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we can monitor them, theess we will be able to. that's the single most important asset we have. some officials say we don't know all of what he has, we don't want him in the hands of the russians. whatever message it would send, he's gotten the president of the united states to make some changes. but the justice department has given no indication a deal is in the works. >> some pushing for it. thanks. now to the exclusive interview with lon snowden. the family's lawyer, thank you for joining us. some officials believe that a deal may be in the united states' interest. do you think your son is open to it? >> i'm not open it. that's what i'll share with my son. >> not open to it. >> not open to it. what i would like is for this to be vetted in open court for the american people to have all of the facts. what i have seen is political theater.
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i was disappointed in the president's press conference. i believe that's driven by his clear understanding that the american people are unhappy with what they've learned and more is forthcoming. what he suggested is superficial. we can go over that point by point if you would like, but a deal -- the only deal will be true justice. you know, justice should be the goal of our government. and it's also the goal of a civil society. >> those are the words of james madison. but i could make these points, george. number one, we have a date for visiting moscow. >> you're going to moscow. >> we have visas, we have a date which we won't disclose because of the frenzy. >> it's imminent? >> very soon. and we intend to visit with edward and suggest criminal defense attorneys who have experience? espionage act prosecutions, only ten in 100 years. we think it's important to go
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back to what president obama said about him not being a patriot. it was the voice of the american revolution, thomas payne who said it was someone who saves his country from his government. we heard about the alleged disasters that would ensue because of what edward has done. back to the bradley manning case, at the damage phase, the united states conceded not one person has been injured and impaired because of of what he disclosed. >> what was your reaction when you heard the president he's not a patriot? >> again, he's put in a tough spot. there's many questions that should have been asked that were not. i would have liked to see them ask about the dea special operations, and the treatment of whistle blowers. but if he's a patriot or others like peter king who says he's a traitor, he has spoken the truth. he sacrificed more than the president of the united states or peter king have ever in their political careers and their american lives. how they choose to characterize
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him is not -- >> you're not open to a deal, but it does sound like you're going to encourage your son to come back and face trial. >> i can add, because i wrote a letter with lon to the attorney general of the united states says we would like to discuss conditions to make it permissible. >> no gag order, he would choose the venue. >> at a venue that was impartial because history of eastern virginia being a graveyard for defendants. they were subjects for discussion with non-circumvention clauses in there. understand, we can't dictate what the department does. >> as a father, you want your son to come home. >> as a father, i want him to come home if i believe that the justice system we should be afforded is going to be plead. if you consider the statements by the leaders in congress, they
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are irresponsible and inconsistent with the justice. they have poisoned the well in terms of a jury pool. where my son chooses to live the rest of his life is his decision. but i would like for him to be able to come back to the u.s. whether he's going to live here, and face this. it's clear that the american people regardless of the laws -- >> it does appear he broke the law. >> that's simply irresponsible to suggest before a trial someone has broken the law. may well be that what he stloezed is protected by the first amendment. the president conceded the irregular -- >> other avenues -- >> let's go that. mr. snowden should have gone to the congress oversight committees. they have gone on record, dianne feinstein, guilty of treason. they knew for seven years what was going on and refused to disclose it to the american people. the best was some cryptic
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statements. if they knew what was going on, they would be stunned. he is supposed to go to them? that's implausible. they were the ones responsible for the secrecy. >> i want to add to this. in terms of the president made the statement that the president had enacted whistle blower laws that protected contractors like my son edward, that is absolutely untrue. either the president is being miss led by his advisers or miss leading the american people -- >> the whistle blower -- >> absolutely not. we should go through that. hypothetically, let's imagine he said there's a problem -- he got on an airline in honolulu and flew to washington, d.c., and gets an audience with peter king or dianne feinstein, how do we think he would have been received if he had a private audience. we have seen how they reacted,
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they spin the truth, he would have been buried and we would have never known the truth. >> i know you haven't been in direct contact with your son, but what do you know about his condition right now? >> i'll say that having spoken with his russian attorney, he said he's safe. he obviously is exhausted. but he's now needing a period of time where he can recoup his energy level and reflect on what he wishes to do going forward. that's from his attorney. we hope to meet with him very soon, with edward in the next weeks. >> good luck. thank you. >> thank you. >> thank you. >> and the chairs of the foreign affairs committee, robert menendez, and republican ed royce. senator, let me begin with you, you heard this from lon snowden, and his attorney, they don't believe that ed snowden could have gotten a fair hearing had he come to congress. >> i don't think that's true. i as a father appreciate the
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vigorous defense that mr. snowden is providing for his son. but in my view, ed snowden is a fugitive in a courtroom, not in asylum in russia. i believe he would have got an fair hearing. all the time issues related to the government by whistle blowers and bring them to attention is the action. he didn't need to undermine america's national security to pursue whatever his conscious led him to do. there's a process by which he could have pursued his interest in a way that doesn't undermine the national security of the united states. when we have our sources and methods known by our enemies, we undermine the national security of the united states. i would say it's easy since we have not, thank god, had an attack on american soil since september 11th, to minimize the
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threat, but it's real. and the terrorists only have to get lucky once. we have to do it right 100% of the time. >> and a key member of your committee from california who's chair of the subcommittee dealing with russia seems to have sympathy with edward snowden. this is him yesterday on c-span. >> i thought he was being loyal to the rest of us by letting the american people know that the government was getting out of hand. accepting him for asylum, i think, was not as hostile an act as it's being poor trade. >> do you agree with those views on edward snowden and russia? >> no, i do not. and we have to keep in mind here that the conundrum we're in is one in which al-qaeda is learning how we track them, and second, you know, with this new master bomb-maker that they've used in yemen to develop this new strategy, the underwear
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bomber, for example, his attempted attack was at the behest -- at the -- with the support of this master bomb-maker. this master bomb-maker now is teaching his trade, we happen to know, to a lot of other bomb-makers in yemen, and they're going on the internet with this capability, and with the hope of bringing into the united states agents to carry out these types of attacks. attacks which are undetectable. and so we're in the process of trying to monitor what al-qaeda is doing overseas and here in the united states in order to try to replicate that particular attempted attack and to expand it demonstrably. so when you have someone who is giving out the means and methods in which we're tracking al-qaeda, it is a problem for the united states. and secondarily, when we're talking about the former head of the kgb, president putin in
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russia, this is not been an alley. as you know, the administration has tried to engage him on several issues such as missile defense, and has worked with him on trade issues. and we have not seen any reciprocation from the russians because he has a sense of hostility to the west and the united states. >> so, senator, how do we get the relationship with russia back on track? the president says there's no bad relations between he and president putin personally, but they are at odds on every major issue. >> well, look, you know, russia should be looking towards how do they achieve a prosperous future for the citizens versus going back to an authoritarian past. we seem to be more invested in the effort to create a relationship with russia that can be productive for both countries more than putin is.
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it seems to me that as we've tried to restart this relationship several times, maybe now is a moment to pause and think about how we're going to move forward with russia. they are unresponsive to us as it relates to the tragedies that are going on in syria. they are unresponsive to us as it relates to further nuclear arms reduction. they are unresponsive when they violate the rights of gay and lesbians including foreign visitors who would come to russia and be arrested. they are unresponsive when they stop the adoptions by americans of russian children. i look at that and think it's time to pause and think about the relationship and how to pursue it in a way to promote the national security and interest of the united states. >> do you think that ed snowden would get a fair trial in the united states? >> i think he could get a fair trial in the united states. and i think that the concern here is that in -- in going to china and going to russia and in
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particular with respect to the authorities that he's meeting with in russia, i think this further compounds the problem for u.s. intelligence. and i think we have existing whistle blower capabilities here in the united states. on a regular basis, whistle blowers come forward, give information to congress, and we attempt to address those issues. going to china and going to russia was not the solution to the problem. it compounds our difficulties in the united states with respect to al-qaeda. >> congressman, senator, thank you for your time. >> thank you. roundtable up next. joaquin castro and louis gohmert on obamacare and immigration. and stumping for hillary, and donald trump, his interview on this week. >> ted cruz, born in canada. is he eligible to be president of the united states? >> well, if he was born in canada, perhaps not. is being streamed.f music
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every august, the iowa state fear features pork tenderloins, deep-pride twinkies, a whole bunch of ambitious politician with the white house in their sights. it's three years away, but it's never too early. they are across the hawk i know eye state this morning. jonathan karl is there. >> reporter: good morning. donald trump was here, he gave a speech saying that passing immigration would be a death wish for the american people. he may run, but that has some people raising their eyebrows and some rolling their eyes. could you be taken seriously? >> i have built a great company with a tremendous net worth. and that's what the country needs. >> reporter: what do you say that a possible trump candidacy is a joke. it's a publicity stunt, to get
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more attention for yourself? >> interestingly, i filed applications last time, and i filed my net worth. i'm a private person, nobody knows. people were shocked at the number. now it's bigger than it was. how strong the company is, how much cash. it's a beautiful company. it's a company like this country should look. >> reporter: what's the number, what are you worth now? >> probably over $10 billion. >> reporter: if you were to run for president, how much would you be willing to spend? >> if i made a decision, i'd spend a lot. >> reporter: a modern presidential campaign would be half a billion dollars. >> it could. >> reporter: that much? >> if i did it, i would spend what it took. >> reporter: give me the first word that pops to mind. marco rubio. >> immigration. >> reporter: rand pauld. >> interesting. >> reporter: paul ryan. >> i really like him a lot. but tough look at what he says
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about the social security and the medicare and medicaid. it's a tough road. let's say medicare. >> reporter: chris christie. >> wonderful person. he's a wonderful guy. >> reporter: ted cruz. >> obamacare. he really is fighting on trying stop this absolute disaster for the united states called obamacare. >> reporter: donald trump. >> smart. >> reporter: you said a lot of things over the years that people say make you not serious. one of the big things is on the birth certificates. >> why does that make me not serious? i think that resonated with a lot of people. >> reporter: but you don't question he was borne in the united states, do you? >> i have no idea. >> reporter: even at this point? >> was there a birth certific e certificate? you tell me. you don't know either. you're a smart guy. >> reporter: i'm pretty
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convinced. >> you said pretty. >> reporter: totally convinced. >> you said you're pretty convinced. let's see what happens over time, but it's not my issue, jonathan. my issue right now is much different. wait a minute -- my issue is economic. our country is being ripped apart by china and many other countries. >> reporter: but on this issue -- >> you said you're pretty sure. that's not acceptable. you have to be -- >> reporter: i'm 100% sure. >> i don't think you are. >> reporter: let me it ask yo this, ted cruz, born in canada. >> if so, he's not. >> reporter: he was definitely born in canada. >> you'll have to ask him this. >> reporter: his mother was an american citizen. >> i heard somebody told me he was born in canada. that's his thing. >> reporter: you played golf with john boehner the other day. >> i did. >> reporter: the big question is will house republicans pass a
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funding bill for the government that includes funding for obamacare. should they? >> well, that is a good question. i do think this, the budget should be funded. but i don't think that obama care should be funded. and the republicans are in many ways their own worst enemy. i happen to be a republican. if they get together and were y unified, i think they could do damage to get rid of obamacare which is good for the country. >> reporter: you know hillary clinton. >> i do. >> reporter: how will she be to beat? >> she will be tough. >> reporter: what do they need to do to beat her or whatever the candidate is? >> they need to pick the right candidate. mitt romney, everything should have been good. didn't resonate. wonderful guy, didn't resonate. they have to pick the right candidate. >> reporter: the iowa caucus are two and a half years away, but
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this place is crawling with possible presidential candidates. we have seen ted cruz, donald trump, rick santorum, and even claire mccaskill was out here on behalf of hillary clinton. if you're here in iowa, looks like the 2016 presidential campaign is already well underway. >> thanks very much. more from the powerhouse roundtable. joined by george will, donna brazile, louis gohmert, republican, and joaquin castro, democrat. setting aside donald trump, it appears there's an intensity of activity in iowa, particularly on the republican side. we saw claire mccaskill out for hillary this weekend. it's in part because it's so wide open in the gop. >> both parties will be nominating someone who's not president. that opens it up a lot. the democratic field, they have a weak bench, and be careful what they wish for to clear the field and have no competition.
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the last time almost uncontested was '56. he probably would have been beaten anyway, but he was beaten. competition is good for parties. the republican party is going to get their fill of it. >> no question, but there does not appear to be that much competition with hillary clinton freezing the field. >> i don't think so. martin oh maly made noise he's interested, joe biden, and kristen gillibrand, elizabeth warren, a lot of buzz, and governor cuomo from new york. and joe biden, he will call me this afternoon and remind me. it's too early to handicap the race, if hillary clinton gets into the race, there will be a coronation of her because there are so many democrats who last time around supported her, who i think are anxious to see her out there again p. >> i read your brother heading
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to iowa as well. you accompanying him? >> he's not running for anything. he's headed out to the harkin steak fry in september. >> let me bring this back to you, because it seems there's a brewing potential civil war inside the republican party. sara palin last night said she was on team rand paul versus chris christie. >> there's a lot of competition out there. with regard to the democratic side, i seem to remember in 2007, this was hillary's nomination. obama may run just to be ready in 2016. the point being you never know. i think that'srue where we are with the republicans. i don't think you could say. i would never have predicted that somebody named mccain would end up being the nominee after 2007 when the story was he was so low he had to carry his own bags.
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i don't think you should underestimate the power iowa has to attract people to the state fair of the fried butter. it is absolutely incredible. >> you have an excellent point. >> republicans have a lot of experience with civil war, 1912, roosevelt and taft. 1964, rockefellers and goldwater. what republicans need to bear in mind is one number, 284. they have been democratic in six consecutive elections. if they hold the base, and they look for 28 electoral votes, they'll find them. >> i think what's most problematic for republicans is they seem to be taken by the tea party more extreme base, so the candidates that are most appealing right now are the ted cruzs, the rand pauls, those folks. if they nominate them, it's 1964
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all over again. that's not majority of americans. >> is that your fear? >> not really. at the tea party, i see people from all races, ages, genders. they're paying income tax. i don't think you should rule out district of columbia voting for republican if we'll pass my bill that ends the unfairness for d.c. in their income tax. they don't have a full voting member of congress. >> d.c. goes -- >> so get rid of their income tax. the gohmert bill. >> the pew survey says 84% of tea party voters vote in primaries. they come out to vote. that's going to matter. particularly in iowa with a crowded republican field. and rand paul starts with his father's consistency, that's a plurality. >> but the tea party is like a -- a controlled wildfire that is now burning the republican party, especially the republican party establishment.
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so i don't know if the tea party is good for the republican party in 2016 given the fact that it has narrowed the base of the party. >> and it's igniting an immediate confrontation. >> and i think that's why, george, i really think they have one or two more election cycles where they can continue like this. otherwise the infighting is getting so severe that i don't see how you sustain that. >> let's talk about the one coming right now. september 30th, government runs out of funding. rand paul and ted cruz, other roms, marco rubio, saying unless obamacare is defunded, we shouldn't approve government funding. president obama took that on friday. >> my friends in the other party have made the idea of preventing these people from getting health care their holy grail. their number one priority. the one unifying principle. >> those are the only things that seemed to get the president
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riled up on friday. it's an ideological fixation. how does it play out? do you believe that faction is going to succeed in pushing the leaders to hold the line? >> that's a false narrative. he says we're trying to keep people from getting health care. that's a lie. we're not trying to keep anybody from getting health care. whether or not they have insurance does not prevent people from getting health care. >> want to take that on? >> sure. the fact is you have millions and millions of americans who can't afford health insurance. it's helping people get health insurance. republican haves offered no solutions or plans. >> we have -- >> but at this point, it's just ideology. it's just extreme ideology. >> does the government shut down? >> the congressman says that's a lie. mark twain, the difference between a lie and a cat is a cat only has nine lives. the fact is the president has
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the power, particularly when supported as this one is by the mainstream media to set the narrative. the narrative will be that the republicans have chosen to cause chaos. it's a bad idea. >> to go down the line. >> you can not govern the country from one-half of the three branchs of government. >> speaker boehner agrees with that. mitt romney was warning republicans of being accused of shutting down the government. >> mitt romney, romneycare is obamacare. they're not what i call distant relatives, maybe kisses cousins. but he supported john mccain and others that this is a foolish idea to shut it down. and other members of the previous shutdowns, gingrich and others are speaks out. >> what's going to happen? >> i don't know.
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even though we're one-half of the legislating body from which no spending occurs unless we agree, that is a position that allows us to force others to adhere to the constitution. we don't have to wait for the supreme court. we can force that. and we can say you're going to abide bit constitution whether the supreme court gets it wrong or right, we have the ability to force respect for the law, and some of us think that we ought to force them to do that. >> do you think you have the votes to defund obamacare? >> not right now. we'll see after august after people go home. as far as obamacare, though, when the president himself says it's not ready, so i'm giving this break to all big business. what about the poor guy making $14,000? he's going to pay extra income tax if he cannot afford to pay the several thousand dolla for an obamacare policy. who's caring about him? a lot of us do, but not this
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president because he didn't let the individual mandate have a year off. that only goes to big business. that's not fair. >> well, i would say, first of all, it's the law of the land. the congress passed it, the president signed it. and a conservative supreme court upheld it. it's the law of the land -- >> delay a year for just rewrite and say we're going to delay it for a year. >> the problem is the house republicans, with all due respect, i'm a former hill staffer, not a member. they cannot agree on spending. just before the recess, they could not pass a transportation hub bill. i don't understand the republican party these days. they have set these budgetary goals and afraid to meet them. too extreme. >> we're not afraid to meet them. and you have to remember, and i think lyndon johnson said it, if two agree on everything, one is unnecessary. it's good to have a good disagreement. that's how we got to the constitution -- >> lots of disagreements over
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immigration reform. we heard donald trump say passing it would be death for the republican party. and president obama made this claim. >> i'm absolutely confident if the bill was on the floor of the house, it would pass. the problem is internal republican caucus politics. >> which means that the senate bill, unlikely to reach the floor you have the house of representatives. >> and if it did, it wouldn't pass. >> it's unconstitutional, it goes back. >> what republicans are hearing, the new york times which wants the republican party to go away, saying that if only they would pass immigration reform, it would prosper. there's a dissonance there republicans don't like. i'm much more sympathetic to immigration reform than most republicans are, but how many of your members, probably none,
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face electoral defeat if they oppose immigration reform. >> i don't know. but i think you would be shocked how many -- i think most everybody in our party would vote for an immigration reform bill once they can be sure the boarder is secure. but until -- >> including legalization for the undocumented in the country? >> i think we could get an agreement on all of those things. but if you pass a dream act without the border being secured, you're going to have to have more and more because they will continue to come. george, you had an editorial we had a net zero, but you still continue -- our border control are saying we're getting three to five times the numbers coming while we talk about legalization. secure the border and we get the bill passed. >> the number of apprehensions, the crossings is at a 40-year low. we have double the number of border patrol agents than 2004 when president bush was in
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office. the border has never been more secure than now. >> in 1916 it was. >> right now the plan is to take immigration reform in pieces. take border security first and then consider other aspects. can that work? is there a way to get comprehensive reform? >> as democrats we want a comprehensive bill. if you had a bill for each piece, you could send it to conference, have a final conference bill and have each chamber pass it. but that's not the intention of the republicans in the house. >> and picking and cheering, do you support the kids act? i guess it's the dream act. >> i support securing the border, and until that, with i don't think we ought to be talking about who gets legalized. as we do it as determined bit border states, not homeland security. your new, brilliant, one of my favorite democrats -- >> here comes the but.
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>> when you hear comprehensive, republican or democrat, it means we have a lot of bad laws to pass, but can't do it unless we have a big bill. >> george, you get the last word. >> furthermore, the well has been poisoned bit president insisting on his unilateral anti-constitutional power to rewrite laws and not enforce laws he doesn't like. no one on the republican side believes that anything in the immigration bill will be binding on an unleashed president. >> leave it there. great discussion. the billionaire founder of amazon buys the washington post. how did bezos change the news business? that's coming up next. "the wash post. how did bezos change the news business? that's coming up next. " how did bezos change the news business? that's coming up next.
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bezos of amazon. what it temps us about the future of news. our panel weighs in next.
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amazon founder jeff bezos send a thunder bolt through the media world with the surprise purchase of the washington post. what it means for that world and what os may do. rebecca jarvis has background. >> reporter: the paper that brought down nixon and breaking news for a century made news. after 80 years, the graham family told the washington post for $250 million to amazon founder and ceo jeff bezos. >> we will become a place that does its traditional jobs but tries things. and i hope it will succeed. >> reporter: it won't be easy. circulation is down 40% in the last decade.
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bezos told employees in order to turn it around, we will need to experiment. which is exactly how amazon got started. today it's worth more than $130 billion. surpassing expectations as he told sin they ya mcfadden in 2009. >> did you have any idea how it was going to work? >> no, the business plan was very modest compared to what happened. >> reporter: bezos didn't alone. other billionaires have jumped into the print business. what does he do next? it's innovate or die. >> it's dangerous not to evolve. if you want to ensure your extinction, cease to evolve. >> reporter: thr "this week," rebecca jarvis. >> you have been in the washington post for 40 years? and david, for ten years. and bloomberg west tv, and arianna huffington, editor and
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chief of the huffington post. your selling price was higher than the washington post just a couple of years ago. >> yes, it's interesting how everything has changed. but it's interesting how much faster you can create a brand now. obviously the washington post is a historic, legendary media brand. but look at brands that were created, you know, in the last few years. twitter, 2006, instagram, 2010, huffington post, 2005. so that changes dramatically the media landscape. but i think this is wonderful news. >> and everything arianna mentioned, tumblr, instagram, they went for higher prices than the washington post. >> the boston globe was bought for $190 billion in 1993, and sold for $70 million. they gave it away. he's earned a place in the
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pantheon of american business with sears and gaits, he's a genius. but maybe not a magician. i think he bought it for the sheer intellectual challenge of it. that's a big one. >> i want to get to that question, but first about donald graham. one of the old media families. they loved the washington post. clearly didn't to want let it go. you wrote about his final speech to the post and said this was kind of a tragedy. >> i think his heart was broke ton give it up. but the post was diminishing year by year, losing money and circulation. it was losing and there was no answer. >> it was avoidable or not? >> even if he made different mos, made it more national than local, embraced politico in some way and made it his own, i don't know. i don't know if that would have saved it. new york is very different from washington. the new york times is very
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different from the washington post. and the new york times has ough challenges as it is. here's what interests me most, though, jeff bezos is a great innovator in technology. that's terrific. he has vastly more money than the grahams, which is important to invest in the newspaper. but will he run a newspaper that puts pressure on power. that's what interests us most. that's not a value, that's a universal among anyone, much less -- >> some have suggested the on, perhaps he's buying protection for his business. >> precisely. >> you cover jeff bezos. you've covered -- and as i talk about his motives, george will says it's the intellectual challenge. >> you talk to people who know jeff bezos, the first thing out of everyone's mouth is he's smart. it's interesting in a world of smart people, hedge fund managers, entrepreneurs and technology. he's smart and thoughtful. one of the interesting things is
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he built it on books. of all the things he could have sold, he close books. he chose a distributor in seattle that helped them take on barnes and noebls. they are struggling. similarly, he has a love of the written word. one of the interesting anecdotes that i have picked up from former executives and board members, he starts the meeting with study hall. if you're an executive, and you want to bring a project, launch a multi-billion dollar business, bring the plan to the corporate immediate meting, board meeting, single-spaced, everyone sits and reads a multi-page memo in silence and discusses it. he loves the written word and the language. i think that's interesting. >> that is fascinating. >> tell us about the washington post. >> and he's a distribution master.
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somebody who can actually come up with different distribution channels for great journalism. and to david's point, somebody who really can use the internet to keep the feet of the powerful to the fire more effectively because the internet allows you to do that constantly. >> one of the ways the internet is doing it, and those who have succeeded in the new media tend to have, george will, a more clear ideological bent. arianna, the huffington post, and others on the road, and they seem to succeed when they have a political agenda rather than the general agenda. >> to its extent his political philosophy is a techie libertariani libertarianism. for gay marriage, against taxation on people like him which is perfectly sensible in my point of view. it seems to me his ideology is less important than the challenge of seeing if he can
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make this go. when gooutenberg started with the printed word is not over because of the digital. >> but it's changing dramatically. >> and it would be incredibly important if he can establish a beyond left and right position for the washington post. just look at the things we are not covering at the moment because they are divided in the absolute left-right way. the war on drugs, today in the new york times, what's happening not california prison system. we're having a major incarceration drug war crisis. >> we know about them we are covering these things. we invest in it. we put in the investment, it's a place like the washington post or the new york times or the new yorker as well. now, mike bloomberg is a great innovator, but i have to say i've heard straight from the horses mouth, from mayor bloomberg that he detests the new york times. >> does he want to buy it and change it?
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>> he might want to do the latter. but it's not up for sale as they have made clear for the moment. but bloomberg thinks it's an opinion on the front page. he loathes it that may be because he's covered day after day. >> i wouldn't imagine a new york mayor thought differently. >> no one was the richest mayor and has the capacity to buy it. being a newspaper proprietor is the exception. so jeff bezos may in fact be a wizard in many ways. but it remains to be seen if he has the same values as the grahams. and if you trust don graham as i learned to in ten years at the washington post, i never had to trust him more than in his judgment to revive the washington post. >> cory -- >> but one quick thing, it's not just about strengthening
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journalism. but look at news to reinvent it and redefine it to move beyond what is covering what is corrupt and broken to cover what is working. with his foundation, he's done an amazing job. >> but all the journalism experiments, they are trying cover what is working and don't end up creating a profit. you guys had to sell patch covering local news because it doesn't work. >> our coverage of what is working has been one of the most profitable. the public and readers love it, advertisers love it. but it's critical when you have a more and more dysfunctional government to focus on what com startups are doing and help scale it. he can help do that. >> in five years, what does the washington post look like based on what you know about jeff bezos? >> to throw it back to the earlier premise, taking aside his work online.
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if you expand the conversation wider, what's worked in sports and celebrity coverage. there are passionate sites that cover culture and sports that haven't had to take a left or rit view. it's not just old media in a new world. i think what you can expect from bezos is investment. the way they're investing in amazon is incredible. they have spent more in the last six months investing than any year, they are spending to build up and invest. but expectation, you would expect him as an owner to push hard to find new ways to develop media that's appropriate for the new age that maybe the graham family couldn't figure out. don graham sits on the board of facebook. he is not a rub when it comes to technology. >> didn't invest enough. george will. >> hard on bookstores, not on books. people are reading a lot. in 400 newspapers i have no idea how many people read my column
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on the web, i'd like to find out. maybe he can help me. >> great discussion, everyone. thank you so much. and the senator who turned his legislative work into an action-packed thriller.
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time now for the sunday spotlight. shining on byron dorgan. the former senator from north dakota caught us by surprise when he started penning spy novels after retiring from the senate. his latest thriller is based on intel he picked up in congress. >> it's the terror plot in the movie live free or die hard. >> they just hit the entire financial sector. >> and the top of the real-life u.s. threat list. >> the next pearl harbor could be a cyber attack. and now a new book by former
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senator byron dorgan. >> it might be cyber terror. i decided to write a thriller. >> the one-time author of proportions bills is churning out action thrillers. this is the second. when you were writing the bills, they didn't read like thrillers. >> you were in politics, now you write fiction, same thing. not quite. >> it traces a global conspiracy engined by iran and venezuela, using a hacker in amsterdam to shut down the u.s. power grid. with the action colliding in north dakota. >> it's a novel, but it relates to some really serious issues in the country. if we were to lose power for a week, a month, could ruin the american economy. >> he isn't the first senator to dabble in fiction writing, it includes former senator bob graham, and current senators
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mckulski and boxer. you will not find deep human insight in a novel written by a senator. you need to sit in on a committee hearing to know that. can we find deep human insight from a senator? >> i hope so. fiction is a different genre for me, but i hope you can't sleep after reading it, with and stop reading it until you get to sleep, and you can't sleep. >> for "this week," jonathan karl. >> thanks to byron dorgan for that. now we honor our fellow american who is serve and sacrifice. this week the pentagon released the name ofne soldier who was killed in afghanistan. thank you for spending part of your sunday with us. check out "world news" with david muir tonight, and i'll see you tomorrow on "gma." [ male announcer ] now you can get a kindle fire hd,
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