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welcome back. these are some of the sights and sounds in paris earlier this morning as police there in the suburb of saint-denis conducted a raid targeting several suspects connected to the attacks last friday that killed more than 129 people. we're getting word that two of the suspects are dead, including a female suicide bomber. >> that's been such an interesting turn because so far we haven't heard of any female suicide bombers involved in any of this, planning or execution. and the fact to hear that,
pretty surprising this morning. we want to go now to brad garrett, former fbi special agent. we spoke to him earlier this morning and we want to hear a little more about what brad has to hear about this situation. >> reporter: well, one of the keys anytime you're trying to determine if somebody's in a residence, is what intelligence do you have that he's there? in other words, did neighbors call you? did a source call you? what is the situation? and what you try to do is take that and can you actually corroborate it? in other words, what makes you, the police, convinced that this person is in that house? as we just experienced the last couple of days, they entered a house and he wasn't there. they thought he was inside. maybe they had that situation. maybe they don't. but at some point if they have enough time they're going to figure out how to get either cameras or mikes inside a particular location to actually
determine what they can see. and at some juncture, and i think you're reporting, you're hearing noises which may possibly be flash bangs, et cetera, that they may well have entered a residence or an apartment, whatever it might be. >> brad, i was really surprised shortly after these attacks on friday the fbi coming out and saying that they will be upping surveillance in this country and particularly looking for people potentially who suddenly go dark. can you tell us about that and what the fbi is doing post these attacks on friday? >> sure. they've got literally dozens of people they're keeping track of. and what the suggestion is based on what we just saw in paris, is that there is no outward or open communication. now, is there encrypted communication? that remains to be seen. but the key here is that if you have got some players or individuals that you're particularly concerned about then you're going to you up the
surveillance. in other words, the physical surveillance, the electronic surveillance, obviously of cell phones and or hard lines. and i think that's what they're suggesting, that there may be a core group of people that they really have the most concern about, and they're trying to do sort of what they call the ticktock, which is literally the ticktock of their life, where are they, where are they going, who are they associating with, et cetera? >> brad, what happens in a situation like this? they're talking about an area molenbeek in brussels that they believe to be the epicenter where the planning took place. they say this community, it is largely muslim, very tight-knit. how does the fbi or any law enforcement crack any source of community that is very tightnight even if you up the surveillance in that area, the people aren't going to speak, how do you get a tipoff as to what's happening or what people are up to? >> well, the biggest advantage they have today is even people in communities like that -- this know that the behavior that
occurred in paris will come back down on them. and it is in effect i think coming back down on them to a certain extent. so that will get some people to talk to you. but you bring up a point that's been a real issue for the fbi and others during -- since 9/11. you know, there's been complaints from the muslim community that the bureau and other agencies, nypd in particular, are using too aggressive of tactics, they were trying to infiltrate mosques, et cetera. and so you've got that whole component that some of it's working, some of it has not. but you know, it still boils down to two things. human sources and electronic intercepts. and i suspect that's where they're getting the majority of the information that's driving, for example, the current location where they're attempting to apparently go into -- or think about going
into a residence or an apartment. >> all right, brad. i'm just curious about this one thing. because you know, they're saying this morning it's possible abdelhamid abaaoud, and this is the guy suspected behind the "charlie hebdo" attack, the train attack that didn't happen, and now this. and they thought he was in syria, and now it turns out he might possibly be in a suburb of paris in a residential area. does that kind of shock you that that might be the case, that he might have been able to survive there for all this time? >> no. because the ability, particularly in europe, to move around, particularly if you're doing it by car, is just than difficult. and particularly if you have great fake i.d.s and/or somebody else is moving you, i can definitely see that to be a possibility. >> that was former fbi special agent brad garrett giving us a sense of what's going on inside these operations and also here domestically as to how the fbi
we're continuing our coverage of the police raids targeting suspects in the terror attacks in paris. and we want to give you some sound of some eyewitnesses to this morning's raid north of paris. >> i heard an explosion about 20 minutes ago, about six explosions. i didn't count but it was quite a few explosions. it was about 20 minutes ago. >> and what's happening there now? has it gone quiet again there now? >> yes, it seems quiet but then for safety reasons i won't be looking too much. and then, yeah, at least 50 police, army vehicles, and over 100 soldiers, policemen. >> i woke up hearing gunshots. and we could hear it. then we called the police to let them know what's going on and what we heard. and we thought it was like a shooting or something. then she told us that the police
was intervening. it's called the raid police. so we could hear the shootings until 5:30 a.m. i think and we could still hear the helicopters. now they're -- >> and she told me that she was woken up by a huge explosion. police stormed into the sxwlg told her to get down on the floor. she was with her husband and her baby. and she got really scared and spent two hours lying down on the floor. police told her to remain there while they were conducting the operation. then they told her to -- they evacuated her and told her to go to the city hall. she told me she's really, really scared, she was scared for her son, that it was a very traumatic experience. >> you're watching live coverage of abc's situation in france.
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good morning. we're following breaking news out of france. in a french suburb not far from paris, police terror raids taking place there. our alex marquardt is on the ground right now. alex, we're hearing about police potentially injured as well as some arrests potentially. what can you tell us about the situation there? >> reporter: good morning, reena. there had been earlier reports not long after this raid got under way about 4 1/2 hours ago at 4:30 this morning that several police had been injured. what we do know, what we have confirmed with french officials is that one of the suspects that was inside this apartment building that was raided was a woman. she detonated her suicide vest. there are reports from the french news agency that there were at least two others inside that apartment, one of whom was
killed, one of w4078 is still alive. those have not been confirmed. in the last few minutes there has been activity after a rather quiet period easter the last hour and 15 minutes or so. after we heard a loud series of explosions which we believe to have been sound grenades, the kind that police would use as they storm a house. and what's happening now is until now there had been a series of police vehicles here that were blocking the view but in the last few moments they've been moving around. you can see here in front of me a police officer with his rifle at the ready. they've just put on their helmets. there's a lot more activity here. cars driving away -- moments ago out of nowhere a lot of the police officers who had been here just took off running toward another area in this paris suburb. we all went chasing after them to see what was happening. -- minutes they turned back around and came back here with no word as to why. so again, we understand from the french justice ministry that
this raid is either coming to an end or has come -- relatively quiet for the past 75 minutes or so. the french have said that the target of this raid is abdelhamid abaaoud. he is believed to be the mastermind, the organizer of these attacks on friday night that left 129 people dead. very prominent member of isis. he's from belgium. 26 years old. and he was believed to be in syria. now he may be in france. that is the big question to answer this morning. >> that is a big question. many are wondering how he was able to get into that neighborhood, which is a residential neighborhood just north of the city of paris. we're going to continue to follow the developments taking place this morning in paris. police targeting the suspects in friday's terrible attacks on paris. >> and as alex marquardt said, those terror raids coming to an end. we do know a series of terror raids taking place the past few days throughout the country. we will have more live coverage right here on abc. you're watching "world news now."
good morning on this wednesday november 18th. this is a special edition of "world news now." >> we're following breaking news from france. >> gunfire and police raids north of paris. the search for suspected terrorists takes a new turn, a dramatic one. we're going to take you to the scene. raids targeting paris's mastermind. that is what police have told us they believe that they have focused on this area in a suburb not too far from paris, specifically in an apartment complex. initially they believed there were two suspects holed up inside. and there have been several developments that have been taking place just within the last few hours. all of this playing out 4:30 in the morning, paris time, 10:30 eastern time last night here on the east coast. we want to get to our alex marquardt who has been on the scene shortly after all of this started going down. alex, what do you know now?
>> reporter: well, good morning, kendis. well, just a short few seconds ago the clock tower here in the center of saint-denis tolled 9:00. that raid started taking place around 4:30 this morning when police launched it with a very intensive strike. there were loud volleys of gunfire heard. explosions. that lasted for quite some time. we understood there were several wounded among the police. we've been on the scene now for around two hours. about an hour and a half ago we heard a loud series of explosions which we believe to be sound grenades or concussion grenades if you will that police often use in sieges and -- we understand from the french justice ministry is that this raid is either coming to an end or has finished. it has been relatively quiet here for quite some time. there have been flurries of activity every so often but it has been quiet in terms of the firing, the explosions and so on. we also understand from french
officials that one of the suspects who was holed up in this apartment around 200 meters down that road, maybe you can see the police lights blinking down there, was a woman, and she detonated her suicide vest. we understand from the french news agency agence france-presse that there were at least two other suspects in there, one of whom is now believed to be dead. reena? >> alex, there were two big developments overnight. one was the fact there was a second suspect on the run they were looking for. and also the fact to hear from your reporting this morning that there was a female who had an explosive vest and detonated. how surprised were you to hear that there was female involvement in this operation? >> reporter: well, one would have to assume given the complexity of this operation that it was highly coordinated. we're talking about the friday night attacks that killed 129 people. that these were suicide bombers. in the heart of europe. at many different locations. this was a highly coordinated, very well-organized attack that
would have taken months to organize. french officials and other international officials have said it was organized from syria. and so it would have taken well beyond the initial eight attackers that they believe were involved in this attack. you have to imagine there were -- who were involved. so it's really not fa far-fetched to imagine there were also women involved in this attack. you have to remember that thousands of people from europe have gone to join isis in syria and many of them have been women. they're often referred to as isis brides. they don't generally see any sort of frontline fighting. many of them go to the de facto capital, raqqah. isis's de facto capital raqqah in syria. so it's really not all that surprising that they would have a female accomplice. now, to your previous point, until last night it was believed that there had been eight attackers on friday night, seven of whom died during the attacks. one became the prime suspect. his name is salah abdeslam.
he's a 26-year-old belgian. he is believed to be alive, on the run. an international manhunt has been launched to find him. but then late last night in a big new development the french came out saying there was a possible ninth attacker who could have been involved. that's being based off of cctv, closed circuit video of one of the incidents that showed three people in a car rather than two people. so a second suspect has -- still alive, has been added to this list by french authorities. kendis, reena? >> and alex, the french prosecutors have been saying all morning long that the target of the raids that took place in saint-denis right there behind you has been abdelhamid abaaoud, who was the mastermind behind all of this. how surprising is it for you who have been covering this since the very start to hear he might have possible have been right there in that residential neighborhood? >> reporter: not just surprising
but scary. this is the nightmare scenario that french and european and american intelligence agencies all fear. you have thousands of fighters from these countries who have gone to syria to fight. and if this turns out to be true, and we know it has happened in previous occasions, make their way back to europe and join cells or form cells here in europe. we believe there are these sleeper cells not just in europe but in the united states. so it would be embarrassing to the french intelligence services and to interpol. it would be extremely scary, as i mentioned. but it is something of the chickens coming home to roost. this is something that officials have feared for quite some time. this belgian, abdelhamid abaaoud, he's a 26-year-old originally of moroccan descent. he is not someone who has just stood on the sidelines. he is someone who has risen to quite some prominence within the isis ranks, appearing in many of
their propaganda videos, most notably some of the most brutal propaganda videos where they execute foreigners and people who are against them. so this is someone who is quite well known. he was believed to have organized this from vsyria. if it does indeed turn out to be true he is here in france that would be quite embarrassing and disturbing. >> absolutely. quite a few developments in the paris suburb of saint-denis where our alex marquardt is standing by for us. alex, thank you. we want to go to another part of this area, to matt gutman who's standing by as well. matt, we're hearing right now, breaking news from the associated press, that there have been three arrested in that paris suburb. have you seen any arrests and what are you hearing on the ground right now? >> reporter: we've seen a number of people being led out with their hands on their heads. we don't know if they were arrested. apparently, everybody in this entire area, in the perimeter, has to be probably about half a square mile, has been ordered to stay in their home. so anybody who's out and about
could be considered a suspect. no reports on who was arrested or the exact target. but as alex just mentioned, clearly the number one target right now in the french crosshairs, abdelhamid abaaoud, is someone who's suspected to have been in this location. and that's why we noticed police being so jittery. we've been here for a few days, and it has been clear that france is on high alert and that they're extremely eager and keen on finding the suspects in this case and having the mastermind right here in northern paris of both of these attacks, as alex said, is not only an embarrassment, it also speaks to what has happened with french intelligence. what seems to be an entire collapse in the ability to discern whether or not their top target is in fact right beneath their noses. what we can say is that still hundreds and hundreds of police officers, heavily armed, wearing body armor around their
shoulders and of course covering their chests with automatic weapons have been spread out around this perimeter ordering people back. we've seen them rush in. the army has come in as well. and that is possibly a source of all that gunfire you heard earlier. and it's been sporadic. and that's one of the things that's possibly most surprising about this, is how long it has lasted. probably about four hours now since the first reports of gunfire and we've heard additional gunfire, sometimes dozens of bullets, sometimes a single shot, and of course ten explosions that we heard as well which probably sounded like small explosions. they could have been stun grenades. which speak to possibly some sort of arrest going on or continuing siege and attempt to try to capture people alive rather than killing them. so this continues to be an ongoing and very large operation, possibly the finale of this attack if in fact -- of the paris attacks from any killing 129 people. if in fact french authorities have managed to corner or
possibly arrest abdelhamid abaaoud. >> all right, matt. and i know you've been on the move. we saw where saint-denis is there just about 30 minutes north of central paris. matt, you've been on the move in this area. does it seem as though the situation is calming down a little bit? by the way, these are live pictures of that neighborhood. >> reporter: it does. it seems that police are a little bit more relaxed. but every once in a while they seem to be sprinting somewhere. in addition to that, every time that somebody comes out of one of these buildings, and this is a working-class neighborhood, so when we came in here at about 6:00 a.m. there were still some people, you know, coming out and about, getting their coffee, about to go to work. a lot of them were sent running. some of them came out of their houses with their hands on their heads. nobody wanted to be considered a suspect or threatening in any way to the police officers out here because they were twitchy and they physically pushed back the press multiple times every time we got even near their perimeter. so very, very edgy here. and again, kendis, all these people in this entire neighborhood have been ordered
by the governing authorities to stay indoors. i don't think that that has been rescinded yet. 12 schools have been closed today around here. kids not going to school. this entire area is on lockdown. and again, police couldn't be any more jittery than they are right now. >> matt, i want to take you -- we've got some breaking news. paris prosecutor's office saying that they have made five arrests overnight, three from inside that apartment. three people have been detained. we don't know exactly what their identities are. but we do know a man and a woman came close to the apartment. they have also been detained in this process. >> and then you also have that woman who set herself -- ignited her explosive belt, who is dead this morning. matt, we're going to check back with you, but we're going to take a quick break right now. and on the other side of this break we're going to hear from some of the eye and ear witnesses to this morning's police raid in paris.
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for those of you joining us now, we have breaking news coverage from raids in paris not far from a paris suburb as the country there is attempting to recover from the attacks. we are learning from these raids overnight that there were five people arrested, three from inside an apartment building that's just 30 minutes from paris. there are people that have been detained. no information on the identities. we do know that a man and woman who attempted to get close to the apartment building were also detained as well, and one woman did set off her explosive suicide velvet.
>> and we're told that the target of all these raids was the mastermind behind the attacks that took place on friday, abdelhamid abaaoud. in the meantime, though, as this was all playing out around 4:30 in the morning paris time, many residents in the neighborhood in saint dennis were waking up to these sounds. take a listen. >> i heard an explosion, about 20 minutes ago, about six explosions. well, i didn't count, actually, but it was quite a few explosions. that was about 20 minutes ago. >> and what's happening there now? has it gone quiet now? >> yes, it seems quiet, but for safety reasons i won't be looking too much. and then yeah, at least 50 police army vehicles and over 100 soldiers, policemen. i saw that people were posting it, posting about the shooting. and then at that time i realized that there was a shooting and then i informed all my friends and flatmates and people around
the area. and then yeah, there were continuous gunshots for it felt like over half an hour. >> i woke up hearing gunshots. i went out to the window and we could hear it. then we called the police to let them know what's going on and what we heard, and we thought it was like a shooting or something. but then she told us that the police was intervening. it's called a raid police. so we could hear the shootings until 5:30 a.m., i think. and then we could still see the helicopters flying. and now -- we just want to be safe and we don't think about being near some terrorists or something like that. we never thought it could ever happen in my town. it's very weird to see that and
terrifying. places we go often on tv with the police. that's terrifying. i'm just shaking right now. >> she told me that she was woken up by a huge explosion. police stormed into the building and told her to get down on the floor. she was with her husband and her -- who's a baby. and she got really scared and she spent two hours lying down on the floor. police told her to remain there while they were conducting the operation. then they told her -- they evacuated her and told her to go to the city hall. that's where -- she told me she was really, really scared. she was scared for her son and that it was a very traumatic experience. >> you hear the eyewitness tell all of this that was taking place in the paris suburb of saint-denis this morning. and even at this hour, i would say about five hours after all of this started this morning,
you can see police still have a big and heavy presence there in that neighborhood north of paris. >> and immediately after those attacks on paris, on friday there were air strikes shortly after in syria. now we are seeing a series of raids that have taken place. at least a minimum of 168 raids over the past few days. what you are looking at is 30 minutes from the suburbs of paris in this middle-class neighborhood. heavy police presence. we knew there were at least ten explosions, gunfire erupting throughout this street there, and then we are hearing that the entire raid has finished, that five arrests were made and one woman set off a suicide vest. >> we were told that some police officers were injured as a result of this morning raid. we haven't gotten the full extent of what those injuries are. and we haven't gotten the full identity as yet as to who might have been arrested, those five people. >> and we will have more on the man, the focus that police say was behind these raids. stay with us. you're watching "world news now."
our continuing coverage of raids taking place in a paris suburb, targeting those who were behind the terrorist attacks in paris. >> we know that police have been focusing on who they believe to be the masterminds of those terrorist attacks. abdelhamid abaaoud. and we want to go to the streets of france there to our abc's alex marquardt, who has been watching this unfold. alex, what are you seeing right now? >> reporter: good morning, reena. well, this raid started around 4:30, about 4 1/2 hours ago, just over 4 1/2 hours ago, and we understand it has come to an end according to the justice ministry. there has been a bit of a flurry of activity behind us in the course of the past few minutes. what looked to be police special forces wearing ski masks have just walked away from us.
for much of the past two hours that we've been here it has been relatively calm in this immediate vicinity. but in the last, say, half an hour there has been a bit more activity with these police officers putting on their body armor and helmets and they have their guns at the ready. now, the big question right now is whether this mastermind of these friday attacks, abdelhamid abaaoud, was indeed arrested. he was the target of these -- of this raid today. we understand from the prosecutor's office that five arrests were made, three from inside the apartment and another man and woman close to the apartment. unknown if abaaoud was in -- among them. >> all right. our alex marquardt there with the latest on the situation there in paris. we're going to reset and give you the very latest right after this break. >> and right after that break we will talk with a witness who was locked inside the apartment not far from where this took place. please stay with us. [ man ] look how beautiful it is.
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thank you for joining us. we have continuing breaking news out of france. where we're looking at a area just 30 minutes from paris, an area that has been a focus of police activity. >> yeah. as we continue to look at that activity that's taking place there, we want to bring in our elizabeth hur, who has been following something else that was developing overnight, where we have these two planes that were diverted. and elizabeth, as we bring you in, we are getting this word from the desk that there were no explosives found on the air france plane that was diverted to halifax. but reset. tell us what happened with these two planes. >> reporter: yeah, kendis and reena, certainly that's the good news and the update we were all hoping for. what we know at this point, at least according to air france officials, is this. they tell us that two of their planes received anonymous threats, bomb threats were called in just after takeoff.
one left los angeles. the other took off from d.c. you no, out of an abundance of caution airline officials say they decided to request that both of though planes make an emergency landing. again, one landing in salt lake, the other in halifax. the late word that we are getting is that obviously their pliert on location was to make sure that all the passengers and the crew members were safe. they were safely deplaned. then canine officers and investigators got on the plane, and according to fbi officials they found no explosives on these planes. in fact, we have gotten word that the plane that was grounded in salt lake city, that was already been cleared and it is now back in the air and on its way to paris. officials in halifax, they tell us that that plane has also been cleared and what's happening right now is obviously what to do with the passengers who have been deplaned and how to get them back en route back to paris. so this investigation is continuing, but the good news,
according to the fbi, no explosives were found. and of course the next step right now is to figure out who called in the threats. and of course that's the source to see what happened here. >> have we heard anything more, elizabeth, from the faa? do we expect anything to change as far as security on flights here in the u.s.? >> reporter: at least at this point according to the faa officials they are so far just confirming the details that we have been reporting, that yes, we can confirm that these two flights were diverted. and yes, these -- all of the passengers, first and foremost, are safe and now back on their route to paris. this investigation is continuing. at this time no changes at the airports. but obviously, they're closely monitoring. kendis and reena? >> it really does give you a sense of how stressful things are for many people at this hour. thank you, elizabeth hur reporting from here in our headquarters. >> and we will be continuing our live coverage. breaking news out of france, where terror raids have taken place.
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good morning on this wednesday move 18th. this is a special edition of "world news now." >> we're following breaking news from france. >> gunfire and police raids north of paris. you see the scene there earlier. the suspected terrorists under arrest. and all the breaking developments from france. good morning, everyone. i'm kendis gibson. >> and i'm reena ninan. helicopters, gunfire, stun grenades. we've heard all of these explosions overnight. right now we have on the ground abc's alex marquardt. alex, what are you hearing from police at this hour? >> reporter: good morning, reena. well, the justice department tells us that this raid has wrapped up and that coincides with what we're seeing here on the ground. it has been relatively quiet for the past two hours. the last thing that we heard was a flurry or series of loud explosions that were probably
concussion grenades or sound grenades that police used to stun people when they carry out these raids. what we understand from the paris prosecutor's office is that five arrests were made. three from inside that apartment building that is about 200 yards down the road from us and two other people, a man and a woman who were near that apartment building. now, the big question this morning is whether one of those five people arrested is abdelhamid abaaoud. he is believed to be the ringleader, the organizer of this series of attacks that took place on friday night that left 129 people dead. he is a 27-year-old belgian that was believed to be in syria with isis. he is a prominent member of isis. he has been featured in many of their propaganda videos trying to recruit fellow europeans, fellow french speakers, but also in some of the more barbaric propaganda videos as well in which they show the executions of those who have turned -- or those they accuse of turning against isis.
so as i mentioned, he was believed to be in syria. we understand from french officials this morning that the target of this raid was indeed abaaoud. and so the big question this morning that we're waiting to hear is whether he was among those five arrested in that apartment. >> something so different, alex, is the fact this man is a belgian national. he wasn't someone in syria who found a way to make it over. he was from the country itself. how is that affecting the way police are going about their -- lookingmay be associated with him? >> reporter: this is essentially the nightmare scenario. this is the chickens coming home to roost. we know that thousands of europeans from belgium, from france, in elsewhere have gone to join isis in syria. particularly from belgium, which in terms of -- has the highest per capita number proportionately of fighters who have been to join isis. specifically from one
neighborhood in brussels called molenbeek. and that's where this -- where abaaoud is from. he's believed to have traveled from belgium to syria. he claimed in an isis magazine to have then come back to belgium and was part of a cell in a town called verviers near the border with germany. i was actually in that town in january when police carried out a raid on that cell, killing several members and seizing a large weapons cache as well as police uniforms indicatesing they were ready to carry out some sort avenue tack. then abaaoud reappeared in syria claiming he was able to slit through the net of belgian and european intelligence. so if indeed abaaoud made his way back to europe, to france and coordinated this attack, that is not only deeply embarrassing for the european intelligence services but also deeply disturbing because it goes to show what many others
like him who have gone to join isis in syria may be able to do. >> and alex, i'm curious. you say it's embarrassing. but also we look at this neighborhood that's right there around you. it looks like any other parisian neighborhood, any other french neighborhood. there are a lot of people there who might have recognized had guy. his picture has been out there. how surprising is it that no one in this particular neighborhood said anything? and is that telling of the people who live in that area? >> reporter: well, you're absolutely right. this is a very nice neighborhood. it is a working-class neighborhood. it's a suburb of paris. we're right now the stade de france, which is where three of the suicide bombings took place on friday night. we're on a square right here called place victor hugo. and what you can't see is the beautiful cathedral behind me. so your question is absolutely right. why would someone from a neighborhood like this -- or why would someone from a neighborhood like molenbeek in belgium go to join the fighters in syria? now, both in france and in belgium there are large muslim populations, large populations
of young muslims, men who are -- who feel disenchanted, disconnected with french and belgian society, particularly the more secular society. unemployment rates are high. and they don't feel like they have much of a future. so these areas, not really saint-denis where i am here, but what they call the banlieue, the suburbs outside of paris that are a fair bit grittier than what you see here, have essentially become breeding grounds for jihadist groups like isis. these young men who don't feel like they have much future in those cities make ripe targets for groups like isis. and that's exactly what abaaoud was doing, was trying to recruit people from these neighborhoods in france and belgium to the cause. >> and we know just how successful isis has been both on social media and live in person at recruiting people. we want to go to matt gutman.
alex, thank you first of all for your reporting. we want to go to matt gutman also on the ground in saint-denis. matt, what can you tell us? >> reporter: right now it seems like this operation is coming to a close. you can see the police still have that perimeter set up about 20 yards away from us. and down that boulevard, about 400 yards away, is where all of this shooting happened. now, we heard it originally about 4:30 a.m. local time here in paris. we came here about 45 minutes later. heard reports of gunfire. then about an hour after that we heard a number of explosions, possibly concussion grenades, stun grenades, which could have been part of the siege or the arrests that have been made. five people have been detained according to the french justice ministry. two people are dead, one woman apparently detonated a suicide vest she was wearing either during or at some point during the siege that has basically been going on for about four hours now. and what is surprising is that france is a country where you
don't see that many security personnel on the street. it's very low-key. during the million man, million person march after the "charlie hebdo" attacks earlier this year there were hundreds of thousands of people in the streets marching quietly, and there was almost no security presence. but what we saw here this morning was pretty impressive. at first it started with a very small cordon of police because we got here pretty soon after it happened, just a couple of police officers who stopped us and ordered us off the road. told to us park and get away. they actually did it at gunpoint. then more and more anti-terrorism commandos arrived wearing balanclavas. then we saw three giant truckloads of military personnel unload, red berets, possibly paratroopers. clearly they were mounting this assault and many shots fired. but whatever is going on is several hundred yards down the frood us.
it does seem like it's coming to an end. we've had silence coming out of there possibly for about 45 minutes. nothing major happening. what has been happening in this community is it is absolutely frozen. the local governor has close the all the schools. 12 schools are closed. they told people who live in thissing-class community to not go to work, stay in their homes, it's not safe to get out. earlier when we arrived it was before dawn, we saw anybody coming out into the street beyond that police perimeter, they had their hands on their head, and he believed they might have been suspects, and police certainly treated them as such until they identified them as such. it was incredibly tense and still is. there are a number of onlookers right now just trying to get a feel for what's going on, but most people are in the buildings around us. you see them peering through the curtains to see what's going on downstairs. but right now it doesn't seem like about to end anytime soon in terms of the police presence, but i think most of the violence, the arrests, and
whatever happened down there seems to be coming to a close. >> matt, what can you tell us? we know this population is a residential community. you were talking about how police specifically said don't leave your homes. but what's the guidance now? we know there are close to over 100 people under house arrest. nearly 200 raids that have been conducted over the past few days. but what's the sense for the people on the ground who are just trying to live a normal life, like go to school? what have you been witnessing over the past few days? >> reporter: it's been almost -- there are two sides of france and specifically paris right now. one is the side that is trying to show triumph over tragedy, the one that exalted last night watching the france-britain game. we were at a pub looking at people and watching them drink and try to enjoy the name. they were standing arm in arm singing the marseillaise and
expressing the soul of the city which is about revelry, going out and enjoying the company of your good friends, drinking wine and drinking beer and enjoying this fantastic place. the other side this jittery edgy side of this city and we experienced that on sunday during one of five major stampedes. panics. triggered by almost nothing. apparently, one of them was triggered by firecrackers. another was simply a phantom experience. but we were out in the square, the place de la republique. thousands of people emptied just within seconds. police training their weapons on something, they weren't quite sure what it was, but it was a very harrowing experience. and again, it was just all about fear. and there's a lot of that still right here. >> yeah, matt. and we appreciate your report there and continuing that whole conversation about fear. i want to update something that we've been following since last night around 11:00 eastern time. in were two air france planes, big planes that were diverted, one from dulles. this is the one that came out of l.a. it was an a-380 that was diverted to salt lake city and a
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30 minutes from the heart of paris. these are live pictures coming in now. and these pictures are coming in more than five hours after a massive police raid went down in this neighborhood. we are told now that five people have been arrested, three from inside an apartment, two from outside. a female suicide bomber detonated her vest as police were closing in. all of this relating to the attacks that took place in paris on friday. >> and as we watch these pictures of the streets of france, we wonder how this could impact the homeland here in the united states. you can't help but wonder if this could happen in washington, d.c. or los angeles or tampa, florida. we're going to bring in -- earlier this morning we spoke with former fbi special agent brad garrett who talked to us about what law enforcement are doing to secure the homeland. >> well, one of the keys anytime you're trying to determine if somebody's in a residence is what intelligence do you have
that he's there? in other words, did neighbors call you? did a source call you? what is the situation? and then what you try to do is take that and can you actually corroborate it? in other words, what makes you, the police, convinced that this person is in that house? you know, as we just experienced the last couple of days, they entered a house and he wasn't there. they thought he was inside. so maybe they have that situation, maybe they don't. but at some point if they have enough time they're going to figure out how to get either cameras or mikes inside a particular location to actually determine what they can see. and at some juncture, and i think you're reporting you're hearing noises, which may possibly be flash bangs, et cetera. that they may well have entered, you know, a residence or an apartment, whatever it might be. >> brad, i was really surprised. shortly after these attacks on friday the fbi coming out and
saying that they will be upping surveillance in this country and particularly looking for people potentially who suddenly go dark. can you tell us about that and what the fbi is doing post these attacks on friday? >> sure. they've got literally dozens of people they're keeping track of. and what the suggestion is, based on what we just saw in paris, is that there is no outward or open communication. now, is there encrypted communication? that remains to be seen. but the key here is that if you've got some players or individuals that you're particularly concerned about then you're going to up the surveillance. in other words, the physical surveillance. the electronic surveillance. obviously, of cell phones and/or hard lines. and i think that's what they're suggesting, that there may be a core group of people they really have the most concern about, and they're trying to do sort of what they call the tick-tock, which is literally the tick-tock of their life, where are they, where are they going, who are
they associating with, et cetera. >> brad, what happens in a situation like this? they're talking about an area, molenbeek in brussels, that they believe to be the epicenter where the planning took place. they say this community, it is largely muslim, that very tight-knit. how does the fbi or any law enforcement crack any sort of community that is very tight-knit? even if you up the surveillance in that area. the people aren't going to speak. how do you get a tipoff as to what's happening or what people are up to? >> well, the biggest advantage they have today is even people in communities like that -- this know that the behavior that occurred in paris will come back down on them. and it is in effect i think coming back down on them to a certain extent. so that will get some people to talk to you. but you bring up a point that's been a real issue for the fbi and others during -- since 9/11.
there's been complaints from the muslim community that the bureau and other agencies, nypd in particular, were using too aggressive of tactics. they were trying to infiltrate mosques, et cetera. and so you've got that whole component, that some of its worked, some of it has not. but it still boils down to two things -- human sources and electronic intercepts. and i suspect that's where they're getting the majority of the information that's driving, for example, the current location where they're attempting to apparently go into or think about going into a residence or an apartment. >> all right, brad. i'm just curious about this one thing. they're saying this morning that it's possible abdelhamid abaaoud, and this is a guy that's suspected behind the "charlie hebdo" attack, the train attack that didn't happen, and now this, and they thought that he was in syria and now it turns out he might possibly be
in a suburb of paris in a residential area? does that kind of shock you that that may be the case, that he might have been able to survive there for all this time? >> no. because the ability particularly in europe to move around, particularly if you're doing it by car, is just not that difficult. and particularly if you have great fake i.d.s and/or somebody else is moving you, i can definitely see that to be a possibility. >> all right. former fbi special agent brad garrett joining us a little bit earlier. we'll be right back.
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boom. and i don't start -- 15 -- shotgun and that don't stop. everyone run in the street. police. police talk us to go home and stay safe with family. >> how many gunshots did you here? >> around 50. i don't know. yeah, a lot. a lot. a bomb. shots. a lot. >> now, raheel, do you have any sense -- police say they're focusing on the man who may be behind the attacks on friday. is there any sense, do you know who this guy is and potentially was there any buzz in the community? do you think he might be there? >> i don't know. i don't know who they are -- if terrorists about the attack of saturday on paris, i don't know
but he was wanted and he watts saint-denis. >> he possibly might have been in your neighborhood. you mentioned you heard 50 gunshots. and now to hear that these suspects might have been in your neighborhood. how frightening was that? >> how what? >> how scary? >> me, i'm not scary. i don't realize again. my mother, she's crazy. she don't go outside. people are scared. but me it's -- >> i can understand. he's saying his mother was quite scared. he heard so many shots. raheel, we appreciate you joining us. >> raheel mohammed, an eyewitness from the suburb of saint-denis. we'll
breaking news this morning in france, heavy gunfire and explosions in an early morning raid targeting the mastermind behind the paris attacks. >> a standoff as the sun rises. police storming a suburban neighborhood. a dramatic turn in the terror investigation. we have live team coverage. on this wednesday morning we continue with abc news breaking coverage out of france. a raid targeting the alleged mastermind of the terror attacks in paris. >> the sights and