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as the gop race tightens, can the billionaire seal the deal and what he's saying now about his battle with ted cruz. we're on the trail in new hampshire with donald trump. heat. >> clinton campaign is getting very, very nervous. >> could this underdog shock the political world in an upset for the ages? >> hillary clinton and bernie sanders are both here, live. plus, insights and analysis from the powerhouse roundtable. it's all only on "this week." from abc news. it's ees it's "your voice, your vote." here now chief anchor george stephanopoulos. it's on. the bromance between the two republican front-runners is history. the clashes continued this
as trump attacked the values. cruz countering with this video. >> i'm very pro-choice. i hate the concept of abortion. i hate it. still, i just believe in choice and again, it may be a little bit of a new york background because there is some different attitude and different parts of the country. i was raised in new york and grew up and work and everything else in new york city. >> here was cruz in south carolina. >> i recognize what donald trump says on the campaign trail today is fairly conservative. but voters are far more discerning. they have learned over and over truth. >> trump was loaded for bare saturday. we began with the news breaking, the release of those american prisoners from iran. so, we have some news, four american hostages including
you said that was never going to happen, you blamed obama, ready to give him credit? >> absolutely not. i said if i got into it it would happen immediately. we give seven we get four. this should have happened years ago, we're giving $150 billion, this shouldn't be happening now and i understand that in addition tohe $150 billion they're getting prisoners. we're taping this a little bit early and it's not sunday morning like your viewers probably think. this thould have happened years ago. >> let's talk about the race, it's now a two-person race between you and ted cruz. >> i don't think so. i don't think ted cruz has a great chance to be honest with you. >> he's doubled-down on this issue of new york city values. he lumped you in yesterday with
and bill deblasio. >> the truth is he's a nasty guy. nobody likes him. nobody in congress likes him. he's a very -- he's got a edge that's not good. you can't make deals with people like that. it's not a good thing for the country. very nasty guy. >> he's also circulating that clip of you on tim russert. my views are a little bit different than if i lived in iowa. those were your words. >> a long time ago, he's taking money from people that are very much into the whole gay marriage situation and he's taking money from them and he raising funds from them. he got caught the other day on a tape he was raising funds at a law office, talking about things and priorities -- >> are you saying he's a
>> he's a total hypocrite. today, it comes out he's borrowing money from citibank and he doesn't list it. he wants to look like he's the one protecting the ones from the banks. and not disclosing it which is illegal. >> those were your words. talking about how you were strongly pro-choice, your comparison of new york values and iowa views and it's led a lot of conservatives to think, maybe he's going to switch again. >> it doesn't matter what thinks. we're talking about labels. i consider myself to be -- >> you're not con second l serve tif? >> i'm conservative. when it comes to different elements of what i i believe in, i'm going to solve our trade problem, i'm going to solve our military problem, i'm going to
and here's ted cruz putting down that and the great, you know -- >> he didn't put t tt down. >> he's putting down the great people of new york. who could have done what new yorkers did under that unbelievable circumstance? >> let's talk about some of the issues, what kind of judges would you appoint, will they be conservative? >> well, first of all, we have a lot of judges that have to be appointed. we have a lot of openings in terms of judges. i'm very happy about that to be honest. i think appointing judges is a very important element of what -- >> ted cruz said he's going to appoint conservatives with a paper trail. >> i'm going to appoint p pple with great reputations, great in the legal profession. >> like? >> you know a judge who's totally underrated about not spoken is justice thomas, i
judges that we have on the supreme court, justice roberts turned out to be a nightmare for conservatives. and by the way, ted cruz was the one who really wanted justice roberts to go on the supreme court. you know that. have you heaea that? >> he was pushing him hard. justice roberts gave us obamacare. obamacare would have been terminated twice if it wasn't for justice roberts. first time 10 on%. justice roberts could have killed obama care and should have based on everything. ted cruz is the one that was promoting him. ted cruz and also jeb bush, but justice roberts was the man that gave us and remember it. he gave us obama care. almost as much as obama himself. >> lot of conservatives skeptical of you saying you
>> let me tell you about that decision, imminent domain, without that, you wouldn't have roads or highways, you wouldn't schools, you wouldn't have hospitals. you have to use that the pipeline, the keystone pipeline they have pages devoted to eminent domain. every conservative. it can't be built without imminent domain, you wouldn't have 25 feet of the keystone pipeline. eminent domain you need eminent domain. you wouldn't have roads or anything. so when people criticize me on that and once people understand what it is, lot of people don't know what it is, without that power you wouldn't have the kind of things you need to survive as a society and as country. >> so, how are you going to make
justice roberts? >> excuse me, how are they going to makee sure? bush appointed him and cruz was the biggest advocate. justice roberts turned out to be an absolute disaster. he turned out to be an absolute obama care. you tell me, ask cruz why did he push -- >> i'm asking you, why did he push so hard to have a judge who has absolutely set the conservative movement back and set everything else -- >> when i interview him i'll ask him. >> i will study it carefully. i will workith people i republican respect, conservative people, we'll appoint judges that will be good. i won't have an appoint like justice roberts. >> let's talk about imdprags,
against your deportation force. governor christie said this would cause an increase in 50 skt. >> senator cruz is very weak on illegal immigration, he only got strong over the last little while. the other day, i heard him say he wants to build a wall. we're going to create and have a country again. that's what we want. we want to have borders, to have a country you have to have borders. we have people flowing over freely. >> are you going to enforce it. >> having babies on our land, called anchor babies, you need a new constitutional amendment you don't. you need probably just a vote of congress and you might not even need that. i said that from the beginning.
as an example that cruz has a real problem with his place of birth. many people are saying that right now. since i spoke to you the last time he's been sued. >> the person who doesn't have standing -- >> lot of people who have standing. >> you have standing, why don't you follow suit? >> that sounds like a very big case. >> ted was so nice to me, i said he's not a nice guy, he wanted to go to wake, so nice, so nice. when is it going to happen? it happened during the debate, he lied about the polls. the poll came out with a headline, trump way up, him way down. he lied about that. i find it very interesting. >> so -- >> listen, let me just say, i don't think he's going to do very well. >> if you really believe in this
>> i'd like to talk to ted about that. when i file suits i file real suits. i'm unloading because he's been very dishonest. he didn't put down the banks yet he criticizes the banks and he's going to be robin hood and take care of the banks. he didn't the public to see he borrowed money from goldman sachs. he doesn't want the public to see that, the reason is, because he wants the public to see that he's this wonderful guy protecting him from the bad, vicious bankers. he borrows money from the banks and he's got personal guarantees and why that's not done in his personal financial, he said, he made a paper mistake. oh really. he made the mistake with citibank.
hundred pages talking about billions and billions of dollars, i didn't make a mistake and they have gone through by everybody, i didn't make a mistake. couple of pages with a couple of loans and he forgets the main banks and he can't put that down? that wasn't a mistake. >> let's talk about national security, rubio versus cruz on national security. usa freedom act could have been written by lobbyists for isis. cruz said it's the best way to protect national security and private privacy. >> i come down on security. we have a whole thing going on whether or not we want to protect our freedoms. to me security is freedom. i'm on the side of security. i have been there from day one. if someone is listening to my calls, i don't like it. when it comes to me personally, i would rather have that, i want security.
>> i would go with the rubio side. >> it sounds like you're worried about cruz. >> i come down on anybody that doesn't tell the truth. he didn't tell the truth during the debate. he didn't tell the truth about new york city. i mean, new york city is a -- very few places on earth could have done and suffered the way they suffer. remember this, george, that was the greatest attack in the history of our country. greater than pearl harbor, because pearl harbor they attacked the military. here, they attacked civilians and these two massive buildings came down on top of the rest of the city. thousands of people killed and the day, an hour later, we started the process. great people started the process. people coming, firemen coming in from queens knowing they may die. they all died. we have this guy, who falsifies his personal financial forms, we have this guy criticizing --
mike bloomberg. you and hillary in it, sources say, it would show a competitive race. >> i would love to have michael join the race. i'd love to. because he would be, i think, take a lot of votes away from hillary, it's going to be hillary. you tell me. >> she went to your wedding. >> she had to, though, you know why, because i contribute. >> so, here's the story, i would say if michael came in, he would take a lot of votes away from hillary. you know why, one of the reasons, guns. michael is very much anti-gun. i'm very pro-second amendment. >> i'd love to have him in the race. very lat for anyone to join the race right now.
for anyone to come in right now is very late. >> a woman named rebecca o'donnell has a 9-year-old son, paying attention to the son, he's adopted internationally, he asked her if he and his brother would be taken away from us if donald trump became president. "the globe." -- what do you say rebecca? >> why don't you pick out a positive letter, we're getting so positive letters. people want to take back their country. that young man will be fine, okay, but people want to take back their country. we have to have a country. we don't have a country right now. we have people pouring in,
they're pouring in and they're doing tremendous dangerous, if you look at the crime and the economy. the real number in terms of
real number, it's over 20%. it could be over 25%. because people look for jobs, they give up and the real number is a disaster. and if you think 25,000 people come to my rallies because we're doing well, the reason they're coming to my rallies because the country is doing poorly that includes the economy. the stock market. >> final question, martin luther king day, what do you say to african-americans who believe his dream hasn't achieved in this country. >> i believe with them. we have an african-american president, the african-american youth has essentially never done worse. you look at the unemployment in the '50s, you look at african-american
people that are 30 and 35 and 40 at the height of their strength and their lives they're doing horribly. president obama an
terrible job for african-americans. donald trump will do a great job for african-americans. i'll be back jobs from china a a many other places. i will be great for african-americans. >> more from donald trump in just a minute and then the democrats. hillary clinton and bernie sanders both join us live this week ahead of tonight's big debate. the attacks are coming hard and fast. "this week" with george stephanopoulos brought to you by pacific life. for life insurance, annuities life. the power to help you succeed. because getting there requires exactly that. a plan for what you want your future to look like. for more than 145 years, pacific life has been providing solutions to help individuals like you achieve long-term financial security. bring your vision for the future to life with pacific life. talk to a financial advisor to help build and protect
the beginning. don't forget, i have been at top of the polls from the very first day. i'm an intelligent person like you are, we're intelligent people, probably i toned it down a little bit sometimes. but sometimes you can't tone it down. when you're dealing against china who's just killing us and mexico they're sending us and other groups of people that are doing big numbers on us and we're losing a fortune as a country and we're losing our heart and we're losing our soul. you have to be pretty strong. you don't want to tone it down too much. >> you're all in now? you're going to do everything you can? >> i'm here. i'm number one in eveve single place, including iowa, by the way, all of the latest polls have me number one in iowa. i have a great relationship with the people and the evangelicals and the tea party. no, we're looking to do very well. february 1st we start.
theory if you lose iowa, it all spirals down. >> i think i'll do well in iowa. if i don't make it at iowa, at a minimum i do think it's going to be close. but i think i'm going to win iowa. and new hampshire. south carolina, it's going to be great. i think i'm going to do
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from the financial industry when he ran in 2008. so, it's a funny kind of charge. >> i think anybody who looks at that ad understands that it's not a negative ad. it's absolutely truthful. > bernie sanders and hillary clinton going at it this week. as we begin this campaign in 2016. secretary clinton joins us now from charleston, south carolina. good morning, madam secretary. >> good morning, george. >> i want to get to that back and forth between you and bernie sanders, but first the news that american hostages are heading home. donald trump not give inging credit to the president. >> well, look i'm pleased like i hope everybody is, we have american citizenss coming home this morning from iran. they were unjustly held there
issues when americans were being picked up, falsely charged and imprisoned to get them home, i applaud the fact that's happened. we still don't have bob levinson, so we still have unfinished business. i think this is a part of what we're going to be pursuing, persistent, patient diplomacy, today is also the day we have verified the iranians have followed through on the requirements under the nuclear agreement. they have shipped out the vast majority, i think it's up to 98% their enriched uranium, they have poured cement into one of the reactors we worried about because of a plutonium potential threat. they have destroyed centrifuges. so thshg so, this is the kind of smart dip lo masy i was proud to be a
we have a lot of problems with iran, their aggressive behavior, their destabilizing of neighboring states, their continuing military support for assad and so much else. but the fact we put the lid on the nuclear weapons program, the fact that we got our prisoners back, i think is reason for good news. >> let's get to the campaign right now. strange series of events yesterday. they put out word they would demanding the release of the sanders' health records. it appeared to go away. what is relevant here and what's not? should aging health be an issue this this campaign? >> i put out my medical records. george, this is all part of the expectation. but, i think it's fair to say i share a lot of the same goals with senator sanders about what we feed to do on behalf of our country. but we have differences and
provision he also voted for that gives a gun to a potential buyer after three days whether or not the background check has been completed and it's called the charleston loophole because that's how the killer in charleston got his gun. if more time, information would have come to light he was prohibited. he used that gun to murder nine faithful people at bible study. i want to see movement against the gun lobby because we can't continue to lose 90 people a day to gun violence and i welcome senator sanders moving on one of the issues he was wrong on. >> we'll ask him about that in a few minutes. another big difference is health care. are you against that, because it's a bad idea because it's not practical, would a single-payer system be better if you could get it passed?
goal of universal health care. i threw myself into that back in '93 and '94 and still have the scars to show for it. so, the goal is, we want everybody to have access to quality affordable health care. but i think we should be defending the affordable care act. it's a historic achievement for this country and president obama. we are making progress. i want us to protect us to defend it and improve it. the republicans keep trying to repeal it and offer nothing in place of it. rather than tear it apart or get rid of it and start all over again, let's do what i'm proposing to get costs down, get more sport for families who face big medical costs let's deal with the rising costs of prescription drugs. that's the right way for the country to go and certainly it's what i'm advocate zblg you have
i was struck this morning, american cross roads the super pack founded by karl role has just launched this online ad in iowa. >> hillary clinton has gone 54 times. hillary rewarded wall street with the $700 billion bailout. wall street made her a multimillionaire. >> i respected wall street. >> yep, you sure did, hillary.
>> are you worried that your ties to wall street are weighing you down? >> well, first, let me say, it shows how desperate the republicans are to prevent from becoming the nominee. that's an inkreshlly flattering comment on their anxiety because they know that not only will i stand up for what the country needs i will take it to the
record which shows i know how to stand up to them and i will win. i think this just proves my point i'm the strongest candidate to go up against any republican. with the back and forth on wall street, i think it's, you know, look, i have stood up to wall street even though i did represent new york. i have advocated for changes. but what i find sort of strange is, number one, the ad that senator sanders ran was against all democrats that took contributions froro anybody associated with the financial industry, that would include president obama who took more than anyone had in 2008, that did not stop him from turning around and imposing the toughest rules on wall street since the 1930s. same with barnney frank who has written about this. that is just a false charge.
important for us to look at our respective plans, everyone who has offered a plan for the plan that senator sanders put together. they say mine is tougher, more effective because it tries to get not just at the problems of yesterday but the potential problems tomorrow, going after shadow banking and investment banks and big insurance companies, like what we saw in '08 where leihman brothers were principal causes of what happened to us. finally, have gotten maybe 3% of my contributions this time from anybody associated with financial industry activities. i have gotten so much more from students and teachers, 90% of my contributions are from smaller donors and 60% from women. so i'm just -- you know, i
against me, it kind of boost me up, because it assumes i'm going to get the nomination. >> madame secretary, thank you for your time this morning. bernie sanders is up next. later our powerhouse round table takes on the rowdiest week yet on this always-surprising campaign. >> the powerhouse roundtable is brought to you by vote4,energy.org. let's get these dayquil liquid gels and go. but these liquid gels are new. mucinex fast max. it's the same difference. this one is max strength and fights mucus. mucinex fast max. the only cold and flu liquid gel that's max-strength and fights mucus.
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ask your gastroenterologist about humira. with humira, control is possible. we just heard from secretary clinton. we're joined now by senator bernie sanders. thank you for joining us again this morning. senator sanders, covered a lot of ground with secretary clinton. let's go over some of the issues yesterday with you. the back and forth yesterday whether that super pac was going to demand the release of your health records. secretary clinton has released all of her records, will you? >> absolutely, of course, i mean, i think she released a two-page statement on her health records. we'll do the same. >> she welcomes your support of the gun liability. called it a flip flop. time now for you to closing this charleston loophole, will you?
as you know, i have a d-minus voting record from the nra, in 1988 i probably lost an election because i was the only candidate who said we should ban assault weapons. what i said months and months ago was, there were things in the liability bill that i liked and didn't like, wanted to take a look at this bill, now that's going to be introduced to review it and make changes to it. i think the bill makes a lot of sense. what we will do is supportive of this legislation, there's an amendment, though, that i want to see incorporated that's noncontroversial that immonitors the impact of small gun shops in rural america. bottom line is, when a gun shop sells a gun legally to someone and then something bad happens i
>> the three-day waiting, the person gets the gun after three days of waiting no matter. >> we'll take a look at that as well. the issue is, my view has always been and most important is that we have a strong instant background check, i have supported that from day one. i want to see that expanded and improved. look at the end of the day, what every american understands we need to keep the guns out of hands of people shouldn't have guns. >> on health care, you shouldn't tear apart obama care. people should be defending the affordable care act. so, how high will the top tax rate go to pay for it, when will those details be out. >> very shortly.
going to dismember health care in the united states of the america, he's going to do -- millions of people will no longer have the insurance they have, that's nonsense. what everybody understands, a medicare for all program is guaranteeing health care to all people. we still have 29 billion americans who still don't have health care. we spend far, far more per countries. i want to fulfill the vision of people like harry truman and say health care is the right of all people. i hope secretary clinton would join me on that saying that and tell the pharmaceutical industry they can't continue to rip off the american people and charge world. >> isn't it fair for voters in
pay for it? >> you know what, george, i mean, sometimes, the discussion becomes really absurd is that, we'll increase medicare premiums that is true, but we are doing away with all private health insurance premiums and sometimes, it disappoints me that the clinton campaign is sounding like republicans. the truth of the matter is, we spend far more per person on health care and second of all, medicare for all, single-payer system, it would lower the cost of health insurance for the middle class of this country. so, to say yes there will be medicare premiums, yeah, of course there will be, it's not free. >> don't voters have a right to those details before they vote? shouldn't this come out before the iowa caucuses? >> the answer is yes and they will.
yes, and they will. >> secretary clinton's campaign has been making the point of leblgtability. karl rove's campaign is now running an ad against her. in a campaign past positions are going to get scrutiny hp how do you respond about ads circulating about your past positions? you urged congressmen to give serious thought the nationalization of the oil industry. sanders said, all yutties must be under public ownership. >> that was a long, long time ago, before i ever was elected to anything. i was mayor of burlington. people can go back and look at the fact that hillary clinton was i understand it was a
who cares that's a long time ago. >> i was going to ask, what was your thinking then and what changed your mind? >> what i said 40 years ago is less important. you talk about electability. if you look at all of the polls -- almost all of the polls out there today, today, what you find is bernie sanders defeats donald trump by a much larger margin than does hillary clinton in the last national poll, we beat trump by 13 points. if you look at the battle ground states in new hampshire and iowa, we beat them. our appeal is not only to democrats, young people, working-class people but to independents as well. if you're concerned or if the american people are concerned about which candidate has the best opportunity to defeat right-wing republicans i think you're looking at him, bernie sanders.
completely disavow them? >> you know, george, i have been unelected official for 25 years. yes, those positions are what were before i assumed any office. i have a record of eight years as major of the city of burlington. and in the senate. i'm very proud of that record. going back 40, 50 years, that's fine. i don't think people give much kreecredence to that. >> thank you. >> thank you.
just 30 seconds. >> announcer: the powerhouse round job table is brought to you by vote4energy.org. time now for the roundtable. i'm joined by jon karl, republican strategist sara fagen. ej dionne from the washington post and kevin madden and keith ellison who has endorsed bernie sanders. let's begin with the republicans. john karl, is it a two-person race between trump and cruz? >> absolutely in iowa. george i have to say when ted cruz came out with this new york
was a gaffe, what it's done since, it's drawn everyone back to that interview 20 years ago to tim russert, where trump is pro-choice. it may have been a master stroke by ted cruz. >> who's going to get the better of this exchange? >> i think i the person who may get the better of this exchange is the person who finishes third in new hampshire. think about these establishment candidates. there are five points that separate marco rubio and jeb bush and three in between candidates in between, christie, kasich and cruz. this is so early right now. it feels late and yes, there's massive fight going on between trump and cruz. it's definitely far from over. >> kevin, you look at iowa, right now marco rubio in third or fourth place, if these two go
possible he could rocket up? >> i think the iowa race is between trump and cruz. to jon's point, i expected they would drop the new york values attack. the biggest risk for trump right now no one has been 20 on the attack. this feels like it's new at a time for a lot of voters making up their minds in the last 14 days before the caucuses that the idea of a new york liberal could be their nominee would start to worry them. >> keith, so far anyone who has tangled with trump has gone down. >> new york liberal? trump? news to me. i have to stand back and say they're all anti-immigrant. they have tried to divide based on religion. i support bernie, but any democratic candidate that can compare him or herself with these guys is a good thing.
the republican establishment, coming around to the idea that one of these two could really be their nominee. >> it's amazing. i think what it speaks to the transformation of the republican party that i talked about in the book. the party made promises to conservatives that they couldn't keep, rolling back cultural change. trump is the revenge of those voters and the if you look at the primary electorate liberals have left the republican party, moderates are gone. that's why we're talking about cruz and trump. >> it's hard to know what the establishment is now. >> lot of them have gone over the tea party. one thing about new hampshire, independents can pick up a republican ballot. >> and a democratic battle lot.
to you, as i said, you did work for george w. bush. if they're forced to choose between trump and cruz, who do they choose? >> i think they would support ted. >> that's a tough call. >> here's the thing -- you know, ted is a brilliant man, he can be very as bracive. but we also forget that, you know, outside the beltway people don't know any of this. what they see is a young conservative who's very articulate on issues they care about. i don't think that's going to matter to the average primary voter. >> you did see, kevin, this week speaker ryan choose nikki haley to give the response to the state of the union. >> there was also a backlash, so
they were being scolded by this establishment, they feel there's a cannon between them and the republicans in washington. they feel their anger is legitimate and their voices aren't being heard. they don't want another establishment leader in washington to tell them their anger is not legitimate, that's why you saw so much in the talk radio world and so many among the grassroots conservatives to start to push back on nikki haley. >> trump showed restraint against nikki haley. >> that was disciplined restraint. >> more and more polished as a result of that. >> i thought kevin made an excellent point earlier, when he talked about ted cruz introducing this new york values argument, i think this was very smart by ted, it was strategic and it allows an avenue to put
donald trump which there is much, which his record is quite liberal. >> new york used to have a lot of republicans, democrats in south carolina tonight, keith ellison, we saw from the interviews with hillary clinton and bernie sanders, they're going to at it on very different issues. what are you most concerned about? >> i think bernie can hold up under any of these questions. he's been very clear that re recognizes the problems with guns. but i think the bigger worry is, how do we really address the real problems of the american people? which is stagnanting pay, feeling that the whole system is rigged against them, anyone associated with that, they got the main problem and bernie sanders is picking up on this.
conservatives out to look at bernie, he's straight up, honest. >> the other thing he has going for him, ej dionne, this des moines register poll showing that 43% of democratic call kiss goers in iowa identify themselves as socialists. >> they have gone out to see the big short. i think right from the beginning i think it was a mistake to think that bernie couldn't win iowa, as you know, those are very progressive democrats that show up at the caucuses. in new hampshire he's right next door. clinton has to private to the argument, lot of them expect to vote for her, i need you know,
precedent. >> she's got to win. right exactly. >> bernie sanders is in this. he's legit. the numbers are showing it. i think that this argument there are some inevitableility has to be wiped away. >> if karl rove is going after me they must be worried about me. you'll have to find them on a milk carton. >> hillary clinton has been at her worse playing prevent defense. looking like she was inevitable. now, she's railizing, look, bernie sanders can win in iowa and new hampshire, she would be still the front-runner in south carolina. >> let's not forget, nevada
comes before south carolina. you could have a scenario where bernie sanders has won three contests. if she loses three contests. it's going to be hard for her to recover. >> the bernie sanders and hillary clinton are r competing on the issues. >> and one is calling for a massive tax increases which the country can't afford to pay for any of this stuff. >> kevin, a little bit of time left, a lot of people are going to look at this and see bernie sanders and hillary clinton on the democratic side, donald trump and ted cruz on the republican side, michael bloomberg is going to take a look at this, does this make a third-party run inevitable.
you'll see the republicans looking for someone who can actually govern. many of those establishment republicans particularly the donors, i think they believe not only is donald trump bad for the party but for if the country. >> ten seconds. >> rather trump lose and split the party than have him be president. >> lot of talk about paul ryan.