tv Face the Nation CBS January 17, 2016 10:30am-11:00am EST
>> for whatever reason donald doesn't react well. when he's going down in the polls. >> dickerson: on democratic side surprising surge of bernie sanders continues causing hillary clinton to scramble we caught up with bernie sanders in vermont. >> what will amount to, will agree, an upset. >> dickerson: not if hillary clinton can help it we'll hear from clinton this morning as she prepares to confront sanders in tonight's democratic debate in charleston. check in with marco rubio and john kasich both battling it out to stay alive after the voting begins. all coming up on "face the nation." captioning sponsored by cbs good morning welcome to "face the nation" i'm john dickerson. breaking news this morning, three americans including washington reporter jason, part of the prisoner exchange with iran announced on the day sanctions were lifted on that country as part of the iranian
and this video shows three of the iranians just preloosed in houston. this is a swap that's already sparked controversy on the campaign trail. we start with former secretary of state, hillary clinton, who is in charleston this morning. good morning, secretary clinton. after this prisoner exchange senator marco rubio said, quote, if you take an american hostage, barack obama will cut a deal with you whether it's bergdahl now what he's done with iran. your reaction to that? >> well, i think it's just typical political rhetoric, overlooks some very basic, important issues, number one, we always try to get americans back who are unjustly held. i certainly did when i was secretary of state. and when i was a senator i advocated for the bush administration to do the same for people who have been unlawfully held in foreign counsel trees. secondly, the important news
agreement to put a lid on the nuclear weapons program of iran is being implemented. iranians have so far fulfilled their side of the bargain by destroying centrifuges, shipping out 98% or so of their enriched uranium out of their country, even making one of their plutonium reactors under construction no longer able to be ever used because they poured cement into it. so, the real issue here is, if you're committed to making the world safer and show strong american leadership you have to engage in patient, persistent diplomacy with people who are not your friends, they are on the other side of a lot of the issues and values that you hold very dear, that certainly true for the united states. >> dickerson: former fbi agent is still in iran, do you believe that the iranians know where he is and if so why wasn't he a
>> well, i regret deeply that bob levinson was not on his way home either. i hope and expect that the iranians will continue to be pressed very, very hard to give up any information they have and if possible to return bob levinson to his home and family. >> dickerson: switching to the topic of gun control, you said bernie sanders should support the idea of lifting immunity block on gun manufacturers, now says he'll support the legislation you pushed him to. so hasn't he done what you wanted him to do? >> well, i am pleasas that senator sanders has flip-flopped on legal immunity for gun makers and sellers, now i hope he will also join members of congress to change what's called the charleston loophole that enabled the killer in charleston to get the gun that he used to murder nine people at bible study here
that's something else senator sanders supported that we need to change. so, now i'm calling on him to also flip flop in the right direction and sign on to legislation to change the charleston loophole. >> dickerson: you at once in 1939 when you were first lady supported testimony in front of the senate finance committee a 25% tax on guns, you're not supporting that now or promoting that now. how have you evolved over the years in terms of your support for the second amendment? >> i do support the second amendment. that is always been understood. i just believe that like any amendment to our constitution there are reasonable steps that can be taken. we have reasonable restrictions on certain kind of speech or certain forms of assembly. for goodness sakes we ought to be smart enough and do so consistent with the constitution to have more gun safety measures
lives that we lose to gun violence every single year. this is something that i have spoken out about. that i have advocated for right now. i think there is a consensus in the country on comprehensive background checks, closing the gun show loophole, closing the online and charleston loopholes, reversing the immunity given to the gun industry, certainly prohibiting would-be terrorist on the no fly zone, that's the common sense approach that we should be boxing to achieve. >> dickerson: the stories out of flint, michigan, lead levels in the water have created an emergency there. senator sanders called for rick schneider, the governor to resign, what is your feeling? >> well, john, this is a issue i've been involved in now for couple of weeks. i am horrified by what happened in flint. i started calling for immediate action, calling for federal intervention, i sent two of my top campaign aides to meet with
know, i appeared on show this past week and demanded that governor schneider ask for the help that michigan needs to deal with the horrible consequences that children and their families are facing in flint. i saw that governor schneider turned around within two hours finally asked for the help that he should have asked for some weeks ago. i don't want to get caught up in the political back and forth here, i want to help the people of flint. and i particularly want a comprehensive health analysis of what's hamed to these children, lead is a poison, it destroys your brain. it interferes with your learning and your behavior. whatever it takes for michigan and the federal government to come together to fema through health and human services, the epa, whatever it takes, we now have to fix a problem and help these kids and especially their
probably for years to come. >> dicicrson: topic of health care back at the national level, your daughter chelsea in which son said senator sanders universal health care plan will dismantle obamacare, dismantle children's health insurance programs and series of other things would dismantle. isn't she and your campaign not taking into account that those things would be replaced by an actual plan that senator sanders has put forward? >> well, i think it's very confusing because he hasn't put forward a plan. and the only way we know what it is he's advocating for comes from looking at the nine bills that he's introduced in the house and senate and congress. in those bills every kind of health care is rolled all up together and handed over to the state which bear a financial responsibility to match what the federal government provides in order to administer health care.
of single-payer system as i understand it. it is a state-based system kind of similar to medicaid, if you will. and i do think there are very legitimate questions that can be raised, because we don't have an up to date plan from senator sanders all of us trying to figure out what it would mean for everybody to be put into that new system. >> dickerson: senator, excuse me -- secretary clinton that may come up this evening when you're on stage. >> great to talk to you again, john. >> dickerson: now we turn to bernie sanders who we caught up with in his hometown of burlington, vermont. hillary clinton said because she understands wall street she told me this last week, regulate wall street like the nixon going to china. >> nixon going to china is exactly the opposite. hillary clinton somebody who received significant sums of
street told them to put it out. >> you know what, cutting it out is not good enough. give you an example. paying a $5 billion for their duplicitous work on subprime mortgages. what the american people are see ing is huge bail out for wall street, while the middle class >> dickerson: switch to taxes for a moment. your tax plan you haven't put out your rates for personal income, could be as high as 90%. >> that's a lie. trump said that over and over again. i don't want to shock you on this one, john. just because donald trump says it may not be exactly the truth. that happens to be total lie. let me talk about that. because we are probably put out more information on taxes than any other candidate in the race.
we're going to end this outrageous position that allows big money interests like wall street firms, to park their profits in the cayman islands and other tax havens not in a given year. in a given year pay nickel in taxes, going to end that. wall street may not like it. but we are going to impose a tax on wall street speculation so that we can make public colleges and universities tuition free and substantially lower interest rates on student loans. so we have already put out a number of tax proposals i believe more than any other candidate which will help us transform american sewed, demand that the wealthy and large corporations pay their taxes. but this is nonsense. >> dickerson: you've raised questions about hillary clinton for paid family medical leave what is your concern? >> here is the concern. she doesn't have a plan, that's the concern. >> dickerson: she said the same thing to you about taxes. still waiting to get your rates.
have presented i think more specific tax proposals than any other candidate. but in terms of family and medical leave what is what you got. united states is the only major country on earth that does not guarantee paid family and medical leave. now, there is a bill in the senate, what it says we will guarantee three months paid family and medical leave, is it free, of course it's not free. we will -- cost of it will be about $1.61. a week for the average american worker. i think that's a pretty good invest: hillary clinton chooses not to support that legislation. >> dickerson: she has her own plan, her plan to tax people who -- >> no kidding? i had not seen that plan. >> dickerson: it's out there. >> it's not out there. dickerson: she'll take the money from taxing those people who benefited from the economic inequalities which sounds like bernie sanders plan. >> it's not a bernie sanders plan, doesn't go far enough. it's a vague idea.
lasting, the people have ownership of it, they know nothing is free, have to pay something for it. when you do something like vague idea, we'll tax the wealthy on this one. it could disappear tomorrow. >> dickerson: health care. when you hear chelsea clinton say that you want to dismantle obamacare, dismantle the children's health insurance program, dismantle medicare, dismantle private insurance. >> millions of people out there with no health insurance at all. spending my entire life making sure that as many people as possible get health insurance, that is just unfortunate statement. that chelsea clinton made. affordable care act which i helped write, voted for, has done some good things, no question. but we have got to go beyond that. we've got to join the rest of the industrialized world, healthcare as a right we can save the middle class families thousands of dollars a year in the health care costs. >> dickerson: donald trump says unless he wins all of his
do you feel the same way. already had achievement? >> we started this campaign as you well know like 3% in the polls. we are now ahead in new hampshire, closing the gap in iowa. i think we have good chance to win both those states. i think we have good chance to win this election. i think the reason that we are going to win is that people are sick and tired of status quo politics and economics. they want a president who has guts to stand up to the billionaire class and start representing working familiar glees. >> dickerson: when you were at state the union, that could be me up there? mind. it's a very humbling experience, feeling. but we're running hard to win. we think we have a good chance at iowa and new hampshire. and we think we have good chance to what will amount to the, one of the great political upsets in >> dickerson: you just think about it that's it or start making plans?
not quite. it's a long way to go before we talk about inaugural speech. >> dickerson: you have suggested you are the more electable democrat, what is it about you, more electable? >> i think we have an appeal to young people, to working class republicans, to democrats obviously, to independents. i think what we are seeing in the sanders campaign is a great deal of energy and excitement. it will translate into a large voter turn out, large voter turn out not only means winning the presidency it means recapturing the senate, doing well in the house, winning governor seats all over the country. >> dickerson: there's a perception you have weakness on foreign affairs is that something that you need to improve as a skill to be president or people just misinformed? >> i don't think i have a weakness on foreign affairs. is it true that hillary clinton was secretary of state for four years, of course. great deal of experience,
but not just experience, it's judgment. i voted against -- not only against the war in iraq i helped lead the opposition. hillary clinton voted for that war. one of the worst foreign policy blunders in the modern history of the united states. you know what, judgment counts when you are talking about foreign affairs. >> dickerson: you set donald trump is pathological liar, why specifically? >> give you one example. when he goes around telling people that i want to raise their taxes bid 0%, that's a lie. never said that. it's not true. number two more important look. trying to divide this nation. he tells us that the mexicans who are coming in to this country are drug dealers, they're rapists, they're criminals, that's just a lie. even worse, he goes around saying i, donald trump, i saw on television thousands of muslims celebrating on 9/11 when the twin towers went down. that's a lie. there is no evidence, there was never anything on television. it never happened.
he is pathological liar. >> dickerson: thanks very much, senator sanders. our full conversation with bernie sanders is on our website at facethenation.com we'll back to hear from the republicans. those new glasses? they are. do i look smarter? yeah, a little. you're making money now, are you investing? well, i've been doing some research. let me introduce you to our broker. how much does he charge? i don't know. okay. uh, do you get your fees back if you're not happy? (dad laughs) wow, you're laughing. that's not the way the world works. well, the world's changing. are you asking enough questions about the way your wealth is managed?
>> dickerson: turning to the republicans we spoke to marco rubio in sioux city, iowa. we asked him about the prisoner swap. >> they're not prisoners these people were hostages, none violated any real laws, in fact some weren't even charged one was a reporter, the other one was a pastor. they have done nothing. let me just say bob levinson still missing, we believe they know not being cooperative we should not forget him and his situation. going back to the point, these he'll were hostages. people america is releasing they were convicted in a court of law after due process of helping violate sanctions. the president is pardoned them
hostages which had done nothing wrong. proves once again that now nations and enemies of america around the world know that if there's a price for americans, if you take an american hostage, barack obama will cut a deal with you. whether it's bergdahl, what he now iran. we're happy they're coming home prisoner. >> dickerson: what about the quick resolution of the ten sailors earlier last week, john kerry secretary of state said that is another instance which depp ploy ma see helped solve that faster than it would have in the past. >> . >> image fin they wandered into egyptian waters, there wouldn't have been anything going on there, an incident. they would have had their motor repaired sent back on their way instead of what happened, iran grabbed them, put them on their knee, hands behind their heads. forced them to apologize on video. made the female sailor wear a burka.
room, all effort to show how powerful they are how weak we are and huge propaganda score. they are notarial lice or friends, ultimately they released them only after achieving what they wanted. to prove that if they wanted to they can grab american sailors and subject them to miss extreme. >> dickerson: president owe bam main state of the union said, that with isis, when republicans say too grave a threat it plays right into their hands you said it's a clash of civilization. are you playing into their hands as president has charged? >> i think playing playing into their hands would be ignore reality of what isis has become. isis is not just some group of radicals on the back of pick up trucks. this is a group that's grown in both influence and sophistication, they have very sophisticated propaganda program that are recruiting foreign fighters. they have a sophisticated understanding of foreign immigration practices, you've seen how they have been able to insert people into europe, refugee crisis, there's group control significant territory in iraq and in syria.
can we defeat them, absolutely, only if we have real war against them to find them and destroy them. if you capture any of them alive send them to guantanamo bay find out everything they know. >> dickerson: you said this threat has changed nature of the immigration debate. you said during the debate dramatically different than it was 24 months ago but during the immigration debate that you were very much of part of there were two amendments, one that dealt with visa over stays because of possible terrorists using that visa over stays another one about securing the border first before any kind of a deal. you voted against both of those, weren't people worried about security at the time and not just because of isis in terms of terrorist threats? >> let me correct you about those amendments because they had already been dealt with in other amendments, john cornin had one that i supported and cosponsor of largest border surge in american history. 20,000 new border agents. completing 700 miles of fencing
biometric entry-exit tracking system that is required to prevent visa over stays to identify people that evestayed, no where they were be able to remove them from the country. all of that was dealt with or about to be dealt with. -- threat. we clearly have in the past always had terrorist groups that had an interest, but never had group like isis that has in depth understanding of foreign immigration practices, for example, we know that one of the killers in san bernadino entered the u.s. on fiance visa, something that most americans didn't know existed. that process broke down. we didn't have the refugee crisis that we're now facing. i've always had terrorist groups but even al qaeda some of the other groups that are out there are regionally based they strike at america as they have in the passion on different occasions but their focus was on the middle east. this is a group that has global ambitions, of conquering. flying the flack flag of isis over the white house.
dramatically different from any other terror threat. the most active, sophisticated, well funded terrorist group we have ever confronted they need to be defeated either they win or we win. when i'm president we'll win this battle. >> dickerson: let me ask you about becoming president, a political question. there are a lot of people who are nervous about ted cruz, are nervous about donald trump would like to coalesce around one candidate. but there are lot of other candidates that you're competing with, why not just make the argument say, don't vote for anybody else because we'll split the vote, back me as an alternative to ted cruz and to donald trump. >> well, actually i've been saying now for awhile i believe i'm only one in the primary field that can unite the republican party which is critical. but also attract new voters who haven't voted for us in the past. but i believe i am best positioned to take our principles of conservatism and convince people that haven't voted for us in quarter century that we're a better choice. i know this, hillary clinton does not want to run against me, their attacks are constant from
run against her if i'm our nominee we will defeat her turn this country around. >> dickerson: lot of people buying firearms recently, you bought one on christmas eve, why? >> well, first of all i'm not very home. those are one of the few days i was there. second i have right to protect my family, previously firearm holder as well this is additional one. gibb, i think many americans feel the same way. i'm a strong supporter of the second amendment, i have a right to protect my family if someone were to come after us, in fact if isis were to visit us or our community at any moment, last line defense between isis and my family is the ability that i have to protect my family from them or from a criminal or anyone else that seeks to do us harm. millions of americans people that way. >> dickerson: senator marco rubio, thank you.
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