tv This Week With George Stephanopoulos ABC October 4, 2015 12:00pm-1:00pm EDT
>> announcer: starting right now on abc's "this week" -- one-on-one with donald trump. surprising new revelations from the republican front-runner. what would he do about guns in america? how does he respond to critics of his tax plan. and what would make him quick the race. we're face to face with donald trump. hillary's bad week. donors defecting. her poll numbers dropping. can she turn her campaign around? and, gun debate firestorm. this morning, the clash over how to keep america safe heats up.
stephanopoulos begins now. good morning, a lot to get to this week. reflect on the latest mass shooting in america. and that tragedy the first topic i addressed with donald trump. brand-new polls out this morning show him still leading the gop field. and we met in his offices high above central park, just hours after a clearly angry president obama promised to politicize the issue of gun violence. >> somehow this has become routine. the reporting is routine. my response here, at this podium, ends up being routine. the conversation in the aftermath of it. we have become numb to this. >> well, he's a great divider.
second amendment folks and the nonsecond amendment folks and he >> do you think he was going be a divider? >> i think. i think he was being a divider. people with mental illness are going to slip through the cracks. no matter how you do it -- if you go back 2,000 years and go forward 2 million years, and it may not even be politically correct to say -- >> but every country has mentally-ill people. not every country has mass shootings as frequently as we do. >> what's interesting, you look at places, like chicago, has the toughest gun laws in the united states. other places have gun laws that are very tough. they do generally speaking worse than anybody else. if you look at some of these places, chicago is a good example. but go to baltimore, go to various cities where they have very, very tough gun laws, they do terribly. >> so, what would you do about it? you sound pretty passive about it.
this is taking place whether it's this type of crime or other kriemgs crimes. it's go out a million years from now, you're going to have problems. and even if you have a very tough system, you're going to have people that slip through the cracks. and it's a very sad situation and you have to have great vigilance. you have to show great vigilance, watch, and security and everything else. no matter what you do, you're going to have problems. that's the way the world goes. >> that's your answer? >> george, i can say, we're going to do this and that and it's never going to happen. you have sick people in this country and throughout the world and you're always going to have difficulties. >> but you're mr. fix it. >> i know. i think i'll do a fabulous job. no matter what you do, you're going to have difficulties. people are going to slip through the cracks.
>> so no new laws, no new gun laws? >> guns don't have anything to do with it, this is about mental illness. difficulties, no matter how tight you run it. even if you had great education, having to do with mental community, it's still -- you're going to have people that slip through the cracks. these people are more than these people want to slip through the cracks. so, you're going to have problems. it's unfortunate. >> let's talk about your tax plan, everybody gets a tax cut. more and more americans will pay nothing at all. but the conservative tax fund says it will increase the deficit $10 trillion. >> what do they know? george, what do they know? >> they run the numbers. >> they have been doing this stuff for years. they're so off. their past projections, they're so off. >> it's not going to increase
>> well, if it works the way i want it to work, it's not, jobs. the next three, four weeks, cutting. cutting is a big part of my plan. hole? >> we're going to come up with very substantial cuts. and the economy is going to grow exponentially. >> you also said that this tex plan is going to cost you a fortune, how do you get there? >> well, tell you what, i have carried interest like a lot of other people do, and carried interest is a wonderful thing but it's unfair. and rich people -- >> that's $20 billion over 10 years for everyone who has it. >> but that's psychologically so important. if the economy grows, everybody makes it up. the job producers make it up. the economy has to grow. by the way, we have to bring back jobs, also part of my plan. >> according to your financial disclosure, you made $250 million. >> 605. 605 million. >> 605.
the top rate goes from 40% to about 25%. capital gains comes down from 23 to 20. that's a huge -- that's tens of millions of savings. >> everybody's going to save according to my plan. george, that money is going back into other things. >> but you're going to get a tax cut? >> i don't know, because i have very big deductions. frankly, some are ridiculous. you're entitled to deductions. i don't know if i am. i think probably i'll end up paying more. if you look at all of the kinds of deductions that people are allowed to take that you're not going to be taking anymore, including carried interest, that's just one of them, i think i probably don't do as well. >> where your family would make potentially hundreds of millions of dollars, eliminating the estate tax? >> the estate tax is a different thing. the estate tax is a very, very horrible weapon which has destroyed many families, in particular farms and things where they make an income and
they have a certain value and they have to go out and borrow money. they put mortgage on their farms. george, if you have a business, and let's say it's a business that's not very liquid, and people have to go out and borrow against the business, you're having travesty. and the other thing is, it's a double-taxation. the tax has already been paid. you been hearing this argument for many years. >> you're saying it's wrong? >> no, i'm saying it's a double-taxation. the death tax is an unfair tax because the tax has already been paid. that you're going to make out well under your tax plan? >> i don't know. if the economy is good, if the economy is great, everybody makes out well. >> any closer to releasing your tabs returns? >> i'm thinking about it. when we find out the true story on hillary's e-mails. >> that's been your line. >> i'm very honest on my tax returns. >> what is your tax rate? >> i'm not going to say.
point. but i will say this, if this country properly run where the money wasn't in shambles where the deals they make aren't the iran deal, where we're giving them millions of dollars and the deal is a disaster, where everything we do is bad, some people. if our country were properly run, i would feel much better about it. i'd fight like hell to pay as little as possible. i used to watch romney. i used to watch him and try to get his number as high as possible. it's not the way it works. i fight because that's a very big expense, and one of the problems, and one of the reasons i fight so hard because i hate the way our country is spending my money and everybody else's money. >> let's talk about foreign policy. we have seen russia go heavy
two days of air strikes. yesterday, hillary clinton and today john kasich, both said we should establish a no-fly zone in syria, what do you want to do? >> i don't think so. i want to sit back and see what happens. you know russia got bogged down when it was the soviet union in afghanistan. they thought it would be quick and easy. i think it's not going to be great for them. let's look, they got bogged down. it destroyed the soviet union, they essentially wentback rupt. it destroyed the soviet union. afghanistan. now they're going into syria, there are so many traps, there are so many problems, when i heard they were going in to fight isis, great, let them. >> they're not bombing isis? >> they're not bombing them yet. they want them going into russia. the other thing i look at is assad, he's a bad guy. we're supporting rebels. they talk about the syria free rebels.
i spoke to a general who's very, you know, much on it, he said, mr. trump, we have no idea who these people are, they may be worse than assad. we're going to spend this effort, we'll probably have to go against iran now, we're making iran rich and powerful. iran is coming in now with the ground troops. they have $150 billion, all of a sudden, they're rich. the sanctions are gone, everything's gone. one of the most incompetent things i have ever seen. so, now, we have this, and we're going fight for people we don't even know who they are. now, if you look at libya and gadhafi, you look at iraq with saddam hussein, i mean, do you think we're better off now? because i personally don't. >> we still have this huge refugee situation. a few weeks back you said we would have to take some refugees in on humanitarian ground.
notice. you said, if i win, they're going back. >> totally packed house at my speech. it was a beautiful thing to see. i gave a very detailed explanation. i'm going to give it to you right now. when i heard that -- i saw the migration, the migration was strange to me, it seems like so many men. children. physically strong people. i'm saying, where are all of the women and the children? by the way, excuse me -- lot of people have said the same thing. when i heard we were going to take 3,000, then i heard we were going to take in 10,000, okay, now i heard we want to take in 200,000, we don't know where they're coming from, we don't know who they are. they could be isis, it could be one of the great trojan horses ever since the original, we don't know where these people, they have no documentation, they
have no paperwork, no way to prove where they're coming from. we're going to take in 200,000 having no idea where they come from. i said i would absolutely not do it. i have a bigger heart than you do, okay, believe me, i have a very big heart and i understand the whole thing with migration, it's a horrible thing, should have never happened in the first place. we screwed up. this country screwed up the middle east so badly with breaking up iraq, we have so destabilized the middle east, it is a mess. so, i said there's no way they come in. if they do come in, if i win for president, they're going out. i tell them up front. if i win. i may not win and may not get the nomination. i'm leading big in every poll. a lot of things happen. if i win, they're going back. we're not going to take responsibility. now, are they isis? probably not.
>> even can -- even the kids? >> many of them -- look, they shouldn't take them in. europe should take some -- you have the gulf states, you have saudi arabia, you have bahrain. you have qatar, some of the richest countries, they're not taking any and they're right there. >> two final questions. your wife melania, lot of people saw her first time in "people" magazine, talk about what kind of a first lady she would be. we have seen different models, michelle obama, laura bush. >> so, she's a very beautiful woman both inside and out. she has got a tremendous heart. she feels so strongly about the women's health issues. in fact, she knows how strongly i feel about that and she's always pushing me on women's health issues. when jeb bush said he's not going to fund women's health issues, she couldn't believe me. and she told me about it when i got home. he then said he misspoke. she couldn't believe it.
so would ivanka. they said dad, you have such respect for women and they say, you cherish women. you have such respect for women, you got to speak more about it, because nobody cares more for women than you. i have just amazing admiration and respect for women. i think melania would be unbelievable for women and the country. >> finally, you talked about the polls, you're still in the lead, ratings breaking records every time you go on television. and this led dan henninger, a wall street journal columnist yesterday, said you're a master of timing. this is as good as it gets for you. quote, mr. trump should retire to a skybox and enjoy what he has wrought. >> well, i have had a lot of fun doing this. i guess it's more fun when you see the kind of polls i'm getting.
lot of that is descent. lot of people are unhappy with politicians. you have covered me for a long time. but i'm really enjoying what i'm doing. and i think we're having a very big impact. and one thing i'll say, a lot of people are watching that would not be watching. when you look at the debates, when you look at cnn, 23 million people. you look at fox, with 24-plus million people. so i think i'm doing a great service. >> but you also said you're not a masochist, if the polls do start to turn around -- do you get out -- >> if i felt that was doing badly, if i felt that the polls were, and i think polls are reflective -- i mean, right now i love polls, i'm winning everything. in florida, i'm killing the governor and the senator from florida. i mean, it's been amazing. texas, winning. winning everything. winning every state and winning
if that changed and that went in a different direction, and if i thought i wasn't going to win, i would certainly want to get out. i'm not a masochist. i'm not somebody who needs to do this for other reasons. if i thought that i was doing poorly i would think i would want to do that. right now, i'm loving it. i'm having a lot of fun. and, you know, the most important thing, it's not a question of like, it's a question -- i want to make america great again. we can make it great again, george. i think we could make it better than ever before. i have never said that before. i think we could make it better than ever before. that's what i'm most excited about, not polls. i'm excited about the endgame. the endgame is making this country great again. >> our thanks to donald trump. much more ahead on "this week." will anything change after the latest mass shooting? chris christie is here live. after another tough week for
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there's been another mass shooting in america. we may never understand what leads anybody to terrorize their fellow human beings like this. such violence, such evil is senseless. we have endured too many of these tragedies in the past few years. and each time i learn the news, i react not as a president but as anybody else would, as a parent.
like this too many times. communities like this have had to endure tragedies like this too many times. i hope and pray that i don't have to come out again during my tenure as president to offer my condolences to families under these circumstances. >> that's president obama speaking out for the 15th time. 15 mass shootings under his watch. greta van susteren from fox news, matt bai from yahoo! news, republican tom cole and democrat keith ellison. greta, you saw the president so angry and so frustrated on thursday, he said this is political choice that we allow this to happen every few months in america. >> it's now become a political issue. everybody's on the same page. every single -- >> everybody's on the same page? >> every single person wants this stops.
this violence, every single person. so some call for gun control. i think that's in some ways unrealistic. when i practiced law in district of columbia, very strict gun laws. and every single one of my clients could get a gun. all of the guns are out there. they're going. coming in through black markets. so, we're not being very realistic, putting -- changing the laws is going to change anything. the guns are there. if you really want to regulate, you got to be smarter, maybe regulate ammunition so people can't use their guns. part of the problem is the politicians on both sides of the aisle, is that they take sides. they're not looking for solutions. everybody wants to fund-raise off of this. the anti-gun want to fund-raise off of this and the pro-gun want to fund-raise off of this. >> any change coming out of this? >> you know, i hope the change's
my friend murphy -- he has a great saying, the problem is not what's in their hands it's what in their heads. we haven't taken advantage of the billion of dollars we spend -- >> how do you answer the country -- every single country in the world has crazy people? >> that's right. that's right. absolutely. we're leading the world on these -- in these gun deaths. we're not doing anything about it. because we can't stop every gun death, we can't stop any, that's not true. we can do background checks. 90% of americans believe we can. we can eliminate these high-capacity magazines that a lot of people have allowed to spray a whole theater. we should let the cdc give us statistics on how bad this is. >> what do you do, there are so many guns out there. there's such a huge black market. >> greta, because they come
so, we got to have -- we got to do more than just city by city. this is something where we need a national policy and we've got to treat it like it is a health issue, a disease. >> matt, there does seem to be a ritual that we all participate in after this gun violence, we see the sides break down, we give it the coverage, we talk about the shooter, we focus on the victims, nothing changes. >> nothing changes, partly because we're having the wrong debate. this is the wrong debate to me. there is this debate about gun safety, regulating ammunition. gun crime. there are things that you can do around that. gun lobbies have blocked it. this is a very specific thing. this is what we saw in arizona, in connecticut, what we saw this week, it is a clearly mentally ill person that has access to a lot of weapons, and for some reason gets to keep those
around them feel powerless to stop it or in some kind of denial. and in this case, when we talk about civil liberties post-9/11, we have had a rebous debate about civil liberties. this comes down to an issue of civil liberties. how do you balance it? >> you saw the shooter's father lamenting yesterday how he could possibly have 14 guns. congressman -- >> he's not a very attentive father. >> if you're going to focus on mental health, what should be done? >> legislation in congress right now, and we should begin in republicans and democrats don't have to fight about mental health. they can agree on mental health. you know, i would argue picking up ten murphys, move ing that forward in a bipartisan way -- i think we should move ahead on mental health. move ahead with it on the idea
of the problem with that. and throwing up our hands and saying that this is just fate and it's in the heart of human depravity and it will be never fixed. >> i think we're underestimating the fact that there's at lot of evil out there. there's a lot of evil. >> this is an american problem. >> i'm saying that this is also, there's an awful lot of evil. look, i mean -- it's glorified in our culture. you turn on the tv, video games, the big hero is coming in with the assault weapon. >> call it evil, call it mental health. when somebody signals that have violent intentions and they have 15 guns and access to 15 guns, and nobody takes them away, you have a problem, there ought to be a federal policy, effort, to fix that problem. >> that's the last word for now. we'll come back in a little bit.
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there's record rainfall in the east coast this morning. you see the dangerous flooding in south carolina, one of six states declaring a state of emergency, including new jersey. joined now by that state's governor, and presidential candidate, chris christie. are you ready for this one and what's the biggest lesson you take away from that experience? >> we were ready. we're lucky we dodged the bullet this time. the lesson you learn, george,
you cannot prepare enough and you can not soon enough. you need to get provisions in place. you need to evacuation plans set. you need to get yourself loss of power and major governmental function. we learned that from sandy. debate, so tragic coming out of oregon. you just heard donald trump say, sometimes people fall through the cracks and he also questioned whether tough gun laws make a difference. your state has some of the toughest gun laws and one of the lowest murder rates, is there a correlation? >> i'm very concerned about the mental health side of this. i put forward a proposal to the legislature six weeks ago, let's do some tough things on mental health. let's make involuntary commitment of people who speak violently easier for doctors. >> so, you would do that? >> i would.
say, the laws are so difficult and so murky, let's work on those kind of things. let's remember something else, in many of the places around this country where they have the toughest gun laws, they have one of the highest crime rates. it's the exception to violence in america. violence in america, in chicago, the murder rate, up 18%. new york, up 11%. some of to most aggressive gun laws in cities like that. let's enforce the law. there's lawlessness out there that we're not enforcing the law. as a former prosecutor i believe we should. >> but there's no question that the pace of mass shootings is accelerating, if it's not the guns, then what is it? what is the answer? what is so unique about america? >> it's a really complex problem. i think it's about the mental health issues, george. that's why i put the proposals forward. here's the bad thing about the politics about it. i heard the congressman saying
it. i put it forward twice. my democratic legislature in new jersey has ignored it, why, because it doesn't create headlines. so, they don't want to deal with it. they tried to override a veto of a bill i put forward when my substitute bill was to get tough on mental health. maybe this morning, new jersey will see what happened in oregon and get tougher on the mental health issues to help these folks. we don't want to involuntary commit them to put them away, we want to protect others and get them the help they need. >> let's talk about syria, vladimir putin going in aggressively this week, you heard donald trump says, maybe it's okay. putin go in and do that fight. you heard president obama also this week, making a mistake and it could fall into a quagmire. are think right about that? if you were president what would you do? >> just when you think it can't get worse it does. and just when you think this foreign policy can't cost more to the american people it does.
vladimir putin and we don't need to be worried about whether he's in quagmire. after 40 years, we allowed russia back in the middle east. now, who did they partner with? iran. america has to re-establish its presence in the area. we should be the ones leading the fight on isis. by the way, we know putin is not fighting isis. putin is there to prop up assad. >> no-fly zone? >> absolutely. i tell you this, there's now 300,000 nearly dead in syria, because of assad. and now putin is going in, and teaming with the iranians, to prop up assad. only barack obama and hillary clinton could mess up this foreign policy that badly. >> showing a little progress in the campaign, you had a good performance in the last debate. new polls out this morning showed you picked up points. in both iowa and new hampshire.
interesting trendline. asking republican voters what they want. back in march, split evenly. between experience and a proven record and new ideas and a different approach. look at what's happened since the campaign began, skyrocketing for new ideas and a different approach. what does that tell you? can you meet that test that you have been running on your experience and record? >> i haven't been running on my experience and my record. george, in fact, i'm the most detailed person with future details. we have given five major policy speeches that led out specifically what we would do. you know what, the people out there in the audience, they don't care what i have done, they care about what i'm going to do for them going forward as president of the united states. for the 45-year-old unemployed construction worker out there, he wants to know, how are we going to improve this economy? how are we going to keep his
those are all about those things. campaigns are about tomorrow not about yesterday. my campaign is about tomorrow and a great america. tomorrow, that's why we have led out the plans. >> you heard donald trump, do you think he's in for the long haul? >> who knows. who would have thought scott walk er walker would have dropped out? these campaigns, as you know, are very personal in nature as well as being a national event. every candidate has to make that decision for themselves. if they have had enough, are they willing to continue to push forward? people know this about me, i say what i mean and i mean what i say every day. of all the people on that stage, i guarantee you, george, no one has been more tested than me. >> two different campaigns going on. the outsiders, donald trump, ben carson and carly fiorina. and jeb bush, marco rubio, john kasich who all
served in government, what sets you apart in that second group. >> what sets me apart, i have worked in one of hostile areas you could ever work as a republican, in the state of new jersey, i have not only gotten things done, i have vetoed more than 400 bills. and every one of those vetoes has been sustained. >> you're not running for speaker? >> no. i would rather jump off the brooklyn bridge than be in congress. and secondly, two weeks ago, i have vetoed more tax increases than any governor in america history and because of that, and every one of those vetoes being sustained, taxes are better. what people want in washington is someone who knows how to do two things at once. also, to be able to get people in the room, okay, let's get something done. that's what i'll do. that's what i have done in new jersey. i'm only the guy with a democratic legislature that has brought people together.
everybody thought hillary clinton was unbeatable. right? but we put together a benghazi committee, what are her numbers today? because she's untrustable. >> today, here, i'm announcing my intention to run for the house speaker. we were entrusted by the american people with the largest majority of republicans have ever had since babe ruth was swinging the baseball bat. but they didn't send us here to per pet watt the status quo. >> chris christie not running for speaker. two candidates right there, kevin mccarthy and jason chaffetz. you're a supporter of kevin mccarthy. he seemed to be saying that the benghazi committee was working because it was driving down
>> probably not his most artful moment as a speaker -- >> not speaker yet. >> i don't think it's going to change what happens in terms of what people decide. i just think -- >> aren't you concerned about it? your republican colleagues? >> i don't think so. i think some people are using it as an opening to get in the race. that's all right. this is politics. i don't think it changes how anybody vote. >> matt, you stated that kevin mccarthy is running for a different job than speakers used to run for, the parties in the house have become opposition. >> the waves keep sweeping in. instead of a speaker traditionally literally speaking for the house, you have speakers who are essentially at the pinnacle of resistance. they seem to be resistant leader. there's conflict. if you're a guy like john boehner or kevin mccarthy, you find yourself in a position
an agenda or roll one back. it's almost impossible to do the job and to keep it. >> greta, as another government shutdown could be looming in december. >> oh, yes. president obama said he doesn't intend to sign any more short-terming spending bills. let me just talk about that kevin mccarthy statement for a second, if you step back for a second, if you look at the chairman gaudi of the benghazi committee, the chairman is a straight arrow, so far -- i think he would disagree with kevin mccarthy about it being political. he's requested documents and asked questions about people. kevin mccarthy's statement was not a good one. you have to look at how the chairman has conducted the committee so far. >> you're shaking your head. from the beginning, $4.5 million we spent on this thing.
let's shut it down. we got to shut it down now. it is improper. and if one member were to use their office to campaign, to drive somebody else's numbers down from the congressional office, that would be a violation -- >> it's not going to get shut down -- >> the american people should demand it be shut down right now. >> in order to get to the bottom of it, you have to have all of the documents, and the state department hasn't provided all of the documents. >> a select committee from the very beginning. yes, it is. >> no it's not. produced and found important information. we wouldn't have known about the server if not for this. it has been systemically and properly run by the chairman. no complaints about this. >> there would be outrage that this is a fishing expedition to get people. >> congressman, there has to be transparency on all these
i don't know how the chips are going to fall either way and congressman, the chairman has the responsibility to do it right. >> matt, it gives hillary clinton a talking point when she testifies on october 22nd. and coming out of this week, she's going to need something. we have seen these incredible crowds for bernie sanders in massachusetts. 20,000 people in boston, massachusetts. does it cause you to revise your view at all on his staying power and what he could do to this race? >> not that much. about her chances. i think it's a tough race. if you're hillary clinton and i do think it's a flawed candidate and she's flawed campaign, bernie sanders' your main competition, you're having a very good day. because there's a tradition of having electable opponents who rile up the base and give them a good run for their money and can't win nationally, and i
think bernie sanders fits into that category. he's not barack obama. and i think if you're the clinton team that is -- you're always going to have a challenge, a base in rebellion at some point. if bernie sanders is the instrument for that rebellion you got to consider yourself -- >> well, here's what i think of that argument -- i like the idea that bernie sanders and hillary clinton and o'malley and biden are all competing to help out the american worker, the american family. i like that. bernie is doing good because he's talking about the bread and butter issues that people are feeling every day. hillary clinton is trying to do the same thing. the other side is competing, do you like mexicans a lot, should muslims be the president? all of this kind of crazy stuff. i think the field the competition, is a good thing. i think it will actually help hillary clinton and whoever we
end up with. >> hillary clinton, though, has a huge weapon come this debate. if she can drive it home to the american people that senator bernie sanders has been talking about this stuff for the last 30 years but has accomplished zero on it, and that's important. he hasn't accomplished anything. he's a big talker. that's a problem for bernie sanders. >> speaking to people's reality is doing something in my opinion. i mean, bernie sanders has done a tremendous service to this race by talking to what people feel. no matter who the nominee is -- >> actually delivered on anything? secretary clinton is in a far better position than bernie sanders. >> but i also think that this is a primary nominee race and the issue is to put things on the table that are important to people. people will make choices. >> i'm hanging up republicans for bernie sanders' nomination. >> if you look at the polls right now on the republican
fiorina, ben carson, one, two, three, any one of those three going to be the nominee? >> in my opinion, i don't know. i have never seen it this volatiled. the idea that those three merge into one, is very unlikely. very big difference between a ben carson supporter and a donald trump supporter and a carly fiorina supporter. donald trump has tapped into something that's real out there, which is anger at the political establishment. frustration that wash on the seems gridlocked. and you know, the guy clearly is a gifted communicator, flamboyant figure, he attracts attention. he's got a lot of skills. the real question is, who is his second choice? there's an assumption out there the other outsiders will, i find that hard to believe. i think they'll move in different directions. >> pundits said that trump would be out. it's an indictment of pundits that said trump is out.
there. up next, dangerous new it is time to deal with skyrocketing out-of-pocket costs. commentator: the 32-year-old head of a pharmaceutical company raised the price of a life-saving drug overnight by 5,000%. i'm announcing a detailed plan to crack down on these abuses. commentator: he may be lowering it after hillary clinton blasted him out of the water. her plan would limit the out-of-pocket costs that consumers have to pay. clinton: nobody in america should have to choose between buying the medicine they need and paying their rent. i'm hillary clinton, and i approve this message. new and tragic development from the war in afghanistan this morning, there you see the destruction from u.s. bombs that hit a hospital run by doctors without borders in kunduz. 19 people killed in the strike.
u.s. has apologized. president obama promising a full investigation. another blow in a week where the taliban claimed control of the that city. we're joined by two experts who served the u.s. in top foreign policy jobs. megan o'sullivan and anne-marie slaughter, president of the new american foundation and author of the new book "unfinished business." congrat lace on that. let's begin with afghanistan, you have seen these taliban advances this week, another tragic air strikes, is the united states going to have to rethink the withdrawal timetable? >> the short answer is yes, this is tragedy from kunduz. it has broader implications. it underscores what the pentagon report concluded just a few months ago, that afghanistan troops are going to struggle to maintain their positions without coalition support and that is the sort of assessment upon which we should base our withdrawal or our staying in afghanistan.
not an arbitrary political timetable. i would like to see the president keep the capabilities that the united states and afghanistan need to keep our position for 2016 and beyond. >> the president has been so reluctant to do that. >> well, i have to agree with him. this has been our longest war in afghanistan, we have had thousands of americans killed, 20,000 wounded, and hundreds of thousands of afghans and we aren't going in the end to be able to save the afghan government if they can't fight it themselves. the worst thing about this kind the worst thing about this kind kindof attack is that, it loses us the support of the afghan people and without that, the afghan government can't win and we can't win for them. >> the president this week showing great reluctance to go in a new and heavy way in syria. showing a split between you and your old boss, hillary clinton,
who's right on that? >> hillary clinton is unquestionably right on that. i have been calling for this for three years. russia is in there propping up a government that's killed hundreds of thousands of its own people and we have to actually act in a way no-fly zone will reduce the bloodshed. it will stop barrel bombs. it will stop the flow of refugees and critically it will force assad to the negotiating table. then, we can get a political solution. it will give russia something to think about. right now, russia's got open season. >> do you agree with that? >> i agree with that completely. and i would say that we need to look at this development on the part of russia beyond simply the context of this syrian conflict. for all the reasons anne-marie suggested we need more forceful action. but we need to see this move in the context of what it means in the broader region. this is about the united states in some large part. this is the most serious and direct challenge to america's
global position in decades. and the united states needs to see it in that context and it needs to see this as russia beginning move -- >> -- president said acting out of weakness. >> i don't see -- i don't agree with the assessment that i have heard from the administration that this is going to inevitably work out badly for russia. that's possible. but certainly a conclusion we can come to at this point. concluding this initiative is going to collapse disregard the response that we need. >> the president used the word quagmire? >> yes, but megan is absolutely it may be a quagmire over the long term. but over the long term this war is spilling into turkey, jordan, iraq, it's basically engulfing the middle east. we can't just stand by, we have to act in a way that gets a
>> thank you both very much. and in today's "sunday spotlight," bill o'reilly has hit the number one best-selling spot again, this time with "killing reagan." how the failed assassination attempt dramatically transformed the reagan presidency. >> reagan was on a roll. >> here you go again. >> he was elected president, he defeated jimmy carter. he's in. they love him. then he's on his back, on a gurney, he doesn't know whether he's going to live. what happens after that was kept from the american public. >> what was kept? >> reagan was profoundly physiologically, his health was affect and so his mind. the comeback that he made were startling. the things that happened in that white house were kept shrouded from the public.
everybody thought he was okay. everybody though, he's going to make it. >> and people loved seeing that? >> right. but behind the scenes, everything changed. on his good days, he was as brilliant and much smarter than the public thought he was. on the bad day, he couldn't come down from the residence. >> i remember reading the reagan letters, and over the course of the presidency, they showed a man who was still a clear, at times brilliant, writer, he seemed to be there. >> there's no disparaging, because on his good days he was all of that. but it was the bad days that people didn't know about it and there came a point in the second term where they might have removed him. baker was the chief of staff. james cannon investigated whether the president could still carry out his duties. then, that's the lynch pin of the book. the meeting, reagan came down
quiz, and if he hadn't passed it, they were going to move against him. unbelievable. >> so, what if he didn't pass it? >> they spent a lot of time on this investigation. and they compiled a lot of data about ronald reagan and his failure to lock in on iran contra and other things that were happening. and they were very concerned. they loved him. they were so relieved when he took over. i believe it was the communist thing that brought him back. >> mr. gorbachev, tear down this wall. >> i mean, he was so adamant about defeating -- >> tear down that wall. >> he had to defeat them and that gave him the motivation. >> you know, the family is not too happy with you. michael reagan on facebook, it would have been nice if o'reilly would have consulted us. who was there when our father was shot, just saying. >> michael reagan wasn't there. wasn't there. i like michael reagan. >> you love doing this, don't you? >> oh, it's great.
i'm a historian, i taught high i love history. now, i'm writing it so everybody reads it. i'm the luckiest guy in the world. >> bill o'reilly, thank you very much. >> all right, george. now, we honor our fellow americans who serve and sacrifice. in september, two service members were killed overseas supporting the fight against isis and the taliban. and that is all for us thanks for sharing part of your sunday with us. check out "world news tonight" and i'll see you tomorrow on
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