some merit to it. >> we were on a panel discussion late last year and the issue was discussed about wther the united states does need and governments in geneneral need declaratory cyber policies. nuclear deterrents work, no questionow we were going to respond to anythinghey did and vice versa. does the united states need some more declaratotory cyber policy? >> itill don't think so. we have been able to kee the large scale attacks, large scale cyber attacks from happening on the united states.
declaratory policy wouldn't have heed us with north korea. they have no cyber structure to hit back. russia knows that we would strike back if they do a large attack. that hasn't stopped them from mucking arouou in ukraine or anywhere else.e. no one can doubt the u.s. capability for cyber aacks. >> edward snowden has seento th. >> the attacks, plenty of examples of that. it's more that with ukraine and the other ways that our adversaries aresing power against us, we feel handcuffed, we feel our hands are tied and not just on cyber but across all ranges of power. >> what are some of the priority projects that you guys are working at the atlantic counl. >> we are lolooking at strategy. we work for the general center,
he wants us to do policy, not just strategy. we want to step back and look at just not the cybe side of this, but how this fits in with the internet and america's broader economic strengths in this area. for 2015, we also want to be lookining at both, it would surprise me a bit in north korea acts up again in015. they mightht because ththey're crazy. i would also keep an eye on iran and russia. russia's's bk is to the wall. ththey might like creating havoc inclcluding using cyber agagait europe or america. ey may feel they havee little lose by doioing that. alalso in, if the nuclear talks break dodown, we would see attacks. >> thank you, we appreciate it. wealk to a i stood outside, assessing the situation. i knew it could rough in there but how rough? there was no way to know for sure.
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>> the combat role for u.s. and allied forces in afghanistan have technically ended although about 11,0,000 americans remain in the country to support afghan forces ass they take the lead in their own security. michael has a long history with afghanistan, an army reservist activated after 9/11 and spent two years in country. he returned to the pentagon as a political appointee to form lately policy for the adminiration. he is a reservist deploying to afghanistan in 2010 and visits
the country regularly. his newew book is "warrior diplomate, a green beary's battle from washington to afghanistan." l proceeds go to the green berea fououndation which is utterly fantastic. people c contribute by buying the book and getting educated and helping a very good cause. why did you write this book? >> it occurred to me after 10, 13 years worng on this war that i t truly had somewhat of a unique perspective. as you mentioned i was with secretary gates and secretary rumsfeld and over with v.p. chaney and in-between as a reserve special forces officer, i was deployed to the field. i was one of the relative few that had to implement the policies that we he is spouse and try to bring that on the ground truth back to the policy process and did that several times and at some points, some mentors of mine said you have to capture this in the future, 40,
50 years from now, historians are going to be looki back on this. >> it was a terrificcally, you know a lot of salient points where you were a trooper on the ground and seeing certain experiences and how things are not going right and things could be done better and getting back to the washington, where things sometimes run amok. there are reason why proper things don't get done. what did you learn on the the ground to avoid some of the s same mistakes? >> we did a lot of things right girls education, substituting the begins of a democracy. what i tried to cover was a lot of the mistakes that we made. so the beginning of the book is there i was in a black helicopter going after a taliban commander and we accidentay kill his daughter, then flashback, there i am with chaney, karzai bush, talking about civilian casualties.
if terms of so of the key issues one, we never resourced the r properly. we never made truly a long-term commitment in terms of resources and that had a number of effects on the ground. outsourcing the war to nato the diversion of resources to iraq were a big part of that. the other piece was getting our arms around the sanctuary in pakistan. no counterinsurgency has been successful when the insurgents enjoy sanctuary next door. the key piece in terms of a policy mistake is announcing our withdrawal five years in advance of the end of combat operations and the effect that that had out on the field. i talk about an elder that t we were working wit years and years and he withdrdrew his support and his 1,500 tribal militia two weeks after president obama announced the sue in 2009 but also its with withdrawal. he said until you're prepared to truly commit we can't work with
you, the i gun to my head tomorrow night. those are some of the key thihings i tried to cover. >> and one of the things though that, point that you also may, much talk is made about international coalitions. that goes to churchill's point it's good to fight with allies than to fight without allies. the reason why some of the nations were fighting was nothing about the mission in afghanistan, but to show they we with washington to get something out of washington. >> the coalition in afghanistan which was led by nato had 42 countries involved. you can imagine 42 different interagencies, civilian agencies military agencies nato, which is led by committee that has to come to consensus for any decisions never truly go its arms around a counterinsurgency strategy. write about talking to one senior commander from a coalition specialorces unit. look, you don't get it. we're here because we didn't back you in iraq. we're here for credit on the
national stage. we're not taking casualties to do that. >> that was a french officer and a fascinating conversation how algeria still has france -- >> i come back to washington and washington is obsessed with getting nato to do more. >> right. >> in afghanistan and i'm coming back saying how little they' doing. >> there is still a view that despite the decision to leave on a day, a lot of folks say we didn't take this war seriously until that afghanistan surge that president obama did and there was some general officers who have said that look, this is remarkably more successful. why is it fundamentally it too us so long to get it or try to get on a good course for something that was fundamentally so important? >> i think our strategy, what i experienced both out on the ground and back here really drifted for a while quite frankly. from 2006 when we handed over the effort to nato until we finally made the surge in 2009 and 2010 there was a lot of
wrangling about how well we were doing, what kind of metrics we had and things just shifted. part of it was that we were so involvlved in iraq from a resources standpoint. so when it was evident that afghanistawas really starting to fly backwards, there was nothing to sft in terms of resourceto make it right until the surge was successful in iraq. >> and one of the most fascinating things we're ouof time, one of the fascinating ings was the chain of command, how clear it was in iraq and how absolutely convoluted it was in afghanistan and impeding on operations. >> it was trying to fight one of the most complex type of wars in history in one of the most difficult places in the world with a 42-nation coalitionon. it was probable matich. >> thanks for joining us. >> thank you. >> o on this moneyey minute feature a finance expert tells us if we have you had do anything differt with i.r.a.'s this tax season. >> it's tax time again.
it's one of two things that you can count on in life. the other is change. yes, there are changes going intoffect this year regarding i.r.a.'s. effective january 1, the i.r.s. will allow an owner to make one rollover in one 12-month period regardless of the number of i.r.a.'s. previously it was one for each. that was a big change. let's say you had five different ones one rollover for each as long as you hadn't rolled over y of ose funds within the previo y year. the new rule allows one rollover from one to another in the year regardless of how many you had. thnew rule won't affect your ability to transfer funds from onone trustee to another because this isn't considerere rollover. there are no changes o on the number of conversions from traditional l to roth i.r.a.'s. what does this mean for you? when consoliting funds, plan ahead. and the income limits for contributing to a roth i.r.a.
ll increase b$2,000 in 2015. the if you're eligible, it's a good idea to contribute your full amount. you can maximize your taxree income. if you earn more than the cutoffs, you can convert assets to a roth i.r.a. the momost important thing in making changes or decision regarding your taxes is to consult a tax visor don't forget the website. it's a great resource. >> tnks very much. see you u next week. if you have any financial questions, please let us know the defensenews.com.
>> there are hundreds of memorials and decommissioned ships to commemorate the sacrifice of sailors in war and peace. the u.s.s. constitution and the first nuclear vessel, the submarine nautilus th are i am peckcally maintained and manned by active duty sailors. others are in private or state hands like the olympia, the
flagship at the battle of manila base. these historic ships are quite literally rusting away the ate of texas has vowed to renovate it's 102-year-old battle wagon setting aside $25 million for the project with another $4 milillion to come from private donors. olympia was launched in 1892 and it will cost $10 million to keep the world's oldest steel warship afloat. they are important national lalandmarks worth preserving because they connect us to our history. they're also expensivand labor intensive endeavors. in retirement they fight an endless battle against corrosion. help from congress is unlikely given tight budgets. it's time for a long-term national plan to ensure they survive to inspire further generations. thanks for watching, i'm vago muradian. we have a special report on special operations and coverage
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