tv Full Measure With Sharyl Attkisson ABC May 22, 2016 10:00am-10:30am EDT
[captioning performed by the national captioning institute, which is responsible for its caption content and accuracy. visit ncicap.org] ♪ sharyl: hello. i'm sharyl attkisson. welcome to "full measure." donald trump is the presumptive republican nominee. and to get there, he only spent a quarter of what his rival democrats laid out. he says he'll continue to self-fund what's left of his primary. so why has he hired a new fundraising chief? today, we take a look at where the big campaign cash is coming from and which interests are pulling the strings. one trend stood out immediately -- the biggest money of all, in both republican and democrat politics, comes from giant hedge fund billionaires.
sec. clinton: our campaign depends on small donations for the majority of our support. we can't do this without you. mr. trump: i don't need anybody's money. i'm using my own money. i'm not using the lobbyists. i'm not using donors. i don't care. i'm really rich. sharyl: the candidates know it's seen as a virtue if they shun big money. but the reality is, it takes cash to elect a president. will tucker is the money and politics reporter for opensecrets.org, which tracks campaign spending. he's our guide, helping dissect the complex and secretive world of campaign funding. donald trump has spent $37 million out of pocket so far and says he'll continue to self-fund the rest of his primary campaign. mr. trump: i'm not taking money from anybody. i'm not taking millions and millions of dollars. sharyl: donald trump says he doesn't want our money, he's self-financing his campaign,o
will: well, i think donald trump is a little disingenuous when he says that he's self-funding his campaign. he's actually loaning money to his campaign. the money that he has loaned to his campaign can ultimately be paid back to him. there are a lot of people out there who want to give to donald trump and i believe small donors have given him something like $7 million so far. sharyl: donald trump can rightfully say he does not have the big money backing that some of the other candidates do? will: he can, he can credibly say that. sharyl: for the general election, which starts after the party conventions in july, trump will play the nominee's traditional role, helping the republican party raise funds to support congressional candidates and national goals. for that, he's hired steven mnuchin, ceo of dune capital management. mnuchin is hedge fund manager #1 in our campaign money story.
from wealthy investors using high-risk strategies. said to control a trillion dollars, they're working to fend off greater federal regulations. hillary clinton has hedge fund managers in her own orbit. and compared to trump, she's swimming in money. sec. clinton: please, please join the 950,000 supporters who already have contributed, most less than $100. sharyl: clinton brags a lot about her small donors and maybe that's true when you're talking about direct campaign contributions, but it doesn't factor in her super-pac network, which is formidable. will: it is. sharyl: who are hillary clinton's biggest industries and individuals giving to her or her super-pacs? will: so, if you look at her campaign, what you'll see is very traditional democratic sources of campaign funds -- education as an industry and lawyers and law firms, to be specific. but if you factor in the super-pacs that are supporting her, securities and investment, what we consider to be wall street, jumps up the list and it is her number one donor industry.
sharyl: super pacs are controversial because they can raise unlimited sums of money from corporations, unions, and people.
>> he says we should punish women's who have abortions. sharyl: a lot of their spending falls in the dirt department -- >> he says we should ban muslims coming here at all. sharyl: paying for negative ads, social media attacks, and digging up dirt on opponents. clinton's top donor is billionaire george soros. he's hedge fund manager #2 in our report. he's given more than $7 million, most of it to a pro-hillary super pac. will: the group supporting hillary clinton is priorities u.s.a. action, and they take money from george soros, from haim saban, and several other wealthy democratic mega donors. sharyl: who's haim saban? will: haim saban is the chairman of a big media group. he is a liberal mega donor and has been for several years. he's a very plugged in donor with the clinton coalition.
sharyl: saban and his wife have supported hillary to the tune of $7 million. their giant media investment firm owns univision. that's the spanish language tv network that cancelled plans to air trump's miss usa after he said he'd build a wall on mexico's border and crack down on illegal immigration. the saban company is also the network of jorge ramos, who has -- mr. trump: excuse me, sit down. sit down. sharyl: who has publicly sparred with trump. clinton's biggest money strength comes through a formidable network that includes american bridge, priorities usa, media matters, and correct the record -- groups that work together on data, polling, news media outreach, opposition research, and negative ads. >> donald trump says we can solve america's problems by turning against each other.
money list -- billionaire james simons of euclidean capital, our #3 hedge fund mogul. like soros, he's in for around $7 million so far. in contrast to hillary's $7 million men, the donald's top donor weighs in at $150,000. it's john powers middleton companies, founded by the executive producer of "my big fat greek wedding 2." >> who says a woman has to be married? >> the wedding is off! sharyl: for the first time, trump is also getting some major super pac support. in the past few weeks, "great america" has dropped $6 million on pro-trump tv ads. >> we will make america great again! sharyl: but believe it or not, the largest conservative and liberal donors of 2016 haven't given big money to either hillary or donald so far. the number one moneyman, bar none, has plunked down upwards
of $14 million -- most of it to ted cruz. he's wall street ceo robert mercer -- and our #4 hedge fund magnate. the top liberal donor is billionaire tom steyer, our #5 hedge fund boss, and he's not given much to clinton, according to tucker. he's supporting issues. will: tom steyer has given more than $10 million to a group of super-pacs that he started that advocate for climate change policies, progressive climate change policies. sharyl: that takes care of the most colossal donors -- which candidate is getting the most support from small donors? >> our campaign has the energy! sharyl: it's far and away democrat bernie sanders. will: as a matter of fact, when we download the data from the federal election commission, it takes us days to process all of the small contributions that go to sanders. it's a huge headache for our researchers. but you know, it is a point that sanders can credibly make on the campaign trail.
hillary clinton, on the other hand, because she has super-pacs supporting her, the amount of money that she receives from small donors pales in comparison to the amount of money that her super-pacs get and then will spend to support her in the general election. sanders has not had a super-pac that has been affiliated in any way with his campaign, though he does have support of super-pacs. national nurses united have made independent expenditures, though certainly not on the level of hillary clinton's priorities usa. directly to his campaign, we see a lot of contributions from, again, reliably liberal industries, like, education and health professionals that are giving to bernie sanders. sharyl: sanders' biggest single donor is the parent company of google, alphabet inc. $255,000. so, how does it all look in a side-by-side comparison? including so-called outside money -- trump's biggest donor gave $150,000 and his
falls off to $5,000. sanders' biggest donor gave $250,000. all of clinton's top 20 donors break $1 million. for trump and sanders, their top industry is listed as "retired" people -- a total of $756,000 for trump and $4 million for bernie. clinton's top industry, wall street, tops $23 million. when it comes to the direct campaigns, sanders has raised the most -- over $182 million. clinton is right behind him at $180 million. and trump has raised less than a third of each of his current challengers -- $48 million. add in so-called outside money, including super pacs -- clinton takes the lead with a total that tops $256 million. sanders hovers around $182 million. and trump comes in just above $51 million. would people be surprised to
will: i think they would and i think the data that we work with every day reflects kind of what people fear about the political system. it reflects that very few people have an outside influence over the federal political system in the united states. sharyl: under the category of it's a small world -- trump's national campaign fundraising manager, hedge fund manager steven mnuchin, once partnered up in a business venture with clinton's biggest donor, hedge fund manager george soros. trump's campaign told me they think he'll be elected president with far less money than others have spent in recent times. "we're watching every dime," said a spokesman. coming up, taking this sex out of america. male and female seems so passe. we ask -- are we headed toward a genderless society?
sharyl: president obama's recent directive that public schools must allow transgender students to use the opposite bathroom of their physical birth sex is part of a broader discussion about gender in america. questions about who should go where have become federal civil rights issues. the definitions of gender are expanding on college campuses and in popular culture. to understand the new notions that go beyond male and female, scott thuman explores the new vocabulary of sex. >> i'm about to do something terrifying.
i'm coming out to you as a non-binary person. i don't fit within -- i'm getting emotional. i'm so sorry. scott: 20-year-old mauria came out to president obama at a town hall last month. if you were left scratching your head as to what non-binary means, so were we. we reached out to the executive director of the national center for transgender equality. >> a non-binary person believes that the binary, that there are just men and women, that men have to be a certain way and women have to be a certain way -- that that doesn't work for them. scott: she is a transgender woman in transition that age 40. she was arrested in north carolina last month for protesting house bill 2, the new law that requires people to use the bathroom according to their sex on their birth certificate.
>> some people, those boxes aren't real. those boxes can't constrain them. they looked for new language to explain that. scott: it is estimated that 4 million-5 million americans identify as something other than the biological sex they were born into. a fraction of the population with an outsized representation and pop culture. like amazon's "transparent." and former olympic athlete's bruce jenner's transition. there are clothing lines by companies -- zara's ungendered line. calvin klein's ungendered perfume. on facebook, one can choose one of 58 genders. at georgetown, we spoke to students who have embraced it.
>> once i realized that i was not traditionally masculine, it was not feminine -- i realized it was not feminine. i finally settled on non-binary. >> i identify primarily as a woman, female woman. my gender identity does match what i was assigned at birth. >> to me, a lot of being a queer woman is understanding that you live in that gray space, that you live in that ambiguity. you don't always have that definition -- and being ok with that. scott: college campuses have been on a gender bender for some time. at nearby american university, this guide teaches students how to use pronouns respectfully and councils students who always ask what someone's pronouns are. >> it is important to respect how someone identifies. there are things we should all be learning -- how to use these terms. scott: carlo per refers them,
their, they -- since they is neither a he or a she. >> we assume other people's gender. i can say them, their. scott: the american dialect society chose they is the word of the year in 2015. to be used by people rejecting the traditional binary of he and she. it is a trend that riles critics. jay norlinger wrote that the new pronouns are ugly and soulless -- like robot language -- and that today's of session with sex, self, and identity is terribly damaging. >> ve is a gender-neutral pronoun developed over the last couple decades. it is meant to be a substitute for he or she. scott: to tennessee state representative bill
dunne and a lot of ordinary americans, it sounds like talk from another planet.
>> i think it is good when you say somebody is a he or a she. he called me. that tells somebody something. if you tell somebody, we are going to meet ze, you will think you will meet someone from a different planet. scott: what do you say to those critics who say this is political correctness run amok, who say it is silly? >> no. first of all, political correctness is just respecting people. particularly in something that does not matter to you, does not hurt you, does not impact you in any way. why you would care whether somebody is transgender is sort of beyond me. sharyl: scott is here now. we heard in the piece there are an estimated something like 4 million-5 million in the country who fit in this category. do we really know how many there are. scott: no. one reason is that the federal government does
not survey for this. it is not part of census inquiry. the larger reason is there is a
this information. sharyl: we just don't know how big. scott, thanks. ahead on "full measure" -- we've been reporting for months on the release of islamic extremist detainees from guantanamo. ahead, a high-level intelligence official shoots down the administration's key rationale for freeing those enemy combatants.
sharyl: inside information from the obama administration contradicts a key narrative regarding guantanamo bay prisoners. president obama began, and is ending, his administration with a promise to close the prison facility at gitmo in cuba that houses islamic extremist enemy combatants captured in the ongoing war on terror. in february, obama announced his plan to close the prison facility once and for all. pres. obama: for many years, it's been clear that the detention facility at guantanamo bay does not advance our national security -- it undermines it. this is t
this is the opinion of experts, this is the opinion of many in our military. it's counterproductive to our fight against terrorists, because they use it as propaganda in their efforts to recruit. sharyl: but we've learned that premise of a propaganda tool is not supported by the administration's own head of intelligence in at least one memo. "full measure," with our partner "circa," has obtained an unclassified document written by james clapper, the director of national intelligence. it's an assessment provided in february to republican congressman mike pompeo on the house permanent select committee on intelligence, clapper states -- "extremist propaganda has occasionally used guantanamo as one of several reasons to allege that the u.s. indiscriminately persecutes muslims." "isil has invoked the alleged mistreatment of muslims, likely designs this propaganda to justify the group's violent treatment of western hostages." but, the memo goes on to say,
lacks reporting, however, to indicate whether such propaganda motivated more recent isil recruits to join the group." the military prison once held more than 600 suspected terrorists, but most have been released. now there are just 80, including 26 who are expected to be released to their homelands or to another country by the end of the summer. of those released, an estimated 25%-30% have returned to the fight against the u.s. in march, a u.s. official told lawmakers that americans have been killed by guantanamo bay detainees after they were released. when we return, two minutes with donald trump and some of your questions, like when was the last time he drove a car
sharyl: this week, donald trump wrapped up a primary win in oregon on the way to the presidential nomination at july's republican convention in cleveland. when we interviewed him last month on the eve of the wisconsin primary, we asked a few questions he hadn't been asked before, including some from viewers. when was the last time you fired a gun? mr. trump: i would say a month ago. my sons are, i'm in the nra, but my sons are very big in the nra. they love hunting, etc. and i was with them and i fired a gun about a month ago. sharyl: went to church? mr. trump: last week, easter. sharyl: drove a car? mr. trump: oh, that's tough, i'd love to drive a car. now that i have secret service, who are terrific people by the way, but i think i'm not allowed to drive a car. but i love to drive.
to me that's one of the great luxuries. sharyl: but have you driven in recent years? mr. trump: well, i've driven, but since secret service i'm not allowed to. sharyl: shopped for your own groceries? mr. trump: ah! [laughter] sharyl: long time? mr. trump: yeah, that's been a wild. sharyl: pumped your own gas? you don't pump your own gas? mr. trump: i haven't done that, no. sharyl: favorite sport? mr. trump: i have so many, i love all sports. sharyl: pick a couple. mr. trump: well, i love golf, i love watching high level tennis. i love watching baseball. football, basketball. i love all sports. sharyl: best tv of all time besides "apprentice"? something you love to watch, even where you were a kid. doesn't have to be recent. mr. trump: well, i do like "60 minutes," i do like "60 minutes." i do especially when i'm on it, which is more and more. i do like -- you know it's very interesting. i've really, over the past year, i've really watched you and the news shows.
it just seems to be working that way. i don't get to watch television the way i used to. i don't even watch sports very much anymore. this seems to be my sport. but i do like "60 minutes." sharyl: what some of the most important advice you've given your kids? mr. trump: that's an easy question. no alcohol, no drugs, no cigarettes. sharyl: is there advice you've been given sometime that you wish you've taken, that you didn't take? mr. trump: well, ivanka and my wife melania will say, "now, be presidential". because sometimes i'll hit back very hard and it doesn't sound presidential. frankly, if i didn't hit hard, i don't think i would be interviewing you right now, you'd be interviewing somebody else. sharyl: a couple more viewer questions. some viewers want to know, what mischaracterizations do you think the media has saddled you with? mr. trump: i think i'm a very nice person. i love people, i like to help people, and i think the media makes me look like a mean person. and i think i'm a nice person. i love people, i love to help people. sharyl: this is from another
elected president? mr. trump: because i can do the best job. i'm the only one that will make america great again. i know the other candidates. they'll never take us to the promised land. sharyl: and, as the presumptive republican candidate, the only candidate standing between trump and the white house is a democrat. next week on "full measure," an encore presentation of our report on big money and international intrigue. we'll introduce you to a man who turned evidence against one of the biggest and most secretive banks in the world. but he insists the real scandal isn't what happened to him, it's what happened to u.s. taxpayers. >> my government, the department of justice, put me in jail, and my government, the internal revenue service, paid me the largest reward in u.s. history. sharyl: the whistleblower, next week on "full measure." that's all for this week. thanks to the ucla school of management for selecting our reporting "taxpayer beware" as a
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