tv Right Side With Armstrong Williams ABC March 14, 2016 2:00am-2:31am EDT
>> part two, rehabilitated prison system. we are back, i am armstrong williams. our guests are still with us. join us. >> armstrong: feedback from the show a week ago, amazing. people want to know more about the human test, how do we rehabilitate? what do we need to do to change and parenting. how do we change the hearts, one
they should move forward with their new life. >> education and advocacy. we have to start to better educate law enforcement officers at local and state level and in turn continue to educate folks that serve in the prison system and educate the communities about both sides of the aisle. there is lack of understanding and lack of appreciation for what happens in the criminal justice system as well as in the community. we can start to bridge that cap right here today, armstrong about bringing humanity back to law enforcement officers and prison system. we have a great panel that can speak to those things. there is a call to action to say we can do things difference and that difference can start d
the broadcast, i am armstrong williams. scott, jessie, and demeetri is back with us. you were saying, scott? >> that view and what you bring to the table is the exception. how do we make that the rule? i have experience on criminal defense side as well as a former prosecutor. i agree with you completely. for every police officer that i meet with that view of the world, i can meet five or 10 the system beat up on and established us vs. them mentality on both sides. this whole community policing and community investing by the police is super important. from psychological and emotional basis, police force as an institution has been combative and at odds
color suffering from social and political and economic issues, it is overwhelming to not just the police but those living in those communities. >> there is a language and culture barrier, very simple, we see in many dynamics and social perspectives that cause this disconnect. what we need to do, scott is advocate and ask ourselves, are we willing to make the investments, socially, professionally, emotionally to help start a movement that can change these things. as a former police officer, former chicago police officer, i can walk back into the chicago police department, speak to my former fellow officers and in a language they understand and get my point across a lot better than jessie maybe able to as a caucasian male who was
officers would view as an egregious crime. crime against person or institution with a weapon, looked at negatively. as a former police officer, saying hey, me putting my arm around jessie. at the end of the day, he is a good guy. i vouch for him. that is what we need more of. >> there is a thing i would advoca advocate, armstrong, job training, education, development of still set once you are in prison should not be an option for prisoners. they are flocking to gang protection and gang membership and gang affiliation and giving them options as opposed to preparing them for their next step in life after prison. in most programs it is optional. you and i talked about. i have a brother who robbed a bang and struggled with him in
life back on track. he has tried numerous times and given a herbing leanne effort. only once he and i worked on getting his felony for bank robbery expunged or sealed after seven or eight years was he able to get a good paying job, able to get credit. i am so very proud and felt his struggle and helped him. it is real whether it is jessie or my brother. he did all the wrong things, if you will because he didn't have the aptitude or motivation to get a skill set to prepare him for what was out here. his father was a retired judge in will county. brother, partner at a major law
he struggled to find mims against one thing, he was so committed to never committing another crime and addressing issues of addiction and moving his life forward. right now he has a good job, growing and better credit if you will. every month he e-mails me. i have given him a lot of tough love. >> armstrong: how many years did it take? >> prison was a couple of years. i think it took a couple of years. >> armstrong: what did it take for him to turn his life around? >> tough love from my father. >> armstrong: how many years? >> oh gosh, my brother. he is five years younger. post prison, he talked about the talk. couldn't convince us he was going to walk the walk
>> armstrong: still in that family, he robbed a bank and took all these years with the institutions. >> people make choices. >> they do. >> armstrong: some people may not have heard the show last week. this guy doesn't look black to me. he went to jail. we'll be back to retell the story at least versions of it. ♪
>> armstrong: scott bolden is a very prominent lawyer in the washington, d.c. area. demetria roberts, former chicago law enforcement officer, jess see weiss, director of communities engagement and director of the second prison project. you at age 21, you were going to rob a bank, eight years in prison, race didn't matter. class didn't matter. parents raised you the right values. that was not enough, yet you paid the price. you feel as though for
years later for that crime you committed? >> that's right, armstrong. everybody in the united states has been impacted by the criminal justice system. with 65 million americans, one in four adults have a criminal record. it is astounding. i got my undergraduate degree in prison. i had to fight for it. it was not incentivised. it was scrutinized.
the most inconsistent, if you live by the forms that exist on the outside of prison, you are going to go back to one place, that is back to prison. prison fellowship, we serve over 330,000 children. we are in over 380 prisons. we are dedicated to changing the culture within prison. we were talking earlier how important it is to have this kind of shift in the way we think kind of central around this humanity concept, we are all human. there is a shift in department of
there is a shift when people want to change the culture. it is a big shift. even someone that has been in the system, to change the systemic, systematic you know, long-term incentivised system we have in the criminal justice system, it is very, very adu difficult. there are good men like dem demeetri. >> perspectives have come into this age. rehabilitation we want to train mechanics, laborers. >> we are in a technological age, arm strong.
the change that i think needs to happen in the rehabilitation system starts with technology. technology jobs and incentives around technology, coding, computer engineering. these are things most technology companies folks don't show up to work, armstrong. they sit in their homes, log in, get on a conference call. nobody cares what you did or what you are doing in that moment as long as you are getting the job done. we need to start training the folks in these systems to be more tech savvy, already are. they use facebook, twitter, all the social mediums out there today. guess what is going on? somebody is punching in code, why can't that be you.
>> sometimes i am convinced it doesn't matter. i know a guy that was taught ibm, this guy rose to the top, he served 20 years in prison, walked out, walked back to the people who did the program, asked for the job, we don't hire people like you. we are very benevolent. when it comes to them doing the job, i would say arguably better than anybody else, we stigmatize those people. we don't allow those people to perform those jobs. >> there is were advocacy has to come in, re-education and advocacy has to come forth, are we going to do it? >> we are doing it. second prison project doing it. we are gathering,
voices across this country. we are gathering people who say do we believe in second chances, state legislators, congressman, senators, governors. if we believe in second chances, it is time to put our actions where our statements are. >> that is tough. second chances are tough. that mentality. if you have never deserved one, of course, this is america, we believe in second chances, you think about all the negative things that come with serving a prison sentence and whether we like it or not, those same decision makers have a problem depending on their politics and stuff. tech thing, both your guests are right with the advocacy
>> talk to the young people who are the future jet setters and your brother and others that commits crimes who have no idea the way it effects your life. >> you are not representing yourself out here, young people. you are representing me, your momma and your family name and act accordingly. so often that voice isn't heard in their heads. if they have friends and members of crews who are up to no good around stuff, there is a lot of pure pressure for them to go along even though they may not want to. once you are in, that is your life slot. a lot of
decisions, it will take you a long time. god gave you this life to make a difference. what do you want to be remembered for? he loves you. you have free choice hmake the most of it. >> yes, i think, it is a reality that when you commit a crime, judge doesn't know all the collateral consequences. prosecutoring attorney doesn't know, defense counsel doesn't know. you may think it is a small misdemeanm.d. it is going to be attached to you. in les miserables, they are pulling in this s
this song it says, you'll always be a slave. you are never going to get out of this. john value jon is about about to be completed, the law says, no. you'll carry this the rest of your life. victor hugo wrote that. if you are a young person, i challenge you to take my experience, look at people around you. it is about leadership, your legacy as a generation. my legacy will be forever changed. my children, my life, all of these things are impacted by one decision. don't make that decision. >> very well. >> i hate to follow him on
>> point here is when i had the opportunity to do as a local law enforcement officer in very dynamic and socially economic challenging vierenvironments in chicago, only difference between you and i and me standing here as a police officer and me talking to you as someone that committed a minor offense, i made a different decision. because i at some point, as a teenager, as a youth realize a lot of people made a lot of sacrifices. some of the sacrifices were with their lives for me to be here today, have my freedoms and the ability to talk to you, young man, you can make a different decision today. that has to come back to our local law enforcement communities and in the prison systems and
>> armstrong: your final thought? >> we just have a chance to say what is the message to tell young people? i would like to give a message to the people in the prison in the united states. you are not forgotten. there is a lot of rhetoric going on at the national level. voice that matters is yours. i am convinced that politics is always five years behind culture. i am convinc
far more forward thinking than politics. i have given up the political trying to change the politics and try to garner the support of the 65 million people, their families, people like my colleagues who say they believe in second chances. i encourage you to join me, your voice can be heard. join me at the second prison project. i guarantee you, we can change a nation. >> armstrong: scott? >> i think it is changing. you know, sensing reform act pending on the hill right now, they have hit bumps in the road, that is politics, republicans and democrats, people all over this country understand the prison system is becoming too expensive. conservative and liberal leadership co-sponsoring this bill to reduce mandatory
minimums. reduce the revolving door. and i think that is so powerful and positive. young people, let me tell you this, so many of them are hopeless in their communities. they choose to make bad decisions, they don't see themselves, 5-40 years out because of their community. god made you, god loves you. you have to learn to love yourself. if you love yourself, you are not going to make poor decisions, you see a future, you see an adult life and see yourself contributing to society. >> armstrong: this is must watch tv. this will change lives, especially for those yet to commit the crimes, i am armstrong williams. thank you for joining
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