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>> announcer: starting right now on abc's "this week" -- all eyes on iowa. donald trump bringing his front-runner campaign to the fair, the center of state fair, the center of the political universe. >> they're saying hillary clinton didn't draw this kind of crowd. >> not even close. >> we're right with him, in the chopper, with the crowds. what he's doing now to hold the lead, while ben carson and carly fiorina surge in the polls. they're here live. and hillary's new headache. her e-mail firestorm growing. the latest on the fbi investigation. plus, the big buzz that joe biden and al gore could be eyeing a 2016 run. from abc news, a special edition of "this week" with martha raddatz, reporting live from the iowa state fair, begins now. good morning.
organizers say a million people will visit the iowa state fair, but it's just one person who managed to steal the show this weekend. we were with billionaire and gop front-runner donald trump every step of the way. trump, front and center from the start. >> you're going to love me in terms of immigration and illegal immigration. we're building a wall -- it's going to be a wall that -- nobody's going through my wall, trump builds walls i build walls. i don't think i have made mistakes. they do the polls and my numbers go up. you want to know what things i'm going to do different for this country? almost everything. because that's what has to happen. everything we do is wrong. the military, we're not taking care of the military. we're not taking care of our veterans. we're not taking care of our country. we're not taking care of our finances and our trade deals.
when was the last time you saw this country have a victory? we don't have victories. >> this morning, so many new questions about 2016, can donald trump keep up this momentum? how will his opponents step out of his shadow? we'll ask two top contenders shortly. what does all of this mean for a race unlike anything we have seen before? even before his helicopter the landed donald trump was the star attraction at the iowa state fair this weekend. forget the livestock and fried on the stick delicacies. it was trump, trump, trump. when the billionaire candidate finally descended from the sky, we joined a few lucky kids for a ride better than any roller coaster. this is pretty exciting? >> yeah. >> it's very trumplike. >> it's me. i am who i am. it's good for the kids. the kids love it. >> four years ago, here, the people at the bottom of the polls didn't do so well.
>> who was here? who was? >> well, you had michele bachmann and rick santorum. >> but they're not me. they're not me. i have had a lot of fun. i have never run for office before. i love what's happening. >> his brashness, outspokenness, clearly the draw here. >> will president donald trump be the same as candidate trump with foreign leaders? can you imagine yourself -- >> i think even better. because foreign leaders, i have had great relationships over the years and you can see that. i have had great relationships with people over the years. i think even better. i'm doing well, i'm leading in every poll. i'm leading in iowa. make america great again. make america great again. >> while in the coming months he promises details about how he'll solve america's problems, he had few specifics this weekend. let me ask you a serious foreign policy question, what would you
do about isis using chemical weapons? >> i think it's disgraceful. you can't allow it to happen. >> what do you do? send in ground troops? >> say that again. >> what trump wanted to talk about was hillary. they're saying hillary didn't draw this kind of crowd. >> not even close. >> after a few pork chops i caught up with trump again to ask about any female opponent -- what do you think about carly fiorina? you had some pretty tough words for her. >> very nice woman. she got fired. she did a terrible job at hewlett pakard overshadowed by trump juggernaut, it was hard for other republicans to be heard, senator rick santorum who won iowa four years ago, thought a direct comparison was the best. >> someone with a parade, with all this secret service. someone flying around in a
helicopter. someone flipping burgers. who do you want to be president? what you saw or the guy at the grill? >> reporter: the democratic candidates drew large crowds as well. hillary clinton found plenty of fans but didn't speak at the event's famous soapbox. her challenger, senator bernie sanders did. senator sanders, no helicopters for you today? >> i left it at home in the garage. >> do you think i want bernie sanders or i don't want hillary clinton? >> no. i think people are responding to our message, there is a deep frustration, which sometimes, inside the beltway, pundits don't see. there's a deep frustration with establishment politics and economics. they want the government to represent ordinary people. >> for decades the state fair has been a must-do for
presidential wannabes and it has a history of tripping them up. radio iowa's o. kay henderson has seen it all. >> you want to be careful what food you eat, you want to be careful about the fashion. >> in 2011, mitt romney's famous words would come back to haunt him. today, candidates know too well the power of the fair. >> i'll try not to do anything that will end my political aspirations here today at the soapbox. >> reporter: trump is the clear front-runner here in iowa, but another political outsider surged into second place after the first debate. dr. ben carson joins us now. great to see you, dr. carson. >> thank you. >> you're running second to trump in the latest poll here in iowa. neither of you have held elected office, what do you bring to iowa voters that he does not?
>> well, you know, we all have had different life experiences, my life experiences have included a lot of very, very complex situations that people have been trying to solve for a long time that we were able to solve. and it wasn't necessarily because i was the smartest person that ever existed, it was because of being able to use the talent pool that existed around me. i think that's a very important factor. and everybody's different. and you know the nice thing about this process that we have, is people will have an opportunity to see what really works for them. >> i think you would probably say he solved some complex problems as well, but certainly not in surgery. let me ask you about a tweet from donald trump last november. he wrote, sadly because president obama has done such a poor job as president, you won't see another black president for generations! your reaction to that? >> i have heard a lot of people say things like that, and that
would tend to indicate that for them, the color of one's skin was more important than the content of one's character. i don't believe that's true. and, you know as i travel around the country, north, south, east, west, humongous crowds, very enthusiastic. i don't get any indication that color means that much to them. i think it's way overblown. >> okay, you made some controversial comments this week about planned parenthood. saying, one of the reasons you find most of their clinics in a black neighborhoods is so that you can find a way to control that population. do you think planned. parenthood is targeting african american communities to control population? >> well, again, you have to go back to the beginnings of planned parenthood and margaret singer, who believed that certain people were like weeds that needed to be controlled. >> but we're talking today, planned parenthood estimates
fewer than 5% of its health centers are located in areas where more than one-third where the population is african-american. >> i believe we could find data quite contrary to that. i have seen some of their maps. >> but you just don't believe that data -- >> well, here's what's important. margaret singer believed that certain people including blacks, were inferior, and that the way you strengthen the society is you get rid of them. >> i'm confused about your stance on abortion, do you believe there should be an exception for incest and rape? >> i believe tha once conception has been achieved, it is a human life and i have spent my entire career -- >> you believe life believes at conception. >> i do believe that. >> when the heartbeat started -- >> no, what i believe is life starts at conception. i said there are a lot of people
who think that it's at the heartbeat and i think most people can come to the conclusion that once you have a heartbeat, that you clearly have a living organism. >> so, no exceptions to rape and incest? >> what i have said is that, i have spent my life trying to save life not trying to destroy it. >> you also made some comments about the fight against isis this week saying, you would use every resource we have to take the land from them, take the oil from them, how do you do that? do you send in ground troops? >> coalitions and enthusiasm generally tends to follow success. if you don't provide leadership, you're never going to get the people over there to join you. which is what we have been
thinking that, somehow they're going to form a coalition, they're going to provide the ground troops. we may have to initially do some things ourselves, but i believe that we will have -- >> what kind of things, ground troops or no ground troops? >> ground troops may well be necessary. >> under a thousand or 10,000? >> well, i don't pretend to be able to know the name without a lot of information and that's one of the reasons that we have generals and people who really are able to figure out what needs to be done. >> okay, thanks very much. dr. carson for joining us. have fun here today. >> thank you. turning now to the only woman in the republican field, who is catching fire here in iowa after her strong performance in the undercard debate last week. earlier, you heard donald trump calling her a nice lady. but he had some harsher words for her on friday. watch. >> carly was a little nasty to me. be careful, carly. be careful. but i can't say anything to her
because she's a woman and i don't want to be accused of being tough on women. i can't do that, right? >> and carly fiorina is here with me. what is your reaction to that? >> oh, honestly, you know, i find it sort of amusing. i don't spend a lot of time thinking about or focusing on what donald trump is saying. when his insults are below the belt to someone then i will make a comment just as i did when president obama called anyone who disagreed with his iranian deal equivalent to the hard-liners chanting death to america. i just think insults aren't helpful to the political process. we've got a lot of serious issues here. but most of the time i spend my time answering voters' questions. >> do you think donald trump will alienate female voters? >> well, you know, it's not clear to me that donald trump is
a republican, based upon his willingness to run a third-party bid. and some of the positions he's taken. but i think it's really important as i go out there and talk, what i hear, what i see, are both men and women who are sick of a professional political class. they're sick of the festering problems in the washington, d.c. they agree that it's ridiculous in the smartest and the richest country in the world that we can't get basic things done like serve our veterans and hold government accountable for being competent. >> i want to turn to hillary clinton, you said she couldn't play the gender card in this race, but do you believe that you bring anything to this race as a woman that your male counterparts do not? >> you know, i'm not running because i'm a woman, i'm running because i believe our nation is at a pivotal time, and i think i have a unique experience that in understanding the economy, understanding the players on the world stage, honestly better
than anyone else running probably, understanding big bureaucracies. the fact is i'm a woman, half this nation are women, 54% of voters are women. and ultimately, i think our commander-in-chief, the president of the united states has to represent all americans, men and women. i'm a conservative, not a progressive like hillary clinton because i believe that our policies work better to lift women and men up, regardless of their circumstances. >> and i want your reaction to hillary clinton turning over her server, her e-mail server, and reports of classified e-mails on that server. >> well, you know, in the debate last week, i made the statement that hillary clinton has lied. she's lied about benghazi, she's lied about her server and she's lied about her e-mails. and there were some in the media
that found that language harsh. the more this story goes on, the more it becomes clear that she has lied and it's clear that this server was parked in some i.t. firm in new jersey getting cleaned -- boy, that raise all kinds of issues and it's almost hard to believe, it's strange credulity to accept that a secretary of state, who handled all of her communications on a home server, never passed classified information on her device and over that server. of course, she did. now, we're finding out she did as usual. the cover-up is worse than the crime. >> you also made comments last month on fox that hillary has blood on her hands when it comes to benghazi, are you saying she was responsible -- somehow responsible for the death of those americans? >> what i'm saying is, the night that benghazi attack happened, secretary of state clinton, president obama and others knew that this was a purposeful,
preplanned terrorist attack. nevertheless, the next morning, she addressed the american people from the state department and talked about a video and how it didn't represent the values of the american people and several days later, she stood over the bodies of the fallen and said the same. what she should have said that morning was the truth. this is purposeful terrorist attack and we will seek retribution. instead, she basically apologized. so what signal did that send? what signal did that send to all the bad guys all over the world? the signal it sent, open season, we can attack embassy, murder four americans and nothing is going to happen. >> what would you have done differently in libya, would you have carried out air strikes? >> well, you know, it's interesting. i find the foreign policy of secretary of state clinton and president obama entirely inconsistent.
at the time, when bombing raids were conducted over libya, the rationale was to prevent bloodshed and horror. you know, we had to step in to save people's lives, that's a good rationale as far as it goes. but we never used it again. we have done nothing in syria, we really are sitting by when we could be leading a coalition of arab allies to defeat isis. i disagree we're at the point where we need to put tens of thousands of boots on the ground. what i think we need to do to provide king abdullah of jordan with the bombs and materials that we has been requesting for a year and a half. >> you think he could do that without u.s. ground troops? >> i think the jordanians, the saudis, the kuwaitis, the kurds are all fighting isis on the ground.
they know this is their fight. yes, they need leadership, resolve, support and material from us. we haven't provided any of it. if we did, it would make a big difference. >> do you think you'll be on the debate stage next month? >> well, i certainly hope so, i think we have gathered a lot of good momentum. you know, i prefer to call it the happy hour debate, by the way, but when i went into that debate, less than 40% of republican voters had ever heard my name. i'm not a professional politician, i'm not a celebrity. so as more and more people get to know who i am, our support continues to grow. i'm looking forward to being at the fair tomorrow, on the soapbox tomorrow. >> okay, t thanks so much, ms. fiorina. next, matthew dowd and donna brazile are standing by for full analysis of where this race stands. the donald is dominant, how long will that last? they'll break it all down.
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his competitors fight to catch up. but with trump short on policy proposals and polarizing voters across the spectrum, why is he still thrilling so many here and can he keep the momentum going all of the way to the voting booth? our political analyst matt dowd sat down with a group of fairgoers to find out. ♪ ♪ >> yes. >> hello, my name is billy wilson. >> hi, my name is jan. i'm a life long iowan. >> my name is mark. i'm a republican. >> my name is cierra. i'll be a senior in high school. >> who are you going to vote for? >> trump. >> donald trump. >> donald trump. >> donald trump. >> reporter: what is driving your vote for donald trump? >> number one he's not a politician. >> i think his willingness to
speak out and speak his mind. i think that's very important. >> he won't back down. >> i think he'll be an excellent president. i think he'll bring jobs back. >> reporter: what would worry you? in the next six, eight months. >> his words, maybe. >> when you say his words, so he pops off and says something? >> yeah, i mean, he's not a politician, he's not used having to practice what to say, he speaks his mind like a lot of people do, not like a politician would. >> any of the things that have been said about him in the last few weeks cause you concern that, the name-calling, the sort of the bullying that people have said about him? >> we're so used to hearing that, it's a broken record. so, it doesn't bother me one iota. i don't think he's getting a fair rap on a lot of these issues i have been seeing on television. >> i agree with what he said. i think megyn kelly treated him bad --
>> is your reaction in support of donald trump more of a gut reaction to the person he is and how he comes across, less something that has to do with a specific list of issues. >> it's for me as well. i don't see that political thing that we have been seeing this past many years. just a gut feeling i have for him. >> this is a long race, do you think he has the capacity to go the distance? >> i think he can. >> i think he can. >> he's ready. >> and matt joins us now and matt, i saw the same thing over the weekend, what is it about trump, why does he have such staying power? >> it's fascinating. it has nothing to do with policy with the exception of immigration, which is consistent across the voters i talked to in his stand on him. it's all persona. all of his liabilities, his bravado the name-calling, they think it is an asset.
they want someone to take anyone on internationally and nationally. i don't think this is going anywhere. i think this is long-lasting. it's a deep emotional attachment. it's all gut, no head. all gut. >> it sure seems to be. thanks, matt. much more on that later. next, hillary clinton stands her ground. the latest on that fbi investigation into her home e-mail server. o her home e-mail server. why are you deleting these
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hillary clinton enjoying some of the famous fried food here at the iowa state fair yesterday. but she couldn't escape a grilling from reporters about her private e-mail server and that fbi investigation. the democratic front-runner is pushing back hard, arguing the controversy is just partisan politics. abc's jon karl has the latest. >> reporter: out in iowa this weekend, hillary clinton joked about the thousands of e-mails she deleted from her time as secretary of state. >> i recently launched a snapchat account. i love it. i love it. those messages disappear all by themselves.
>> reporter: but her infamous private server is now in the hands of the fbi, which is intensifying its investigation into the handling of classified information in her e-mails. according to sources familiar with the investigation, it's already been determined that at least two of the e-mails included information that's top secret, some of it from so-called signals intelligence, among the most sensitive intelligence there is. investigators are also trying to determine if the chinese or russians were able to get access to clinton's private e-mails. >> anyone who works around this level of classified information knows the sensitivity. >> reporter: in the most intriguing new development, platte river networks, the colorado company that set up her server, told abc news it's highly likely that a full backup of the server was made. those thousands of e-mails she deleted may still exist. the company says it's cooperating with the fbi.
clinton continues to brush off questions about her e-mails as a partisan distraction. >> i think that, you know, this is the usual partisanization of anything that goes on. and i have been at this for a really long time. >> reporter: republicans say it's much more than that. >> she should come clean and deal with this. this is an issue. it's not a distraction, for sure. >> reporter: hillary clinton's troubles may be creating an opening for a democratic challenger. bernie sanders is already surging and joe biden spent last week weighing his options. hillary clinton is now here on martha's vineyard where she saw president obama at a birthday party for a mutual friend. white house officials are watching weary as vice president biden makes his decision. as one top official told me, it would be awkward if biden decides to run and the president has to remain neutral in a race that pits his former secretary of state against his vice president. martha.
>> thanks, jon. >> republican congressman trey gowdy is the chairman of the select committee investigating the attack on the consulate in benghazi. he joins us now. chairman gowdy, give us your reaction to hillary clinton turning over her e-mail server. >> it's about time. we asked her to do that in march to an independent detached third party. either a retired judge or the inspector general. it should have happened in march, for two reasons, one is classified information perspective or issue, and the second reason to do it is to ensure the public record is complete. >> from what you have heard, do you believe hillary clinton broke the law? >> well, i would have no idea. that was my former job and i wasn't very good at it then. andd i'm not going to engage in it now.
i do know this it was a very unusual e-mail arrangement she had with herself. most of the explanations she has given have proven to be false. her decision to handle her e-mail in this way has delayed our ability to do our job with respect to benghazi and it remains to be seen whether or not she's placed national security information at risk. >> mr. chairman, secretary clinton signed a statement over the weekend, declaring under penalty of perjury, she has turned over to the government all of the e-mails that were federal records. >> well, i read that statement, and if you read that statement, you'll know why people hate lawyers as much as they do. i don't read the statement that way and i can't read the statement that way because i know that to be false. remember those 15 e-mails that sidney blumenthal gave our committee that she
didn't turn over to the state department. all related to her public records. so, we know for a fact that she did not turn all over records all documents to the state department. how she can represent that to a federal judge under oath is something that i suspect that judge will ask her. >> and you obviously think she's lying? >> well, i don't use the word lie i just tell you it's false. and i can just tell you, that we found 15 documents that should have been produced to the state department that she did not produce to the state department. but that's just one of the five explanations she's given with respect to her e-mail arrangement that has also proven to be false. whether she's terribly mistaken a lot, or whether there's an intent to deceive, i'm not smart enough to answer that question. i can just tell you this, she's wrong. >> thank you, chairman gowdy. we turn to senator
claire mccaskill, a clinton supporter. i would like your reaction to what mr. gowdy said. >> secretary of state clinton wasn't the first secretary of state to use personal e-mail. she's the only one that has turned over tens upon thousands of her e-mails and asked them to become public. now, she's turned over her server, what this has turned into is a good old-fashioned political witch hunt. >> senator mccaskill, it's illegal to have classified information, especially top secret, outside a secure facility, correct? >> she did not do that. that information at the time it was sent or received was not classified. so, it may have been classify later. but secretary clinton utilized hard copies for reviewing top-secret information. >> secretary clinton's people are very careful to say it was not marked "classified," but jon karl reported that at least two
e-mails were top secret. our experts are saying, when you deal with top-secret material, you know it's top secret. >> well, i would differ with that. because i know in one instance, it was a discussion of a drone, all information had been published in a public newspaper. so, i think that there is -- >> but should the secretary of state know what classified material when she reads it whether it's marked or not. >> the point is, martha, she has been so forthcoming, they have the entire server. no one that i know of has figured out what motive hillary clinton would have to in any way make our country vulnerable. so, i really think, if you look at this committee, if you look at all of the accusations, this has become just a partisan -- this is called "get hillary clinton" committee. that's what this committee is about. >> i want to talk about general
petraeus briefly, though, he pleaded guilty for mishandling information, classified information, and those were largely handwritten notes not marked classified, and yet those e-mails were on a server where others could hack into that. different from david petraeus, more serious if you think about it. >> well, obviously the server has been turned over, all of this information will be gone through, i think at the end of the day, we're going to determine what we know right now -- that this is just a lot of political partisan smoke. that secretary clinton behaved the way she should as secretary of state. and did a terrific job while she was there. >> how much do you think this hurts her going forward? this could take a long time. >> i think the american people get what this is, i think they know that she has a record of being a fighter, she's going to fight through this primary, she's going to win this
nomination. this is a woman with decades of a records as a champion for the middle class in the country. when people make up their mind next november, it is going to be about which policies and which candidate shows strength and stability, i think she's going to be in great shape. >> and, senator, i want to turn to your new book lately, you detail several instances -- of sexual harassment, sexism during your time as a representative in the missouri house. do you think it still goes on today to the point where there's not that many women running for president? >> i think we are beginning, i hope, to reach an era where we see more and more women candidates for the top office in our country. certainly, i have seen progress in the years i have been doing it. but as the book tells, it's been an amazing roller coaster and an incredible sexist behavior when i was very young in these jobs. it's a little better today. certainly better as a united states senate.
we just had an incident in the missouri legislature where interns came forward and it cost two poll situations their jobs. so, obviously, we still have a lot more work to do. >> we certainly do. we thank you, senator mccaskill, much more from the iowa state fair coming up. will donald trump surge last? the roundtable covers every angle after this. last? the roundtable covers every angle after this.
back now at the iowa state fair, each year more than a million people flock here for the food, farm animals and good, old-fashioned fun, and every four years, there's an added attraction -- a chance to meet the field of candidates running for president. i'm joined now by iowa governor terry branstad who knows these fairgrounds and iowa's political landscape better than most and what do you make of what's happening this year? quite a weekend with donald trump and his helicopter? >> yeah, i saw it circling the fair here yesterday. and of course, virtually every candidate for president, i think there are 22 candidates in both parties, 21 of the 22 are going to be here at the state fair. it's a great place to meet iowans. we have people from all 99 counties. it's a great chance to see the talented young people. we just had the state fair queen
crowned last night. >> lots of golf carts going by. you know, governor, you said in june that donald trump won't be the nominee, are you still convinced? >> yeah, i think at the end of the day, i think a lot of people are intrigued by his frankness and his willingness to say about anything. but at the end of the day, i think iowans are going to choose somebody that they feel is the strongest candidate. now, at this point, he looks pretty strong, but he also has a fair amount of negatives. so, i think voters are going to have an opportunity to evaluate all of the candidates. and if you think of four years ago, the lead changed hands my many times before the iowa caucuses. i suspect that will happen this time. iowans tend to reward people who go to all 99 counties. work very hard, put a strong
organization together. it remains to be seen who's going to be most effective in getting that done. >> but donald trump is flying around in at helicopter, they didn't seem to mind that here? >> well, first of all, he was giving free rides to iowa kids. so, you know, it was a novelty. we see a lot of different things here. but obviously seeing a helicopter with trump's name on it and obviously it was mobbed here at the fair. >> yes, he was. >> i was here with bush. >> we'll wait and see. >> on friday. walker will be here on monday. >> everybody comes to iowa. thank you very much. >> oh, you're welcome. thank you. okay, we spoke with governor branstad just a few moments ago and i'm here now with the roundtable, democratic strategist donna brazile, hugh hewitt and matthew dowd. matt, i want to go back to donald trump.
i'm thinking about what o. kay henderson told me about the three fs -- fashion, food and faux pas. >> donald trump seemed to have broken all of those. he could have eaten caviar. >> you could add another "f". fun. to me, donald trump right now is like the rock star that comes to town, he's getting a lot of play, people want to be around him. he's actually -- you look at all the polls he's doing very well nationally, very well in iowa. one of the questions you asked, how long can this last? can it last all the next 170 days? right now his level of support is fairly stable. in a multicandidate field, he can win iowa and win a serious amount of states. >> the trump leading higher in iowa by about 22%, then it falls off pretty sharply after that. look at bush down there at 5%. but 66%, this is an amazing figure of likely caucus voters,
they're still trying to decide. >> well, absolutely, this is the part of the season where voters are basically shopping for someone that speaks for them, someone they believe will fight for them, talk to them, come into their living rooms, go to their town hall meetings. if donald trump can expand the universe like president obama did in 2008, you know, ensure there are more new people coming to the caucus on a cold winter night, he could be the next nominee for the republican party. >> and hugh hewitt, do you think he go all the way? do you sense a change in him? >> he's having fun. he's having more fun than other candidate i have seen. but i view the whole race as one race. i think there's poll of weariness that's sucking in hillary clinton.
it gets the people who have been around for a while. trump is new. as is ben carson, marco rubio, scott walker. these are new people. carly fiorina is a new face. they've got energy. so, when donald trump talked to me on the radio show he talked to me about having energy. i think the candidates are well-advised to pay attention -- i opened my radio show with him every day, people will listen to him every day because he has so much energy. >> have establishment republicans lost control? what do they do? do they change their strategy? >> i think it's been a series over time, the republican establishment has had less and less control over the process. if there's somebody else that emerges to take on donald trump it's going to be someone on their own having to emerge. i agree with hugh. something that's driving jeb bush's numbers down and donald trump's numbers up is this sense of energy, sense of strength. you may disagree with him but you believe, like, wow, i can
get onboard. jeb bush has a problem, he was the establishment candidate. the party voters don't want the establishment candidate. >> donna, what do you think donald trump does to this race? do you have to change the way you campaign? jeb bush clearly is having some second thoughts, i assume. >> i wouldn't change. if i was one of the establishment candidates or one of also-rans from the previous cycle, i would go to the 900 counties. if you can get them to go to caucus on a wintry night, you can change history in just a matter of minutes. >> and let's talk about the democrats for a minute here, how much do you think this e-mail server hurts hillary clinton and these classified e-mails? >> she has 1,306 precinct caps, one-third of the colony chairs with her, she's organized in this state as if that matters next year. this e-mail stuff is a huge distraction.
most of it is a lot -- she has 17 republican candidates. she has four democratic challengers. yes, it's a perception problem. but is factually true? the committee that trey gowdy is overseeing, they spent more than $4 million trying to tear down hillary clinton's character. i think she will come out of this okay, but it's going to be long battle. >> it's more than a problem, it's an indictment. it led to the indootment of general petraeus, led to the indictment of sandy berger. it led to the indictment of james misleading classified information. it's a very serious matter. she doesn't have any explanation of her erases 31,000 e-mails. that's an 18-minute gap, it's an 18,000-minute gap. >> do the democrats need a plan b, look you have joe biden, right now, deciding whether
he'll get into the race. >> first of all, this is not a criminal indictment and she did nothing wrong. the fact they are now saying that some of the e-mails that have been released should have been classified. >> let's get into joe biden. >> the hillary folks know that this is a problem, by the tenure by which they're responding to this. bernie sanders, right now, is rising faster than anybody else. she's dropping. there's now a conversation about joe biden. there is a problem. they go into the general election with a wounded warrior which is a big problem. >> and she says don't panic. don't panic. her supporters say don't panic. >> i would advise as a former campaign manager, i would advise them not to panic as well. look, just because there are people on the left --
there always be people who panic in politics. joe biden is going to make a decision some time at the end of the summer, he promised that this is a very difficult decision, because it's coming at a very tough time. >> we have about 30 seconds left. hugh, very quick comment from you about biden getting in. >> i think he does. he's a terrific politician to talk to. >> donna, i want to come back to you, we lost civil rights activist, julian bond last night at age 75. just some final thoughts. >> tragic. the former chair of the naacp, probably did more than any other civil rights leader of this era. he was the leader inside the naacp that fought for marriage equality. a leader of so many in field of civil rights. >> a great man. >> we'll truly be missed by all of us. thanks, everyone. next, the story behind the legendary tv debate that transformed political news after this from our abc stations.
in our "sunday spotlight," as things he u up here in iowa, a new documentary that reminds us just how contentious a presidential race can be, even for the analysts covering it. here's abc's david wright on the "best of enemies." >> reporter: 1968. chicago. the democratic national convention. the vietnam war at its height. analyzing the day's events for abc news, then running a distant third in the ratings, two of the most celebrated intellectuals of the era, on the right, william f. buckley jr. on the right, gore vidal. "best of enemies," a new documentary looks back at this ivy league slugfest. >> take a look at the leading
warmonger in the united states. >> reporter: the other networks were running gavel to gavel coverage inside the convention hall. but abc couldn't afford to in 1968. >> they needed to make money by running their shows like "bewitched" and "batman" and the flying nun, instead. >> reporter: we spoke with the filmmakers, it's strange to watch these two guys, both of them speaking like thurston howell iii. >> hello, my dear. >> it's another era. having two elect intellectuals like this who were so good on tv. >> if you did it today, you would have, you know, you could also do it on mute. >> reporter: the real fireworks came the night the night chicago police cracked down on the anti-war protesters. as the debate heats up, vidal insults buckley. buckley erupts.
outing vidal on national television. they hated each other, didn't they? >> it was not a frenemy relationship. that hate didn't end when that red light turned off. >> they feared the other. i think they were not fighting about 1968, they were fighting for the soul of the republic. >> reporter: in a way both of them were right in a sense the conservative revolution came to past. and the social relationship came to pass. this past year, we have had caitlyn jenner and the supreme court validating gay marriage. >> he was so visionary in his ideas.
>> reporter: which makes it all more fun to watch these two lions have at it. the "best of enemies," in theaters now, seen first right here on abc. for "this week," david wright, abc news, new york. >> our thanks to david. that's all for us today. thanks for sharing part of your sunday with us. check out "world news tonight" and we'll see you back here next week. so long from des moines, iowa. next week. so long from des moines, iowa.