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. today the consensus winner of the republican debate, carly forney fiorina, only on "fox news sunday." problems have festered in washington too long, and the potential for this nation is being crushed. i think donald trump is a terrific entertainer. ask them to name an accomplishment of mrs. clinton. we'll go inside her campaign to see her up close and personal and watch as she trying to capitalize on her breakout performance. >> oh, that's the woman who's running for president.
controversial record. it's a "fox news sunday" exclusive. then pope francis is coming to the u.s., after a first stop in cuba. [ cheers and applause ] >> we'll have a live report from havana and preview the pope's trip to the u.s. with two catholic leaders, the archbishop of washington, cardinal wuerhl, adviser. plus our sunday panel weighs in on the u.s.-trained fighting force in syria. >> it's a small number. we're talking four or five. all right now on "fox news sunday." hello again from fox news in washington. carly fiorina not only moved up to the main stage in the latest republican debate, she dominated it. establishing herself as a top tier candidate. we'll have an exclusive interview with fiorina in a
senior national correspondent john roberts got special best hind the scenes access to the fiorina campaign the last few days as she was taking her victory lap. [ chanting ] >> in what amounts to the political blink of an eye, carly fiorina has become the new darling of the republican party. >> thank you, i will. >> so what's different since the first debate or before the first debate? in terms of the number of people who are coming out? >> the difference in the number of people is huge. i'm less of a curiosity, and more of a, you know, that's the woman who's running for president. >> in mackinaw island, michigan, fiorina was mobbed. fans who watched her debate performance angling for the chance to say they saw her, they spoke to her, they touched her. >> when you walked off that debate stage, what was going through your mind?
>> well, at a very practical level what was going through my mind is, i want to get off this stage now, i want to get out of these shoes, and i don't want to answer a single question until tomorrow morning. >> her rise among the 2016 candidates would appear meet i don'tic, but the road to get here was long and difficult. she lost a bit in california, spending much of the campaign ballotsing breast cancer. in greenville, south carolina on friday, she told me that fight gave her the courage to shoot land. >> when you face a life-threatening or a tragic situation, you lose a lot of fear fear. and so the things that might have caused you to be afraid about something, i'm not afraid. i'm really not afraid.
>> does anything scare you? >> not really. >> how do you feel when you come in when you're about to give a speech in palpitations? >> not palpitations. i feel focused, i feel excited. >> before the event i had dinner with fiorina and her traveling staff, including frank sadler, who she whimsically described a winnie the pooh character. >> i call him eeyore. eeyore is always worried. >> often misinterpreted as stern, even cold in public, she smiles, even laughs, but eeyore and the rest of the team may have a whole set of new worries. >> a lot of people will be saying unkind things. >> it won't be the first time. i led hewlett-packard during a very difficult time, and many people said unkind things. i battled cancer, i buried a child. when you go through things like
that, you really have perspective. >> it was the death of fiorina's stepdaughter that provided one of the most poignant moments of last debate. lori fiorina died in 2009 after years of drug and alcohol addiction. as she told me about a poem that lori wrote to her, she showed a side of her persona that the public has likely never seen before. >> it says basically, i don't tell you enough i love you. and at the -- when you lose someone, realize you never say it enough. >> it's a perspective that keeps her grounded through the inevitable high it is and lows
the criticism, adullation, and insults. >> live is not measured in time, it's not measured in success or wealth or all these things it's measured in. it's measured in love and moments of grace and positive contribution. >> fiorina has a big opportunity this week to demonstrate her range to a broad audience. appears on "the tonight show" with jimmy fallon on monday, then a major foreign policy address to cadets in charleston chris? >> john roberts inside the you. i sat down earlier can karl with fiorina to discuss her new moments tum and some of the issues she'll have to confront. welcome back to "fox news sunday." >> thank you, chris. thanks for having me. >> you have noted up to now more than half of republican voters
that obviously changed with the debate. so i guess the question is, how pivotal a moment is this for your campaign? >> obviously a very pivotal moment. now more people know who i am, and we know based on what's happening before this debate, as people come to know me and they understand who i am and what i've done and most importantly what i will do, they tend to support me. so the truth is we're going to stay out here working hard every single day so that people who maybe were introduced to me for the first time at that debate now get to know a little bit more about me. these are important decisions. these are serious issues. i want the american people to know as much about me as possible, actually. >> of course with greater attention does come greater scrutiny. here is what you want about the political class in the debate. >> if someone has been in the sim their whole life, they don't know house difficult it is. it's not that politicians are
bad people, it's that they've been in that system forever. >> to make your point, you say how long have we been talking about entitlement reform, but doing nothing about it, but ms. fiorina, isn't that really less about being part of the system and more about the fact there are really, you know, sizable real differences between republicans and democrats? how would you as president get their point of view, to compromise? >> there are some real sizable differences, for sure. and the way i believe to bridge differences, the way to negotiate a good deal, and a lot of politics is negotiation. i've done a lot of negotiating in my life, you start out by stating very clearly what your principles are, what you must have, what your walk-away position is. there can't be any misunderstanding about that. and then you enter into an open-minded spirit of
collaboration about everything else and try to find common ground. that's how i would work with members of congress. on the other hand there is issues about which there's broad bipartisan agreement, yet nothing gets done. tax reform doesn't happen. everybody says they want to secure the border, it doesn't happen. everything says our v.a. is a scandal, nothing changes, so there are a lot of things about agreement and nothing is happening. >> i think it's fair to say your biggest moment of the debate was when you called for the defunding of planned parenthood. here that is. >> i dare hillary clinton, barack obama to watch these tapes. watch a fully formed fetus on the table its heart beating, its legs kicking, while someone says we have to keep it alive to harvest its brain. this is about the character of our nation, and if we will not stand up and force president
obama to veto this bill, shame on us. >> first of all, do you acknowledge what every fact checker has found that, as horrific as that scene is, it was only described on the video by someone who claimed to have seen it, there is no actual footage of the incident you just mentioned? >> no, i don't accept that at all. i've seen the footage, and i find it amazing, actually, that all these supposed fact checkers in the mainstream media claim this doesn't exist. they're trying to attack the authenticity of the videotape. i haven't found a lot of people in the mainstream media who ever have watched these things. they will claim that someone watched it for us. i will continue to dare anyone to watch the videotapes. anyone who wants to challenge me first will have to prove to me they watched it. >> you wanted
ed -- 4.4 million health services involving sexual diseases and infections, 3.5 million in family planning, cancer screening and prevent. 1.1 million other women's health abortions. misforney ms. fiorina, i understand you want to end all abortions, but you're willing to cut off the funding for all those other tests? >> of course not. i'm a breast cancer survivor. i've been engaged in programs that move aggressively into neighborhoods to make sure that all women are screened. every single one of those women's health services that you just described are vital to be continued, and actually vital to be expanded. of course we should be funding those things, but i find it fascinating that democrats will never support taxpayer funding,
health center right next door to a planned parenthood that will provide all those same services and also provide women an alternative to abortion. of course those other services must be available to any woman and every woman, but that's not what this argument is about. this argument is about whether or not we as a nation are going to stand by while taxpayer money is being used to fund this kind of butchery. >> you brought up the question of taxpayer. you say that we should defund planned parenthood as part of the budget battle, which we'll get by the end of this month, even if that means we end up with a government shutdown, regardless of who is responsible for that government shutdown. carol toe bias,ed president of the national right to life, has written a column that a shutdown is a big mistake, it's more important to elect a pro-life president.
are effectively achieved if the 71% of american voters opposed to a government shutdown aren't angry at the pro-life candidates running for president. is she wrong when she says a shutdown would be a mistake? >> well, i disagree with her on this. i'll tell you why. first, something very important has changed since the last government shutdown. what has changed is the republican parties has historic majorities in the house, and we now control the majority in the senate. a lot of people worked really hard to make that change, and think expected a change based on that majority. i think people want to know what do we stand for? what does our party stand for? what do i stand for? i will stay once again, president obama can explain to the american people why it is so
fund this organization that no one denies is engaged in this kind of barbarity. >> finally i want to talk about your record as the ceo of hewlett-packard, which you know will be a big issue in the campaign. back when you ran for the senate from california in 2010, democrats ran an ad against you, which a lot of people think sank you. here its. >> announcer: fiorina tripled her salary, bought a million jets. >> i'm proud of what i did at hp. question -- why won't these same facts a 45% drop in the value of hp stock, why won't those sink you again, ma'am? >> first of all, politics is so often a fact-free zone. that ad is very misleading in
many ways, and yes, all of that will be brought up, so of course it's important to remember that i led hp during the worst technology recession in 25 years. the nasdaq, the technology-heavy stock index dropped by 80%. it took 15 years for that stock index to recover to its dot-com boom highs. >> ms. fiorina, if i may, selective. the nasdaq dropped 80% in 2003. by 2005 when you were let go, it had only dropped 23%, only half the what hmm p stock had dropped at that point. you were twice as bad in terms of the stock price as the market was in to 05. >> yes, and that technology-heavy stock index dropped again. so if you look at it over 15 years, you will see what i am describing is correct. you know, there are people who look at a stock one day at a time. i never led that way.
the job of a chief executive is to build sustain away shareholder value over time. that is what we did. the hardest thing for a chief executive to do is to tell someone that they don't have a job anymore. that's why we provided the richest severance packages in the industry, we provided counseling with employees so they could go on and find another job. when you have a big, bloated bureaucracy that costs too much, and becoming inept -- by the way, that's what we have in washington, d.c., there are some jobs that have to go away. i will say as president of the united states, 256,000 baby boomers will retire out of the federal government in the next four or five years. i will not replace a single one. finally there's a question that your rivals have brought up. that's iran. at the time you were head of hp, there was a ban on any u.s. companies doing business with iran. while you were ahead of the
sold hundreds of millions of computer equipment to iran and the s.e.c. ended up investigating hp for what it said was violation of the sanctions against iran. how do you respond to that? >> well, first, hp you need to remember was larger than each of the 50 states. it's a larger budget than any one of our 50 states and a global enterprise. so it's possible to ensure nothing wrong ever happens. the question is what do you do when you find out? >> are you saying you didn't know about it? >> three years after -- in fact the s.e.c. investigation proved that neither i nor anyone else in management knew about it, and the facts of the merit were that the european subsidiary was apparently doing business with east. that company was doing business with another company, that was doing doing business with iran.
when the company discovered this three years after i left, they cut off all ties. the s.e.c. investigated very thoroughly and concluded that no one in management was aware. at the time that company was making the sales to iran and you were the ceo of hp at the time was name hp's wholesaler of the year. so how did it be they were doing all this business with iran? the hp was called the wholesaler of the year, and you didn't know what was going on? >> the whole searer of the year you were describing was doing business with another company, that is dove business with iran. clearly that wholesaler of the year was not honest in their dealings with us, and they were not honest in dealings with this third company. that's why the dealings with this organization were cut off immediately. it is why the company cooperated with the s.e.c. in a very thorough investigation and it is
why no charges were ever filed, because it became clear that this third company was not honest or trust worthy. needs was the organization they were doing business with. it shouldn't have happened, obviously. >> ms. fiorina, we're going to have to leave it there. >> yes. okay. safe travels on the campaign trail. >> thanks, chris. up next, we'll bring in our sunday group to discuss the latest controversy involving donald trump. plus, what would you like to
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we have a problem in this country. it's called muslims. we know our current president is one. you know he's not even an american -- >> the first question -- >> but anyway, we have training camps growing where they want to kill us. that's my question. when can we get rid of them? >> we'll be looking at a lot of things. am i morally obligated to defend the president every time somebody says bad or controversial about him? i don't think so, right? >> donald trump last night defending how he handled that question at a new hampshire town hall earlier in the week, and it's time for our sunday group.
fox news senior political analyst brit hume, "usa today" columnest kirsten powers, strategist karl rove, and charles lane with "the washington post." and hillary clinton really let him have it. here she is. >> he should have, from the beginning repudiated that kind of rhetoric, that level of hatefulness in a questioner in an audience that he was appearing before. >> brit, given that, and you can see in the recent poole, 43% of republicans say they think that mr. obama is a muslim. will this whole incident hurt donald trump or not? >> it certainly isn't going to hurt him with the hard-core supporters who are backing him now. probably because of the idea that you see reflected in the
poll you just showed. it will, however make some people look at him and say he is gaff-prone. he feeds ammunition to the other party and to his critics. if he were nominated, there would be no end to this. it may raise doubts about him, but i think the people supporting him are not going to be daunted by this. >> we asked you for questions for the panel. we got this on facebook from richard mcelrath. do you think trump-fever has finally broken? or do you anticipate he will continue to suck all the oxygen out of the race? this news cnn poll shows that trump is at 24%, fiorina now in second place at 15%. that is an 8% drop from a couple weeks ago for trump and 12% rise for fiorina from a couple weeks ago.
trump routinely calls you a total loser. >> no, new york city get it right. i'm a total, complete, incompetent jerk. get it right. >> but whatever, between the debate and the town hall incident, do you think that trump trajectory has changed at all? how do you answer richard? and how do you react? >> i think it began several weeks ago when he made his originals comments about fiorina saying look at that face, look at that face, the interview that will that will be print indeed "rolling stone." we do have some evidence in this polls that hey has peaked and begun to delivered. from a month ago at cnn he's down six. interestingly also ben carson is down five, the person who went up more than anybody else is carly fiorina, followed by marco rubio, who has gained eight points in the last month.
he's not going to disappear. let's just remember, we're at the beginning of this process. as of now in 2012, rick perry was ahead at 29.9%. we had seven more lead before it finally settled on mitt romney on february 28th of 2012. that's when the voting began in january. now it will begin in february. if we have the same kind of situation where the lead goes back and forth, it will be march or april before we set on the nominee. the race. a lot of people thought that marco rubio had a good debate. as carl mentioned, has gone up in the polls. a lot of people thought chris christie had a good debate. chuck, your sense of where this republican race is now. >> once things that's interesting about the numbers that karl just referred to, they're still showing between 40% and 50% of the republican
electorate, favoring one or the other of the nonpolitical outsider, you know, people who haven't been in office before. then you have the group, the rubio, the bush, the kasich, christie, which strike mess interesting. marco rubio has come through the debate without doing any harm and a bit of good. i think he's well positioned to be the person, if anyone who sort of rises out of the pack when the fascination with the outsiders fades, as i think it inevitably will, certainly in the case of trump. so jeb is really challenged right now. he's sort of -- he's not fitting in anywhere in particular. it seems to me that rubio is the one who is well positioned right now to pick up the pieces. >> meanwhile, there's a democratic race as well, and in
that race, kirsten, bernie sand sanders is leading routinely, routinely getting much bigger crowds. how much trouble is clinton in this and what is the latest on joe biden? >> i think people are feeling more and more that it's more likely that joe biden will get in, but not s. but the sense is he's got to do it soon. i think there was some study that if he waited until the end of december, he would forfeit half of the delegates. so he would have to get in. i think people are concerned about hillary clinton. that would be why there's this push for joe biden. 50 democrats sent this letter to biden, encouraging him to get in. sanders is very strong, but he's very strong? new hampshire and iowa, these early states, but i think a lot of people feel once he starts moving into the south, it's not as friendly a territory, much
so i think there's a question of whether he'll be able to expand that outside of these more predominantly white liberal areas. >> is the concern about clinten specifically to the e-mail scandal and the some would say the way she's handled it, or more of a general sense she's not exciting both? >> i think both. i think the e-mail issue was the turning point, first of all, the campaign and her did not handle that issue properly, and it seems, to a certain extent she's not as up to the task as people were expecting. it's a bit of a rerun of 2008, where she doesn't seem to respond to questions quickly. there seems to be an imperial attitude that she seems feels
excited. >> she spoke friday at the university of new hampshire, small room, 300 people, bernie sanders speaking there on monday, already more than 1,000 people have signed up. there's just an enthusiasm gap. we have to take a break. we'll see you all later. pope francis is in cuba. we'll have a live report from i say we go all in on the internet of things. what we're recommending
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a live look at havana's revolution square, where pope francis is celebrating a huge open-air mass. it's the pontiff's first trip to cuba before his trip to the u.s. we have this latest report. >> a sweltering morning here. this has not slowed down the faithful or the curious. they have streamed in by the tens of thousands predawn, some arriving at 3:00 a.m., people hoping to get a look at the first latin-american pope and hear this mass which is under way now. the theme of the pope's visit to cuba is mercy, mercy for the cuban people and their struggles to survive, some on 20 or $25 a month, and mercy for the church
property confiscated after the cuban revelation 50 years ago. as far as the cuban leader goss, raul castro was there at the airport to meet pope francis. he's had warm words of praise in the past for some of the pope's criticisms of the excesses of capitalism. he also took time to thank the phone for playing a key role in reestablishing relations between the u.s. and cuba. the 50-year standoff, is the logjam was broken by this pope. it will be a busy three days for this pope here on this island of 11 million people, three open-air masses before heading to washington on tuesday. it's likely at some point he will meet with theation 8-year-old fidel castro, but there are no public meetings scheduled between the pope and regime.
for a preview of the pope's next stop in the u.s., i sat down with cardinal donald wuerhl, and father tom mats rosica, an adviser to the welcome back to "fox news sunday." >> thank you. it's good to be back. >> some vatican watchers saying not only does the pope want to change the church, but the world. religious? and how much is it about policy? >> i think he's trying to make this a better place. that essentially is a religious action, bringing people to an understanding of the relationship to god and their relationship to one another. but that's going to have some political and some policy ramifications to which i don't think he will be speaking, but he will call all of us to the pastoral and spiritual reality that we have to make this a better place.
>> when you say make it a better place, he's been pretty frank and graphic about that. he has said the excesses of global capitalism are the dun of the devil, and that the reactions of climate change is we're making this planet a pile of filth. how frank do you expect him to be when he addressing congress? >> i wouldn't be surprised to hear if he hear echos of his encyclical. in that letter he points out a lot of the problems, but begins by saying we all is have to come to the table, sit around the table recognizing the problems, them. >> in that sense it will be a political speech?
>> it will be a pastoral speech, it will be an announcement i believe of what our obligations are to one another. the political ramifications are a part of anything anybody says. if he's speaking to congress there will be the expectation that policy follows on this. >> is it true that he's practicing english and he intends to speak to congress in english? >> my understanding is he will read his talk in english, and it's completely appropriate that he would be reading in a language that isn't his first tongue, but that's what i'm told, it would be in english. republican congressman paul gosar says he will boycott, and explaining, if he talks like a leftist politician, he should be
expected to treated as one. >> his message is interpreted by people in various ways, but everything i have heard him say sounds to me like he is a good she saidherd, calling the flock. in this case he's calling the whole human flock to respond to real problems. >> but in dealing with those problems, father rosica, one thing is this pope is willing to step on feet on all sides of various issues. he will also be meeting with president obama, and i don't have to tell you the catholic church is in something of a struggle with the obama administration with the issue over religious freedom and the debate with the mandate when it comes to contraception but church-related groups. do you expect him to bring that up with the president? >> no, but what i do think is going to happen is visit with president obama, with other members of the government, is
said, as a pastor of souls, and his playbook, the lexicon is not a political manual, it's not the handbook of a particular party, it's the gospel of jesus christ, which cuts across all divisionses, against all our categories. the beauty of this pope is we can't pigeonhole him. he's a gentleman, the visit to the white house, the president, the whole team are doing a good job, and they have a certain decorum to welcome the pope as the greatest moral leader in the world right now, and this is an opportunity for the president and his whole team to welcome him and to listen to the message of a peace maker. the backdrop of this whole visit is not what's happening in american politics or a presidential campaign.
in violence and bloodshift and rancor and hatred, and here we have a real prince of peace. if there's any princely title that should be associated with francis, it's a prince of peace, a bringer of peace. when peacemakers come, they upset those who are not at peace so in anyone is upset, let them look inside themselves. from the presence of francis, as you and i know, you're in the presence of extraordinary goodness, of kinds s in kindness and humanity. >> you talk about the decorum particularly of the visit to the president and the reception at the white house. the administration reportedly that is invited transgender activists, the first openly gale
but so far there's no word that they have invited any leaders of the pro-life movement, and some vatican officials have expressed concern about that. >> i can tell you this formally from the vatican, as i have a certain title to bring news from the vatican, that the vatican never gets involved in the guest lists of heads of state, so if some unnamed have expressed concerned, they should come forward, but there are some 15,000 or so people invited and there are many pro-life people in the audience. i met a few. they don't have press agents who are telling the world that they are invited to the white house. that's the problem. i was at the white house in 2008 when the president received pope benedict. that's quite a big crowd. so to say they have invited six
doesn't do justice to the 14,994 who represent the american people. i applaud the white house for having such a wonderful reception. >> there's also a battle gun on with planned parenthood. you have said that you believe the harvesting and use of fetal tissue in your word is heinous. do you expect that to come up? >> i expect that the holy father will probably focus, as he has done consistently in his pontificate on issues such as the dignity of every human person, the value and sanctity of life, but also on the development -- the social development that allows a life to fully develop. he will also speak, i would expect, to our common home. i see this thread running through his comments, whether they are his homilies, his
talks, whether it is in the encyclical, that i have to start with human person, respect and care for every sing the human person, see that person in the context of a society that allows that person to develop and flower, and then care for the good earth that allows all of that to take place. >> finally, father rosica, and i think some people are surprised to find out, this is the first trip to the united states in this pope's life, not his papacy, his life, and some of his argentine friends have been quoted that he has concerned about some of the excesses in this country. do you have any sense of how he views america. >> he's looked at american from the outside, but -- i haven't been to many countries, but i have an idea of what's gone on in that country. he's been well informed and
he belongs to an international religious order in which americans have played a very key role, the society of jesus. he has good cardinals working closely with them. he has the pulse of the church in america and the people. he is very well-informed and well-read. i have no doubt that the talks he will give will reflect a knowledge. he knows what's going on, and humanity. he understands human being and suffering human beings, and they world. we have somebody coming who is going to experience america up close and the wonders of washington, and he's not coming as a complete stranger. thank you both so much. it will be an exciting week in washington, and we thank you for the preview.
discuss the can you tell us the total number of fighters who remain? >> it's a small number. we're talking four our five. well, an astonishing admission this week by general lloyd austin about just how ineffective the program has been to train syrian rebels to take on isis. incidentally on friday, the pentagon said the number has now jumped from five to nine.
we're back with the panel. president obama had a $500 million program to train syrian rebels after spending $40 million, we now have it turns out nine trained syrian rebels in the field, and the administration announced this week they're going to change strategy. is that a good idea? >> uh, i think so, because the chickens are coming home to roost on the current strategy. not just with regard to the battle of isis, but the overall syria policy. here we have an excellent example of what happens in the world in far-flung places at times when the united states is not involved in leading. in syria the united states -- it appeared the president was going to take the lead, he said assad must go, and then he stopped short of that and turned it all over to vladimir putin whose influence is growing and is bound to be malignant. we're seeing on the shores of europe the consequences of the
circumstances, people dying in boats, in elsewhere, in significant numbers. it's a terrible mess, a humanitarian crisis, and of course on top of that we have strategy. after general austin's testimony in congress about the four or five fighters, now up to nine, the white house actually tried to disclaim responsibility for its own program. here is white house spokesman josh earnest. >> many of our critics had proposed this specific option as essentially the cure-all for all of the policy challenges were facing in syria right now. that is not something this administration ever believed, it is something our critics will have to answer for. >> i have to say in roughly 40 years here in washington i have never heard that line of argument from the white house podium. we never wanted to do this, you fault? >> it's a terrible argument. look, i think they were never on
board with it, because they were never on board with the idea that they shouldn't have done it. that's the answer. it isn't that we went ahead and did something we thought it was a bad idea is a terrible argument. i think they were right the first time. i don't think it was a good idea. i think the whole policy is incoherent, the idea we'll get red of assad, and they'll fight enemies. if assad leaves, there is no clear replacement. isis would obviously be the choice to move in. the people who are telling them arm the rebels, arm the rebels, i don't think it's that surprising that it's turned out the way it has. the pentagon said they've had difficulty who want to fight isis, because they want to fight assad. the president has spoken up for this program, was he lying all the time? i hate to say it, but apparently so. >> i think it was a political decision.
into it. >> meanwhile, this weeks although -- more alarming news, the russians have moved in fighter jets, attack helicopters, tanks, armored personnel carry es into syria. after saying that they were going to isolate returna after its invasion of ukraine, the white house, the administration is reaching out repeatedly to russia. here is secretary of state john kerry. >> i spoke to foreign minister lavrov again yesterday, the third time in less than a week. i made clear that russia's continued support for assad risks escalating the conflict. >> karl, a couple questions, whatever happened to our isolation strategy towards putin and russia after the ukraine invasion? and secondly, is russia now filling a vacuum in syria that we left for them?
expulsion of the soviet advisers from -- they have been out of middle east, and by the feckless foreign policy of this president, they're back in, 1,492 days ago, president obama said assad must go. three years and one month ago today, he said if they use chemical weapons, it's a red line. if he had move to remove assad at either of those points, two things would be reality. isis would not be in control of a great swath of iraq and syria, and russia would not be emerging as an influence in the middle east. you mentioned a lot of equipment. you didn't mention one thing. the au-22 surface-to-air defense system the russians have not put in syria. last time i looked, isis doesn't have an air force. that's a clear and provocative gesture towards the united states saying we will determine what happens in syria, not you. you interfere from the air we
which can take out your equipment. it is astonishing what a place of weakness we have found ourselves in by this administration administration's missing -- >> you have kerry reaching out to his counterpart -- >> begging, begging for them to talk to us. which says we don't have a strategy, we're hoping they'll give us a strategy. we ought to be stepping back and figuring out what is in our best interests and what is the way for us to go about degrading isis and removing assad. >> chuck, i don't mean this as a trick question, but can you explain what the u.s. policy is now towards assad, towards isis, towards russia? >> no, i really can't. there's a whole bunch of contradictory goals. in fairness you have evil people on both sides, sneeze of which we want to triumph. i guess you agree with the rest of the panels, they played that hand very poorly.
on top of everything else, vladimir putin is going to get an idea to launder his image internationally as the guy coming to ride to the rescue. that's how he's going to spin the support for assad. it's like the blow to be struck against the islamic state. everything done in the ukraine about go by the wayside, this guy has used syria to disturb the rest of the world. it's because of his support for assad that the war was prolonged and all these refugees were forced out of the country. >> and president obama's fecklessness, let's not forget that. >> how could we?
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