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how security is being stepped up in major cities across the u. the very latest inside analysis from our team around the world and presidential candidate marco rubio. from the global resources of abc news, a special edition of "this week," paris attack. here now, chief anchor, george stephanopoulos. od morning. we are covering all the fallout from thosese deadly attacks in paris friday night. first the stunning new video. it captures the moment gunfire rings out in the bataclan con sartre hall. this iss the firefight right outside the hall. civilians running for cover as the police moved in. we are also learning more about how these attacks were carried out. six sites targeted across paris, french investigators say at least seven attackers worked in three teams and just this morning a car filled with kalashnikovs discovered in a paris suburb. we are learning more about the
victims, 192 people killed including a college student from california, nohemi gonzalez. president obama weighed in from turkey this morning saying the skies have been darkened. it is an attack on the civilized world. this morning we'll hear more from president obama. senator marco rubio, a team of terror experts and begin in paris with "world news tonight" anchor david muir. good morning, david. >> reporter: this morning dramatic video showing the moments french police faced off with the gunman who had just been inflicting horror inside that concert hall. "time" magazine obtaining video of this terrifying scene unfold unfolding friday night. at first a paris street in stunned silence aware of the horror inside that theater then outse a barrage of bullets. an exchange of gunfire sendingng police out of the linef fire then retaliatin civilians fleeing thebullets. now nearly 48 hours after those terror strikes and the city is still on high alert. landmarks closed. the iconiciffel tower shut down. more than a thousand troops deployed guarding the city streets.
the deputy mayor here telling us they have never seen terror like this. >> this is not paris. this is not paris. this is baghdad. i don't know. >> there's new pictures of president hollande when that first explosion was heard at 9:20 realizing thahat the city of paris was under attack and at 9: terrorists entering that popular bataclan theatre. this insta grachl taken inside the concert where the american being eagles of death metal were playing. suddenly you can hear the gunshots cutting through the music. the terrorists holding at least 100 hostages. witnesses reporting the attackers were yelling allahu akbar. they were also heard saying syria and iraq. we now know there were three teams of terrorists cord 2345i9ing the attacks. authorities say seven attackers died, detonating identical suicide belts. while over the weekend in brussels authorities say a car
in relation to the paris attacks and among the 129 dead, 23-year-old california state university student nohemi gonzalez, studying design and spending time abroad, a professor calling her a shining student. while here on the trees o of paris this sunday, many here cannot get those images out of their minds. just ten months after the attacks on harlie hebdo" new and troubling headlines this week amid national days of mourning now the flags at half-staff as paris struggles to get through this. and even here in a cy that had already been tested last jan with the attacks on "charlie hebdo," the deputy mayor telling me they have never seen anything like that the terror that unfolded here friday night. the fact that seven aing thatters all died wearing identical suicide vests says they're dealing with a new wave, new front on terror. george.
joined by police chihief fabio golfier responsible for 0,000 officers in the region. ththanks for joining us, captain. we learned police found a car filled with kakalashniko in the paris suburb of montrois. what can you tell us. >> one of theerrorists is a french citizen and found a syrian passport near the attack. >> the pice have said that seven of attackers are dead but isis is claiming there were eight attackers. so did one of the attackers get away? >> we don't know really. it's a possibility, perhaps all the tourist -- all the tourists died in france. >> so we don't know for sure that the passport that you found actutually belonged to the attacker who is dead. >> we don't know.
concerns you and fellow securitity officials r right now? >> the security is a problem for all the french people, only -- we have to fight a terrorist attack, unprecedented in france. >> chief golfiey, thanks for joining us this morning andnd good luck. >> thank you very much. bye. >> bye. >> now to president obama, i sat down withim to discuss the isis threat thursday afternoon just 24 hours before those first reports from paris. >> but if isis with affiliates in so many countries right now, even afghanistan, if they decided now to go to international terror, that's a game changer, isn't it? >> well, i have to tell you, george, you know, aqap in yemen, al qaeda in yemen, we know has had plots consistently o over the last several years to try to bring down an airliner. i think that one of the challengeses of these international terrorist
have to have a huge amount of personnel if there is a crack in the system then they potentially can exploit it and theare looking for these cracks to exploit. what makes isil the challenge that it is right now is primarily the fact that they're occupy ing occupying tererritory i two countries that aren't governed effectively in those spaces. >> even your friendly critics, fareed zakaria says what you have on the ground now isn't going to be enough. every couple of months you'll be faced with the same choice, back down or double down. >> i think w what is true is that this is always been a multiyear project. precisely because the government structures and the sunni are ofof iraq are weak and there are none in syria and don't have ground forces there and in sufficient numbers to simply march into iraq and syria and
clean the whole place out. and as a consequence, we've always understood our goal has to be militarily constraining isil's capabilities, cutting off their supply line, cutting off their financing. >> isis is gaining springtrength, aren't they? >> what is true is from the start our goal has been first to contain and we have contained them. they have not gainedd ground in iraq and in syria, they'll come in, they'll leave, but you don't see this systemic march by isil across the terrain. what we have not yet been able to do is to completely decapitate their command and control structures. we've made some progress i trying to reduce the flow of foreign fighters and part of our goal has to be to recruit more effective sunni partners in iraq to really go on offense rather
>> that was president obama on thursday and we are joined now by his deputy national security adviser for strategic communication, ben rhodes. mr. rhodes, thank you for joining us this morning. what is the latest intelligence you have? does the president agree wit president hollande this was an act of war by isis? >> yes, george, first of all, in all likikelihood clearly all the signs point to this being the responsibility of isil. that's a determination the french authorities have made. certainly our information supports the strong likelihood that isil was involved in this. we absolutely agree that this was an act of war by isil, any ti you h have ts type of indisdiscriminate national target of innocent civilians we see that as an act of war by a terrorist group. at's why we've been waging war against isil for over a year with thousands of air strikes with partners on the ground. >> is there any intelligence suggesting a specific and credible threat to the homelaland? i know yesterday there was none. has anything new developed there?
a meeting yesterday that you charged secretary of the homeland security, the director of the fbi, our determination is there is not a specific credible threat to the homomeland at this time, but we're going to be very vigilant because we know isil has aspirations to aing that the united states as well as our europeanan and oer allies and partners so we're constantly going to be pulling threads on that intelligence sharing information with our allies, and seeing if there are any aspirations that lead to plotting in the united states. >> so this was an act of war against america'sldest ally as the president pointed out the other day. how will the united states respond? >> well, first of all we're clearly going to work closely with the french in terms of intelligence sharing. also in terms of their military response inside of syria. the french have been with us in iraq and syria a conductg air strikes. i think we want to continue to intensify that coordination. there's a french two-star general who's positioned in centcom to facilitate that coorordinationnd we'll be
after them and looking intensify those things that bear fruit in recent week, the type of leadership strikes we've taken against the leader of isil in libya and jihadi john and in sinjar where our kurdish allies on the ground were able to retake a strategic town. >> are those strikes making any difference? >> george, it's going to take time. this is going to be long-term effort. this is a deeply entrenched group. it's been in this part of the world for many years. it has its origins in al qaeda and iraq and morphed into isil. this threat is going to be with us for somee time but we have built an infrastructure of air strikes, of the ability to train and equip forces onned ground, of intelligence that can lead to those types of leadership targets and so our expectation is as we continue to intensify those efforts, hope to draw on more resources from our calista partners and role back isil and ultimately achieve that objective of defefeating the organization. >> the president received some criticism for that interview we did on thursday in the words he
fiorina saying isil not contained they are on the march, chris christie said the president is living in a fantasy. the president sees the world as he wants to see it. your response? >> well, look, george, the president was responding very specifically to the geographic expansion of isil and iraq and syria. a year ago we saw them on the march in both iraq and syria taking more and more population centers. the fact is we have been able to stop that geographic advance and take back significant amounts of territory in both northern iraq and northern syria. at the same time that does not diminish the fact that there is a threat posed by isil not just inhose countries but in their aspirations to project power overseas and that's why we're focused on the challenge of foreign fighters to come into and out of syria. many of those have returned to europe in particular. that's why it's such a focus of these meetings here to talk about how we can seal that border with turkey to prevent that flow of foreign fighters and share intelligence to disrupt and prevent attacks in
> now that we've seen probably three attacks by isil in just the last two weeks and the clear intent to go global won't the president need to dramatically step up this strategy? >> well, we'll have to be nimble, george. and that means looking at isil's efforts to expand. it should be noted that we took that strike against the leader of isil in libya precisely because we were concerned about their efforts to set up a stronghold in libya similar to what they've been able to do in iraq and syria so we are going to be vigilant and we're going to have a basic principle here that there canannote a safe havenn for a terrorist organization like isil that terrorizes the population around it and that seeks to project power and conduct attacks in the capitals of close friends and allies like france. >> benen rhodes, thanks very much for your time this morning. let's analyze this now with our terror team, chief investigative corresponde brian ross, former counterterrorism czar to three presidents kick clarke and chief
global affairs correspondent, martha raddatz. let's begin with this car of kalashnikovs, arrests in belgium but heard that police chief say they're not sure they've got everyone. > what they do know, george, this was not lone wolf operation but a team of cells put together by i isis commanders well trained had identical suicide vests and had a superstructure to keep them going, allowed to operate without being detected and looking for more members. the arrest in belgium included one seen on surveillance video at the site friday night in paris madeis way to brussels. >> he could have been eighth. >> he may well have been eighth attackers and others as well. >> the search goes on. >> absolutely very urgent. >> dick clarke, three attacks in the last two weeks. before the president had talked about isil being concentrated on local targets in syria and iraq. they are going global. >> george, we've known for nths that they have an
knew that it was planning an attack or a series of attacks outside of their region. in europe or the united states. it's clear when all the facts are in we're going to know that it's clear to me now these three attacks were all isis, they were all planned for months. they all have central command and control of syria. and that means they're going to be trying it here. whether or not they can get through, it's. harder target here. >> any sense of why it's happening now? some chatter in france about h how it was a response to president hollande's decision to go in with more air strikes in syria. >> no, this is something they've been planning for month, i think, they finally got it ready and did it. >> martha, that goes to the question about what the united states does about it. we heard ben rhodes say we'll have to eliminate safe havens what we've seen with isis they havepread ott lenly in libya, syria and iraq but also in afghanistan where you just were. >> i was in afghanistan and they have a training camp there. they put out graduation photos. the u.s. military is involved in
going after them in afghanistan as well but the idea that we have knocked out safe haven, we haven't. look at mosul. that is the second largest city in iraq and isis still holds it and they have held it for a year and ahalf. look at fallujah. they have held fallujah 30 miles west of baghdad for almost two years. so these safe havenens continue for isis. it's very complicated with air strikes because those are in populated areas, they don't want to kill civilians there. targeting is vevery, vy difficult. >> so what can you do about this targeting problem? you need people on the ground, right? >> that would certainly help. that would certainly help target. you need ielligence on the ground. that is a real problem. the u.s. has stepped up air strikes and have had and has had some successes of late. but if you don't have intelligence on the ground and think about syria. ii know the ainistration loves to talk about iraq and progress there. but syria, the idea that we've
fighters, they've trained and equipped about five rebel fighters. we don't really have partners on the ground who can help us in any significant way in syria. martha, we know the president met briefly will russian president vladimir putin. one of the big questions facing russia after the downing of that airliner, will they now start to go against isis not only the opponents of assad. >> reporter: i think you'll see russia step up the air strikes and i thinkou will see france step up air strikes although they've been involved and carried out air strikes they haven't done very emmany of them. jordan stepped up air strikes right after its pilot was killed earlier this year but then they tapered off. you really have to keep your eye on this because most of the allies taper off and will have to see what france does. >> brian, one of the chilling things here, no evidence yet of any real chatter before the attacks. >> that's very troubling to u.s. law enforcement especially. they thought they could detect this kind of planning in advance. that didn't happen.
there was no indicion they knew this was coming. >> bottom line, richard clarke, has isis now eclipsed al qaeda as the number one terror threat in the world. >> by far, george. isis is much more capable. they're more of them. they have more money. they have more discipline, more trading. this is a. bigger threat than we ever faced can kw. >> richard clarke, brian ross, martha raddatz, thanks very much. coming up more on the terror threat at home, pierre thomas has all the latest on new steps to keep us safen this special edition of "this weeeek." the pursuit of healthier. it begins from the second we'reorn. because, healthier doesn't happen all by itself. it needs to be earned every day. using wellness to keep away illness. and believing a single life can be made better by millions of others. as a health services and innovation compa optum powers modern healthcare by connecting every part of it. soso whileheorld keeps searching for healthier
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bratton. that is the scene in tooichlz this morning. ramped up police presence across new york city. other major cities across the country this morning. alsopecial concern at football stadiu across the country this morning. i wa to talk more about this homeland threat with pierre thomas in washington. what are the specific stepsps being taken right now, pierre? >> reporter: pretty much in all the football games today you will see stepped up security at major city as cross this country. shows of force by police at mass transit throughout the country. law enforcement wants to send a signal that they're ready for anything, george. >> i want to pick up on the conversation we just had with brian ross, one of the big concerns of homeland security officials here is the fact that they didn't see. chatter in pararis and the idea that cells here might be going dark. >> reporter: why did they not see this coming? that's t key question? i poke to a senior official last night, george. he said there's real concern about so-calledoing dark. that al qaeda and i isis may have come up with a technology in which they can communicate off
the grid where no one can see them communicating. >> no one can see them communicating. they may -- and they may not need to communicate all that. and we just heard richard clarke say that isis clearly going global now and that has to increase the fears here in the united states. >> reporter: look, this is a game changer. isis officials tell me over and over is one of the most brutal groups they've ever seen. they want high tempo. people have been chopping off head, burning people alive and beam out 90,000 messages a day to smartphones around the world trying to encourage people to do something. ashe fbi director has said over and over they want to kill, kill, kill. >> we've seen more and more arrests in the united states of people trying to go over to syria or iraq do we have a good sense right now of the intelligence of how many americans have gone over, how many may hav gone back. >> reporter: they believe the number is somewhere around 100 or more, george. law enforcement officials have done a pretty good job they believe of keeping track but the fbi director has alws said he doesn't know what he doesn't
know. there are ways to get into europe and eventually get to turkey and into syria that he saidight not be eedetected a real concern and concerned about the lone wolf who might be contacted by s social media to attack. >> okay, pierre thomas, thanks very much. let's get more on this with congressman adam shift and bill bratton. thank you both for joining us and congressman schiff. let me begin with you. you were briefed several types since the attacks on friday. what mor can you add on the intelligence behind the attack and what t the threa may be here at ho? >> well, this was an isis attack likely directed and equipped out of ria. we have seen, george, that france for a number of reans has been the primary focus of external plotting for isis for the past year so multiple plots. they have wanted to attack in public place like we saw so tragically this week, and i think the reality is even the
best intelligence will not shop a determined enemy that adapts to our defenses and isis has adapted. the f first -- yeah. >> you talked about this last week when we were first talking about the plane going down in russia. you did say that you believe isis has adapted and eclipsedd al qaeda. clearly going global right now. that? >> well, i think the implications are this is not just ann intelligence failure. it's a failure also of a calista campaign because we have allowed isis to have sanctuary in syryria and iraq with too much time to plan and plot, too muchh resources to be directed against us and unless that changes strategically we can expect more attacks like this. we arere hard at target. a harder target to reach b we ow isis aspires to attack us here in the united states as well. >> one of the reasons stepped up efforts by police department. bill bratton, commissioner of the new york city police department, as well. take us inside. what happens inside y your
of those attacks in paris? >> multiple number of things will occur. first off in new york city, we are always on the offense in terms of our intelligence gathering capabilities, joint terrorism task force, almost a thousand people permanently assigned to counterterrorism but then we d do have with 35,000 personnel the capability to ramp up very quickly as you saw over the last8 hours. and we have expanded that dramatically since my appointment as commissioner. we now have a 500-person unit in our counterterrorism bureau that is specially equipped, long gun, heavy vest, vehicles that are prepared to go in and protectct locations to the ability to go into locations tha are under attack. additionally we have another 800-person unit created similarly armed and equipped that also capable of that type of activity. at any given time i have 400 to 500 offers in the city equipped like that. no american city has that
capability. >> 400 or 500 officers, you're right. no american city has that kind of capability but one of the things we see in paris, there's so many targets. >> soft targets. >> you can't protect everything. >> that's the issue. anybody that thinks they can is crazy. no, one of the things we attempt to do is to protect the larger venues, times square or in this case of this issue all of the ench entities in the city but the soft target aspect is the one of concern because every major american city, every village, every town has soft targets. that's where the preactivity of the intelligence gathering is so essential and that right now is where this has been a game changer. isis taking advantage of the technology that the head of the fbi has been complaining about, i've been complaining about, going dark, the ability to go dark. i think you're going to see that's going to play a significant factor in this event. very interested to see what type of phones they're equipped with, what type of apps they had. where they in fact were in communication with each other at all. you might have had three
separate events going on they might not have known -- ? even though they were equipped in the same way. >> wait to see if they were equipped in the same way. certainly all had suicide belts so obviously were intendg to come out of this not alive which is also problematic for us in the sense these are people who are going to blow themselves up no matter what if finally congressman scff, used the word failure in a moment. if it was, what should be done and what should the united states and president be doing right now? >> we're certainly going to intensify our intelligence cooperation but we've been doing that already. i think that the chief failure here is we cannot allow isis to have this unmolested sanctuary in syria and iraq from which to plan and direct attacks against us, because some off those attacks will get through in the first year of its existence it focused on building its caliphate. now in the second year it has fosed on opening a second front and attackiking the west. it has the aspiration to attack us here at home and being on defense through the use of these intelligence resesources is simply not enough.
we're going to have to further constrain its space and i think it will a be interesting, george, to see whether the president can get some commitment from turkey two imemploy turkish troops to protect the safe zone that turkey wants to create. >> he is there right now. congressman schiff, commissioner bratten bratton, thanks so much. marco rubio on this special edition of "this week." you're an adult
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to receive tanzeum free for 12 months. make every week a tanzeum week. mar rubio also running for president said that this attack shshowed the attack in paris showed that we are at war with radical islam. do you agree with that characterization, radical islam? >> i don't think w we're at war with islam. i don't think we're at war with all muslims. i think we're at war with jihadists. are at war with violent extremism with people who use their religion for purposes of popowernd oppression and, yes, we are at war with those people, but i don't want us to be painting with two broad a brush. >> scene from las night's democratic debate and we're join by the man invoked in that question senator marco rubio also running for president. member of the senate intelligence committee. senator rubio, thanks for joining us this morning. >> thank you. >> you saw second clinton there did not want to use the words
>> i think that's -- i don't understand it. that would be like saying we weren't at war with nazis because we were afraid to offend germans part of the party but weren't violentnt themselves. we are war with radical islam with an interpretation of islam by a significant number of people around the world who believe they justifies them in killing those who don't agree with their ideology. this is a clash of civilizations and as said at t the date earlier this week there is n middle ground on this. either they win or we win and we need to begin to take this seriously. these are individuals motivated by their faith, of course, all muslims are not members of violent jihadist groups but there's a global jihadistt movement in the wororld motivated by their interpretation of islam, inn this case sunni islam in the case of isis and needs to onfronted for what it is. this is a religiously or gented movement. >> we heard the president's assistant ben rhodes say this is an act of war by isil and the u.s. will have to be nimble in its response. what do you think the president
>> well, first i would ask our allies to invoke artrticle 5. an act of war, an attack on one of our allies and invoke article 5 and bring everyone together to put together a calista to confront this challenge. >> confront it how? would what would you do, senator lindsey a graham says put 10,000 groups s troops on the ground. >> we need to begin to work more closically for example for the sunni tribes in iraq who do not want to work under the thumb of the central government in iraq.. we've worked with them -- >> isn't that's what's happening now? ? no, it is not. we continue. of this tough baghdad and badad is more interested in pursuing or i protecting the shia group, many of whom are under the control of iran, they also are continuing to double down on their own domestic forces which quite frankly have proven unreliable. the best fighters on the ground have prove be to be the kurds and sunni tribes who are
autonomous and we aren't directly supporting them so that needs to happen and get the sunni allie in the region to jean the fight. were they need to be defeated ideologically and militarily by sunnis themselves. >> is all that going to work without more united states troops. >> therere will he to be a significant american engage many and why we should work more closely with our allies to station american or support and conducting them off aircraft carriers. if we had more e of theselanes flying out of turkey we should request areas in iraq and conduct a lot more strikes if we had that in place. >> stop you there. saying more air strikes but not willing to say -- >> you're not letting me finish. look, i also believe we need to operators. key to the success of this is we are going to have to conduct an increased number of special operations attacks targeting isis leadership and reveaealing that they are not inagainstable. in essence subjecting them to high-profile humiliating defeats where we sike them, capture or
kill their leaders and videotape the operations, we publicize them because this is a group that heavily uses propaganda to attract fighters and donors from warned the world and presenting themselves as this invincible force. we need to cut off thatt narrative. it isn't true a and tt's important.t. weill need much more than 00 ecial operators on the ground. long-term, however, in the big picture the only way to defeat isis, militarily is for sunnis themselves to be the bulkhead of the fight but will require us to do more in the short stage and this is what we need to be doing to defeat isis over there. there e a host of other things to keep america safe at home. >> one of yr rivals senator ted cruz said over the weekend we have t dramatically ramp up the air strikes even if 2 means for civilian casualty. >> look, i don't think any nation on earth takes more pains in avoiding civilian casualties than the united states. the reality fortunately is many ofof tse terrorist group, deliberately operate from the center o civilian areas because they want there to be civilian
we've seen that as well used by the enemies of israel on repeated occasions. obviously we're going to take great pains to avoid civilian casualties. but at the end of the day no one has killed for civilians and innocents than isis has and although we'll take extraordinary steps to avoid civilian casualties, there is, of course, no guarantee especially given the fact that you're operating against these individuals who have no regard for human life. >> some evidence that one of those attackers in paris may have been a refugee from syria coming through greece, they're not completely sure of that yet but it has put a lot of attention on thehepresident's decision to increase the number of refugees from syria and it's also creating some criticism for you from one of your rivals rand paul says that a couple of years ago on the immigration bill you blockeked an amendment that would have made it more difficult for refugees with terrorist pasts to get in. i want to show you what he said. >> two, three years ago inintroduced a bl or amendment to the immigration bill that
would have provided for more juteny tore people coming into our country, refugee, immigrant, students, they would would have had background checks. mine was a national security amendment as well as an immigration amendment and marco blocked it. >> your response? >> well, look, rand is just using this sort of rhetoric to distract from his weak record on national security issues. it's been o one of th leading fires trying to gut the american intelligence programs. think about the metadata program. imaginef one of those strikes occurred in the united states. what are the cell phone records of these people. god forbid what happened in paris happened in waington. we would want to know -- we would want their phone records. would give us clues as to who they were working with. rand paul wants to get rid of that prram. in facts he aadvocated one of the leading figures behind part of that being -- >> did you in fact block an avmdment -- >> no, listen, the brackground
checks are required now. you can't pick up the phone and call syryria and that's one of the reasons why i've said we won't be able to take more refugees. it's thought that we don't want to. we can't because there's no way to background check someone coming from syria. who do you call and do a background check on them? the bottom line is that this is not just a threat coming from abroad. what we need to open up to and realize is that we have a threat here at home. homegrown violent extremists, individuals that perhaps have not even t traveled abroad radicalized online. this has become a multifaceted ththreatt. in the case of what's happening in europe this is a swarm of refugees and ass i've said repeatedly over the last few months you can have a thousand people come in and 999 of them are just poor people fleeing oppression and violence but one of them is an isis fighter. if that's the case you have a problem. and there's no way to vet that out. there's no background check system in the world that allows us to find that out because who do you call in syria to background check them? >> how have these attacks changed 9 race for the white house. some have put forward the
analysis it will make it more difficult for outsisider candidates with limited foreign policy experience like donald trump and ben carson to succeed. i don't think is is the time to do political analysis. this is a major threat to our country and the world and have said it repeatedly throughout the race. the number one obligation of the federal government is to provide for our security and said it in the debate the other night again and i hope this is a reminder that the federal governmnment is involved in all sorts of things, but the one thing it must do and only it cano is provide for our fat security. i made the point the other night. that all this talk about economic growth and prosperity becomes very impossible to achieve if we're n safe and this is a reminder of it just 48 hours ago in paris, france, we were r remindedf what happens to a country when it feels insecure. >> senator rubio, thanksor yourime this morning. >> thanks, george. when we come back, more on how the paris attacks are transforming this race for the white house and all the big momentsrom last night's big democratic debate. analysis from our roundtable on this special edition of "this week."
democratic nomination united on one thing, the threat of isis. >> together leading the world this country will rid our planet of this bash rouse organization called isis. >> it cannot be contained. it must be defeated? we have a lot of work to do. >> reporter: but exactly how to defeat isis up for debate. >> this cannot be an american fight althoughh america leadership is essential. >> i would disagree with secretary clinton respectfully on this score. fight. >> reporter: vermont senator bernie sanders going after former secretary of state hillary clinton's 2002 senate vote to invade iraq. >> i would argue that the disastrous invasion of iraq, something that i strongly opposed has unraveled the rion completely and led to the rise of al qaeda and to is. >> reporter: but the sharpest exchange of the nit, about
wall street. >> why over her politicalal ceer hahas wall street been a major -- the major campaign contribututor to hilillary inton? they expect to get something. everybody knows that. >> basically used his answer to impugny integrity. let's be frank here. >> no, i -- >> wait a minute, senator. youu know, not only do i have hundreds of thousands of donor, most of them small and i'm very proud that for the first t time majority of my donors are women, 60%. [ cheers and applause ] >> reporter: despite the careers clinton is now taking heat f invoking 9/11 to defend her ties to wall street banks. >> i did spend a whole lot of time and effort helping them rebuild. that was good for new york. it was good for the economy and it was a way to rebuke the terrorists who had attacked our country. >> reporter: and this debate taking a differerent tone in both a somber tone and those attacks from sanders and o'malley, clinton's camp telling me they view thisas a win for them,
in paris shifting the entire focus on the 2016 race now, george, america's fight against isis taking center stage. >> we're going to talk about that now with our roundtable. bill kristol editor of "the weekly standard. stephanie cutter, supporter of hillary clinton. robert reich professor at the university of california at berk. author of "saving capitalism" and anna that regard very, supporter of jeb bush. those attacks right in the middle of the campaign. how does it change it? >> on the republican side it out puts theuestionf who primary voters want as commander in chief front and center in a way it hasn't been so far. i don't know which way that cuts. does it help a senator familiar with foreign policy which marco rubio is and ted cruz is as well or someone who can say i'm a tough skubt tiff and at least on foreign policy related things as aa prosecutor, chris christie i think has a chance to make h case on that. i think it hurts trump and carson honestly. i think you want someone who has some government experience, some
experience dealing with the military, dealing with the intelligence community as the next president. >> you're nodding your head. >> i think that it does have a pretty big impact on the republican side because it does remind people that electing a president is putting a commander in chief in charge. and so far the republican race has been about personality and entertainment and celebrity. and these tough issues haven't been a big part of the discussion. to the extent they have i it's about meeting putin in the green room. and i think now that disiscuion is going to change. >> you know, and what do you think? do you agree with bill on 9 possibility this would hurt trump and carson and put jeb bush in a box having to deal with his brother's legacy one more time. >> actuall i don't. i think what it does highlights the fact that he's a governor who has experience dealing with crises.. who's got leadership experience. look, what i hope this does is i hope it serves a a wake-e-up cal both for candidates and voters in the republican party. let us focus on the important stuff.
folk, stop playing small ball. stop this pettiness calling each other name, talking about each other's faces, whether we'e're kill killing -- tell me what you're going to do to defeat this threat and to the voters i would say, folks, we're not electing an entertainer in chief. we're electricing a commander in chief and it's not if, it's when we face this crisis. whwho do you want to be there in the big room making the decisions? >> i think ana is right, also, the public is going to pay more attention to the issue of temperament and i think this is where donald trump and perhaps a couple of the other republican candidates really suffer because you want somebody who is not just commander in chief merial but somebody who is actually even i'm tempered who won't go off the rails. the other thing, georgege, is that we are beginning to see once again in the republican party the old debate over isolationm versus global reach. you interviewed marco rubio, the question was, troops on the
bellicose, many of these republican -- >> heidn't want to say he would put troops on the ground is it that's the point. theyon't want to talk about troops on the ground but talk about everything else. they want to bomb, they want to, you know,, have a more aggressive policy. but they don't want to commi -- >> is that a trap >> it's no the a trap. they should say of course we need -- look, hillary clinton said in the democratic debate last night isis cannot be contained. it must be destroyed. i agree.e. i think most republicans agree. if isis is to be destroyed america is going to have to be in the lead. you can do a lot more from the air. you are going to need troops on the ground and i think republican voters, i don't agree at all, yes, they're a little more wary and worried about another intervention in the middle east. at the end of the day the candidate who arctic lays a credible strategy will be stronger, not weaker on the republican side. and if i were advising republican campaign, call in general petraeus and keen and general kelly and say what is the real strategy. if it takes 50 you thousand troops cleaning out raqqah the
it. >> i just don't think that the american public is yet ready for more troops on the ground, bill. i mean, after what we have gone through over the last ten years, you know, everybody wants to protect the united states, of course, but when it comes to another major commitment of american troops, you're not going to get that kind of -- >> the real question about whether it would worork and i think if somebody came out and say let's commit 50,000 troops you woululd havea lot of commentary with generals and the national security community that that's not going to do it. and some of the recommendationsns that marco rubio laid out where the president is, it's largely the thing, we have to work with sunnis. we have to bui a calista. we have to increasase our presence, yes, but america has to be part of the solution helping to lead it but we can't be the only piece of that susan. >> i don'think any candidate should be naming a specific amount of people that should be on the ground right now but what they shohould be saying is we are going to listen to our generals. we're not going to get our
military advise from the sunday shows. given all the respect that we may get. but, you know, i just think also on the democrats side it was flabbergasting for a lot of republicans to see the three leading democrat candides dedebate forwo hours and not be able to utterhe phrase radical islamic -- >> you saw marco rubio respond to that. also stephanie tter, t that moment hillary clinton invokes 9/11 to bolster -- i mean rational rationalale for sporting wall street. >> yeah, yeah. i don't think that was ththe finest moment of the debate and i this i she'll have to answe to that. you know, getting into ray position of defending wall stet is a problem for her which she simplyhould have said is, yes, wall street has given me money. could you point to anything that i have done because of that money. i have the strongest wall street regulation plan. i have, you know, i was the first out there to control bonuses, i was in support of
you know, it's not a quid pro quo. that's what she should have said. >> the democrats, bernie sanders says the operator -- the operating business plan of wall street is fraud and greed. couldn't sectary clinton say, you know what, tre are lots of decent people that work there. tens of hundreds of thousands of them. mr. saers -- you could -- don't have to defend the big banks - -- >> you you get the last word. >> you all underestimate the extent of americans still, the anger toward wall street, beginning with the bailout and responsible. nobody has been indicted. nobody has gone to jail. i've been on a book tour and talked to red state america and they are apoplectic about what wall street -- >> that's the last word.
chief foreign correspondent terry moran. >> the eiffel tower symbolizes all that is paris. >> reporter: when you think of paris it's the eiffel tower, the grand that creed that will of notre dame, the champ elysees the most famous treat? the world but thas not where theeerrorists struck. they struck here. this is neighborhood acrossroads of paris. diverse in so many ways and so young.g. th terrorists went after the young. the multiracial multicultural young of this city in their paris on their friday night out. the crowded local restaurants before so open, so familiar, now shattered, silent. and the old concert hall transformed into a ghterhouse. and the stadium where soccer breaks down the ordinary barriers of life in france and brings the crowd together. the attackers knew exactly what they were doing.
from where t restaurants were hit. he hid behind a car. >> the guy just want to kill. >> reporter: medi understands what this is all about. you are here. >> yeah, it's an area where we have mixed people. whatever the religion, whatever the color of skin. we are friend. we are brother and sister. we are humanity. >> reporter: that is the future that the young of this city of so many cities around the world are building and now dyiying for. for "is week," terry moran, abc news, paris. >> that is all for us today. thanks for sharing part of your sunday with us. we leave you back in paris. those images of the growing memorial outside the restaurant where 15 victims died including
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