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>> announcer: starting right now on "this week with george stephanopoulos" -- ready for cleveland. the reality tv star about to be crowned the gop nominee, and after a tortured vp search, the big reveal. >> the next vice president of the united states, governor mike pence. >> announcer: the unconventional candidate makes a conventional choice. will it pay off with his party? plus, our new poll reflecting the deep divide. and a steep drop for hillary. and terror fears. tragedy in nice. tanks in the streets of turkey. what the worldwide instability means for the fight against terror. from abc news, it's "this week" live from the republican national convention in cleveland, ohio. here now, chief anchor, george stephanopoulos.
>> good morning from the quicken loans arena in cleveland. the gop convention opens here tomorrow, and donald trump may break tradition again by taking the stage on the convention's first night. it would be just the latest surprise in the most unpredictable presidential race we have ever seen, and this convention, this entire city braced for more. cleveland is armed to the teeth barricaded block by block in the wake of recent terror attacks here at home and abroad, orlando and dallas, nice, france, and now turmoil in turkey. that terror, the anxiety and anger it is creating may well define this race, and for the brand-new republican ticket, the stakes of this convention are sky high. donald trump likely bought some peace with his new party by picking conservative favorite mike pence to be his running mate but that rollout was pure trump. after a 28-minute riff on everything from hillary clinton to his new hotel in washington, d.c., trump turned over the stage to the man he called his first choice for veep.
>> i found the leader who will help us deliver a safe society and a prosperous, really prosperous society for all americans. i also admire the fact that he fights for the people and he's going to fight for you. he is a solid, solid person. >> this week that new team has its best chance to make a case for change in washington. and our brand-new abc news/"washington post" poll shows they will be speaking to a deeply divided country pretty disgusted with both candidates. a remarkable 58% of registered voters now say they are dissatisfied with the choice before them. the top line, hillary clinton draws 47%, donald trump at 43%. that's a sharp drop for clinton from her 12-point lead in june. the poll makes clear both candidates enter the convention with huge challenges. 64% have an unfavorable view of donald trump. hillary clinton at 54% and coming off the fbi director's blistering criticism of her as extremely careless, 72% now say hillary clinton is too willing to bend the rules.
donald trump's big weakness, 60% call him unqualified. majorities of republicans and democrats now say they're voting against the other side rather than for their own candidate. some pretty sobering numbers there. so let's bring in jon karl. he's going to be here with us in cleveland all week, and, jon, we have never seen voters so unhappy with their choices heading into the conventions. >> reporter: that's for sure, george. i mean look at the numbers you just cited. the fact that 60% of voters do not think that donald trump is qualified to be president would be crippling going into a general election, except for the fact that so many voters simply don't trust hillary clinton and her honesty and trustworthy problem has actually gotten worse in the wake of the e-mail scandal. i've talked to republicans who fear that they may be nominating the one republican who cannot beat hillary clinton, and i've talked to democrats who believe or fear that they may be nominating the one democrat who could lose to donald trump. >> a lot of republicans here though do seem to be happy with
this choice that donald trump did settle on, mike pence, to be his running mate. it certainly shores him up with conservatives. >> reporter: well absolutely helps him right here at this convention, george. mike pence is a no doubt about it conservative republican, well liked by the very groups that do not trust donald trump in the republican party. so it helps and once and for all the idea of some kind of an anti-trump uprising here at the convention, but you saw that opening announcement, i do not expect that pence will be out there much side by side with donald trump. >> okay, jon, thanks. let's get more on this now from the chair of the rnc, reince priebus. thank you for joining us mr. chair. let's tart out with a reality check, july 2014, you and your committee picked cleveland and picked the quicken loans arena. did you have any idea that donald trump would be the nominee? >> no, i didn't but actually i think he gives us a great opportunity to win and i think this place looks incredible. the stage is fantastic and people are really excited to be here and the city is beautiful and i'm excited about the week to come. >> you say he gives you a great
opportunity to win and our new pole out this morning shows he's closed the gap somewhat with hillary clinton. we show a four-point race now among registered voters but still have 60% of americans who don't think he's qualified to be president. that's a killer number. >> well, reagan had the same problem in 1979 going into 1980 and i think what it does show in reality is that he has a lot of space to grow, and i think as he pivots to the general election picking mike pence, i think he's much more precise in his rhetoric and his tone and his attack. i think he's got a lot of room to grow. >> you think that 28-minute riff yesterday before introducing >> are -- >> well, look, i think he spent a few days with things going on and didn't have a chance to respond to and it's donald trump. he wants to respond. you know how he is, but i think that he also knows and i know how he is in private. i know we talk about and what we have meetings about and he's there. he knows the pivot is important. he has been better and i think
he's going to be great moving forward. i think thursday night is a critical night for him delivering a great speech, the balloon drop and the people in this country saying, i can see donald trump being in the white house. i think he's presidential. and it's the same thing that happened in 1980 when the bottom fell out of carter when people said, ronald reagan can be president. i can trust him and i see him in the white house. >> so that's the bar. you think if you can bring down that qualifying number he wins. >> he wins easily. i mean if people, number one, who do you want to have a beer with is a great question on a ballot. he can win that. he's likable and people that don't know, they want to like him, he's interesting to people. he's intriguing. but they want to see that donald trump in the white house and he's getting there and he's going to pivot there. mike pence is a mature pick. i think it's going to help and i also think he gets it totally. >> clearly mike pence is going to help you here in the convention hall this week but democrats already taking aim at him saying he's going to hurt especially with women. let's take a look. ♪
>> are you willing to hold up this entire budget over defunding planned parenthood? >> well, of course i am. >> i long for the day that roe versus wade is sent to the ash heap of history. >> are you concerned at all that mike pence is going to hold you back with the voters you need to attract in the general election? >> no, i don't think so because i think -- in many cases they look at the top of the ticket but i also think that when you lay it out to the american people in regard to planned parenthood and late-term abortion and a lot of craziness that went on with selling fetal parts and all of those sort of disgusting things people get that -- >> there was never any proof of selling fetal parts. >> okay, i'm not going to go down that road with you but the point is is that even if we don't discuss that part, most americans agree that federal money, their tax money shouldn't be used to help pay for abortions. and so that piece alone is something that the american people are with us on. as far as whether planned
parenthood, you know, provides, you know, contraceptives or things like that, that's something that gets in the middle but i think you focus in on that. i think most americans are with us but they also look to the top of the ticket. >> you still got some never trump delegates agitating. shut them down effectively in the committees friday but many are saying they'll look for ways to bring a surprise on the convention floor, maybe force a roll call that will delay the whole proceedings. how worried are you about that? >> if you want to delay the proceedings, all they're doing is delaying the evening and helping hillary clinton. i mean, there is no candidate. to those people, who is your vp? what money are you raising? what is your goal other than to distract and cause problems? look -- >> you sound pretty irritated by that. >> no, we offered -- we worked together to get a really good deal together and at the last second it just didn't happen and so they didn't have the votes and i'm sorry, but, you know, they don't like the idea that 14 million people in grass roots picked someone that they didn't want to support, well, it's
either -- it's a binary choice, it's donald trump or hillary clinton and hillary clinton will give us two more sonia sotomayors and she's not going to sign a paul ryan budget. we're here to help save our country and have a binary choice and donald trump will be the person to do it. >> you think they'll disrupt the proceedings. >> i don't know if -- i don't think so, but, listen, i'm not going to just shut people down, but i'm also going to make sure that our rules are followed and i don't think they're going to be successful. i don't think there's the support there. we demonstrated that last week. we were prepared, prepared for this week. and we'll be ready to go. >> compare the conventions. when you look ahead to the democrats, they're going to have two presidents supreme. they're going to have the sitting first lady, the sitting vice president and your convention, the two last republican presidents are not appearing, the two last nominees are not appearing. how much does that concern you? >> it really doesn't because i've been through, been chairman at the last convention and we didn't have the last two -- our
presidents there, which is their choice and we love them dearly. not the -- the same thing happened in st. paul. you know, i think that the reality is is that there's a shift in mood in this country that's very anti-washington. the movement on both parties was bernie sanders and donald trump, we ended up picking the movement candidate. they didn't pick the movement candidate. and i just have a feeling like surrounding hillary clinton with all of these sort of politicians and political fixtures, i don't know what that gets her. i think that, yoi think we will >> this is donald trump's convention. do you expect any more surprises this week? >> you know, there will be a few surprises and i think it's going to be a little bit different. i don't think it will be as much back-to-back-to-back four minutes, four minutes from every politician in america. there will be some of that and some fun as well. >> go out on a limb. how much of a bounce do you get? >> i just want a bounce.
going to go a long way for donald trump in pivoting to the general. >> mr. chairman, thanks. good luck this week. >> you bet. you heard it from the top of the gop. now let's hear from some voters. all this week our martha raddatz was on the road from dallas to cleveland talking to voters about their hopes and fears in this wild election year. >> reporter: five days, 1,500 miles from dallas to cleveland. a week in the life of america, or it sometimes felt of many americas. >> when i get pulled over, assaulted, these police are scared of black men, period. >> from what i see on tv, i mean, there's a lot of angry people. >> i've never been stopped by a cop and feared for my life. >> reporter: on our first day, i met brian and erin bent who live in the tidy dallas suburb of plano. >> we found ourselves turning off the tv multiple times these last couple of days because even
though my daughter can't read, i don't want her to hear gunshots. >> reporter: they've started to frame the presidential election in the stark language of physical safety. but not how you might expect. who will keep your kids safe? >> i think it's going to be hillary. >> you've never voted for a democrat. >> i have not, you're right. i feel like i am at an impasse. >> reporter: from dallas we drove to ferguson, missouri, where the police shooting of michael brown became a catalyst for the black lives matter movement. gerald paul lives nearby. how would you say the relationship between the black community and police department in your neighborhood is? >> lack of trust. they don't trust them. i'm 50 years old and it's been like that for so long. i mean i had all kinds of experience. i mean, i had the bad ones, but i had some good ones, but i had more of the bad ones. >> do you know who you'll vote for in the presidential race? >> probably hillary. >> do you trust her? >> i don't trust none of them
really. >> reporter: whether you call it an impasse, distrust, indecision, we heard it again and again. this is berta benwet, a mexican immigrant we ran into in missouri. >> imindependent. nobody has convinced me yet. one is progressive and the other is corrupt. >> reporter: do you want to tell me which is which? >> don't you guess? >> reporter: leaving missouri we crossed into illinois, a state with a big urban rural political divide. in springfield the town that launched barack obama's political career as a state senator, we wandered into abe's old hat antiques and met the proprietor, trudy naylor. are you a hillary clinton supporter? >> yes, i am. >> and why? >> because, number one, the other choice would be awful and, number two, i'm a lifelong democrat. >> let me ask you about the e-mails. you heard the fbi director say she was extremely careless. >> should she have known?
yes. >> reporter: there were some full-throated defenders of their candidate. a gun range in rural illinois is a good place to look. >> did you see that? >> i got a really simple question. raise your hand if you're a donald trump supporter. okay. that's unanimous. and why? >> he's pro-guns. >> reporter: westfield, indiana. we made it. last stop on our tour, mayor andy koch. and you trust donald trump? >> i trust especially mike pence because i know mike pence. >> do you trust donald trump? >> i'm still figuring that out. >> reporter: that's the view from westfield, now on to the main event. for "this week," i'm martha raddatz, abc news, cleveland. >> and martha will be with us tomorrow. our powerhouse roundtable is next here plus the city of cleveland on edge. pierre thomas and mayor frank jackson here with the latest security threats. what's being done to take them on. and later, turmoil in turkey.
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the american people. >> i often joke you'll be calling up mike pence. i don't know whether he's going to be your governor or your vice president. who the hell knows. >> i've got three people that are fantastic, but i haven't made a final, final decision. >> indiana governor mike pence was my first choice. >> it took just a few days to get there but mike pence is donald trump's running mate. let's talk about that and a whole lot more now on our roundtable joined by matthew dowd, democratic strategist donna brazile, bill kristol of "the weekly standard, alex castellanos, republican strategist also running a pro-trump super pac. i want to get to that vp in just a second. let's begin with this new poll out as you saw, four-point lead for hillary clinton among registered voters and nbc shows a five-point lead. cnn shows a seven-point lead. matthew dowd, this is a fairly stable race even though in our polling it's tightened up a bit over the last few weeks. >> yeah, i think this race has
stabilized a month ago within a very small range in this. and i think that's actually beneficial for hillary clinton because the range seems to be trading between even and plus or minus six or seven, which is very good news for her. we'll see in the aftermath of the convention, the course of this. the other big factor in this, how defined these two characters are and how defined the environment is. two-thirds of the environment think we're on the wrong track and want something new but donald trump's unfavorables are very high and her unfavorables are very high. this is a competition between an environment that wants change and an environment very reluctant to go with the change that donald trump is proposing. >> alex castellanos, we just heard reince priebus making the point. they think because there is a changed environment out there with the wrong track, if donald trump can sort of reassure people past that bar of acceptability, voters who want change will feel free to go there. >> we've seen that. you know, when other events dominate the news, whether it's the shooting in dallas, guess what happens, donald trump's numbers actually go up here. the under -- >> they don't go up.
she goes down, right? >> she goes down but the race tightens. this race wants to go for change and that's i think the big issue in this country. donald trump is leading hillary clinton by 25 points among voters who want to see change in this country and he is change. it's hard for her to make that case when she is so close to barack obama and been so big a part of the last eight years. >> but look at barack obama numbers, who would have thought at this point in his presidency given right track, wrong track he would be at 56%. she has great personal attributes that voters like, per empathy and personal attributes and voters see her as more qualified than donald trump so i think despite the falloff from the past week with the fbi inquiry she is still in a strong position to expand her base. >> bill kristol, you're a republican who made no secret of his distaste for donald trump over the course of this campaign. and what we're seeing though in our poll is that he's gone up from support of about 77% of republicans to up above 80%. how much room does he have to
grow there? >> i mean, i think he has some room to grow because i do think he has -- it's a changed election. the one thing i learned in 1992 in that first bush white house is if people want change they're willing to forgive some of the attributes of the candidate for change or willing to rationalize some of the less likable attributes of that candidate, less admirable attributes if the candidate helps them do that. clinton crossed the bar with the gore pick, his own acceptance speech and suddenly a guy who looked questionable before running second or third behind bush and perot takes the lead. >> what does donald trump have to do. >> that's what donald trump has to do. i think it's a big moment that thursday night speech. people, tens of -- how many millions of people are going to watch that speech, and if he has the ability and i don't think he does to say, you know what, i'm running for president of the united states and i regret some of the things i've said during this campaign. i'm a colorful guy. i say what's on my mind. how i made fun of some people in a nasty way and i said some things about women. >> mea culpa in an acceptance speech?
>> that's an "r" word he will never use. >> i don't like trump but -- >> i don't think you do that. >> hillary clinton cannot change the fact that it's the wrong track environment and that she's the candidate of the status quo. what trump can do is change the fact that he is unacceptable right now as an alternative to hillary clinton. >> at the end of the day, i think the dreaded positive commercial and the dreaded positive message may make a big difference in these. both of these candidates -- >> we haven't seen much of that yet. >> not yet, but i think you will as you go on. both these candidates have very high unfavorable ratings and need to let you like them. hillary clinton in the survey has a big problem, it's honesty. she is very big on the nine commandments. she has one that is a real issue for her. >> but trump has to get across the bar. hillary, everything is known about hillary. he is not -- >> at the end of the day i think here is how this race resolves. people don't end up voting for donald trump. they don't end up voting for hillary clinton. they end up voting for themselves, 71% in this survey, 68%, wrong track, we need a change.
>> well, what the real dynamics in this poll are voters are voting against somebody, the majority of each party's supporters are basically saying i'm not voting for donald trump. i'm voting against hillary. i'm not voting for hillary, i'm voting against donald trump in the course of this election. to me if we had -- go to something i know bill talked about, if there was any credible third party candidate that could catch fire that would sort of demand of the public that they consider them, they would be in a great position. >> yeah, but we put gary johnson, libertarian, in the poll. he doesn't seem to change the race all that much. >> and on the green side they don't change it. because even if they catch fire, they cannot what i call get a break in terms of the electoral college. look, i do believe it will be a close race because that's where we are as a country but at the end of the day, voters look for people that they can at least agree with on the issues and hillary leads on most of the issues. donald trump and hillary, they're tied only often the economy. but i also think, alex, that empathy, personal values, go back to 2012 with mitt romney. obama, you had a wrong track environment but people believe
that barack obama cared about them and they believe that hillary clinton cares about them and their future. >> empathy and personal issues which is why you're going to see a good family on that stage this week and that's going to be very important for donald trump. maybe the most important thing donald trump has built is not a building, it's a great family and that's going to be a great testament to him. >> well, to me that's the real test of this convention that we're about to see over the next four day, which is a test of something that donald trump hasn't been very good at, which is consistency of message and conventions are only powerful and only have an impact and only change the numbers if through four nights of a convention and four days are going on there is a consistency to the message that you want to convey. my fear for donald trump and his supporters is that they're not going to see a consistency of message. >> that is one of the big questions right here and you did see donald trump make what a lot of people considered a disciplined pick for his vice president when he got mike pence. clearly going to make conservatives in this convention hall happy, but if you pick up on alex's point about the positive message, do you think, bill kristol, that this
convention by the end of the four days, people will see a different side of donald trump and is that possible if he doesn't -- if he can't give the kind of speech you're saying he should give? >> yeah, i think he has to because i mean reince priebus in your interview mentioned he's got to pivot. well, to pivot successfully you have to account for what happened before. why do 65% of america think he's not qualified to be president of the united states? because of things he's said and done, not because of opposition ads or negative attacks on him. if he doesn't take account of that he can run out -- alex will run an excellent super pac and trump can give all the speeches he wants and cavort around. at the end of the day he will be too risky a change. if you're the change candidate you have get above the bar and he's not right now above the bar of being acceptable for a candidate for president. >> but if you're not seeing this change at all and hillary clinton isn't, she is not -- she may be seen as qualified to hold the office but not qualified to bring change, she is continuity when -- she is swimming upstream in this election. if donald trump -- the only one with a positive message, by the way, what is it?
make america great again. what is hillary clinton's positive message? >> stronger together. and let me just tell you -- >> oh. >> you keep talking about change, alex. change for what? change to hurt people, to hurt minorities, to hurt women, to insult people with disabilities, i mean, that's why donald trump is not the perfect change messenger. he doesn't even look like change. >> i think both of these candidates have avoided perfection. >> and if he's such -- i agree with that. if trump is such a great businessman and manager, why does picking a vice president which is one of the big tests of a presidential candidate, why does it devolve into a clown show? >> well, i actually think his pick of the vice president was the first time, i mean i think the process, i think they messed up the process and made it look like a keystone cop situation. >> well, it sure seemed like he had second thoughts thursday night. >> i think -- >> there was a terrorist attack in the middle of all of it so it was slightly disruptive. >> it didn't disrupt him to get on fox news two or three times in the midst of it. >> to talk about the attack, yeah. >> i think his pick was actually the first time when you saw donald trump, i think there is an assumption by many voters
that say, i don't think he really believes everything he says. they sort of give him a pass on many things and so when he picked somebody like mike pence who is conservative, but feels strong and steady, was a governor, was a congressman, gives them an insight, oh sh, he may actually put together a cabinet and a team that actually is what i think he might do. >> i think that would be the wise thing to do at have this convention. talk about the kinds of people he would have and reassure he would have a serious secretary of state and instead if it's going to be this ridiculous personality show with his wonderful family, the three wives, that's really going to be great, alex. >> oh, no. >> that's what he wants to do, though. he's not going to talk about issues. >> i don't know whether he'll name a cabinet or not, but you'll see the republican party come together and see a lot of people of that kind of stature who could be in a cabinet whether chris christie, whether newt gingrich, those people are going to be around and on the news all week. >> that's going to reassure people. chris christie. >> alex, all the big stars are staying home. >> character matters. but the personality matters. can we trust this guy and we're going -- yes, family counts.
>> character matters. if he can show some character and not just personality, i think he has a chance. but so far he's shown no character. >> people married more than once, if you've been married more than once, you're the ultimate optimist. if he can present -- >> what a quote as somebody who's never been married but looked around a lot. >> you have looked around? >> hell yeah. i even look around at you sometimes when i'm bored. >> he has an optimistic vision but in the end, conventions have to be disciplined and that's the biggest test of donald trump. >> look at all the people who will not be here. all of the rising stars in the republican party. >> that's amazing. >> that's the amazing thing. the governor of this great state is not going -- >> he's going to be in cleveland. he says he's not going to be inside the convention hall. >> thank you. >> i want to go back to the importance of family again. a lot of the car keys, if you take me somewhere, what do i want to know? give me the car keys. i want to know where you're going to take me, policy, plans,
make america great again but can i trust you to take me there and there's no better testament to who a person is than the family he's built. >> do you think donald trump -- wait a second. hold on. >> by the way, we hear that in a focus group. >> alex -- >> you'll see his kids, how they've been raised and the people they are and come back and tell me that did not impress the american people. >> you're part of a super pac. not part of the trump team, but i want to ask, do you think donald trump knows what he's going to say thursday night? >> yeah, i think he's been saying it since he started the campaign. i think, you know, at times certainly he's erratic and wanders in delivering his message but the core message has been constant all the way through. and that is that this country is stuck in stagnant aand there's something better for us and that the elites who are running it and who think they're better than you have done a terrible job and need to be fired and this country needs a change to get all of that done. we can make america great again. >> have only about ten seconds left. who here -- >> it might be a good message but he's the wrong messenger. >> who thinks donald trump will be ahead at the end of the convention?
>> i think the problem with it is this convention ends and the other convention begins, so i don't think we'll have a clear insight. if he's not ahead at the end of this, it's a huge problem. >> tie race. >> tie race after. we may know after the first week of all this. thank you all very much. up next this convention opening and that terror attack in nice and coup attempt in turkey. we'll hear from secretary of state john kerry next. >> announcer: "this week with george stephanopoulos" is brought to you by seaworld. amazing is getting this close. real is an animal rescue. amazing is over twenty-seven thousand of them. there's only one place where real and amazing live. book a seaworld vacation package and eat free.
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demanding the u.s. hand over the cleric who lives in pennsylvania who he says is behind this attempted coup. thousands under arrest and dismissed this morning as turkish president recep tayyip erdogan goes to work rooting out those behind this dramatic attempt to seize power. and has singled out a turkish cleric, fethullah gulen, for being behind it all. the crowd here chanting for his death. [ chanting ] >> reporter: gulen lives in self-excite on a compound in rural pennsylvania. he has denied any role in the attempted coup, instead saying it's a turkish government staged plot. erdogan has demanded that president obama hand him over setting up a diplomatic showdown with the u.s. turkey is a crucial partner in the fight against isis, which this weekend claimed responsibility for the horrific attack in the french city of nice. a 31-year-old tunisian with no known terror ties used this 20-ton refrigerator truck to mow down hundreds along the waterfront. france and turkey are among the
countries hardest hit by isis or isis-inspired attacks as it loses ground in iraq and syria. the u.s. has boasted about its successes in shrinking isis' territory and number of fighters but isis has shown they're still fully capable of carrying out or motivating attacks around the world. george. >> thanks, alex. we are joined now by the secretary of state, john kerry. mr. secretary, thank you for joining us today. first thing, let's talk about turkey. are you confident now that erdogan has fully put down this coup and is in control of the country? >> we believe that is the case. it seems clear what we hope is that it will literally calm down and this will not have such an open, accelerated amount of retribution or taking advantage, that it's done through a process in a methodical way but, yes, it appears as if he is fully in control. >> you just hinted at
one of the concerns here is that president erdogan will take this opportunity, use it as an excuse to crush dissent, crack down on democracy even more. >> obviously there are coup plotters, and the coup plotters need to be held accountable, and they will be. but i think we're all concerned and we've expressed that concern that this not fuel a -- reach well beyond those who engaged in the coup, but that they strengthen the democracy of the country, strengthen the process and use it as a moment to unite the nation. >> as you know, president erdogan thinks that one of the plotters is this muslim cleric, fethullah gulen, who lives in the united states in pennsylvania. he's called for the united states to extradite mr. gulen. i know you said you'll consider any evidence. has turkey presented any evidence and made a formal request for extradition? >> there has not been a formal request made, but in the conversation i had with the
prime minister yesterday afternoon, i reiterated that the faster they get us the evidence, not allegations, but evidence, we will immediately evaluate it. we will do our due diligence. we're not holding back from doing anything nor have we ever been. we've always said, look, if you have evidence of x, y or z, please present it to us. turkey is a friend, turkey is an ally. turkey is an important coalition partner in the fight against isil, and we'll do our due diligence within our legal process, but as you know and everybody knows, we have very strict standards in order to protect people's rights. we will go through our legal process. they tell me they are assembling the evidence, putting it together in a dossier, their minister of justice will apparently be in touch with us shortly and we look forward to receiving the evidence they have. >> as you mentioned, turkey is an important coalition partner in the fight against isis. but we've seen the suspension of flights from the turkish air base.
how much is this hurting the effort, and how long will it last? >> well, the foreign minister emphasized that there will be no effect negatively on incirlik by them. they are fully committed to the fight. they're going to continue. that fight is going on. but apparently there was some refueling of some of the aircraft that were flying during the coup that came out of incirlik, and i think they're trying to chase that to ground and find out if there were conspiratorialists who were somehow involved in those flights. but they've assured us and to date we don't see a negative drag on the effort with respect to counter isil. >> and in recent weeks the united states and the coalition have been making progress against isil in iraq and in syria but we've seen this backlash all over the world most
recently in nice, france. is this in your view a strategic shift by isil? how concerning is it? what can we do about it? >> well, of course it's concerning. unfortunately, there's already a dispersion of some people who are supportive of what the isil folks are doing and, you know, it's very, very difficult. worse than a needle in a haystack to know where one person may suddenly surface, go nuts the way this guy in nice appears to have been radicalized and then go out and do something to hurt people. and so law enforcement authorities have the huge burden and governments have the huge burden of trying to get this right everywhere, every single instant of every single day every day of the year. the terrorist has to get it right for ten minutes, five minute, for a moment where out of nowhere they suddenly appear and decide to do harm to people. but we believe the network is growing, which is sharing
information, which is beginning to gather who is where and how they are connected. i think that, frankly, there's been a very significant job done in shutting down many, many different plots and many different places, and that's why it is so important for us to accelerate the effort against isil, which is what president obama has been working on so hard over the course of these months. and the president has been directly personally engaged and we've had meetings at the treasury department, at the defense department, at the state department regularly assessing how we upgrade what we're doing, intensify our efforts and from the military to the diplomatic engagement to various intelligence efforts, we are significantly growing our capacity, and that's what we will be doing this week when we host 45 nations, defense ministers and foreign ministers will be gathering in washington to not only assess where we are,
but to lay down plans for how we shut these guys down forever. >> as you know, while that's happening, republicans are gathering here in cleveland. again yesterday donald trump laid out a broadside against president obama and his foreign policy saying it's caused the middle east to spin out of control. listen. >> never been like this, out of control. after four years of clinton who really led the way and let obama down a horrible path, every single thing they touched has turned to horrible, horrible death-defying problems. >> he has also called for a formal declaration of war against isil. what's your reaction to what he said and that call for a formal declaration of war? >> let me just say that we have assembled a coalition of 66 nations. we have taken back now more than 40%, 45% of the territory that isil held in iraq. we have taken back a large
percentage of what they held in syria. about 130 of their major leaders have been taken off the scene of battle forever. they cannot move easily. they attempt to change their tactics, their revenues have been cut. i think a very significant job is being done under circumstances in which it was clear that the members of congress were not prepared to send american troops to syria. i think that is still probably true today. i look forward to somebody who has an alternative plan if they do. but we are making, as i said, very significant progress. and the attacks that are taking place, isil has not gained one foot of territory and held it in either iraq or syria since we began this effort a year ago. i define that as success. what is difficult are these individual players, some of whom appear to be radicalized at
absolutely the last moment by something that we are, you know, still trying to calculate. and in my judgment, we are deeply engaged. we're making enormous progress and i believe before the next president of the united states is sworn in, we will have made even greater progress and isil will be having very, very difficult time in both iraq and syria. >> mr. secretary, thanks for your time this morning. >> thank you. up next, the threat of protests in the shadow of that terror attack in nice loom large over cleveland. will the city be safe for the republican convention?
and we're back now with the extraordinary security situation here in cleveland. so tight, we almost didn't get in the arena in time this morning. our senior just correspondent pierre thomas is here with more. pierre, there are always security issues around a convention. this year more than ever. >> reporter: that's right, george. one day from the start of the gop convention and law enforcement is facing perhaps the most volatile and complicated security picture in recent memory. and what happened in nice is only intensifying those concerns. the carnage in nice happening less than a week after the dallas massacre and the police killings of black men in baton rouge and minnesota. all this a little more than a month after the massacre in orlando. this is the threat picture as the republican convention is set to begin. here in cleveland, the secret service and police officials are
preparing for every possible contingency from unruly protesters to lone wolf mass shooters to terrorists. >> we have to be prepared for everything. it's a different world today. >> reporter: and while there's no specific credible threat to the convention -- >> oh. >> reporter: -- there are concerns that volatile political organizations from each end of the spectrum will show up and fuel chaos. >> i think we have to be concerned about things getting out of hand very definitely. >> it's a threat we're watching very, very carefully. >> we have been planning for close to a year tabletops, tactical groups coming together to train in one location. >> reporter: and this taking place in ohio, an open carry state where citizens are openly allowed to carry firearms in public places outside the convention perimeter. the union is trying to suggest you didn't have enough resources. what say you? >> we're prepared. we have enough resources. our officers have been trained and trained and trained.
>> reporter: authorities claim they're ready. tactical teams from the secret service have been training with s.w.a.t. teams from cleveland and the fbi's hostage rescue team. all kinds of technology being deployed including robots. george, there are thousands of federal and local police here. feels like on every corner. >> no question about that, pierre thomas, thanks very much. let's get more on this now from the mayor of cleveland, frank jackson. mr. mayor, thank you for joining us this morning. we just heard pierre say up until today there had been no specific and credible threats to the convention. is that still the case? >> yes. >> and what can you tell us about the overall security situation and the kinds of precautions you've put in place? as we saw there there had some concerns from the police union earlier this month that they weren't well trained. they didn't have the resources they needed. >> well, that's from that source. as the chief said, we are prepared as you heard him say, and we're prepared not only on a local level but the state and the national level. >> which threat concerns you the most right now? >> none of them really. i can't say one threat concerns us.
we're prepared for everything, and, as you know, any time something happens, particularly if it's unusual, then you tweak and you modify whatever you're doing to accommodate that in order to minimize it or mitigate the possibility of it. >> how much was the situation changed by that attack we saw at the end of last week in nice, france? >> i don't know for sure. that's probably a better question for the secret service and my police chief and those fbi, but i'm pretty sure that they made some adjustments. >> you sound pretty calm right now. that's a good thing for all of us, but your city has taken, what, i think $50 million in protest insurance. >> right. >> you know the possibility that there could be real, real unrest out in those streets perhaps not on this floor.
>> well, as you also know, we're not strangers to unrest and demonstrations and protests so we're prepared for that also and insurance policy is what it is. of course, we would have liked to have had a lower premium associated with that. >> any city would. >> that's right but that wasn't the case so you have to meet whatever the circumstances are. >> and how much does ohio's open carry law complicate the security situation? i think a lot of people are surprised. you talk to people out on the streets. the idea that you can -- can't carry glass jars out in the event zone, but you can carry a loaded weapon. >> well, you know, it's a state law. we're -- whether or not we agree with it or not is not -- is irrelevant at this point. it is state law but as you also know, there are conditions to open carry, which means you can't have open carry if you're brandishing it or pointing it or threatening, that kind of thing and we've also had experience in the past with open carry kind of demonstrations at the public square and so we've dealt with that before, but the difference
is, as you point out, is in the intensity of this moment, and so it's just an added thing that you have to deal with and the added precautions you have to take. >> are you ready for a long week and late nights? >> i'm ready to put this on and do it good. >> mr. mayor, thanks for joining us this morning. >> thank you very much. back now with a look ahead to the convention this week with cokie roberts here on the
convention floor, and, cokie, i guess this is, what, your 21st convention right now. you've also written a book about first ladies, and the star of tomorrow night is going to be melania trump, really the first introduction to most of the american public for mr. trump's wife and this tradition of having the first lady speak, relatively new. >> absolutely. eleanor roosevelt spoke in 1940 for the first time and said it was no ordinary time and it wasn't. and there was not another first lady to speak until 1972 when pat nixon -- and then it became sort of de rigueur after 1984. with beau the first lady and the other candidate's wife speaking. so it's now tradition, and you can hear here, george, they're testing the microphones to see how it's going to go for the voting, which is always an exciting moment at a convention. i tell you, one little tidbit, nelly taft went to the -- even though her husband was running as the republican candidate in 1912, went to the democratic
convention. she was the first first lady to go to a convention and intimidated williams jenning brian into saying nice things about her husband instead of mean things. >> you mentioned eleanor roosevelt saying no ordinary time. i guess this could be the theme of this convention, as well. it's not going to be an ordinary convention. echoes of any others for you? >> you know, a rules committee fight sounds so arcane. but the truth is that they can often set the course for the party for years to come. and when i really saw that most was my first convention in 1964 when the democrats were having a fight over the mississippi freedom party and integration. and that -- they were not seated by that convention, but the conventions from there on out had very mixed delegations and that's true till to this day. >> as the chairman of the republican national committee reince priebus said, he does expect a few more
surprises. and, cokie, i know you'll be here. for now that's all for us today. we'll be here all week long in a big way, special editions of "world news," "good morning america" and "nightline" every day. our prime time coverage at 10:00 eastern, special reports when news breaks plus livestreaming all week long on abcnews.com. i'll see you tomorrow on "gma." abcnews.com. i'll see you tomorrow on "gma." ♪
>> it now looks like we know who is trump's vice presidential pick. good choice or bad, and how does this shake out for chris christie? let's get the inside story. ♪ good morning, and welcome to "inside story." i'm tamala edwards. thank you for joining us. let's introduce you to the panel. first up, we've got nonprofit exec sharmain matlock-turner... >> good morning. >> good morning. ...foreign policy executive ed turzanski. glad to welcome a new person, richard negrin... >> thank you. >> ...attorney. welcome for joining us. and jan ting from temple university, a law professor there. right now it looks -- it looks like it's mike pence. it's trump. it could always change. but at the moment, it looks like that's what we're dealing with. and, of course, the immediate question becomes was this a good choice on his part? does it do for him what he needed it to do? of pence, we know he's the indiana governor, very