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> . this week -- she rose and fall. but now she's falling faster. our headliner, congresswoman michele bachmann. with her presidential campaign at a cross roads, we asked, how she plans to get back in the game. and then -- the flat tax sensation. rick perry hopes it will break his losing streak. >> the flat tax will unleash growth. >> herrian cain is driving his
veshs to the top of the poll. >> 9-9-9 >> it's a republican crowd pleaser. >> but does the math add up? our power house roundtable. and then, one of to world's richest men on the global obligation to the poor. >> every dollar makes a huge difference. >> microsoft founder bill gates on getting government to give in a gloomy economy and revealing comments about his love/hate relationship with the late steve jobs. good morning. welcome to the program. lots to get to today, but first some news since your morning papers. more than 2 million people in the northeast are without power this morning, after freak snowstorm slammed into the east coast.
the record breaking nor'easter brought winds of over 60 miles per hour. the largest october snowstorm in new york city's history. in afghanistan, new details are emerging about yesterday's suicide bombings. it cast a pal on a newgon report showing that overall security gains in the country. abc's jake tapper has more now from kabul. >> reporter: christiane, good morning. deadliest attack on coalition forces here in kabul in the more than ten years of the afghanistan war. 13 service members and contractors were killed when the armored bus when they were was targeted by a taliban suicide bomber. a bomb that weighed 1500 pounds. four innocent afghans were killed as well. the attack came one day after the pentagon released a report
that year to year attacks are down. the united nations said that attacks overall on civilians are up 40%. u.s. forces here say that this attack is a sign of taliban desperation, but that seems debatable. attacks by the taliban here in kabul are getting more brazen and more deadly. christiane? >> thanks, jake. the attack comes as president obama is trying to drawn down troops in that war. turning now to the republican primary and herman cain, he muscles his way to number one in the des moines register poll. cain inches out mitt romney for the top spot by just a hair. ron paul is next with 12%. michele bachmann who tied romney for first place just two months ago, is now number 4 at 8%. and rick santorum brings up the rear with just 5%.
the poll caps off a busy week with campaign punch and counterpunch. here's our man jon karl with a very special halloween episode of "this week in politics." >> reporter: this week in politics was the spookiest yet. starting with that smokin' herman cain video, that slow-motion smile. then we saw cain made even stranger videos. like the one with the cowboy carrying yellow flowers on a horse and a guy chugging whiskey. >> are you guys liberal? >> reporter: it spawned parodies with anybody with a comedian show. this week's bus tour taking him through alabama. >> i'm not sfoedz be running. i'm not supposed to win and i'm not supposed to be standing up
here with this hat on. >> reporter: alabama? when is their primary? not in january, not in february. they don't vote until that after 22 other states and the u.s. virgin islands. rick perry got spooked by debates. >> it was before he was before -- >> reporter: what do you think, governor perry? more debeats? >> i don't know if we're going to forego any debates or not. that there are going to be a lot of debates. >> reporter: perry came out with flat tax this week but caused more of a stir what with he said about the president's birth certificate. >> it's fun to poke at him a little bit. let's see your grades and your birth certificate. >> reporter: michele bachmann said no this week to a flat tax. in ohio, on tuesday afternoon, romney had this to say about
ballot initiative factor about the ballot. >> those are under the people of ohio. >> reporter: by wednesday, mr. no apology had this to say. >> i'm 110% behind governor kasich. >> reporter: from no position to 110% in favor in less than 24 hours. president took his show out west. handing out lot of treats, lower student lones and reduced mortgage payments. >> have you been watching the gop debate? >> i'm going to wait until everybody's voted off the island. >> reporter: finally, trending this halloween. hillary clinton, up. looking presidential on the cover of time magazine and check out time's poll, she beat romney by 17 points. romney, up. new poll show him strong in all
of the early primary states. but down, too, another flip-flop in ohio. perry, down. steps on his economic plan with birther talk. newt, up, again n a slew of new national polls, he's in third, way ahead of perry. up, iowa, it's a race. down, new hampshire. and the huntsman daughters, up, with a busy twitter handle and their own cain parody video. they seem to be having more fun than dad. with this week in politics, i'm jonathan karl. so it's a good sunday morning for herman cain, riding high in that new iowa poll. but not so good for congresswoman michele bachmann, who's lost a lot of ground in the poll. she joins me this morning from cedar rapids, iowa. thank you for joining us. >> good morning. >> let me ask you, the new des
moines register poll, has you know at fourth, languishing, with just two months ago, you were tied at the top, is it going to take some kind of miracle to resurrect your campaign? >> well, we're doing exactly what we need to do, again, i just want to remind you, that i won the iowa straw poll in and the woman to ever win the iowa straw poll. i'm doing exactly what i need to do in iowa. i'm meeting with people multiple times. a difference what several weeks can make in a presidential campaign. these are snapshots in time. >> do you think, do you concede that you have lost some momentum. it's not just iowa. but also accords to cnn opinion research poll, even in new hampshire, you're seventh. are you concerned about the
deflation, the deflating balloon of your campaign? >> we're not worried about the day-to-day snapshots. we're focused on the primary daets. everything changes by then. the last cycle of the presidential race it was fred thompson and rudy giuliani who were at the top of the chart. and not john mccain. and he became the candidate. we're focused on meeting with people and getting our positive message, job growth. i have been working for five years at the tip of the sphere in washington for the issues people care about. that's what we're talking about on the campaign trail. >> there's the caucus state, in about two months from now, as your campaign manager has said, is iowa for you a must-win state? >> of course, we're focused on
iowa. we're focused on the schedule and the primary process. iowa is first caucus. then on the new hampshire. then south carolina. we're focused on the schedule that the states are now agreeing on. >> is it a must-win for you? >> well, we're focused on it as we are all on the states. so -- >> what happened if you didn't win there? what would happen? would that doom your effort do you think? >> well, you know, the most important thing right now is the positive message that we're putting out in every state. people see me as reformer and a fighter. that's what sets me apart from all of the candidates. i spent five years in washington, d.c. i was the lead person fighting president obama against the obama care. i wrote the bill to repeal obama care.
that's what people see. i have exercised leadership in washington, d.c. and people know that i say what i mean and i mean what i say. i don't flip flop. i stand strong on issues and i fight and that's what we need in the white house to take on president obama for 2012. >> congresswoman, let's talk about some of the issues, you have called it a declaration of war that the plot by iran, the alleged plot, you called it an act of war, as a president, president bachmann, what would you do, how would you retaliate to an act of terrorism on american soil. >> one thing that i would do against president obama, i wouldn't take my eye off the fundamental problem in the middle east is an iran seeking to gain a nuclear weapon, this will change the course of history once that happens. i would take everything at our
disposal to make sure that iran doesn't have a nuclear weapon. they have already stated that they would use a nuclear weapon to wipe israel off the map. that must never occur. if there's anything that we have learned over the course of history, when a mad man speaks we should listen. in the case of iran, that is certainly true. >> congresswoman, of course the united states is concerned about the nuclear program, iran denies that it has one. but the real question is, what would happen? how would you retaliate if there's an act of war on american soil? would you consider the use of force? >> i would consider the use of everything that we need to do to maintain the security and safety of american people. of course, there must be an
identifiable american interest. we have to consider, again, what happened. this was iran. attempting an international assassination plot against the saudi arabian ambassador. potentially set in a restaurant in washington d.c. these are very serious actions and indicate the aggressive posture that iran is now taking against the united states of america. they see the united states as less than a threat to them than ever. clearly they fell to respect the united states and our present and they see the weakening of u.s. presence, particularly with the nonagreement to status of forces agreement in iraq and the pullout of the united states by the end of december. >> congresswoman, you have said,
you will have all options on the table. let me move on to libya, you have said that you disagreed with president obama, that libya and the action there was not an america's national interest, so, as president bachmann, if you had not taken that decision to lead and to support the nato option, there would be presumably, tens of -- hundreds of thousands people dead in benghazi and moammar gadhafi would still be in power. >> clearly, it was the defense secretary gates who stated there was no vital american interest in libya. that's the precursor of america's interest in another nation. president obama's reason for an united states involvement. he made his that decision on his
own, he said, for humanitarian purposes. clearly this was about regime change. that was the focus of the president. so, now, we have a mess in libya. we don't know who the ruling party will be going into libya. there are some indications that gibril is an early leader. there's a tension war right now. so, this clearly is not settled what the leadership or what the future course of libya will be. there's tremendous uncertainty and chaos. when there's uncertainty and chaos in a nation, that's when you see trouble and extreme elements that could come into power. that would not be good for the united states' interest in that area. >> again, just beliefly, gadhafi, launched terrorist plots and act against the united states is no longer. now, that we see the end game, you have seen what happened, would you basically still say that given relatively minor u.s.
involvement by billion dollars and supporting aircrafts, no boots on the ground that it wasn't worth it. >> my position is, united states should not have gone into libya. again, the last chapter isn't written inspect is a snapshot in time. we have seen continued deaths and fighting in libya. this will not end any time soon. it remains a struggle for power. again, this is the issue now in the middle east region. who will ultimately hold seats of power? egypt is unknown who will control that seat of power. that's true in libya as well. will it be extremist elements that rule? it's very important because of the oil revenues. oil revenues could be use to
further finance extremist eleme elements. this is far from settled in libya. >> let's take security issues closer to home, about illegal immigrations, you have made some statements wondering your attention to detail on this. i want to play something that you said about this this week. >> 59,000 alone this year came across the border as was said in the introduction from yemen and syria, these are nations that are state sponsors of terror. they are coming into our country. >> congresswoman bachmann, i want to read from the report, 59,000 represents the total of illegal immigrants. only 11 of them were from yemen and just five were from syria. not 59,000. i mean, how do you get those figures so wrong?
>> i didn't state in the full context of my remarks, i didn't say 59,000 came solely from states that were state sponsors of terror. i said it included among them are -- you're missing the main point that i made. the fact that the united states government has failed to secure our boarders has put the american people at risks. if there was one individual who came illegally across our border from a state sponsor of terror, that alone would show the failure of the united states government. the fact that we have 59,000, other than mexicans coming across in one year, certainly poses a threat. i didn't say they were all from the state stop sos of terror. that would be inaccurate for you to report that >> it's in your statement there. i'm hearing what you're saying now to sort of talk about what you actually meant.
of course, yem season not classified as a state span so of terror. can i move on in. >> that's right. yem season not a state sponsor of terror. nor did i say they were. on the secretary of state's website listed the nations that are state sponsors of terror. coming across unimpeded on the united states southern border and that's why i have stated in within one year of being president i would build the border. >> but, let me ask you one final question about your opponents. you have basically said that governor perry is intim is taking your ideas coming to his tax proposal.
he's talking about a flat tax and you're not really. how do you consider that taking your ideas? >> my plan is unique in that, unlike any of the other plans, my plan calls for every american to pay something when it comes to federal income tax. 51% of americans pay no federal income tax. this needs to change. we're at a tipping point now. i take a page from ronald reagan and the economic miracle that was wrought in the1980s. reagan flattened the tax rates and he simplified them. because he was working with a democrat congress he couldn't abolish the u.s. tax code. i would abolish the united states tax code. i would flatten the rates and simplify them. i would have several rates. which is a flattened simple, much fairer system and one that would raise revenues for the
federal government as well. >> on that note, congresswoman bachmann, thank you so much for joining us. >> thank you and good morning. up next -- the cain gain, can. pizza mogul keep the momentum going? questions for our roundtable coming up. teamwork. when it comes to preparing for your financial future, it helps to have a team that performs well together. pacific life offers life insurance, annuities for lifetime income, mutual funds and retirement solutions. ask a financial professional about how pacific life's more than 140 years of experience can bring strength to your team. pacific life - the power to help you succeed.
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we obviously are very excited about that. and i think it just goes to show that even though the pundits have been criticizing me, we have done a lot of work in iowa and it's still paying off. >> herman cain in alabama last night after a first-place finish in the des moines register poll and getting to the top and staying there are two very different things. the real question, can cain go the distance? let's bring in our roundtable. george will, cokie roberts, austan goolsbee and ron brownstein. so, you just heard what herman cain said, george, is he going to stay there? can he keep up this momentum? >> not if the future is like the
past. the general conception is, in iowa, you have to do intricate organizing county by county. maybe you don't anymore. my feeling is, iowa caucuses are light years from now. overnight is a long time and a week is forever in american politics. no one has voted. iowans aren't paying attention yet. >> herman cain is this week, two weeks not romney. we had an entire season of not romneys. whether it was rick perry or herman cain or donald trump or chris christie, this is this week's, until the republicans either decide that somebody really is the not romney or romney is going to be the nominee, we'll keep having people pop up. >> the des moines register is very consistent in what we saw
in the four other polls that came out. there's a half of the party that doesn't identify with the tea party, they are steadily consolidating around romney. >> and that includes endorsers in congress and fund-raisers >> his numbers, double-digit advantage with that side of the party. with the other side of the party, tea partiers, they don't want romney, but they haven't been able to settle on one candidate. not clear that this is where the moving finger stops. >> it's not just anti-romney. i think there's bit of a clamor that herman cain has something that's a new idea. >> cain, that ad of his is really fun to watch. >> let me bring in former
congressman dick armey, a leading voice in the tea party. congressman, are you embracing herman cain and if not, why not? >> well, we all sh -- i speak for a lot of folks across the country, we like herman cain's authenticity. one thing that you can say clearly, he's not a politician, he's considered by the politicians for being too amateurish. yet he has a personal record of accomplishments that none of them can match in terms of his personal life and how often he got the job done. he's straightforward in the way he talks. he campaign very directly. he doesn't seem to be beleaguered by -- from our point of view, yeah, he's not one of them. so, therefore, make him very
attractive to us. >> michele bachmann had that position, self-declared position during the summer. is he now "it" for you? >> the fact this is a longterm process. we enjoy having people in the race. make their point of view. and we like herman cain, a great deal, we don't think he has the best economic plan and the time analysis, we're concerned with what policies will in fact be implemented by a new administration, working with a new majority in the house and senate, that will move this economy forward and will give our kids to have a better job, a job in the first place. it's all about our grandchildren. >> congressman army, if i recall, governor perry is the man you're waiting for to see how he does.
you like his economic plan as i understand it. >> well, governor perry has had -- has seen the first best public policy option to move economic growth forward with the flat tax. he's also probably aware that for the first time america's in washington r more responsible for people at large. >> what you're hearing here, though s the hope on the part of a lot of republicans that rick perry can pull it out. he's not just done it so far. >> it underlines the risk for republicans. if that majority doesn't
coalesce behind a candidate, he could be the nominee. that's the direction it's heading. someone told me this week, they might feel compelled to endorse one of conservative candidates. because they need some unity. >> the only person who can stop romney is romney. he took it with his serial changes of mind. >> we have seen he's collapsed under the debate pressure. here's what he told fox news about debates. >> nothing more to tear down the candidate. they're interested in stirring up between the candidates. >> he said that he's going to do the november debates. we don't know anything about the future debates. is that important? does he need to stay in those debates?
>> he needs to do better in the debates. just assert these debates are subtraction from the nation's understanding. they're not debates, they're serial press conferences does anyone remember what lincoln and douglas did? the first candidate talked for an hour and the second candidate talked for an hour and a half. >> we lived this on both sides, especially on the extended democratic primary in 2008, and, it's true that one thing that happens is, it's prone to little snippets coming out that create a brew ha ha. i will say, you also saw a certain discipline that will prepare you for a long general campaign. >> what about the flat tax plan? everybody's suddenly in love
with these flat tax plans? >> the truth is, even though they don't enlighten, what they do is constantly tear down the president. i mean, that is what you have a central message. and i do think that in that case, when you have long primary on, you know, on one party and not the other, the message of the party that's antiincumbent in this case, really does have a factor. >> the way you run for president may be changing. debates have allowed candidates to stay in the race, unable to build the kind of fund-raising base or broad support in the polls. if you can go on these debates, get 5 million or 6 million people watching, you're reaching a big part of the audience. it helps romney in the end, it
continues to divide that vote. it becomes a national audition in which voters everywhere are being exposed to the same national media. >> let me ask you about the issue now, the flat tax, gaining so much steam with the republicans. rick perry's plan, basically, we can see it right up there. the person can choose to choose existing tax code or a 20% flat tax. is that a little bit of something for everyone? >> no, it's a little bit of something -- this is like the tax version of we're going to try to bring back the leisure suit. we thought this through 20 years ago, when we get down the flat tax, you're going to find it's a huge tax cut for high-income people, it has to raise taxes on the middle class. the only way to avoid doing that
is to make a huge revenue loser. the thing that's interesting to come out of the republican candidates is that if you look at cain, if you look at perry and romney, they have each put forward not just refusing to have taxes go up, that we raise any revenue in a balanced way, they're actively arguing for trillion-dollar tax cuts on the high end. >> let me just say, let me make the point, that's pretty ux you know, ordinary coffee talk that we just heard. it's part of the party line. the fact of the matter is, all across eastern europe, and throughout the history of its implementation, in oil economies, the flat tax has proven to be the best growth engine for the economy. in the context of the growth,
incomes go up for everyone and you treat everyone the same. i don't understand why all of these people out there, can't accept that fair is treating everybody exactly the same as everybody else. we have unfair brutal tax system that oppresses the economy. let's replace it with something that's fair. >> i think -- i think that you would find a lot of businesses would disagree with you. the deduction for health insurance is something that they have used very much. >> one of those romantic gal lan
tarrens was mitt romney. took out full-page ad saying that the flat tax was a tax cut for a fat tax. even though taxes are outrageous at the same level, it completely exempts them from taxation. >> we're out of time. thank you very much. >> i'm listening -- >> sorry, congressman. >> we are out of time. >> taking all of these tax breaks. this takes them away. >> thank you very much, indeed, this conversation will continue in the green room. coming up -- revealing conversation with bill gates about steve jobs, class warfare and what america must do and can do for the most honorable.
president obama these france next week to attend the g-20 economic summit in cannes and so too is microsoft founder bill gates. he wants to convince wealthiest companies to take care of the poor. with the economic crisis rippling across the world will be a tough sell. he got a taste of that challenge
when he visited capitol hill this week. do you buy this notion that there's class warfare in this country right now. >> no, fortunately, there hasn't been class warfare. warfare is like where you're shooting at each other. >> believe me, i know warfare. >> right. so, look -- >> the buffet rule, all of the other proposals that the president is making is being called class warfare? >> well, i can't imagine these millionairesaires going down to the streets, they'll have to pay more in taxes. it's going to be rough for them. there's a case to be made that taxes should be more progressive
and you know, that's being debated by various people. >> do you support the buffett rule? >> i'm not an expert on taxes. clearly you can't raise the taxes we need just by going after that 1%. i'm in favor that the rich should pay somewhat more. to really deal with the deficit gap we're talking about, that alone just -- numically is not going to be enough. >> you talk a lot about education. we have seen the figures that the more educated, the more you have a degree, further degree, the less problems you have with employment. but a new book is out saying that bill gates was a college dropout. steve jobs was. mark zuckerberg of facebook. it's not just about colleges,
that interpnovators -- >> some people will make their own route and you know, those people don't need some guy to make a route for them. you go to college, drop out six years, you go india. i don't think that's something we need some route for that one out of million type person. for most people, being able to do mathematics, being able to read, have job skills that will let you be a nurse or a policeman, a teacher, you know, these are great things and our capacity for doing that needs to expand. >> his latest misgetting the world's wealthiest nations to continue developing in -- investing in the developing nations. you're going to propose for the
richest country in the world to do and keep their commitments and give more to some of the poorest countries. is that a heavy lift in this era of austerity? >> if we look at how the world has improved, it's very impressive in how we reduced poverty, malnutritiomalnutritio need to take lessons, the generosity and carry that forward despite the fact that we have this economic crisis. >> how can you convince people here in the country that this is something that should be done? >> certainly if you talked to people about providing aids drugs who would die otherwise, the u.s. voters are very generous about that. they're very excited that the u.s. has been the leader in both of those areas. and they're pretty surprised when they find out it's less than 1% of the federal budget going to aid very broadly where
these high-impact health problems are just a portion of that. so, if we had an referendum on aids drugs, think we'll do so well as long as it doesn't get buried over the terms about foreign aid. >> you were on capitol hill, what sort of welcome did you get? >> they have a tough constraint. the question is, should these moneys that help the poorest, that enhance national security, should they be cut more than other things? cut equally? or should they be preserved? that's something they're having to think about. i'm reminding them that every dollar makes a huge difference. >> when president obama says, it's time to do nation building here at home, what's your answer to that this. >> well, i think, absolutely, the united states has to go back
and look at what's going on with our education system, what's going on with our medical costs, our infrastructure, our energy, there are some very important things, which is why 99% of the budget will focus domestically. there's question as you do that, the u.s. lead role in helping the very poorest, get them back, should you do your nation building? by causing more of those people to die or should you maintain at least at the level you promised, that you went out and said that the vaccine, the global fund, we'll put this money in, are those promises going to be met? >> there was an enormous outpouring when steve jobs died. i don't think anyone has seen a businessman get so much reaction. how do you explain that? >> well, steve jobs did a
fantastic job. when you think about why is the world better today the internet, the personal computer, the phone the way you can deal with information, is just so venomal. >> you must have heard about the book that's come out. walter isaacson has written a book about steve jobs with his authorization. he said a few things about you. some pretty tough words. he said that you're unimaginative. you shamelessly written off other people's ideas. >> steve and i worked together, creating the mac, we had more people on it. so, over the course of the 30 years we worked together, you know, he said a lot of very nice things about me and he said a lot of tough things. i mean, he faced several times
at apple these products were so premium priced they literally might not say in the marketplace. we were succeeding with high-volume products, including a range of prices, with the way we worked with multiple companies, it's tough. at various times, he felt beleaguered. he felt like he was the good guy and we were the bad guys. very understandable. i republican steve, we got to work together. we spurred each other on, even as competitors. >> mr. gates, thank you very much, indeed. the bill and me lined ya gates foundation has provided support to abc news for our global initiative. the sunday funnies are nekts. little industrial? okay, there's enough energy right here in america. yeah, over 100 years worth. okay, so you mean you just ignore the environment.
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refurbished islam art gallery. they have had turbulent relationship with islam since the horrors 9/11. but a strike of bad timing, the met closed the galleries for renovations for 200 #. we needed to see another side of this civilization, when we needed to learn more not less about islamic culture. so, now, art spans that thousand years from ancient persha, egypt, is on display in all its glory. the magnificent tiling. carpet, more than three years to restore. another persian masterpiece.
in the damascus room, we see how syrian man lived and entertained. we wonder about today's uprising there. the met has laid out all of this, and more, not as an ode to relinlon but a secular panorama. to walk through this islamic treasure trove is to experience all and a sense of relief, herein highs a thousand years of beauty. that's our program for this week. joining us next week when condoleezza joins me. watch "world news" with david muir tonight. for all of the latest headlines