tv Full Measure With Sharyl Attkisson ABC May 1, 2016 10:00am-10:30am EDT
[captioning performed by the national captioning institute, which is responsible for its caption content and accuracy. visit ncicap.org] ♪ sharyl: welcome to "full measure." i'm sharyl attkisson. everyone knows that medicine has saved countless lives. civilization might not exist today without it. but in the most-prescribed country in the world, prescription drugs also are a leading cause of death. according to harvard university's center for ethics, each year, properly prescribed drugs in the u.s. cause about 2.74 million serious adverse drug reactions and about 128,000 fatalities -- 350 deaths a day.
in 2014, the world's top ten pharmaceutical firms pulled in $429.4 billion in revenue. their profits ranged from 10% to 43%. with all that money at stake, it's easy to see why you don't always get the whole truth about a drug's risks. in recent years, major drug companies have paid over $13 billion to resolve federal civil and criminal allegations of fraud, many involving popular and widely used drugs. today, a chilling case in point. an antipsychotic pill called risperdal made by johnson and johnson's pharmaceutical subsidiary, janssen. some of the material in this report may be too graphic for sensitive viewers and children. josh scholl was in seventh grade when he noticed something upsetting. josh: and i'm, like, "this isn't normal." so i went to my parents, and i'm like, "hey, there was this lump under my breast, could you guys check it out?" and they felt it, and they were, like, "oh, that's not right." and so we went to the doctor's for it. sharyl: you were, like, a ten-year-old kid at the time. josh: uh-huh. sharyl: the pediatrician said
not to worry, but josh's mom knew better. she wondered if one factor could be risperdal, the prescription medicine josh been taking for four years for tics from tourette syndrome. cynthia: i'm one who likes to research things. so i got on google right away and started researching boys and medicines and found a few moms out there who had posted their kids were on risperdal who also developed lumps. so i called the pediatrician back and said, "i want him off this medicine." and so we stopped it that day. sharyl: what was the pediatrician's response when you linked the lump in his breast to the medicine? cynthia: i think they just thought i was a paranoid mom and agreed to switch the medicine just to appease me. but i don't know. mom's intuition. i just -- i knew something was wrong. sharyl: mom was right. she didn't know it then, but thousands of boys taking risperdal were growing female breasts. some of them even produced milk.
gynecomastia, shown in this unidentified risperdal patient. it can happen when a male has a spike in a naturally occurring hormone called prolactin. experts say risperdal can cause prolactin levels to rise. josh: i remember one of my best friends had a swimming pool, and we would all go to his house and go swimming. and -- none of them had -- like, larger breasts or any lumps or anything. sharyl: did you ask your friends or you just -- josh: i asked one of 'em. i asked the best friend if he had, like, ever noticed anything about his breasts. and he was, like, "no, i never noticed." and i'm, just, like, "oh, okay. that's -- that's weird that it's happening to me then." cynthia: he stopped taking the medicine, but the breast continued to grow. it was -- over i think a two-year period where they -- they said, "wait six months. it'll be gone in six months." well, we waited the six months. it continued to grow. then he noticed the lump in the other side. sharyl: it turns out there's a dark backstory.
at the time, risperdalan antipsychotic,n wasn't approved for use children at all. but as federal whistleblowers would later allege, janssen instructed sales reps to market risperdal as safe and effective for all kinds of childhood disorders such as tourettes, add, and autism knowing it posed serious health risks. philadelphia attorney stephen sheller represents josh. he tried the first risperdal case last year -- an autistic boy who developed size 46 dd breasts. the better it is working for you, the more likely you are to go breast -- grow breasts? >> right. sharyl: key evidence was this internal document known as table 21 from the original risperdal study in 2002. sheller says it showed 7.8% of risperdal patients whose prolactin levels shot above
developed prolactin-related side effects like gynecomastia. janssen insiders seemed concerned in internal documents -- "how do you want to handle the one significant value?" asks a reviewer. "this may be notable." "i think we need to discuss this somewhere in the manuscript." instead, the head of the risperdal study eliminated table 21, according to sheller. mr. sheller: he specifically made the decision not to tell the public, not to tell the doctors, not to tell even the f.d.a. or anybody about this study that they did in 2001 or 2002 that specifically finds the association, even though the law requires it. sharyl: a year after the original risperdal study was published without table 21, josh was prescribed risperdal and developed the very problem it seemed to warn about. cynthia: we saw our child, who was this outgoing happy kid, who had all these friends, becoming more regressed. he was shy. he stopped going out with his friends. wouldn't take his shirt off at the beach. wouldn't change in front of anybod
josh: yeah, it was very difficult because -- me, personally, i ran cross country -- starting my eight-grade year. and so cross country starts in the summer. it gets really hot. so all my friends would take their shirts off, and i was self-conscious. i didn't wanna take my shirt off. i'm, like, "oh, it's 90 degrees, but, you know, do i wanna take my shirt off 'cause i have these breasts?" and, you know, no one else had to make that decision. and then, if i did take it off, i'm -- felt self-conscious. i was looking around town, like, "oh, is that person in that car looking at me? you know, is my friends looking at me?" you know, it was -- it was really bad. sharyl: johnson and johnson had no comment on josh's case and declined our interview requests. in a statement, the company said it "did not withhold any relevant data." as to why table 21 was left out of the original risperdal study, a spokesman implied it wasn't relevant because the researchers concluded "there was no direct correlation" to breast growth in boys.
>> this is a lot of us together. sharyl: josh believes otherwise. there are no photos of him at his worst. he stopped having his picture taken. like some with severe gynecomastia, he chose a drastic solution -- a double mastectomy. cynthia: we went to the breast surgeon who, after seeing him, said he had the largest breasts in a boy that he'd ever seen in this area and agreed to do the surgery. he had a bilateral mastectomy done. so he was off school for about six weeks. sharyl: it must be a fairly traumatic surgery. cynthia: it was very traumatic for him. he had double drain tubes. he had those in for a week. he had home nursing coming twice a day. but he couldn't move. he had to lay flat on his back 'cause whenever he would move, the tubes would move, and they'd be painful. they actually did reconstructive surgery. one side was bigger than the other, so they had to remove the nipple, and they removed a lot of the tissue, and replaced the nipples. sharyl: how old was he when he
cynthia: it was two months before his 13th birthday, so he was 12 years old. sharyl: almost no one ever knew why josh was out of school those six weeks. he's one of 10,700 risperdal patients now suing drug maker janssen. mr. sheller: the risks are being hidden from the public, because the companies wanna be able to sell as much of their product as possible. sharyl: parent company johnson & johnson told us "risperdal has helped and is still helping millions of patients with debilitating mental illnesses and neurodevelopmental conditions as part of a comprehensive treatment plan." cynthia: i've recently learned about what some of these boys have gone through. i didn't know some of them are lactating. i didn't know some have developed third breasts, and josh was fortunate to not have to go through those steps. i think because we were diligent and caught onto it quickly and got it taken care of. but my heart goes out to the kids that weren'
sharyl: today, it takes a lot of guts for josh to talk publicly about what happened to him, and even more to show it. but he's done hiding his scars. josh: about the experience, it was one that i wish i didn't have to go through. and i hope all the other kids that are going through it -- you know, i feel bad that they had to go through it too because, yeah, the company -- i think they knew that it developed gynecomastia. and, you know, to make us -- all of us go through it -- you know, it's not just, like, it's me and a handful of other people. it's 1,000 -- thousands of people that are going through it. so to make all of us go through it -- and they knew -- just to make a profit, it's sickening. sharyl: in 2013, johnson & johnson paid $2.2 billion to settle a host of criminal and civil fraud claims -- illegally mark
drugs, paying kickbacks to doctors and nursing home pharmacies, to prescribe risperdal, knowing it posed stroke and other serious risks to older patients, claiming risperdal lessened diabetes risk -- it did the opposite. johnson & johnson wouldn't say how much money it's made from risperdal or how many are taking it. ahead on "full measure" -- on a week when he takes a huge step towards the republican nomination, we look into the battle of managing the two sides of donald trump. trump: it is disgusting. do you want that for your president? i don't think so.
sharyl: this week, donald trump rolled up five primary state wins, and declared himself the presumptive republican nominee. on wednesday, he delivered a foreign policy speech in washington, dc. that speech was to launch a "new trump" promised by the campaign. somewhere along the way, campaign planners discovered that the words "manage" and "trump" may not belong in the same sentence. scott thuman reports on the battle for the two trumps. mr. trump: now my wife is constantly saying, "darling, you have to be more presidential. at some point, i'm going to be so presidential that you people will be so bored." scott: trump's controversial assertions -- and often vulgar language -- have become his
drugs, they're bringing crime, they're rapists. he referred to my hands, "if they're small, something else must be small." i guarantee you there's no problem. i guarantee. [laughter] said, "she's said he's a -- ." that's terrible, terrible. scott: ben carson suggested there's another side to him when he endorsed trump in march. dr. carson: there are two different donald trumps. there's the one you see on the stage and there's the one who is very cerebral, sits there and considers things very carefully. you can have a very good conversation with him. and that's the donald trump you're going to start seeing more and more of right now. kenneth: i think we're going to see an ongoing battle between the two trumps, and you really see it playing out almost on a daily basis. the id verses the ego. scott: kenneth vogel, a reporter for "politico," says the battle isn't just in trump's own mind.
kenneth: so, for a long time, he had this guy corey lewandowski, campaign manager, he represented trump's id, he was the guy who said, "let trump be trump" and that obviously went a long way. he almost clinched the nomination. he got right to the verge. then he brought in more seasoned operatives, like paul manafort, who represents trump's ego. he's going to be the one that says, "no, you can't attack that guy, no you have to read off a teleprompter for this speech." that's the battle that we see playing itself out, and i don't see an end in sight. scott: on the campaign trail this week, trump unleashed on his rivals in his usual bombastic style. from calling ted cruz a failed senator -- mr. trump: all he is is a guy that will go down and filibuster for a day or two. and the other senators all look, " when's he getting off the floor, jim, the guy's a pain in the ass? when is he getting off the floor?" scott: to mocking john kasich's table manners -- mr. tr
human being eat in such disgusting fashion. this guy takes a pancake and he is shoving it in his mouth. it's disgusting. do you want that for your president? i don't think so. scott: on tuesday night, after he swept five more states, he made it clear his outspoken style is here to stay. mr. trump: why would i change? you know, if you have a football team and you're winning, and then you get to the super bowl, you don't change your quarterback. right? so, i'm not changing. scott: but a day later, trump went to washington. a different man. this time, more reserved and on teleprompter. mr. trump: i will not hesitate to deploy military force when there is no alternative, but when america fights, it must only fight to win. kenneth: and, in some ways, it's just so difficult to see the two and see that fact that they're coming from the same guy, they seem like totally different donald trumps. scott: being too presidential though, as described, could actually be a detriment to him. kenneth: yeah, if he comes across as a traditional
poll-testing his positions, and one who is speaking only diplomatically about his rivals and about his critics, i think that could hurt his core brand. scott: so far, there is little danger of that happening. mr. trump: i will beat hillary clinton, crooked hillary, i will beat her so badly and lying ted cruz cannot beat her, he can't beat her. well, i think the only card she has is the woman's card. she's got nothing else going. and frankly, if hillary clinton were a man, i don't think she'd get 5% of the vote. scott: it's as unpredictable as this election cycle. as trump wrestles with which persona will get him to the white house. can anyone manage donald trump? kenneth: yeah, that i think, talking to folks that are close to donald trump, that is the key question. the answer that i've heard is largely no. donald trump is just going to be donald trump.
driven more by his own internal compass, and that compass does tend to point to the more fly-by-the-seat-of-the-pants donald trump. scott: vogel told us trump is planning to unleash a multimillion dollar ad campaign in indiana and california and not to the conventional --a nod to the conventional approach. sharyl: trump has not had to spend a lot of money. scott: you are right about that. not only in this country and also in others. because this presidential election is producing fear and fascination -- and when we come back, we will drop in on a pub
but we in the u.s. are not the only ones watching. scott thuman was in london recently and you did a little investigating into pub politics. scott: yeah, that's right. we've been all over the globe for "full measure" covering stories. no matter which country we are in, i'm asked the same question -- is this trump phenomenon for real? an ocean away, on a saturday afternoon at a pub in downtown london, an equal measure of pints and politics. american politics, that is. if you had to sum up what you've seen so far in this presidential cycle, in a few words, what would those words be? matt: bizarre! scott: bizarre? dan: circus. matt: unbelievable pam: total fear. jesse: terrifying. scott: as a whole, do you think brits have a candidate they back more than anyone else. >> anyone but trump. pam: i do hope that donald trump is not the next president. scott: were you just praying there? is that what you were doing?
jesse: i think even the non-religious people are praying . scott: is that because you are more aligned with the democratic party or because you just don't think any of the republicans candidates are? jesse: it's fear. it's genuine fear of the republican candidates. matt: i think if you were to see a republican more along the lines of john kasich. jesse: i could live with that. matt: or a john huntsman or someone like that who's more in the center. scott: there was actually a debate among politicians on the concept of banning donald trump from coming to the u.k. the fact that that took place -- do you think that speaks volumes? jesse: i think if i was an american, i would find that quite striking. pam: yes! scott: and as for trumps rivals? >> ted cruz has a track record of working in congress to form alliances. >> he can probably get things done that trump can't get done, so he is probably actually as dangerous or more dangerous than trump. successfulso a supreme court litigator. he would know how to use that
scott: what about hillary clinton? she is not actually mad. she has worked tirelessly. she has experience. she does not go around making crazy remarks. matt: here, things like benghazi or foreign policy mistakes that may have been made, doesn't get the scrutiny here. so i think people perhaps have more favorable view on hillary than they might do in the u.s. scott: if britain could pick the next president, based on the current candidates, who would it be? jesse: i imagine it would be bernie. matt: i think if you looked at people across the spectrum, they would be for sanders. scott: around the corner from the pub, commentator and long-time foreign affairs correspondent for sky news, tim marshall. tim: how can a country with 320 million people end up with what, for me, is a tired, dynastic candidate on one side and this chap with an odd haircut on the other? i mean, obviously there is more to it than that, but that's what
we are thinking, since when was america like this? scott: he says, while in 2008 the world watched with an air of excitement, this time, they're even more rapt with attention and unease. tim: i think overwhelmingly, i think there is, is this the best that the country can give us? secondly it is, if this guy trump gets in, will he be stable in -- basically -- in charge of our security? and the third is, you can't get away from this. we are looking at this and it is entertainment. we are quite enjoying it! scott: when you see the video at -- when you look at the presidential cycle, do you see it more as an amusement, as comedy, or serious and scary? >> it's now serious and scary! >> it's getting to that stage! >> it's very serious and scary! >> it's terrifying! whether it is out of fascination, fear, or admiration, it is
airwaves in other countries. many admitting they have never paid so much attention to an american election because of donald trump. sharyl: tell me if i'm wrong. they are more liberal than the united states, even. scott: very fair point. tim marshall pointed out that we have our left and a right. they have a left and a right, it is just that outright is further than theirs. he said, if people were well-versed on the other republican candidates, he says they would be just as fearful, if only that donald trump is the big headliner. sharyl: scott, thank you so much. still ahead, we reported on the highly secret 28 pages last september. now, a report that the white house may release part of the 9/11
sharyl: an update to the first story we reported on "full measure" eight months ago. it has been attracting attention in recent weeks. it is about the so-called "28 pages," the classified portion of a joint congressional investigation into the terror attacks on the united states on september 11, 2001. some members of congress have called for the release of the report, as have the 9/11 victims. the report dates back to the bush administration and no ordinary american has seen the report, kept in top secret in the basement of the capital. one congressman, stephen lynch, who has read the report, told us it gives the names of individuals and entities complicit in the attacks, alleged facilitators of the
former senator bob graham goes so far as to say the 9/11 islamic extremist hijackers were only successful due to the direct support of prominent saudis named in the pages. the saudis deny it. james clapper, director of national intelligence, told reporters this week that a review to declassify a portion of the 28 pages could be complete by june. coming up next week on "full measure," you probably have not heard much about it, but the surge of illegal immigrant youth is on again. in the past six months, tens of thousands of kids under 18 have illegally crossed the border from mexico in the past months and turned themselves in. in custody and under the suppose d protection of the u.s. government, we investigate how some of these children are being turned over to worse dangers than those they fled to escape. a disturbing story of child abuse and the outrage it has launched -- on the next "full measure." that is all for this week. thank you for watching.
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