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starting right now on "this week" with george stephanopoulos. race of a lifetime. >> we're going to win, win, win. >> you can believe the hype. now the de facto nominee, donald trump, already facing a party on the edge of collapse. >> paul ryan. so, he says you have to earn his support. >> will the last republican sta standing break afarther dpop. plus, trading blows. >> their presumptive nominee. otherwise called their presumptuous nominee. >> she's married to a man who was the worst abuser of women in the history of politic. >> how low will they go? we're one on one with donald trump. his feud with party leaders. and his vision for the white
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from abc news, it's "this week." here now, chief anchor george stephanopoulos. >> good morning, and to all our moms out there, happy mother's day. well, a year ago, it seemed impossible. etch a month ago, the odds were long. this week, donald trump sealed the deal. the last man standing for the gop nomination well before the convention. in many ways, it's still hard to believe and for many republicans, including two former presidents and the speaker of the house, hard to accept. especially after headlines like these. donald trump's feud with the establishment threatens to break the party in half. as you'll hear in a moment, he's willing to fix it but only on his terms. donald trump's bet, that he can make the grand old party a brand-new party and prove his doubters wrong again by winning the white house. >> so we have had a pretty busy couple of weeks. >> now the nominee, donald trump is also the underdog.
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atop a divided party. >> knock the crap of of them, would you? seriously? >> questions about experience, temperament, and judgment. >> we can't have a loose cannon in the oval office. >> from day one with and every provocation. >> they're bringing dugs, they're bringing crime, they're rapists. >> trump's been counted out. >> trump's running for president. does gravity still work? >> since we're counting, here are other numbers. trump will win more votes than any republican in history. he's hit 10.6 million. he'll beat george bush's primary record of 10.8 million. trump has defeated 16 candidates with a combined 200 years in elected office. >> i actually wish the primaries were not over. it's no fun this way. >> can trump defy expectations again?
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i think we all make a mistake if we don't take him seriously. >> the vice president warning fellow democrats that trump may pivot. >> and begin to do the policy pieces of what would make people think maybe this guy can actually be president. >> you have to go all the way back to dwight eisenhower to find a candidate with as little political experience. but eisenhower was america's war hero. trump a businessman and tv star. >> you're fired. >> in 1974, ronald raken was also dismissed as a "b" movie actor. four years later, he was in the same spot as trump was in now. trailing jimmy carter in all the polls. reagan caught a form of populist anger and rode to it the white house. the party is far from sold on donald trump.
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that we unify the party. the bulk of the burden will have to come from the presumptive nominee. >> i'm going to do what i have to do. >> i sat down with trump at omaha's airport on friday just before a rally. i began by asking him what he plans to tell paul ryan when they meet face to face on thursday. >> i'm going to say look this is what the people want. i don't understand why he didn't -- most people have come out in favor. we've gotten tremendous endorsements over the last few period of time. governor perry even came out. he was very rough. he came out with a beautiful statement. a magnificent statement. i have had so much support. i have had support from all the people that paul ryan works with. i mean, you see the congressmen coming forward in waves right now. and, i'm actually a little surprised it's happening this quickly. just about the -- i understand why a jeb bush or a lindsey graham, i don't care. i was rough with him and beat
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48 to 2 in his own state. and i understand that. but paul ryan -- >> you're saying he's going to have to come to you? >> i'm going to come down the middle. i was very surprised and very disappointed, because, you know, you should be -- we have to be cheerleaders for the republican party. we don't have to play cute. >> that became the line of the weekend. >> he called me three week ago. we couldn't have had a nicer conversation. it's great. we'll work together. now he wants to be cute. we'll see. >> as for republicans who say they won't support or endorse them. >> i don't want -- if somebody doesn't want to endorse, i don't want their endorsement. it's okay. i'm going to release nem. >> quite a list. presidents george and george w. bush. mitt romney. lindsey graham and jeb bush. >> i was rough with jeb
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for me either. they should do that. >> paul ryan is the highest ranking elected republican in the country right now. he's the chairman of the convention. back in march, you said he would pay a price if he didn't get along with you. what is that price? >> we're going to see what happens. he wants to meet. i think we're meeting on thursday. we'll see what happens. it's just more drama. but i think it's a mistake not to do this. we want to pring the party together. does the party have to be together? does it have to be unified? i'm very different than everybody else, perhaps, that's ever run for office. i don't think so. >> it doesn't have to be unified? >> i don't think so. it would be better. i don't think it has to be uninid the traditional sense. i'm going to do what i have to do. i have millions of people that voted for me because i have strong borders. i want strong trade. i want good trade. i want trade. i don't want to be an isolationist. what's happeni
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absolutely eating our lunch. it's a shame. it's terrible. i have to stay true to my principles also. i'm a conservative. don't forget. this is called the republican party. not the conservative parties. there are conservative parties. i'm a conservative. >> he swats away critics. hillary clinton is focused on locking in her base by playing the women's card. >> he doesn't think much of equal pay for women. because, of course, he doesn't think much for women, it turns out. >> trump digging in with this remarkable statement. >> i mean, all of the men, we're petrified to speak to women anymore. the women get it better than we do, folks. they get it better than we do. >> he's also up against the president. >> republican women voters are going to have to decide is that the guy i feel comfortable with in representing me? and what i care about? >> i'll tell you what my reaction is. i won in mass i have doses a
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number, new york, pennsylvania, everything. i won overall. but i won women, with men, i won with older, i won with soldiers. i won with highly educated. and not so highly educated. i won with everybody. >> you're not worried about obama out there campaigning against you? >> hillary clinton. the only thing she has going. she plays the woman card 100%. i saw her in a speech. megyn kelly was terrific. she called me and came up to my office. she wanted to make peace. and, we did. we did. i mean, it was very nice. some of the stuff is said as, you know, an entertainer. because i have "the apprentice." some was said in fun with shows like "hourld stern" you're a friend of mine. >> you're not worried about the tapes of that coming back? >> what am i going to do. what the politicians say behind the scenes make
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jokingly to howard and other people like baby stuff. what they say behind the skeeps talking about everything is far worse than anything you have seen or will see about me. and they act like, oh, that's so terrible. so terrible. i mean, you know, it's called give me a break. i watch hillary clinton like she's a baby. look what happens with her family. i watch her, like, oh the way he talks to women. the way he talks to women. well, take a look at her husband and what do you think he talks to women? so when i watch her, she's playing the woman's card so much. and so loud. and frankly, i think it's her only chance of getting elected. listen, she's going to get -- she's going to get hit for it. because it's not appropriate. >> there was an article in "gq" about your wife this week. you said spouses should be off the table. you're talking about bill clinton. should he be off the table as well? >> if he's involved in the campaign, he shouldn't be. i think he gets involved when she plays the women's rd
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nasty to a woman. number one, i have work sod well with women for so many years. i broke -- you talk about the glass ceiling. what i have done in terms of jobs for women. to this day, i have so many women in my company doing so well, making so much money. in many cases macking more than men in comparable positions. but, no, if he's involved in the campaign, he should absolutely, he could be brought into it. >> so -- fair game. >> i think fair game, yeah. no, i think fair game. >> as trump made clear friday night. >> nobody in this country and maybe in the history of the country politically was worse than bill clinton with women. he was a disaster. >> and saturday. >> hillary clinton's husband abused women more than any man that we know of in the history of politics, right? she's
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the worst abuser of women in the history of politics. she's married to a man who hurt many women. and hillary, if you look and see study, hillary hurt many women. >> to trump, the rules of the game are clear. if you're on the field, you get hit. >> my wife was a very successful person. she did great. she was a successful model. now she's a homemaker. she loves taking care of her son. she's a good woman. and people that are married to people like me, especially people like me, um -- i hope there are others out there, who knows? but, they get really hit unfairly by so many different articles and writers. and they're not looking to hurt them. they're looking to hurt me. she's a very good woman. a tremendous heart. very, very charitable. and it's sort of unfair when they get treated nastily. not so bad, but nastily.
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let's break in with "the roundtable." matthew dowd, donna brazile, alex castellanos, and rich lowry. katrina vanden heuvel. let's start with paul ryan and donald trump. you got a tweet from sarah palin this morning. vows to defeat speaker ryan for defying trump. says ryan motivated by 20 white house ambitions. kind of a declaration of war. can this breach be heel aled? does it have to be? >> the breach is not between the e let and donald trump. it's between various members of the elite and gop voters. the problem for the gop is the gop voters have spoken. i think paul ryan and noers the party have to decide if the republican party, as it is
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trump is their party. donald trump is not the problem for the gop elite. the republican voters are the problem for the gop elite. >> paul ryan supposed to be the chair of the convention. i asked donald trump if he should be chair. here it was. can paul ryan chair the convention if he doesn't endorse you? >> that's a question you have to ask him and reince and i guess me. ultimately me. >> what do you think? >> i have had so much support. support from the people that paul ryan works with. >> to matt's point. it leads to an awkward situation in july in cleveland if he hasn't come around. >> it's like bob dole says, maybe paul ryan sleeps late that day at the convention. paul ryan has power. paul ryan has strength. the intellectual wing
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trump respects strength. paul ryan says, okay, let's talk. this is good probably for both of them. this is the opening bid in that negotiation. >> you think it's inevitable they'll come around? >> i think they have to come around. it will be up to trump to understand that he needs something paul ryan has. paul ryan has the future. hillary clinton is the candidate with the past. she's more of the same. paul ryan is saying there's a new economy. we have to open things up. he gave a brilliant speech at georgetown the other day about that. trump is not running as a party guy. trump is running as i'm one human being i'm going to do a better job. he has no vision around which to rally a party. that's what ryan could give him. >> he made it clear he's not running as a conservative. solely. you have the famous cover, trying to stop trump a couple of months back. is paul ryan now part of the stop trump movement or is he, as
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have to get on board? rmt i think what ryan did was rightly an expression, of disgust with how many republicans got on board immediately with no questions asked. think given his position within the party and probably at the convention, it will be really hard for him to sustain this posture. i believe he'll seek some assurances from trump. that he'll be manufacture serious on policy. serious many his demeanor. >> trump would drop the muslim ban -- >> will be worth nothing. >> the day after donald trump became the presumptive nominee, he doubled down on banning muslims. doubled down on building the wall. paul ryan has been one of the republicans who have spoken out against the kind of bigotry of donald trump. and, i think for paul ryan to just basically rubber-stamp donald trump without questioning the substance of sof of the things he's said and the tone. paul ryan has been talking about changing the to
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you know, attacking poor people in the past. i don't know if that's a quote unquote the policies of the future. paul ryan understands that donald trump has to change his tone before he embraces him. >> paul ryan is a member of the elites which matt spoke of. i think we're seeing the crack-up of the party. the elites didn't deliver for the base. they've been shafted over the the years. we're also seeing, donald trump is like the republicans' frankenstein with orange hair. the party is reaping what it's sowed. ronald reagan announced his candidacy in mississippi where civil rights workers were killed. we need an inclusive populism. not the scape-goating populism to speak to the real anxieties and fears and frustrations. but with hope, not
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>> i think katrina is right in part. there is a fundamental existential question. is paul ryan, what party is paul ryan the future of? because the party right now says we want to ban muslims. they voted for donald trump. we want to build a wall. to me, yes, paul vine the future. a future of a dinosaur party that is gone. >> the traditional krit teex of republicans are they're too obstructionist. donald trump saying he can make almost any deal that he can. you have him saying, i have no ideology whatsoever. there's no doubt for the next sper value, reagan-style conservatism will be in exile in the party. the size of government going back since in new deal will not be a major issue in this general election. >> that's critical. the republican party, the conserve tiff movement for the last
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by fighting against the civilizing advances of the new deal or great society. we should take advantage to think anew for what it means for people's lives. >> they've lived in hypocrisy. they say they're for small government, but every person in office over the last 25 years has grown government. >> both parties created a leadership vacuum. democrats have more of the same from washington. things are going not so hot. republicans are saying our principles are only god for saying no and telling people whapt they can't do. america is frustrated and angry. one center of power saying now. >> bernie -- >> that's paul ryan. >> president obama -- obama said about bernie sanders, he's the fresh face of the democratic party. >> he's more of the same. >> he's not only moved the democratic party to the progressive left, he's moved a generation.
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>> we'll talk more about that in a moment. i want to ask rich one final question. how can paul ryan come around to donald trump if donald trump does not move on the ban on muslims or the deportation of imgranlts? >> it will be very awkward. trump doesn't like foreign trade. doesn't particularly like foreign nations, including our allies. doesn't like foreign interventions and doesn't like foreigners when they come here. everything else is completely ne gauche shl. he's telling us. we have a lot more coming up. more from donald trump. we'll dig into his policies. and later, is this the year the third party breaks through? the libertarian candidate, gary johnson, joins us live. i'm always there for my daughter. for the little things.
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unlike fish oil, megared is easily absorbed by your body. megared. the difference is easy to absorb. this is not entertainment. this is not a reality show. this is -- uh -- a contest for the presidency of the united states. and, what that means is that -- every candidate, every nominee needs to be subject to exacting standards and -- genuine scrutiny. >> president obama urging scrutiny of all the candidates' ideas on friday. just as we were sitting down with donald trump.
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you say fixes the economy is the number one priority as president. your tax plan is your most substantive and specific proposing out there. you said you believe in raising taxes on the wealthy, including yourself. but your plan gives a massive tax cut to the wealthy. how do you square that? >> it gives a massive tax cut to everybody. if you look at larry kudlow, he says it's a great plan. i make deals. i negotiate. i put in a plan that has a massive, massive -- bigger than any other candidate. we have to negotiate with congress. i'm not going to be able to say, like president obama, let's do an executive order. you continue do an't do it. you're not supposed to do it. much of what he's done will be overturned by the courts. i'm putting in a plan, that's my maximum plan. >> do you want taxes on the wealthy to go up or down? >> they will go up a little bit. an
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>> but they're going down in your plan. >> by the time it's negotiated, they'll go up. i'm negotiating with the democrats, i'm putting in my optimum plan. it's going to be negotiated. they're going to say let's see what we can do. it will be a negotiation. i'll try to keep everything. what i really want is lower on business. business, we're the highest taxed nation in the world. i want lower in the middle class. the middle class in this country is getting decimated. i'll fight like hell for that. >> but people like me and you should pay more? >> i don't mind paying more tax. i've done very well over the last ten years. >> but under your plan, you pay less. >> i'll be submitting something like what i did in term of concept. it's a concept, george. it's a concept. the real concept is lower taxes for business. lower taxes for the middle
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lower taxes for everybody. then we'll start negotiating. i'm not going to put in high taxes or what i necessarily want. i'm going to put in lower than what want. we'll negotiate. >> in the end, will someone like me or donald trump pay more? >> i think more. the middle class will pay less. i wouldn't mind paying more. business will pay less. the middle class will pay less. the corporate inversion, what is going on is incredible. we have trillions outside the country. by not bringing it back in, that's -- >> it's something you'll negotiate with the democrats. >> on the trillions that are out there. >> on the taxes on the wealthy. you're willing to pay more? >> i am. the wealthy are willing to pay more. we've had a very god run. we hear about obama. we have had
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from your plan. >> it's not a change. it's a negotiation. we have a lot of people that will be negotiating this. they don't do very well. the world -- if you look at the united states with tax plans. not a lot happens. it just sort of stays the same. it's a quagmire. we're getting simplification. lower rates. masive simplification. getting rid of carried interest. it won't make hedge fund people happy. >> you're getting rid of the loophole. you're taxing it as regular income. it will go down from 23% to 15%. >> by the time it gets negotiated, it will be a different plan. like have my cards on the table. we're going submit the optimum. from a practical standpoint, it will get renegotiated. in my opinion, the taxes for the rich will go up some
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>> minimum wage. all through the primaries, you were against it. now you're looking at it. >> i think people have to get more. >> that's change from the primaries. >> i'm aloud to change. you need flexibility. whether it's a tax plan, where you know you're going negotiate. we're going to come up with something. my real minimum wage is to bring companies back into the country. they'll make more than the $15. i've gone all over the country over the last -- really more the eight weeks than ever before. >> since last june. >> i've gone over and seen factories just emptied. beautiful factories, though now they're not so beautiful, because they're starting to crumble. but i've seen buildings that used to house thousands and thousands of people. they're empty. upstate new york. pennsylvania. >> carrier, ford, apple. you want them to come back. >> i don't want them to
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we have to use the power of the tariff. the power of taxation. if we don't do that, we're foolish. >> don't you have to lead by example. so many of the products in the donald j. trump collection are made overseas. >> that's because you can't buy them here. i want to buy television sets here. i buy thousands of television sets here. i buy thousands of sets. i cannot buy a television set many this country. >> if you want other companies to make their products in america, shouldn't you make yours? >> they don't make a lot of the products. >> shouldn't you lead by example? >> george, i told you. they don't make this stuff here. >> brooks brothers does. >> they don't make here. they don't make here. not that i see. i make my hats. make america great again. i said, you must get the hats because i knew the first question was, where are they made? people grab the hats and look. there are
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that hat is a successful thing. i said, i want all of this stuff for the campaign. i want it to be made here. it's made here. and i'm very happy about it. by the way, the quality of the hat is better than all of the other once. >> president trump's in the oval office, he's got the head of carrier and apple there, they're saying to you, why aren't you making your products in america? why don't i buy building materials here? i say make sure you buy it in the united states. >> you don't think that undercuts your position? >> i don't think it does at all. what i want to do and what i'm saying, i want apple, which is taking a big hit lately. people are starting to think why? i want's toll make its product in the united states. you know, if you think about it, you save all the shipping. you save a lot of costs. one of the problems we have is the devaluation of the currencies. right here in nebraska,
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have a 30% tariff when they send out goods to china. 38%. nobody knows that. i just found out about it. i said, when you send your goods, farm product, your goods to china, and the person was telling me. i spoke to the governor. fantastic, by the way. the governor ofux nebraska is f it's fantastic. i said, why, that tariff is unbelievable. and japan, it's 38%. and they send their cars over and you can check. and i'll guarantee you. it's probably zero. it's usually zero. it's a very low number. we have a double standard. it's not fair. it's going to be changed. >> you raise a lot of eyebrows with your position in debt and treasury bills. you might try to repurchase that at a discount. woept that undermine the full faith and credit
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>> no, that's a great thing. the budget was horrible that was made six months ago. the omnibus budget. it will bring us up to $21 trillion. >> who would sell to you at a discount? >> if hyou have inflation, you o slow things down. right now, we have low interest rates. we have to rebuild the whole infrastructure of our country. i have gotten to know it better now. you go to airports, they're falling down. i mean, look at laguardia. you land at la guard ya, it's an embarra embarrassment. >> interest rates are going to go up if you try to buy debt back at discounts. >> people are large on -- you know china has $1.8 trillion of our debt. and they're cheating us. and they're friends of mine. >> they're not going to sell to you at a discount. >> you nev
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you don't know that. at some point, they might want to get out. maybe they need their money. when you can do it, when you can take advantage, you do that. you might want to issue new long-term debt at low interest rates. you may want to -- a combination of buy back debt and rebuild our infrastructure. we've spent more than $4 million in the middle east. >> your foreign policy speech, you said you wanted to work closely with our muslim allies to defeat isis. >> sure. >> don't you push them away with your plan to keep muslims from coming into the country. >> oh, if you do the ban. the ban is a temporary ban until we find out what is going upon the world trade center. san bernardino. we can't go through this. look at germany, sweden. a small section of sweden is beyond out of control. we can't
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anymore. right here in nebraska, they're bringing in tremendous numbers of people. we don't know who these people are. we don't know where they're coming from. i would stop that immediately. >> you're in the oval office. president trump is there. will leaders of jordan and turkey, david cameron, they all come the you. they say we can't help you with the fight against isis if the sban in place. >> i does agree. we're not getting any help. if you look at the help, we're not getting help. they're saying boots on the ground, boots on the ground. we give them equipment, they run. they drop the equipment. i have a friend whose son has been years now, numerous terms in iraq. an unbelievable young guy. i wanted to talk to him. they're very
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soldiers have is not as good as what the enemy has. the enemy takes over the equipment that the other once are using, our so-called allies are using and they drop it and run and run for their lives. the enemy picks up our equipment. 2,000 humvees, armor plated. we have stuff without armor-plate. he said it's really sad when the enemy has our equipment and it's better and newer than the stuff they're using. >> rbt r"roundtable" weighs in we come back. polls in double digits now. gary johnson will be on the ballot in most states. we'll talk to him next. living with chronic migraine feels like each day is a game of chance. i wanted to put the odds in my favor. so my doctor told me about botox®, an fda-approved treatment that significantly reduces headache days for adults with chronic migraine, 15 or more headache days a month,
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donald trump's dad brought him up in the real estate business. in honor of mother's day, i clouzed out our interview by asking him to reflect on his late mom. >> great heart. she was a warm woman. she has a tremendous warmth and a tremendous heart. and she understood, understood life so well. my father was a very hard-driving guy. really good man. very good person. but very hard. she was just somebody that was so warm and had the greatest heart. she loved people.
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soup. the only two options are pumpkin corn chowder or hillary clinton. and you're like, on second thought, i'm not that hungry. all kinds of talk about a third party candidate challenging hillary clinton and donald trump. former new mexico governor gary jo johnson and his party are in for a big year. they meet may 27th in orlando. 800 delegates. they're getting a lot of main stream attention. >> the libertarian party continues to represent the constitutional principles that i agree with. >> the party lines up with conservatives on fiscal issues. social issues, not so much. libertarians are about freedom of choice. drugs, abortion who you sleep with, nobody's business but your own. maybe that will attract ds affected democrats. there are a lot of prominent conservatives and potential
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way. >> can't we do better? i think we can. i hope there's a serious independent candidate that steps forth. >> if you got to a place where those are the two major party nominees, i would have to look for a third party option. >> the libertarian party may make a tempting tagt. it's on the ballot in 30 states. hoping to hit 50 by election day. gary johnson joins us now. thank you for joining thus morning. so many conserve tifrs talking about a third party. you to see that as a threat or an opportunity, the libber taryns. have you talked to them about joining forces? >> i think it is a real opportunity. i do think that clinton and trump are the two most polarizing people in politics. when people declare themselves as independent. i happen to think they're libber taryn, they just don't know it. you teed it
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physically responsible, individual choices. freedom, liberty. person should be making choices in their own lives, not the government. as long as those choices don't put other people in harm's way. >> what is your direct pitch to the never trump conservatives? >> my direct pitch to everybody is to get on this website, isidewe.com. and take the political quiz that at the end of the quiz, you get paired up with the presidential candidate most in line with your views. i side with. hey, shouldn't you find out who you most pair up with and then just knock yourself out supporting that candidate? >> do you think they'll end up with you? >> i think that might be the case. but very on theive. why not give that a shot? >> at first blush, it seems like you'll take more vote from donald trump than hillary inton. do you agree? >> no, absolutely not. in this monmouth poll, key for me, george is just con
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but in the monpomouth poll, whe i was 11%, i took more votes from hillary than trump. it draws from both sides. at the end of the day, 50% of americans say they're independent. well, where is their representation? i think it happens to be libertarian. >> you got about a million votes last time around. don't you need more reach and money to get there? >> it's a chicken and egg thing. if you're not in the polls, you don't get the attention. in the fall, at the heart why the system is rigged, the debate commission says you to be at 15% in the polls to get to the debates. >> ross perot got there. >> that's when the league of women voters backed out, saying the whole thing was a rigged game. the debate commission moved
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polls for starters. and he was in the polls. come the fall, it wouldn't be surprising to me so see, well, gary johnson, he wasn't polling well at all. the fact will be that i wasn't in the polls. right now, there's a legitimacy to having me in the polls. and that is is that the libertarian party will be on the ballot in all 50 states. if i'm the libertarian nominee, i hope to be, i'll be the only third party on the ballot in all 50 states. >> you have been strongly for legalization of marijuana. you were the ceo of a company that produced marijuana products. you're open about the fact that you use them as well. i guess you'll have to give that up if you win the white house? >> i have said i would do that. i haven't had a drink of alcohol in 29 years. medicinal products they don't kill anyone. statistically legal prescription
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kill 100,000 people. i have maintained that legalizing marijuana recreationally will lead to less overall substance abuse. people will find it as a safer alternative than everything else out there, starting with who will. in colorado, the campaign to legalize marijuana was based on the campaign that marijuana is safer than alcohol. and lastly, george, the war on drugs. huge human toll. tens of millions of americans convicted felons in the country that, but for our drug laws, would otherwise be tax-paying, law-abiding citizens. >> bottom line. if you were forced to choose between hillary clinton and donald trump, who is closer to your views? >> you know what, i've been voting libertarian a long time. i read a book in 1971 that really laid out what it was to be a libertarian. i have identified as such ever since. i'm always belvi
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be a libertarian on the ballot. >> gary johnson, thank you for joining us. >> thank you. up next, "the roundtable" is back. can trump scamable the map. how low is the campaign going to go? and is the field really now set?
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would you consider being her vice presidential running mate? >> well, right now, we're focused in the next five weeks of winning the democratic nomination. if that doesn't happen, we're going fight as hard as we can on the floor of the democratic convention to make sure that we have a progressive platform that the american people will support. and then, after that, certainly, secretary clinton and i can sit down and talk and see where we go from there. >> could be a long shot. but who would have thought the democratic contest would go on longer than republican. this has been some year. i want to look ahead to the general election. matt dowd, let me begin with you. you were one of the few people to call the primaries back in september. you said donald trump was the
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nomination. can he defy expeg taxes again? >> i was bullish on him in the primaries. i think it becomes a much harder task in the general election. can he win? it's possible. i think it's unlikely. i think his best assets are two things. where the country is today. two-thirds think we're on the wrong track. think that washington, d.c. doesn't represent their values. and hillary clinton's perception that she's disliked and distrusted. is it possible? i don't think it's probable. >> you were talk about this in the green room. >> i have a slightly more optimistic view of trump's chances. i think they're at least 50-50, if not better. first of all, donald trump is a talented political salesman. hillary clinton is one of the worst candidates in human history. hillary clinton has never been up against
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donald trump with, you know, ten arms and eight legs. this guy tweets at night. crosses freeways with secret service details. he's going to keep her offbalance all the way through this thing. but more importantly, hillary, the country is in trouble. the plane's headed for the top of the mountain here. we're going crash unless we pull back. hillary clinton is more of the same. the country is in the mood for disruptive change. >> alex, please get some more rest. >> there are 16 dead republicans out there who underestimated donald trump. >> they're getting a lot of sleep right now. maybe not. >> no question. he scrambled the so call electoral map in regards to winning. and the rules that allow you to get all of the delegates, that helped donald trump. he only received 35% to 40% of the raw vote. look at the electoral map and
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put in play? i here from my colleagues, the rust belt. there's no evidence he can increase the vote there. i don't believe he can pull together the reagan democrats. hillary clinton, i plooefr, can put georgia and arizona into play and other so-called red states to get more than 300. >> there's a poll out this morning showing hillary clinton within one point in the state of georgia. where do you come down on the debate? >> first of all, modesty and a tip of the hat. this is a guy who won a major party nomination with no pollster, no speech weer, no debate prep, very little knowledge of public affairs. and very little campaign organization. that's an extraordinary feat. he'll attack hill aary with a ferocity she has never had. the map is tough. if she holds the 19 states democrats have won every year since 1992 and adds florida, where she currently has
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13-point lead and donald trump's disfavorable with hispanics is at 88%. i might not like it. donald trump needs to lean in and scramble everything. >> what does that mean? >> it wouldn't shock me if he ends up to hillary's left on health care. she won't move to the center on trade and social security 37. >> higher taxes on the welt thi? >> it's important that bernie sanders keep running. we're going to witness a scorched earth campaign. i would compare it to psychological voter suppression. donald trump may may politics so ugly. >> doesn't that drive turnout up? >> he'll relent lelessly attack hillary clinton. demographics are on hillary clinton's side. we're living in a more socially tolerant, diverse country. the democratic party needs bernie's people, too.
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belt states. the democratic-leaning independents. and needs to put together creative, massive voter registration, grass roots campaigns. to get out the vote. >> i want to put that question to matthew dowd. a strategic question. she's looking at the vice presidential pick. does she try to double down on the bernie sanders democrats or reach out to some republicans disaffected. >> she needs to move to a populist rhetoric. she needs a candidate with her on the ticket, probably not bernie sanders, but one who can voice the concerns of the populist america. i was very bullish on donald trump and said, i thought he was going to win this thing in the nomination process. he could get 50 million more
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lose in a landslide in the general election. to me, where we're faced with the choices we're faced with today. there's rodents in the house. you want an exterminator. do you call one that patches the holes and leaves it as is or bring in the guy, the crazy guy that could poison the dog and break the pipes? >> i have a guy that believes we're about to hit a mountain and a guy with roaches. >> roaches? >> i do believe this is a historic opportunity. the country is at a cross roads. i think what hillary clinton has to do is abandon any notion that she can run a traditional campaign. donald trump, the pseu pseudocampaign. >> do you think she can do that? >> i do. >> i think she's become a better candidate because of bernie sanders in the race. she understands you can't run a traditional campaign in this
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i would conclude with one thing. we're lefing something out of this discussion. the media. i come back to the media. i don't know -- the media has already enabled donald trump in his etch-a-sketch reinvention. we saw it the other day with the taco bowl thing. he comes out with a tax plan. the media is about hillary and donald dueling over taco bowls. >> what are you talking about? i just spent ten minutes on his tax plan. >> donald trump presents the media -- >> i don't mean to cut you off. we have to -- we'll be right shopping for an suv? well, this is the time. and your ford dealer is the place to get into a new ford escape. escape leads the way with the convenience of a foot-activated rear liftgate. plus, the power and efficiency of ecoboost technology. you'll find a full lineup of ford suvs designed to help you be unstoppable. right now you can drive a new escape and get 0% financing for
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hurry, this offer is for a limited time only. see your ford dealer today. it's the opening ceremony tonight for a different kind of sporting event. the invictus games. it kicks off in orlando with participants from a dozen countries. bob woodruff is there. tell us about how the games got started. >> this is from prince paharry. he went to the wounded war games about four, five years ago in colorado, where it's been run. he said, let me bring this to my own country and make it more international. 14 countries competing in this. these guys, you'll see, this will be very emotional, george. they're very competitive. they want to win. they're fighters. they don't want to give up.
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head to rio. also for the paralympics down there. >> important for the wounded warriors. but also for their family, bob. >> yeah. you know, the families, they gt so little attention. most of the attention is on the wounded warriors. the families will be in the stands. wives, husbands, parents, and kids. they just want their dad or their mom to win. and i think that will happen. >> first lady michelle obama will be there. and former president george w. bush. you're talking to him later today? >> the first lady has been very active in all of this. and for years and years done so many changes. yes, and, president bush, we're going to talk to him shortly. he'll talk about his new concentrations chr concentrations, which are really those invisible wounds. ptsd and traumatic brain injury.
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about other things and be surrounded by some of those wounded. one topic, george, that he's not going the talk about is trump and politics. that one is completely off the stage. no chance. >> he's made that clear. robin roberts have an interview with michelle obama and prince harry tomorrow. and now, we honor our fellow americans who serve in sacrifice. since april 1st, two american soldiers have died overseas. that is all for us today. thank for sharing part of your sunday with us. check out "world news" tonight. i'll see you tomorrow on "gma."
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