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tv   Full Measure With Sharyl Attkisson  ABC  January 15, 2017 10:00am-10:30am EST

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sharyl: what are the top national security threats? >> a north korea that is not too far down the path from getting an icbm. sharyl: c.i.a. director john brennan agrees trump's greatest direct challenge is posed by north korea's ruler, kim jong-un. john brennan: the record that he and north korea has, and has this type of capability, i think it presents a direct threat to the united states national security. sharyl: what could a cyber threat lead to? david shedd: it would have a fundamental life-changing impact on our, on our country. lisa fletcher: coal has fueled the economy of southwestern pennsylvania for more than a century. >> for generations, our families have been provided for. lisa: coal country is now trump country. donald trump: we're going to put miners back to work. lisa: do you worry about how
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are hanging their future on his words though? >> the economy doesn't support what's being said. they're in for just another hit. darrell issa: president obama is not going softly into the night. sharyl: like the post-election retaliation against russia, the obama administration is also holding open the gates of gitmo , and allowing a u.n. vote condemning israel for its settlement activities. josh bolten: the outgoing president can do a lot to make it either easy or difficult for the incoming folks to operate, and most outgoing presidents tend to do some of both.
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sharyl: welcome to "full measure." this week president-elect trump held a press conference. most of the questions and much of the post conference coverage had little to do with many of the key concerns of americans. but we have different questions. will we be safer under the new administration? and what are the real threats facing america? president trump will be managing a diverse and some say growing group of foreign threats. we talked with two top intelligence officials and began by asking president obama's former head of the defense intelligence agency, david shedd, to help us navigate the biggest challenges ahead. david shedd: i am concerned that there is a certain naïveté that has been introduced over the last several years into our foreign policy, that if we are open and kind and very permissive in terms of our outreach, that that will be reciprocated.
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we live in a badly broken world where often times that is seen by our key adversaries as a weakness rather than a strength. sharyl: what are the top national security threats you see president trump will be facing when he comes into office? david shedd: by way of threats, i think the president-elect faces a north korea that is not too far down the path from getting an icbm, an intercontinental ballistic missile, that could have a nuclear tip to it. i think is within the distance within the first two or four years of a trump administration. sharyl: and a missile that could reach the continental u.s.? david shedd: it would reach the u.s. in terms of certainly california and the west coast and i think that that is something that he will have to face with along the instability of north korea and the korean peninsula with south korea, of a more conventional nature. >> ♪
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campaign, trump explicitly said he's against proliferation -- more countries getting nuclear weapons -- but his critics said he implied japan and south korea should obtain nukes to protect from a hostile and dangerous north korea. donald trump: you have so many countries already -- china, pakistan, you have so many countries, russia -- you have so many countries right now that have them. now, wouldn't you rather, in a certain sense, have japan have nuclear weapons when north korea has nuclear weapons? sharyl: that comment drew a harsh critique from president obama. president obama: they tell us that the person who made the statements doesn't know much about foreign policy, or nuclear policy, or the korean peninsula, or the world generally. sharyl: i asked trump about obama's criticism in an interview last april. he said you don't know much about foreign policy, or nuclear policy, or the korean peninsula, or the world generally. what you have to say to president obama? donald trump: i've been very critical because i happen to think he's been very incompetent
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nuclear than he will ever know. sharyl: c.i.a. director john brennan agrees trump's greatest direct challenge is posed by north korea's ruler, kim jong-un. john brennan: he is somebody who has demonstrated irresponsibility when it comes to nuclear proliferation. he sees this as his ticket to international recognition. he continues to develop intercontinental ballistic missile capability, along with a nuclear program. anybody who has the record that he and north korea has, and has this type of capability, i think it presents a direct threat to the united states' national security. sharyl: another major area of concern is the world's largest state sponsor of terrorism: iran. a year ago this week, president obama announced the official start of a deal designed to keep iran's nuclear program peaceful and extend the time it would take for iran to build a nuclear weapon. president
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day. because once again we're seeing what's possible with strong american diplomacy. john brennan: i think we should be very satisfied with that deal, from a national security perspective, from an intelligence perspective, i think it was the right thing to do, and i do think it's the right thing to continue to hold iran's feet to the fire, making sure that they adhere to it, but i do believe it would be ill advised, from a national security standpoint, from a regional stability standpoint, to sideline that deal. sharyl: but as the islamic extremist terrorist group isis expanded into iraq in recent years, iran has responded by backing an estimated 100,000 troops there. shedd says the nuclear deal and the return of $150 billion that had been frozen under economic sanctions may have emboldened iran. david shedd: i'm not here to say you've got to rattle the war machine every time anything happen
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in a world that in terms of our friends and allies are pleading for us to lead again, because there is this sense of a vacuum, whether real or perceived, and it's probably some combination thereof, that we have sort of abandoned our best friends in the middle east in exchange for a deal with iran. sharyl: cybersecurity is another key issue that's taken center stage with the u.s. accusing russia of hacking into democratic national committee computers. what could a cyber threat lead to in the united states that's very serious that threatens our national security? david shedd: if a cyber-attack were to take down the banking system in terms of wall street or the investment world where people's retirement funds are sitting, that would be an attack of, of a cyber version of 9/11. it would have a fundamental life changing impact on our, on our country.
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think about your electric group, grid being attacked. think about our weapons systems at the very high end of the f-35 coming under a cyber attack in terms of the ability for them to fly and to have very smart weapons onboard that are guided by largely a cyber component to them as to how they operate. sharyl: and finally, the spread of terrorism will continue to be a top challenge for the trump administration. donald trump: our new approach, which must be shared by both parties in america, by our allies overseas, and by our friends in the middle east, must be to halt the spread of radical islam. sharyl: brennan says the obama administration has done a good job fighting isis. john brennan: when i look over the last couple of years, i see that the momentum of the so-called islamic caliphate, isil, really has been stopped and reversed. th
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have been diminished significantly. it's about 50% less than what they had two years ago. the territory that they had occupied has been taken away from them. i think we're making progress as far as reclaiming the areas inside of syria and iraq that were overtaken by the isil fighters. barack obama: over these last eight years, we have demonstrated that staying true to our traditions as a nation of laws advances our security as well as our values. sharyl: shedd sounds less optimistic. david shedd: i think the fact that president-elect trump inherits a much stronger isil, or isis, after, after these years. are we safer today than 15 years ago? i truly believe that we are, but we're less safe than eight years ago. sharyl: how so? david shedd: the fact that isis has expanded in terms of the number of countries, whether it's in the 16 to 18 to 20 countries, depending on how you
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relationship in nigeria with boko haram, a relationship, if not outright standing, in al-shabaab in somalia, and i could go on and on. so, they're in more places, there are parts of libya, which are largely ungoverned, in sirte, libya and a post-gaddafi world there, so they're in north africa, they're in east africa, they're in west africa. so to say that we're safer overall is simply not true. sharyl: during hearings on capitol hill this week, c.i.a. nominee mike pompeo said islamic terrorism coming out of iraq and syria remains the highest near term threat to america. our interview with current c.i.a. director brennan was supported by our corporate partner circa. coming up on "full measure." we go to coal country, where the promise of jobs helped elect a new president, to see if miners
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sharyl: in pennsylvania, king coal once meant paychecks for families. the campaign promises by the president-elect were to bring jobs back. "full measure" correspondent lisa fletcher went to coal country, to find the line between hope and reality. lisa: coal has fueled the economy of southwestern pennsylvania for more than a century. bill allen: my father was in the coal mine and that's the way i supported my family. lisa: for bill and tina allen, it's the only way of life they know. tina: i have coal ash in my blood.
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it was how for generations our families have been provided put and taken care of, put food on our table, clothed, housed us. lisa: coal country is now trump country. donald trump: we're going to put the miners back to work. lisa: campaign promises turned blue states red. but whether they can be fulfilled may be a more difficult matter. donald trump: we're going to get those mines back open. ohhh, coal country what they've done. lisa: tina allen is a lifelong democrat but voted for trump. tina: he said about clean coal that he'd bring coal mining back. lisa: was there something he said that made you believe he could make good on his promise to bring coal back? tina: well, i just think donald trump is a person that what he says he tries to do. lisa: a decade ago, coal generated almost 50% of u.s. energy. today, that number is closer to 30%. as demanfo
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does the need for miners. dave: i knew it was shutting down. i tried to tell these guyshe mine is shutting down, and they're like, "no, it aint." lisa: dave baer spent 17 years hauling equipment underground at emerald mine here in greene county. he's one of the lucky few who prepared for, what he says, was inevitable. other miners weren't as fortunate. dave: i know what they're going through. they're losing houses, clearing out their 401 k. lisa: baer now spends his days as a counselor. dave: hey, are you still looking for a diesel mechanic? lisa: helping out-of-work miners find new careers or return to school for training. a job his boss, ami gatts, says grows more challenging each time donald trump claims he'll 'bring back coal.' do you worry about how much these out-of-work miners are hanging their future on his words though? hanging on this belief that the coal mines are going to be back to what they were? ami gatts: it is concerning. it's very concerning. i mean, again, i don't know what
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think the economy doesn't support what's being said. and that kind of worries me, and i think they're in for just another hit. blair zimmerman: i questioned my fellow miners when they said, "well, trump's going to bring back coal." and i would say, "ok, how?" lisa: blair zimmerman heads the county commission. but for 40 years he mined coal, just like his father and grandfather. he says it will take more than promises for coal to come back. blair zimmerman: the only way you can really bring back coal is these coal-fueled power plants that have been shut down would have to be brought back up online. to bring them back up after a shutdown would be a major cost to these companies. are they willing to invest in that? lisa: many energy economists say no. since the boon in natural gas began in 2008, it has become both a cheaper and cleaner energy source and now fires most of the nation's electric power plants.
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clean air regulations put pressure on the coal industry as well. this plant in maidsville, west virginia, was built to be the cleanest coal-fired electric facility in the region. but just up the road, the hatfield plant went through a similar $800 million conversion -- and was still shut down because it cost too much to run. ami: when somebody says i'm going to reopen the mines, i'm going to bring back the steel mills, i mean, that's exactly what was said and that, i think, gave a lot of false hope. blair: i love these guys. i worked with them. i know their struggles with work, with their families. i lived the same thing myself. but a lot of these guys aren't going to get called back to the coal industry and i feel bad for them, but it's just a fact of life. lisa: both told us for every
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affects four other people. also downés, shops because there was not the economy to support it. we did reach out to the trump team to ask about their cold plan, and they never got back to us. sharyl: thanks, lisa. when we come back, president obama exits the white house this week. some say his exit strategy is a sc
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sharyl: on the eve of this great nation's peaceful transition of power, there are challenges on a wide range of fronts. a flurry of last-minute actions by the obama administration is placing prickly issues on president-elect trump's plate. we're looking into the obama exit strategy. darrell issa: president obama is not going softly into the night. he very clearly wants to leave what some call scorched earth or at least troubled waters. sharyl: republican congressman darrell issa questions the obama administration's 11th hour
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moves. like the post-election retaliation against russia for its alleged interference in our election by hacking democratic party emails. daryl issa: i do believe that the retaliation, if you will, with russia was appropriate for conduct, but it was appropriate for conduct going back weeks, months, or even years. and that's one of the challenges is, the russians see this as the desperate act of a dying administration, not as a measured response to their misconduct. sharyl: the obama administration is also holding open the gates of gitmo, releasing enemy combatants with suspected ties to islamic extremist terrorists. and it's delivered a final slap in the face to our strongest mideast ally, allowing a u.n. vote condemning israel for its settlement activities. daryl issa: i think that's where president obama is going to come up with shortage in his legacy, because there's going to be an asterisk saying, basically president obama had questionable actions during the transition. sharyl: the current administration can make it easier or can make it tougher on
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the incoming administration? >> the outgoing president can do a lot to make it either easy or difficult for the incoming folks to operate, and most outgoing presidents tend to do some of both. sharyl: josh bolten was chief of staff under george w. bush -- and was there for the transition when some clinton staffers left on a bitter note. did they really take the w's off the typewriters? josh bolten: you know, a few of the younger folks did, um, did pranks like that, but we tried to downplay it because we didn't want that to be the story in the first few days of the administration. sharyl: he says as with most transitions, the clinton white house pushed through a lot of last-minute regulations but was, for the most part, gracious. what patterns do you see, if any, in this transition? josh bolten: for the most part , my sense is the obama administration has tried pretty hard to play things straight, to try to embed som
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policies that they believe ought to be sustained if possible well into the trump administration. sharyl: bolten defends obama's recent actions on russia. and he's against the u.n. vote against israel but doesn't think the president was trying to cause trouble for trump. josh bolten: i don't think it was intended as a discourtesy or a problem for the trump administration. if anything, it's an opportunity for the trump administration to, to show their support for israel by trying to reverse what they can and what the obama administration did. sharyl: since election day, the obama administration has also made numerous last-minute proclamations. he's put parts of the atlantic and arctic off-limits to oil and gas leasing. and designated over a million acres of western land as national monuments, possibly limiting access by native americans and those who use it for grazing. and he's churned out hundreds of federal rules, nicknamed midnight regulations.
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josh bolten: the trump transition quite properly has a team of able lawyers and policy people monitoring what's going on, and making plans to try to reverse as much as possible immediately when the president takes office. sharyl: that's not always easy and often requires multiple votes in congress. darrell issa: if a president, as this one had done, has nine separate regulations, all in the area of medicare or medicaid that they put in, in the last few weeks by the stroke of a pen, it would seem absurd to spend a week or two in the senate for each of these eight or nine pieces of, of law. sharyl: so, issa is pressing forward with a new bill to make it easier for congress to roll back regulations by voting on them in groups. president obama: we want to make sure they feel welcome as they prepare to make this transition. sharyl: meantime, a time-honored transition tradition
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rapid-fire, last-minute rollout of policies and federal rules with the knowledge that the incoming white house will work to change them right back. it almost seems like a big waste of time in a way for the sake of trying to make a point when an outgoing administration gets these wheels going and the incoming has to then grind them to a stop. josh bolten: it is our system. it's part of the price we pay for having a system in which there's a peaceful but very abrupt transfer of power and a lot of power from one group to the next, um, that happens at noon on january 20th. theyl: one analysis finds obama administration has issued 761 final regulations, 119 in the year alone. that outpaces both bill clinton and george w. bush.
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sharyl: thanks to all of you who take the time to write to us on social media. last week's story about the future of obamacare and what's going to replace it generated plenty of comment. scott wrote, "how does a family of four making $55,000 pay a $6000 deductible before getting benefits? it's absolutely mind-boggling." allyson says, "i want far fewer, if any, mandates. lots of competition and options." the new republican-controlled congress has already begun the process of repealing the affordable care act. an
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trump said he wants obamacare repealed and replaced "very quickly." coming up next week on "full measure." president-elect trump has vowed to crack down on so-called sanctuary cities that shield illegal immigrants, including many criminals. some cities will not stand down. instead, they're doubling down on their promise to protect them. kevin kamentez: it is our policy in general that baltimore county police officers do not ask the immigration status of anyone that they encounter. that's not their job. jan ting: there are a vast number of brutal crimes committed against innocent americans by these people who were in custody, known criminals, and they were released because they were incarcerated in sanctuary city jurisdictions. sharyl: the showdown over sanctuary cities next week on "full measure." until then, thanks for watching, i'm sharyl attkisson.
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