tv This Week With George Stephanopoulos ABC October 22, 2012 12:35am-1:35am EDT
good morning and welcome to "this week." two weeks to go. >> four more years! >> when i become president -- >> after that ferocious second debate. >> not true, governor romney. you're the last person to get tough on china. >> the race is close, combative and completely up for grabs and now as the candidates make closing arguments, their biggest guns out. >> our big questions. did obama's comeback debate put him back in this race? >> what will to be final twist that determines this race? our headliners. chicago mayor and former white house chief of staff, rahm emanuel. marco rubio of florida. plus insight and analysis from our powerroundtable.
matthew dowd, ralph reed, van jones, debber wasserman schultz. and we say farewell to governor mcgovern. hello again. early this morning, we learned that george mcgovern, the first senator to oppose the vietnam war, has passed away at the age of 90. we'll remember him later in the show. but we begin with the race to the white house. more signs this mor romney's first debate bounce still has staying power. let's begin with mayor rahm
emanuel. you're in florida this morning. polls show mitt romney ahead. i want to show you this politics electoral map, mitt romney has gone ahead for the first time right now. are you worried that this race is slipping away? >> no, i think that it's a very tight race, a competitive race, in the sense that it's coming down to a few states and a few votes and it's a clear choice between the candidates. one candidates who wampbts to take us back to the policies that led us to the near-collapse of the recession and the president who believes by investing in the american people and the middle class that's the best way to grow the economy. george, everybody always knew that this was a tight race and that it will come down to a few states. every vote counts in these key battle ground states. >> since the second debate, governor romney has been out on the stump saying that president
obama has no agenda for a second term. take a look. >> don't you think that it's time for him to finally put together a vision of what he would do in the next four years if he were elected. american people had expected that the president of the united states would be able to describe what he's going to do in the next four years, but he can't. >> he seems to be getting some traction with that argument, lay out exactly what president obama would do in a second term. >> sure. george it's pretty clear, i make two points here, one, after a decade of war, both in afghanistan and iraq, the most important thing that we have to do now is bring american troops home and battle for future and strength america at home. that's the most important point to be made and that battle means doing what has done from president clinton to president obama, investing in our roads and bridges to make we have the 21st century economy built on
the 21st century foundation. and then third, investing in the new technology and the understoodmental research. making sure we have tax fairness where the middle class aren't taking the brunt of the tax system. the most important thing right now for a second term is to do what has done work in the past. investing in america. if you go to the policies -- here's the thing, there's a contrast here. we have the fact. romney wantses to do george bush's policies. barack obama has a built policies built on the same premise that president clinton had investing in america. it's people and economics. >> what you want is more of what we had the last four years. >> no, it's exactly -- first of all, when the president walked
into the oval office, we were losing on average 800,000 jobs a month, the economy was shrinking about 8%. that was handed frauf the bush economic policies. since that time, steady progr s progress. the banking system was near-collapse, people now get car loans, student loans. you have 150,000 jobs created. we're also doing major research and development both in medical area, science and technology. we have to keep that edge. we also have to invest in the basic infrastructure of this country to move our products, roads, airports and bridges, rail, runways, roads, we have to upgrade that. that's how you move an economy guard. the truth is, romney wants to follow a set of policies,
george, that we have seen the result where the middle class lose, and for the first time in the decade have lost their standard of live zblg let's talk about foreign -- >> those are the policies and it's a clear choice of moving forward and or going back. >> let's talk about foreign policy. some republican members of congress have been pressing the administration to be more forthcoming of what was known of the security forces in benghazi. the american people deserve nothing less than a full explanation from this administration about these events including why the repeated warnings about a worsening security situation apparently had been ignored. who rejected the request for
more security and why? >> george, first of all, i have been fortunate in my life to work on both sides of pennsylvania avenue and the president of the united states has ordered an investigation of what happened, who's responsibility and bring them to justice just like he did osama bin laden and the leadership of al qaeda. that's what you have to do in the oval office. you also have an oversight responsibility. with that responsibility comes responsibility. what he did by releases names in that entire document put people at risk in libya and people around the world will now know that you're at risk if you cooperate with the united states. that office, that chairmanship of that committee comes with responsibility. you can't act reckless with it. we have a foreign policy issue. it will be handled. people who do this will be brought to justice. so we never see it again. but the idea from day one have
been politicized this event in my view is absolutely reckless. this is a time for the united states to come together, figure out what happened, found out who did which the commander in chief has to demand and seek justice. >> finally, mayor, the "new york times" is reporting this morning that the iran has agreed in principal to direct talks. . the white house says that there's no deal. do you believe that iran is ready now for direct talks or is this a stalling policy? >> george, that's a good question. i want to take one step back. when the president walked into the oval office, on the issue of iran trying to acquire and develop nuclear weapons, the united states was isolated from the rest of the world on iran. 3 1/2 years later, the tables
have been turned. iran is isolated from the rest of the world. that was steadied, determined, dogged leadership, setting out a course. we know for a fact even when some questioned the course, not only organized the rest of the world to isolate iran, we have put in place and the president has put in place, withering, very tough sanctions that are not only having economic impacts. we have seen the data. in fact, the economy is shrinking not dproug. and it's having a political impact. >> now is the time for direct talks? >> but -- that's not for me to say. i don't have all of the information. but i do know this, but 3 1/2 years ago, we as a country, the world was criticizeding us on iran. today, the world is criticizing iran on its attempt to acquire nuclear weapons. that's a direct change.
the tables have been turned. the result of that is because of the steady leadership and of course the president in building a coalition, forcing now a set of sanctions that they wouldn't have considered 3 1/2 years ago. i will say this, the most important part of that foreign policy debate tomorrow will be, i think the most important thing that we can do as a country on our phone policy is strengthen our economy here at home, our leadership abroad comes from a strong economy. >> i'm sure you're right. mayor emanuel, thank you very much for your time. let's go to florida senator marco rubio, what's your response to the number one issue right now is investing more in america? >> well, that sounds like a lot of spending. we want to grow the economy.
the most startling thing that has happen, the president has completely given up on outlining any sort of agenda for the future. what do the next four years? mayor talked about spending a lot of money. i get that. that's what he's done the last four years. they'll spend money on roads and bridges. we did that one time, the stimulus. i didn't grow the economy. what about the tax code? what about regulations? what are we going to do about the impact that obama care is having? the small businesses that are moving people to part-time status to avoid the impact that the health care law is going to have on them. it's startling that the president two weeks from election, has given up on an outline to govern this country for the next four years. >> i received this e-mail
yesterday from your republican governor, he said that florida continues to move in the right direction, he said jobs created. unemployment down. isn't your governor making president's case in florida? >> no. we have a state government here with a balanced budget. a legislative branch that works with the governor's office. we do have progress in florida despite the dysfunction in washington. a president that understood how the economy grows. that's why it's so disheartening. one thing that's holding back our economy from growing and prospering is the lack of certainty for the future and the president's unwillingness to offer a plan for the next four years is only making that worse. >> but the economy is growing in florida? >> it's growing in florida because of these measures that have been taken by tallahassee
and our state government. imagine if we had a tax code that was predictable, stable and affordable, we're going to bring these runaway regulations under control, imagine if obama care was repealed, you would have dynamic growth. in florida and in other states. >> since the second debate, president obama is pushing hard on the issue of trust, voters shouldn't believe governor romney because he's shifting positions and he came up with a term romnesia. >> if you keep refusing to say whether or not you'll sign a bill, you might have romnesia. let your employer deny you contraceptive care, you might have a case of romnesia. >> your response? >> that fires up his base.
for the rest of americans who are trying to make up their vote, that's very cute, mr. president, be what are you going to do for the future? my kid is graduating college they may ask him, he can't find a job, what is your plan? where is the president's plan to save medicare? where is the president's plan on taxes and energy? why isn't he talking about those things? >> does governor romney support the fair pay act or not? >> boy, senator rubio, go ahead. >> i think that anyone -- i think that anyone who is working out there and making a living zif you're the most qualified person for the job, you should get paid as the male counterpart. just because they call a piece of legislation an equal pay bill doesn't make it so.
much of this legislation is nothing but an effort to help trial lawyers collect their fees. here's what will increase pay equity in the work force -- >> boy, senator. >> hiring the most qualified. >> senator, i apologize. we're having technical difficulties. before you go, it appears you can still hear me, the issue on iran, that report in "new york times" does governor romney believe that the u.s. should sit down with iran. >> governor romney had said that arms should be the last. i will say this, i think so much of our relationship with iran under this president was defined early in his administration when
folks took to the street in that green revolution. that set a tone where now iran thinks they can go harder and faster than they could go. >> senator rubio, thank you a lot for your time. i apologize again for those technical difficulties. we'll be back with our powerhouse roundtable in just 930 seconds. it's something you're born with. and inspires the things you choose to do. you do what you do... because it matters. at hp we don't just believe in the power of technology. we believe in the power of people when technology works for you. to dream. to create. to work. if you're going to do something. make it matter.
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we're back with our roundtable. george will is off today. we're joined by matthew dowd, van jones, great va van susteren of fox news, welcome back. ralph reed and debbie wasserman schultz. let's talk about what has changed since tuesday's debate. you gave the win to president obama so did karl rove. mitt romney still has the momentum. >> if you look at what happened before the first debate, then the first debate then the second debate. romney stopped any momentum that president had. what the president did by showing up this time with some energy and some force, that he actually stopped that momentum that romney had and gained some enthusiasm back which is why i
think we see the race today basically a slight advantage for the president today, a slight advantage. >> you would still say a slight advantage? >> very slight advantage. the debate changed enthusiasm. >> i think if you look at the cnn flash poll, did it affect your vote? 25% said for romney. 25% for obama. no net change out of the second debate. t 9% of the voters said that the first debate changed their mind. that 9% broke 70% for romney only 18% for obama. the biggest swing in an election coming out of a first debate and obama didn't really change that. >> chairman, even the null cnn poll out this morning showed a
tie. >> early voting like ohio, iowa and absentee balloting across the country including my home state of florida, the proof is in the actual ballots cast. the battleground states that are most key, we're welt ahead, the president is well ahead in terms of turnout and from our democratic voters from where we were in 2008. in ohio and iowa. and in florida specifically, republicans far outpace us in absentee requests. we have closed the gap. >> well ahead on election day. >> and we will be. >> greta, it was clear how little respect they have for each other. >> i actually, lot of men liked the debate. they like the fighting. a lot of women didn't like it. i don't think we learned a
anything particularly new. i thought it was disappointing for the american people. >> couple of things, obviously the first debate did more for romney than the second debate did for obama. obama had two jobs to do and he did them both. he had to stop the momentum. now we're back tied. the other thing that he had to do was to get the base back exchanged. people were proud to stand up and fact-check. >> matt, no question that obama got the democrats engaged again on tuesday night. the flip and the surge among some women voters to mitt romney? >> that's the main -- two-thirds of all swing voters in this country are women. 54% of the people what are going
to vote are women. women by and large are going to decide this election just like -- >> as they should. as they should. >> but i think the interesting thing the pattern is so familiar to 2004. president bush had a six-point lead. the in the following two debates he didn't win them but got back into them. this is all about the base. >> is that comforting news to you? >> the state of florida, the incumbent has won every election since 1984 when they won florida. so the bottom line with women, though, specifically, women
aren't going to based decisions on job creation, economic choices, making sure that we can't to focus on rebuilding our econy for the middle class out. making sure when it comes to women's health we have a president that has our backs. the contrast between these two choices couldn't be more clear. romney would take us backwards and romney don't want that. >> i worked on that '04 campaign, too, those final four weeks, you didn't have two-thirds of women and children in poverty. 600,000 more women out of work than the day he took office. total of 9.7 million women either out of work or giving up looking. or working part-time because they can't find full-time work. 70% say they're going to vote on pocketbook issues. that's not a good issue mix for
obama going into the final 16 days. >> the good thing about women voter they're pretty tlib ra tif. they know what the economy looked like before the 2004 and after the 2004 election. when you got to clean up that mess, sometimes it takes a while to clean up. >> i think women may think time's up. four years. whether that's fair or not, he's had four years and he can't saying what was so horrible. but, i think that's the problem, though. >> three years to turn it around. >> let her answer it. >> it's very telling. mitt romney on a point-blank question, refused to answer whether he referred to equal pay equal work. >> that binders thing, i know that the democratic party is
room nating. women have heard so much worse. women have heard so much worse than binders full of women. it's insulting to women. women care about jobs and economic. >> women on the course of their lifetime, because we earn 70 cents for every dollar a man makes -- >> i'm with you on that equal pay. it's that binders comment. the binders comment was silly. >> it's been against the wall to pay a woman less for the same work since -- let me finish. since the equal pay act was passed in 1973. the leadbetter act was passed, signed into law. romney said that he has no plans to revisit it. >> we have to take a break.
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i have my beautiful wife ann. he has bill clinton. >> sometimes it feels like this race has dragged on forever. paul ryan reminds me that we have only been running for 2:50. >> i feel really well rested after the nice, long nap i had in the first debate. >> little comic relief from the tuesday-night tension. we're back with the roundtable. the other big debate coming up tomorrow night, foreign policy the focus. i would expect tomorrow night, we'll see a little less ferocity. another issue benghazi, it created a moment between president obama and romney tuesday night. >> you said in the rose garden the day after the attack, it was terror.
>> please proceed, governor. >> it took the president 14 days before he called the attack in benghazi a terror act. >> greta van susteren. stepping in to help the president. >> think she helped romney. i actually think she helped governor romney, because, 15, 16 topics they discussed that night, governor romney's job was to put the spotlight on libya. what happened because candy crowley was clumsy in how she handled it, the entire diskigs right now is about libya. candy, in an unusual, bizarre way put the spotlight -- >> you agree with her? >> absolutely not. i think that benghazi discussion
and libya discussion was the president's best moment of the debate and mitt romney's worst moment in this debate. what candy did was laudable. the truth becomes a casualty. we're supposed to make accusations back and forth to each other and nobody's supposed not correct. what candy crowley did, in the course of this, mitt romney doesn't want to be talking about libya. mitt romney wants to be talking about the economy. in growing into this debate, the president has a big advantage. >> governor romney's campaign doesn't seem to agree with this. >> the reality is, he'll talk about the economy i'm quite confident on monday night. the reason why is because we know from ronald reagan winning the cold war without firing a shot, with partners like pope
john paul ii and margaret thatcher and cole and others, what made that possible was a strong u.s. economy, the creation of 23 million jobs, the creation of $16 trillion in assets in the private sector is what enable to fund the defense spending. >> isn't this benghazi a winning issue for governor romney. >> i agree with matthew that it's not going to decide the election. if you look at the keys that decide incumbent elections gdp growth flat. high unemployment. low consumer confidence. one of the things that trips a incumbent feet is a foreign policy or war. >> where i agree with ralph, republicans are certainly trying
to make it appear there's foreign policy crisis. one thing that's also clear what mitt romney has doing is continuing his dukes of hazzard tour. before we knew that our ambassador was killed, he tried to politicize it. come together as a country, make sure we focus like president obama made sure we did, get to the bottom through an investigation of what happened, make sure we bring the attackers to justice -- >> let me press you on one issue, what the president didn't answer on tuesday, why the request for additional security was rejected? >> it's how he's handled it afterwards. >> well, look, we have a focus on libya right now which we've
got to get to the bottom of that investigation, that's what the investigation is for. what's troubling, george, more politicalization from the republicans in congress, 166 pages of sensitive department of state documents that exposed the libyan officials that we were working with -- >> george. >> let me finish. to try to get the bottom of how this happened. the republicans are just relishing the opportunity to politicize an attack on the united states that we know that the president deemed a terror attack the next day and that we need to be focused on polling together. >> i don't think we should be unfair to the state department. this whole idea of why security wasn't given. the state department wanted to protect every single citizen in all of these embassies. it's a lot easier in a hind
sight, we should have answered it differently. the thing that i don't understand, why won't the president just be straight? tell us what's going on. instead of this bizarre thing over two weeks -- >> i want to bring this to van jones, hasn't the white house been transparent? >> not at all. >> let me finish. the talking points -- >> the president could easily address the nation. the president has the information. the president hasn't done this. all of these narratives they're not telling. >> look, over the weekend, it came out that susan rice was actually on -- using information that was given to her by intelligence. this is a fluid situation. let me tell you why the republicans keep attacking on that, president obama is a towering figure on foreign policy, someone with a nobel
peace prize and he killed osama bin laden. to be a towering figure, his policy on iran, look at his policy there, number one, you can have t strategy go on your way, number two, reckless strategy or number two, get the whole world on your side, romney has doubled-down -- let me finish. romney has double-downed. obama has pulled the world together. they're taking the death of an american hero, i knew ambassador stevens, okay, and he's a hero to a lot of people. his approach brought the best out in the libyan people. when he died the libyan people -- >> wait, van. >> let me finish. the libyan people came out and brought the best in him. they said that this is wrong. >> george, this is what i think was wrong in this system that we
have today in which there is no pause button and no time for thoughtfulness on both sides. somebody says something, we automatically throw something at them. they have bad intentions or they're evil. they're no point in time where we can sit back and calmly say, on both sides of the aisle, to put this benghazi thing in context, i worked for president bush, we had a president and an administration for years made an argument for years about weapons of mass destruction. this is not -- this wasn't two weeks, this was months and months of a conversation where we never got the right answer to this. today -- >> the point is our intelligence gathering is bad. >> this compound, this consulate was attacked in april, it was attacked again in june. the cables make it clear that
there was a security vacuum that al qaeda and other islamic extremist groups were moving in. the british had closed their consulate. the red cross pulled out. the state department pulled out two security units in august and then denied additional security when it was requested. in terms of him being a towering figure, syria is in flames. iran according to -- let me finish. iran according to one independent estimate, four months away from having enough enriched uranium to have a nuclear weapon. >> this is unbelievable. the romney campaign and the republicans' reckless chest bumping has to stop. we have been through shredding our diplomatic reputation across the globe.
we had a go it alone strategy. >> we have 32 ally and let me finish, please. a go it alone strategy. >> go it alone with 32 allies. >> go into a war with iraq with faulty intelligence. when it comes to romney's foreign policy, whether it's talking about his policy in iran, if he thinks that we should go to war with iran, he should say so. diplomacy. >> but diplomacy. this is a problem. we have to be practical. dip lo masy cost money. we give money -- the discussion tomorrow should be on the economy from governor romney's perspective.
we still have to be able to afford it. diplomacy. >> i respect people from south florida, when i go home, they're not telling me, please, push president obama to attack iran. they're glad. >> let's get something straight. i'm not advocating war. i'm not advocating that we should do anything -- what i'm saying we can talk about war and diplomacy all we want, but we still need to be able to afford >> it one more discussion before -- >> how his own policy would be different. >> i'm calling a halt to this right now. i want to get to one more issue. such a confusing political issue. matthew dowd, you were the first
i think to write back in june that this has set up to perhaps a situation where mitt romney wins the popular vote but loses the electoral college we're back to 2000 all over again. >> the probability has risen each day and each year. what's developed in this country, used to have an electoral advantage that the republicans had. today, if mitt romney could win this race by 1 million votes and loses the electoral college, states like ohio, virginia, idaho, have moved toward -- i have said, this isn't necessarily good for the country. but very possible. >> you mentioned the battleground states there. i want to show a couple of
electoral maps that bear that out. obama's checkmate map. if he wins those three upper midwest states, if romney sweeps the board, you see it right there, president obama ekes out a four-point win which is why governor romney spending so much time on wisconsin. if you flip it around, even if it then president obama is able to hold on to one of the batt battleground likes nevada, romney's able to win 271-267. ohio becomes the path to. presidency for romney. he's further behind in wisconsin. >> no republican has been elected president without carrying the state of ohio since the republican party was founded in 1852. i would say thatonstitutes a
pattern. and the reality is, even though it's arit metically possible for him to win, it's hard. it's arit metically possible. the truth is, what's happening in ohio, my view is, the in-state polls are a lagging indicator. today in the real clear politics, obama is ahead of two. well within the margin of error. in the three most recent polls, they're effectively tied. let me tell where you where we're heading, we're going back to the way campaigns used to be won, who gets people to the polls. lot of these states not just one or two, will be decided 3,000,
5,000, 10,000 votes. >> that's why president obama invested from day one, hasn't left these battleground states from the 2008 campaign. with door knocks, phone calls and social media outreach. what our advantage will be, is because president obama rescued the automobile industry. 850,000 jobs in ohio tied to the automobile industry. on trade, mitt romney said, no, we shouldn't -- we shouldn't actually sanction china for dumping tires. president obama said yes we should. >> but polls are tightening in ohio. >> yes, they are. i agree with to mr. reed on this point. people need to take that very seriously. the other thing is, the manufacturing jobs are beginning to grow again in america for the
first time and ohio has benefited from that. there are 125,000 clean-energy jobs. 125,000 jobs right there in ohio and mitt romney wants to get rid of them. you'll pay a cost for having been on the wrong side of the auto bailout jobs that are growing. the ground game it will be tight. it will be even tighter than 2004. >> are you prepared for recounts? >> i hope i get south florida again this time. >> we can all be in columbus. cincinnati. >> i'm going to tell you what's going to happen, that band of 28 counties that heavily catholic they'll come out in the wiggest numbers that you'll ever see. >> they'll have to. thank you very much. we want to come back in just a
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candor rather than deception and manipulation. >> tonight, george mcgovern was propelled to the debate candidate in 1972. he got defeated so badly by richard nixon back in 1972. >> and he had a special place in his heart for women, he was the first presidential candidate to nominate and select a chair of the democratic national committee, a woman, he also was the first candidate for president who said, we should have women on the supreme court and run for vice president. yeah a generation of women. >> to me, they had a ticket with sergeant shriver, the most idealist ticket that has ever run. but i think that mcgovern thing is a teaching moment. you can lose. but still basically carry the day. without george mcgovern we would
never had jimmy carter and bill clinton. you can lose with a moral voice carry on. >> there have been two campaigns, presidential campaigns, in the postworld war ii period that changed the trajectory. goldwater carried 7 states in 9 1964. but changing the direction of the republican party. as matthew said, paving the way for reagan. carrying only one state was a yale law student bill clinton. the legacy of goldwater and mcgovern changed the direction of american politics. >> what congresswoman talked about what he did for women and democrats. let's not forget he did for the world. he flew 73 bombing flights in world war ii. he did so much by flying --
>> not only that, his in his time after the senate in 1980, did run for president one more time but continued his work against world hunger. >> and alcoholism in later years of his life. >> i think, you know, he's been vindicated. that's the one thing that he said. >> i don't think he needed to be vindicate zbld vindicates in terms of that humiliating defeat. you go on and you serve 30 more years, you do as much good for the world when you're not in office as when you're in office, he means a lot not just to democrats. >> somebody can lose, basically in the end win because of what their message and the moral clarity that he spoke with. >> we all remember him well. thank you all very much for the great roundtable. for all of you at home, ralph
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