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>> announcer: starting right now on abc's "this week" -- it's super bowl sunday. and the countdown is on. just hours to go until the biggest game of the year. and we're going behind the scenes. the intense new security measures officials are taking right now. measles outbreak. the frightening new cases this weekend. are thousands now at risk? how can this scare be contained? 2016 shocker. mitt romney's not running. what that means for the other gop contenders. our exclusive interview with the man some say could be 2016's biggest surprise. from abc news, "this week" with george stephanopoulos begins now. good morning. i'm martha raddatz. we're just hours away from the super bowl kickoff. up to 1 million visitors
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flocking to arizona for the festivities. right now, final security preparations. authorities are taking no chances with incredible measures in place throughout the phoenix area. abc's pierre thomas has an inside look. >> reporter: as more than 65,000 fans head to the super bowl today, many will be greeted by specialized teams of bomb-sniffing dogs. and officers wearing these radiation detectors. everything tracked by surveillance cameras feeding into this command center. undercover officers among the crowd, posing as fans. s.w.a.t. teams nearby. no specific credible threat has been identified. but there is growing concern about lone wolves, radicalized on the internet. >> we have more concerns about domestic-based acts of violence inspired by things that people may read or see on the internet.
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>> reporter: nothing left to chance. every item has been screened. more than 14,000 trucks worth. these x-ray trucks allow the officer to see everything inside. everything gets checked out. >> we have the port-a-potties. we've got everything food hotting tos, hamhot ing to dogs, hamburgers. the nfl paraphernalia. >> reporter: what are you looking for? >> bombs, weapons of mass destruction. >> reporter: above the stadium, a squadron of air power, protecting a 30-mile ring of restricted air space. as i got on board this u.s. customs blackhawk helicopter, it was clear, authorities are deadly serious. a lot of people would say this is overkill. you don't need all these assets to protect the game. what is your response? >> you never know. you have to be prepared. >> reporter: any rogue aircraft that fails to respond could be shot down by fighter jets, like the one i flew in before last year's super bowl. we caught up with the homeland security secretary. as he came to personally inspect the protection plan.
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mr. secretary, i see that pretty big sign. is that how you're trying to frame security here? >> we want the public engaged in our effects. public participation. public vigilance. >> reporter: as for the other huge security story. deflate-gate. have you been asked to do any security on footballs? >> no. nor do i have a team i'm rooting for. i'm rooting for a safe and successful event. >> reporter: for "this week," pierre thomas, abc news, glendale, arizona. >> all right, our thanks to pierre. now let's bring in arizona governor doug ducey. good morning, governor. a great day for the state of arizona. you heard pierre's piece right there. do you have any concerns, last-minute concerns? >> well, good morning, martha. we're really excited for the super bowl. we're very prepared here. we have met with jay johnson, homeland security, cabinet secretary this week. we're working with federal, state, and local officials. we're prepared.
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we think it's gonna be a great day. it's been great week. we had the pro bowl last week. the phoenix open this entire week. so it's gonna be a safe and excellent day for the state of arizona. >> i want to bring up the measles outbreak. you have about 1,000 people potentially exposed. any extra measures because of the measles for people going to the super bowl? >> well, we have -- we're working with our health services here in arizona, both county and local, and like i said, we're working also with all the law enforcement agencies so we make sure that people are safe. we're monitoring that situation. and, we're on the case. we -- we feel good about where we are right now. we're ready for a great day here. >> and we'll have more about the measles in a moment. i want to go to the so-called deflate-gate. your arizona senator, john mccain says there is a cloud over the game because of the controversy over
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deflate-gate and how the nfl handled it. do you agree with him? >> oh, i don't think there's -- this is going to be a great game. we have the best team from the nfc. we have the best team from the afc. i think this stacks up for a great game. i think the oddsmakers have said, this is a pick 'em game. we think it will be great show. we're excited. the whole world is going to be watching this game. and arizona is the center of the sports universe today. we're excited to host it. >> so no cloud over the game at all because of deflate-gate? you don't think it should have been taken care of before the game? >> listen, america loves the nfl. the super bowl. this will be the most watched game in the history of the nfl. let's let the players take care of it on the field. that's how i look at it. >> and governor, any predictions? >> it will be -- i'm a cardinals fan. so i'm rooting for a great, great game. so no predictions here except it will be a safe, wonderful game. >> we hope the same. it will be a great game. thank you, governor ducey.
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so much attention this week on nfl president roger goodell's press conference. he broke his silence on deflate-gate but didn't do much to silence his critics. so how do the players feel about this? let's bring in george atallah, from the nfl players' association. i want to go back to the deflated footballs as well. should they have tried to get this taken care of before the super bowl? >> not really. the collective bargaining process is ongoing. us, as a union, we look for our way to improve the relationship with the nfl. obviously, that process continues. even beyond what happened in the contract in 2011. you know, and most nfl fans know, we implemented a drug policy just recently in 2014 that was a result of a long three-year collective bargaining process. that's what we'll continue to do if we see there are issues that need to be changed. >> your union advised players
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not to discuss deflate-gate while it was going on. richard sherman said he didn't think the patriots would be punished because goodell is close to the patriots' owner, robert kraft. should he be fined for questioning the commissioner's integrity? >> well, no. i think richard sherman is one of our union reps, actually. he was voted by his teammates to be the rep of that team. he is very outspoken, as most of nfl fans know. and i think he's speaking his mind on the business of football. we always encourage players to speak out about how they're feeling and what they're thinking. with respect to their business beyond what happens on first down and second down. and i think we're proud of that as a union to have outspoken leaders who are able to talk about their business in a constructive and thoughtful way. >> and someone who is not so outspoken. marshawn lynch this week came before the media, as he is required to do. we all know he didn't say much. he came out so he wouldn't get fined. is this to the degree of silliness now?
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should he really have to do this? >> is the question again should marshawn be obligated to do the interviews? >> yes. is it beginning to be silly? is it beginning to be silly? should he be required? >> i think part -- he has an obligation to make himself available to the media. i think that he, this week, has done that. in his own way. you heard some of his remarks on thursday. the last day the players were interviewed about why he feels a certain way about being interviewed. again, it's making sure that he is available to the media. he's fulfilled his obligations. and obviously, us as a union, we just support him in a way to make sure that that happens. >> i want to take a look at all of the controversies in the nfl this year. it's a very long list. ray rice domestic violence case, adrian petersen, child abuse. aaron hernandez, murder trial.
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concussion crisis and settlement. are you confident in roger goodell's leadership in these issues? >> i don't have the luxury to be his boss. he has 31 other bosses, with the green bay packers being owned by the great fans of that team, of that city. so for me, we just want to be in a position to obviously react whenever the league violates the collective bargaining agreement. we have to be there to protect our players' rights. we make no apologies for that. we would love to have a better working relationship with the nfl. part of that is their choice. they put the union in a position to stand up and fight for the rights of our players. and that's what we'll continue to do. i think today, obviously, we have a great game. the stadium right behind me. we're excited to be here in a couple of hours. the focus for those four hours will be on the game. once the game ends, we'll look to, hopefully in the offseason, fix some of the issues we have and make it a better business r our fans, for our players, r our sponsors. >> thank you very much, mr.
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atallah. it will be a great game. now to the measles outbreak. the latest case in new york city, where a college student in penn station potentially put thousands of commuters at risk for the contagious virus by riding an amtrak train. take a look at the scope of all of this nationally. 84 measles cases reported across 14 states so far. health officials have urgent warnings for those who refuse the vaccine. here's chief medical editor dr. richard besser. >> reporter: when this 3-year-old showed up with the telltale rash a few weeks ago nobody was more taken aback by this than his mother. >> it was a weird, old-fashioned thing. who gets measles? he had his vaccination. it was shocking to find out he still had gotten measles. >> reporter: in rare cases, the vaccine doesn't work. he made a full recovery. but his story may become more common.
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a tiny minority of harnts has made vak since nations a controversy. since 1998, when a now discredited study claimed autism was connected to vaccines some parents have opted out of the shots. or, have chosen to delay them. worried more about vaccine side effects than the diseases they prevent. dotty started her children on the normal vaccine schedule. but stopped. rrying there were too many ots. >> my biggest concern is the amount of vaccines that our children are now subjected to. which are they get 69 vaccines by the time they're 18 years old. it's double the rate that it was back 30 years ago. and, there's been no long-term studies to see, to say whether or not these are actually truly safe for our children. >> the most compelling study yet finds no connection between autism and the vaccine for measles, mumps, and rubella. >> reporter: even though the
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study linking vaccines and awe 'tis. was debinged even called fraudulent fraudulent the anti-vaccers as they're sometimes called, are still concerned. this doctor won't treat patients that don't get vaccinated. >> i'm drawing a line in the sand. >> reporter: isn't it a parent's right to vaccinate or not vaccinate their child? >> would you send your teen out to drive a car without wearing a seat belt? would you go on a boating trip with your family and decide who wants to wear life jackets and who doesn't? it's like playing russian roulette. >> dr. besser joins us now. and in atlanta, we're joined by the director of the cdc, dr. tom frieden. dr. frieden. i want to start with you. 25 years ago, you were in charge of fighting a measles outbreak in new york city. during that period a major part of the problem was believed to be in poor communities because the people didn't know the importance of vaccines.
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it seems very, very different today. >> it's a different world. i have taken care of kids with measles. it's a serious disease. it would be terrible if we have preventable illness, even death, from this disease that's preventable with a safe and effective vaccine. what we have done is eliminate the economic barriers to vaccination through the vaccines for children program. now we're seeing other barriers as parents are concerned, as your story showed, about the safety of the vaccine. and yet, i make sure that my kids are vaccinated. we have had over 1 billion vaccines given. and, the study after study has shown that there are no negative long-term consequences. in fact, 92% of kids are vaccinated. if you look at kids that are not, most of their parents don't have very strong feelings. they're just concerned maybe measles isn't around anymore. or maybe their kid shouldn't get one more shot. but measles is around. the more kids not vaccinated,
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the more they're at risk and the more they put their neighbors' kids at risk as well. >> dr. besser a lot of people just don't seem to be listening to that advice. i looked a lot at social media in the last couple of days. people seem to be digging in their heels. >> they really are. you hear the same arguments over and over again. as dr. frieden was saying, measles can be a very serious illness. i have seen cases of measles, it's been decades. thankfully. but before we were vaccinated against measles, every year there were 500 children in the u.s. that died from measles. still, around the world, more than 100,000 die every year. it's preventable. >> white house spokesman josh ernest said this week that it's a parental decision. the president supports vaccines. but he said it's a parental
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decision. what happens when one parental decision puts others at risk? >> we're all connected. every one of the measles cases in the u.s. currently ultimately comes from somewhere around the world. a couple of years ago, we had cases largely from france. more recently from the philippines. we're not sure where the current disneyland associated outbreak started. but a traveler went to somewhere in the world, got exposed to measles, came back, and spread it. in the same way in the community, if many kids aren't vaccinated, then those with immune problems are at real risk of getting measles. what you do for your own kids doesn't just affect your family. it affects other families as well. >> dr. besser that's another real point. what about these infants? who protects infants? they're not making up their own minds. should the government try to require this? should they keep kids out of school? >> it used to be the only children at school that were not vaccinated had true medical
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contraindications. they may have an immune problem and couldn't get vaccinated. now there are 19 states that allow personal belief exceptions. i think that is wrong. i used to not see children in my clinic who would not be vaccinated. but i've changed my mind. i try to use that encounter with parents to build trust. to get them to understand why we vaccinate. how it protects their children as well as those in the community. i don't think our public schools should let children in just because their parents choose not the vaccinate. >> thank you very much dr. besser and dr. frieden. coming up, another barbaric isis execution. should the united states and other countries try to negotiate with terrorists to save hostages? and our exclusive interview with wisconsin governor scott walker. is he ready to announce a white house run? and the good news he's getting right now from a key state in 2016. is he the new gop front-runner?
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now, our "closer look." and the news today that isis has beheaded another hostage. a japanese journalist. it comes after the skri haddist group demanded money, then a prisoner swap, to free him. it's a dilemma. should the u.s. or other countries negotiate with terrorists to try to save hostages? let's bring in chief investigative correspondent brian ross, who has all the latest on this. good morning, brian. >> reporter: good morning, martha. the gruesome video showing the severed head of japanese journalist kenji goto came 48 hours after the deadline isis had set for a prisoner swap with jordan. what many u.s. officials said was the inevitable outcome of
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trying to negotiate with the terrorist group. outrage this morning in japan over the murder of kenji goto. many here thought the emotional pleas of his mother and family might save him. including this audio message from his wife, about their two young daughters. >> our baby girl was only three weeks old when kenji left. i hope our oldest daughter, who is just 2, will get to see her father again. >> reporter: but isis, once again, showed no mercy, only brutality. now questions about the decision of the king of jordan to negotiate with the terror group in the first place, giving them a propaganda victory at the very least. >> being dealt with as a state by a state, jordan to isis, further increases its standing and makes it easier for it to recruit. >> reporter: the u.s. was quick to criticize jordan. albeit diplomatically. >> our policy is we don't pay ran some we don't give concessions to other terrorist organizations. >> reporter: except when it does. the u.s. negotiated with the taliban in afghanistan last year
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for the release of captured u.s. army sergeant bowe bergdahl. leading to a strained effort by the white house this week to redefine the taliban in an exchange with abc's jon karl. >> so if i'm hearing you correctly. you're saying the taliban engages in tactics akin to terrorism, but you don't consider them a terrorist group? >> they have different classification. >> reporter: three u.s. citizens have been paraded in front of cameras and then beheaded. the parents of hostage james foley, later complained that a white house military aide threatened to prosecute them in they tried to raise a ransom for their son. >> i was surprised there was so little compassion. these folks talking to us had no idea what it was like to be the family of a kidnapped american. >> reporter: president obama has ordered a government-wide review of how it handles such hostage situations. the white house says one thing
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that is not being reviewed is the u.s. policy of no negotiations, no ransom, no concessions with terror groups. mar thai? . >> thank you very much, brian. let's dig into this with our experts, including brad garrett. and dane egli was senior hostage adviser on president george w. bush's council. he tracked all hostage, hijacking, and kidnaps cases with americans. you heard brian say that the u.s. policy for no concessions, no negotiations, know reward will not change. but they are reviewing this policy. do you think it should change? >> absolutely not. we must hold our ground. we cannot recognize them in this way. give them legitimacy. recognition is what they want. it's all about money. they want to sustain their operations. they must have hard cash to keep it going.
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>> and brad, you have negotiated. we said that leading up to it. you have negotiated with terrorists. so, where is the disconnect? you were working for the fbi at the time. >> exactly. i think the big difference is the following. you don't really know what people want or what they need or where their position is unless you talk to them. granted, you can't walk in the door and talk to isis. you can get intermediaries to talk to them. i'm only suggesting the more you talk, the more information you have, you can make better choices as to what you're going to do next. >> are you saying we should not talk to them? >> no, absolutely not. you do talk to them. but you keep all options on the table. if you're going to appease the wolf at the door with candy, you better have a large candy jar. because they will continue to pulse you. >> aren't there ways around it?
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david rhode who was held hostage said money is changing hands around the world. it may not be from governments. but they get it somehow. shouldn't there be a coming together? >> the reality that we don't talk to terrorists is silly. do we pay them money on the front end? we typically don't, the u.s. but we do it other ways. like for example, during the iran embassy situation in tehran, president carter released $8 billion in assets to get the folks released. this is, there's a lot of horse-trading in reality that goes on in these situations. the public face is often times different than the private reality. >> i want to talk about the jordanians, they still have a pilot there been held hostage. we exchanged bowe bergdahl for five members of the taliban. is that okay to do? is that one of those things, it's the military, never leave man behind. >> highly problematic. i wrote an op ed in july foreseeing the challenge with this. if you look at the verbal jujitsu that the white house is trying to portray.
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and even secretary of defense hague this will week, that if you don't have consensus within the interagency, this is problematic. we have a deep-rooted tradition of not trading, not giving concessions. and this certainly looks like it to the american public. >> just very quickly, brad because you mentioned isis and reaching out to isis. this is a whole different ball game. >> of course it is. i'm not suggesting we can negotiate with isis. but you have to communicate with the people. just because we consider them evil, and they are, doesn't mean we shouldn't talk to them in some form or fashion. because that's how you gain more information. that's how you figure out where are they really? who do they send to the meeting to talk to your intermediary? where is the meeting? those are important things to you and your strategy going down the road. either with isis or other groups. >> thanks very much to both of you. very interesting. coming up our exclusive interview with wisconsin governor scott walker. his moves against labor
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now our exclusive interview with wisconsin governor scott walker. there he is speaking to iowa republicans last weekend as part of the unofficial kickoff to 2016. and it's looking like that appearance was a success. check out these brand-new poll numbers this morning. in an iowa survey from "the des moines register" and bloomberg, walker is now the top gop pick among likely caucusgoers. he jumped from just four
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percentage points back in october. and in our facebook senti-meter, look how his numbers have jumped. governor walker is our exclusive live guest after this from abc's jonathan karl. >> reporter: he's the one that took on the labor unions in a fight that gave birth to the occupy movement. >> all: scott walker's got to go. hey, hey. >> reporter: now, wisconsin governor scott walker hopes to stand out among a crowded field of 2016 hopefuls. >> in america, we value our independence from the government not our dependence on it. >> reporter: he got rave reviews at least week's freedom summit in iowa. that sounded like a presidential campaign speech. at least the beginning of one. >> we've been testing wisconsin. there's no doubt about that. we're looking for good leadership. and, uh we'll see what the future holds. >> reporter: he's become the newest favorite of the conservative media. >> scott walker wowed them in iowa. he is the blueprint for the republican party. scott walker has shown how to do it. >> reporter: walker won three
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elections in just four years in wisconsin. a state that hasn't voted republican in a presidential election in over three decades. back in 2013, he told me the next republican nominee should be somebody well, like scott walker. so describe for me the ideal republican presidential candidate in 2016. >> i think the presidential and vice presidential nominees should be governors. you can't reform washington from within. >> reporter: jon karl, abc news, washington. >> thanks, jon. welcome, governor. >> thank you for having me on. >> mitt romney said i believe one of the next generations of republican leaders may be better able to defeat the democrat nominee. is he talking about you? >> i think there is a whole number of people. i think marco rubio, my friend, fits the bill as well.
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people want new, fresh leadership with big, bold ideas. and the courage to act on it. and if we're going to take on name from the past which is likely to be former secretary of state hillary clinton, i think, for the party, we need a name from the future. >> how do you stand out in the enormous field of gop hopefuls? >> i think as you introduction showed. people can say something. you can give speeches all you want. what we have is not only amongst republican voters. but with independents, people want people who lead. they don't need to agree with you 100% of the time on every issue. but they're so sick and tired of politicians, in both parties, particularly in washington who say one thing on the trail and do something else, i think those 100,000 protesters showed if we think we're doing the right thing for the people, it doesn't matter what the intimidation factor, we'll stand up and stand up for them. >> there are enormous foreign policy challenges going ahead. which the next president will inherit. one of your potential rivals, for the gop nomination senator
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marco rubio, said a governor with eyes on the presidency could acquire a global strategic leadership vision. but taking a trip to some foreign city for two days does not make you henry kissinger. i think you met with henry kiss kissinger. >> i think the senator has great vision. marco is a great guy. this week end, i got to see former secretary of state george schultz, and madeleine albright. as well as mr. kissinger. governors don't just take trips. i have gotten risk assessments about my state and around the country. i'm so worried about the future, not just of our country but our world. we need leadership. >> let's talk specifics. you talk about leadership and you talk about big, bold, fresh ideas. what is your big, bold, fresh idea in syria? >> i think -- i go back to the red line. >> let's not go back. let's go forward.
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what is your big, bold idea? >> i think aggressively, we need to take the fight to isis and any other radical islamic terrorists around the world. it's not a matter of when they -- not if, i should say, it's when they plan an attack on american soil. we need leadership amongst the united states and our allies. we need people to know we're willing to take appropriate action. >> you don't think 2,000 air strikes is taking it to isis in syria and iraq? >> i think we need to have an aggressive strategy anywhere around the world. i think it's a mistake. >> what does that mean? i don't know what aggressive strategy means. we've done 2,000 air strikes. what is an aggressive strategy? >> we have to go beyond air strikes. we have to look at other surgical methods. and ultimately we have to be prepared to put boots on the ground, if that's what it takes. >> in syria? u.s. boots on the the ground in syria? >> i don't think that's an immediate plan. >> you wouldn't rule it out? >> i wouldn't rule anything out.
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when you have the lives of americans at stake and our freedom-loving allies anywhere in the world, we have to be prepared to do anything that will not allow those attacks, the abuses to come to our shores. >> let's turn to domestic issues. immigration. we know you want to fix the border. the immigration system. what would you do about the 11 million undocumented who are still here? >> i think, for sure, we need to secure the border. we need the enforce the legal system. i'm not for amnesty. i'm not an advocate of the plans that have been pushed in washington. and i think, should i become a candidate, because i'm not yet, it's part of the exploratory process. we're a country of balance. we're a country of immigrants and laws. we can't ignore the laws or the people that come in. whether it's mexico or central america. >> is deporting them possible? do you see deporting 11 million people? >> that's not what i'm advocating. >> you're not advocating? >> i'm saying in the end, we need to enforce the laws of the united states. find a way for people to have a legitimate legal immigration system. and that doesn't mean amnesty.
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>> the republican nominee could be in a race against hillary clinton. let's just say it's you. what would you say to hillary clinton? what is the best case against hillary clinton? >> well, i think the biggest thing i hear from americans applies in the primary and the general. if i were a candidate, if i ultimately had earned the nomination. and that is i think people want to look to the future. they don't want to go back in time. they don't want to repeat what happened. we need a candidate from the 21st century. not the 20th century. that's what her husband brought to the table in 1992 when he picked al gore. >> what marks the difference between those two? >> a think former secretary of state clinton embodies all the things we think of washington. she lives here, works here, part of the washington structure for years. i think washington represents the top-down government knows best. go along to get along mentality. i think americans want fresh, new ideas. that build the economy from the ground up. they want to put the power back in the hands of the people.
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not just at the state and local level, but of individual americans. i don't think they want government telling them what to do. that's what i've been advocating for a long time. i want to end with, because 're talking about the super bowl. you and i were talking about football. you played high school football. your two sons played high school football. >> they did. wide receivers. >> you love football. but when you look at the concussions? you look at what's happened, can you imagine saying to your grandchildren, yeah, go do that? >> we have good standards in wisconsin. one of my kids had an early concussion a few years ago and they were checked immediately, held out for ten days. that should have happened a long time ago. i'm hopeful other states around the country would do that. i would enjoy football a whole lot momore if i had -- >> if you were out there in arizona? >> watching the packers taking on the patriots. i think like anything in life, there are ways of doing it that are responsible. i still think football can be responsible in america. >> one last one, 99% chance you'll run?
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>> i don't know that i would take the odds. i'll tell you one thing. after three election in a state that has nod gone republican in decades, i wouldn't bet against anything. >> thank you, governor walker. up next, instant reaction from "the roundtable." and is hillary clinton thinking about delaying her announcement? when the flu hits, it's a really big deal. the aches. the chills. the fever. an even bigger deal? everything you miss out on... family pizza night. the big game. or date night. why lose out to the flu any longer than you have to? prescription tamiflu can help you get better 1.3 days faster. that's 30% sooner. call your doctor right away. and attack the flu virus at its source with prescription tamiflu. tamiflu is fda approved to treat the flu in people 2 weeks and older whose flu symptoms started within the last two days. before taking tamiflu tell your doctor if you're pregnant, nursing,
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♪ time for this week's "politics buzz board." topping it off, mitt romney bows out. announcing he's not running in 2016. >> i decided it's best to give other leaders in the party the opportunity to become our next nominee. >> so will the big contributors
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thinking of helping mitt now move over to jeb? meanwhile, reports hillary clinton may wait until summer to formally launch a campaign. >> whatever she wants to do, i'm for. if she decided not to do it, i would give her the bucket list and we would go check 'em off. >> while rand paul vies for the title of troller in chief. zinging jeb and hillary in this fake secret tape. >> i just wanted to call and give you a heads up in hopes we could work something out. >> what do you mean jeb? it's clearly my turn. bush, clinton, bush, now clinton. >> okay, the "roundtable" is here. fwoo when ifill, co-host of the news hour on pbs. rich lowry, editor of the national review. lz granderson espn and cnn contributor, and matthew dowd
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abc news political analyst. matthew, i want to start with romney before we get into scott walker. deciding not to run this week. at one point, he clearly thought he was going to win. he took stacks of polling data to meet with jeb bush. what happened? >> he decided not to run. then decided clearly to run. then he decided not running. i think he looked at this sterilely and clinically and figured out, this wasn't going to happen. the third time in this race wasn't going to happen. the problem mitt romney always had, and i think he had it with contributors, what is the authentic mitt romney? this time, he was going to run, i'm the authentic mitt romney. that's what he was going to do. i think he finally decided, this wasn't going to happen. >> hard to do authentic three times in. >> three versions of authentic isn't good. >> our friend in the washington post wrote, this has quickly become the largest prospective field of republican candidates and the most wide-open nomination contest in the modern history of the party. that caught my eye. >> aren't you excited? aren't you excited? >> i know you're excited. >> i am.
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>> is it as wide open as it really seems? when you look at a guy like scott walker. >> sure it's wide open. nobody was talking about scott walker a week ago. he gave the speech in iowa. the poll came out. now everybody is talking about him. all the people lined up that were going to give money to mitt now will give money to jeb. now they have to pause to look at scott walker. it's not just the three of them. there are ten more people who all sincerely feel they have a shot because they think hillary clinton is gettable. for that reason, republicans have to consider all possibilities. >> and rich in the des moines register this week, speaking of scott walker and his good couple of weeks, it said the wisconsin governor is the number two most popular choice for likely caucusgoers who want an establishment candidate. and he's the number two for those who want an anti-establishment candidate, the poll shows. it's the sweet spot. >> it's a perfect spot to be. if you were going the create the perfect candidate on paper, a midwest governor, with some national profile, a national fund-raising network.
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and some credibility both with the establishment -- >> didn't scott walker just say that? >> that's the truth. and scott walker agrees with me. >> zing gwen. >> can scott walker scale up his wisconsin operation nationally? what is his national policy portfolio? all that remains to be seen. there's an enormous amount of goodwill and interest in scott walker among the grass roots. >> and lz look at one take on walker's message. the atlantic saying, he's a retro candidate. walker concedes nothing to the conventional wisdom about what the gop must do to compete in a more culturally tolerant, ethnically diverse and economically insecure america. and the gop faithful love it. >> well if you remember after 2012 one of the first things some republicans were saying the reason why we lost is because we were not conservative enough. that mitt romney was too much in
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the middle. they almost said the same thing about senator mccain as well. so walker, while it's true to conventional wizsdom that they say he needs to be bigger. they want someone who reminds them of the good old days, whatever that is. scott walker has that energy, that aura about him. >> does that work? >> i think he's, as rich said in the perfect spot right now. we talked on election night in november. i said if the republicans were smart, they would go to the great lakes and pick a governor from the great lakes. it is the battleground now for 2016. scott walker is authentic. you nay not agree with him, but he's an authentic guy. that's actually at a premium. he's a competent governor. the question i think scott walker has is can he pass the test of the national campaign? you get pulled one way or the other as soon as you start making announcements. can he come across as hopeful,
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optimistic compassionate, that embraces the general election? >> the other thing about walker, he's involved in current fights. this is the biggest question i think that jeb bush has to answer in this race. why is someone who hasn't run for office since 2002, has basically sat out the entire obama era, why should he be the new leader of the republican party? >> that poll is really bad for jeb bush. he's fifth in the iowa poll when you take out mitt romney. that is a big problem. i think jeb has to find way to update his resume. he's not been around enough. his last name isn't good in the republican primary and the general election. it's the old. folks want the new. i think jeb -- jeb is in a real test, in my view. his test is can he build the momentum that forces other people out of the race? >> can i say something about scott walker? does anybody else find it interesting that he referenced marco rubio not once not twice, but maybe three times in talking
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to martha? jeb is perceived to be able to reach out. there's a reason why he's invoking marco rubio. i'm not sure what it is. but i'll be watching it. >> let us know when you figure it out. >> i'll let you know. >> i want to move on to hillary clinton. you mentioned hillary clinton, of course. there are reports this week, that hillary clinton may not announce null until july. >> why bother? colin powell said the last popular day of his life was the -- would be the day before he announced. you needily drop. people go, i think, oh, wait, i know you. you sit on the sidelines without any, as far as we can tell so far, credible or believable competition. there's no reason to get out yet. >> you talk about people, looking at hillary clinton. as entitled. is this -- does this do that to her? if she doesn't jump in until july can she carry that, oh, she just thinks she has it? >> there's definitely my reporting, i have definitely found there's a pretty strong
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voice on the lib rat left side that wants someone else to run. elizabeth warren, because they don't want hillary. with that being said she knows, and everyone else basically knows, if she decides to run, she'll probably get the nomination. so there's no reason to jump in early when you know -- >> is there a down side matthew? >> they don't want to run an entitled campaign, but oh, by the way, here's the vice presidential nominees we're thinking about making. it seems conflicted. i don't think the timing is a problem. i think she has to figure out what is the tone of her campaign? and who is her team? right now, her team looks to be a lot of people that have run all the old campaigns. the old folks of the hillary world. her timing, she can decide any time. and i agree with gwen. the longer she delays is probably better. only if she shows up with the right message, the right tone, the right team. if not, she has a problem. >> she has an element of history on her side as well. and the opportunity, and i'm
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just going to put it out there, the opportunity to vote for the first female president is still a very compelling conversation to have. we just had the first minority elected into it. i don't see why that's not part of the messaging as well. >> my young people say, yeah, it's a great opportunity. but hey, there will be many more to come along. >> we were excited last time, too, they'll say. >> this is a problem. one, is you hit on the key word entitlement. she can hurt herself with her own sense of high-handedness. if she takes this too far. they're floating they might not participate in primary debates. that would be a terrible idea. as a sheer politician, she seems to be much more in the al gore category than the bill clinton or barack obama category. she's not a natural at this. she'll have a little trouble connecting with people. even as she's making the argument. >> could she use the practice? >> of course. we could all use practice. if i recall well i think bill clinton floated he wasn't going to participate. when he was running for re-election. i think there's something about making yourself above it all. the most important thing i have
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heard about the elizabeth warren wing of the party, so to speak. it's not just that she's going to run or that bernie sanders will be a real threat. they can stir the atmosphere in a way that makes hillary clinton change her tone and respond in a way and speak to that part of the party. you don't have to be a candidate to do that. >> we'll have more in a minute. but before we go to our break, our powerhouse puzzler. oh, no. here's the question. name the president who performed a super bowl coin toss via satellite -- that narrows it down -- from the white house. right back with the answer.
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okay, which president performed a super bowl coin toss via satellite? let's see who knows their super powell history. >> i said clinton. >> president clinton. jiminy carter.
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>> i'm a good conservative. the answer is always reagan. >> wow. >> none of us have a clue. >> one person has the correct answer. and here it is. >> mr. president, will you please toss the coin? >> it is tails. >> president reagan. second inauguration happened the day after that coin toss. i won't ask anybody who was playing in that game. a couple of you might know. i do not. we're back with "the roundtable." and, while we're on football, lz, i want to start with you. look back at the year. obviously, the super bowl, a great day. so much enthusiasm. look back at this last year. you saw the long list that we played earlier of what has happened this year. we have concussions. child abuse charges, domestic abuse, we have deflate-gate. reflect on that.
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>> well, it's interesting that everyone else, and everyone else, i mean viewers and fans, are starting to realize what reporters have been talking about for a long time. which is that the athletes particularly those in the nfl, seem to be getting away with a lot of things that haven't angered people. this is not the first time there's been conversations about cheating, domestic violence. this seasons the first time we have talked about concussions. 2014 was the first time there was a video put in the faces of the american people that registered with them emotionally. now people are paying attention. really paying attention. >> do you think things change? >> i don't think so. i think we'll see today, at the super bowl, there are tens of thousands, millions of people who are still willing to put aside everything else they have heard, everything else we have learned, and just enjoy the game. basically they don't want to be bothered by it. they may know. the evidence may be in front of them, it's almost sad that many americans don't want to be bothered. >> do we expect too much from
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our football players off the field? >> well, i think, actually if you look statistically, the arrest rates are lower than they are for men their age in the general population. the super bowl is a civic festival on par with thanksgiving or july 4th. it's unassailable. and any controversy and more conversation, no matter what's generating it, only helps it. >> it depresses me. >> the problem to me. and you know this. i have said that i think roger goodell should have resigned. i think the culture in place in many ways is something he hasn't fixed. on all the issues you mentioned, he's been incredibly slow. the problem to me is, we have 31 owners, who basically don't seem to care as long as the cash keeps coming in. they don't seem to want to hold roger goodell accountable. they don't want to do anything about the big issues. until the pocketbook, i think, until they're affected there, i'm afraid nothing will get done. so it's the fan, ultimately, will have to put their money town and say, we're not going to
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do it anymore. >> that doesn't look like it would change. >> i would challenge the 31 owners part. it's more than that because the green pay packers are owned by the citizens of green bay. zbloo we're making scott walker's day this morning. >> yes, you are. what is this, a cheering section? fast predictions. >> seahawks. i love marshawn lynch. >> patriots. they figure out tough "ds." >> the yankee fan, i have a soft spot for evil empires. patriots by three. >> this are nachos for me somewhere today. that's all i care about. >> and for 12 years, i have to go with the patriots. we'll be back after this from
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and we end with some good news. the pentagon did not release any names of service members killed this week in afghanistan or iraq. that's all for us today. thanks for sharing part of your sunday with us. check out "world news tonight." we'll see you back here next week. have a great day and a great super bowl.
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washington is noisy. so let's quiet it down and get the facts on the keystone xl pipeline: the us state department esmates the project will support over 42,000 american jobs.
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washington's noisy. so let's quiet it down and get the facts on the keystone xl pipeline: the pipeline will transport canadian and american oil to u.s. refineries to be used by americans - not exported overseas.


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