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starting right now on "this week" with george stephanopoulos. >> stirm storm over a fallen soldier. after a father's emotional challenge -- >> you have sacrificed nothing. >> donald trump on "this week." >> how would you answer that father? what sacrifice have you made? >> i've made a lot of sacrifices. >> now see the full exclusive sbrir right here, right now. plus, the gold star parents respond. >> shame on him! and the four-star general attacked by trump here live. joe biden on the historic election and what's next for him. plus, the final countdown. can trump's message reach new voters? will clinton convince her toughest critics? >> from abc news, it's "this week." here now, chief anchor george stephanopoulos.
>> good morning, as you may have seen from your morning papers, our exclusive interview with donald trump is already generating headlines and controversy all over the world. especially mr. trump's response to the khan family, gold star parents to soldier humayan khan. watch the whole interview. i met up with donald trump. he gain his interview with the ratings win. let's talk about the democratic convention. you won the ratings war in the last night. >> by millions, george, by million. >> a couple million, it's true. >> three. >> hillary clinton's speech, direct mentions of your name. 78 references. very tough. including this one hit on your temperament. >> a man you can bait with a tweet is not a man we can trust with nuclear weapons. >> she quoted jackie kennedy suggesting you're a little man moved by fear and pride. >> she's a very dishonest person. i have one of the great
if you look at what's going on in terms of unity, the bernie people are angry. they're angry. he was angry. what was amazing to me was when she was talking about bernie last night, the camera was on him. he was angry. it almost looks like he
has buyer's remorse. like he shouldn't have made the deal. >> you made a lot of headlines with russia this week. what is your relationship with vladimir putin? >> i have no relationship with putin. i have no relationship with putin. >> but if you have no relationship with putin, why did you say in 2013, i do have a relationship? in 2014, i spoke -- >> because he's said nice things about me over the years. many years ago, he said something very nice about me. i said something good about him when larry king was on. this was a long time ago. and i said, he is a tough cookie or something to that effect. he said something nice about me. this has been going on. we did "60 minutes" together. by the way, not together together. meaning he was probably shot in moscow. >> he was in moscow.
>> i was in new york. >> here's the thing. >> just so you understand. he said very nice things about me. but i have no relationship with him. >> yet you said for three years, '13, '14, and '15, you did have a relationship with him. >> what do you call a relationship? >> i'm asking you. >> i have no relationship with putin. i don't think i ever met him. i never met him. >> you would know it if you did. >> i think so. if he's in the same room, i don't think so. i've been to moscow. >> never spoken to him on the phone? >> i didn't meet him in moscow. where? >> never spoken to him on the phone? >> i have never spoken to him on the phone, no. i've spoken -- when we had the miss universe contest a number of years ago. we had miss universe in the moscow area. he was invited. he wanted to come. he wasn't able to come. that would have been a time i would have met him. >> i just want to clear this up. you did say on three different occasions that you had a relationship with him. now you say there is not. >> i don't know what it means by having a relationship. he was saying good things about me. i didn't meet him. i haven't spent time with him. i didn't have dinner with him.
i didn't go hiking with him. i don't know him --
i wouldn't know him from adam. i see his picture. i know what he looks like. >> vice president biden said, vladimir putin wants to beat hillary. mad lynne all -- madeleine all bright said your win would be a gift to him. your statements about conditioning our nato allies, softening the gop platform on ukraine. considering softening sanctions and recognizing the russian ann annexation of crimea. >> if our country got along with russia, that would be a good thing. putin goes out and tells everybody, you talk about relationship. putin says donald trump will win. donald trump is a genius. i have people saying you should disavow. i should disavow that? putin says good things and we have the possibility of having a good relationship with russia? i think that's good. >> if we have a good relationship by bowing to his
annexation of crimea? >> hey, george. you know me. i don't bow. if russia would help me get rid of isis, you're talking about tremendous amounts of money and lives, that would be a positive thing. >> even if that means conditioning your commitments to nato? as you said? >> no, because you're not going to do that. nato is going to be just fine. nato countries. we have 28 countries. many of them are taking advantage of us because they're not paying. we're protecting the countries they're not paying. when people leave that last part in, everybody agrees with me. i'm all in favor of nato. i said nato is obsolete. i was asked a question by one of your competitors. i said nato is obsolete because it's not taking care of terror. you understand that. it turned out i was right. a lot of people gave me credit for that. then, three months ago, on the front page of "the wall street journal" they said, nato to develop a terror division. and somebody who is supposed to be very extraordinary is put in charge of it. that was all because of me. so i was right about that. i was also right about the fact
that nato, we're being taken advantage of by nato countries. totally taken advantage of. >> why did you soften the gop platform on ukraine? >> i wasn't involved in that. >> your people were. >> yeah, i was not involved in that. i would like to -- i would have to take a look at it. i was not involved. >> do you know what they did? >> they softened it, i heard. but i was not involved. >> they took way part of the platform calling for provisions of lethal weapons to ukraine to defend themselves. why is that a good idea? >> look, i have my own ideas. he's not going into ukraine, just so you understand. you can mark it down, take it down. put it any way you want. >> he's there already. >> he's there in a certain way. but i'm not there. you have obama there. and frankly, that whole part of the world is a mess under obama. under the power of nato. he takes crimea. he's sort of, i mean -- >> but you said you might recognize that. >> i'm going to take a look at that. the people of crimea, from what
i have heard, would rather be with russia than where they were. and you have to look at that also. and that was under, just so you understand, that was done under obama's administration. as far as the ukraine is concerned, it's a mess. that's under the obama administration, with his strong ties to nato. so with all of these strong ties to nato, ukraine is a mess, crimea has been taken. don't blame donald trump with that. we'll do better. we'll have batter relationship with russia. maybe. and having a good relationship with russia is a good thing, not a bad thing. >> you said you have no investments in russia. do you owe any money to russian individuals and institutions? >> no. none. i bought from the the banks. i bought it for about $40 million. i sold it for $100 million to a russian. that was probably five years ago. and, that was primarily it. will i sell --
>> yeah, but they're all linked. it's called a link. it's very simple. if my audit is finished, that's great. i have to tell you. i watched mitt romney four years ago. he waited until september to give them, just before the election. they made him look so bad, it was so unfair. i actually think he didn't lose because of the 47%. i think he lost because of a couple of really minor items in a tax return where he did nothing wrong. so it is unfair. i will say, when i'm finished with the audit, i'll do it. >> richard nixon released his even though his were under audit. >> don't use richard nixon as a guide. it's an interesting person to use. but don't use it. >> mike bloomberg. >> yeah. >> very tough on you at the convention. >> trump says he wants to run the nation like he's running his business? god help us. >> called you a con man, reckless. even seemed to -- >> he doesn't know me well. michael bloomberg, when he had a problem in ferry point, massive job, where his administration was a mess.
they couldn't get it build. they called me. i took it over. got it done in a year. michael bloomberg couldn't get elected dogcatcher in new york. >> in the past, you said he was a great mayor. >> sure. but his last term was terrible. he didn't do a good job in his last term. shouldn't have gone to third term. snow removal was a disaster. he had a lot of problems. he had a big problem with ferry point in the bronx. they called me. i got it built. i got it open. it's built. it's very successful. i think, personally, i think he made a deal with hillary where he gets a job. because michael bloomberg has wanted to run for president for probably as long as you have known him. and guess what? he never had the guts to do it. now i see this guy up on stage saying negative things. he knows nothing about me. he's never been to my office. i don't know him well. >> you played golf together? >> maybe once. >> here's what he hit you on in the speech. >> and i hit the ball a lot longer. a lot better.
>> he hit you for hypocrisy in the speech. selling products made oversees. gaming the visa system to hire low-wage workers. just this week, marilago is putting out application for 78 more workers. >> should i tell you about it? marilago is a very successful club in palm beach, florida. the marilago club. and during the season, it's very hard to get employees. >> the local employment agencies say they have more than 1,000 people -- >> we have a lot of people. we come with a lot of people. it's hard to get people in palm beach during the palm beach season, it's called the palm beach social season. and what we do is we sometimes have to bring people in. as far as product, our country doesn't make product anymore. you have other countries devalue their currencies. they make it impossible. you look at suits, ties, shirts, you look at steel. you look at so many different things, it's -- >> our country does make those products. but you don't. >> they make them in very small. 3% of our product is made in
apparel. much of the material comes from overseas. it's very -- if you want to get a television today. i buy thousands of television sets. if i want to get a television, i would love to buy american-made televisions like ge and sylvania. today, it's samsung, lg, sony. we don't make televisions anymore. >> you're saying other american companies must come and create jobs here, and you're not willing to do it yourself. >> this is nothing new. what you're saying. i talk about this in my speech. when i do ties, i bid them out. i go all over the place. you have companies in different countries where they devalue their currency. they make it impossible for american companies to compete. the hat, make america great again. i fought like crazy to find a company in this country that could make the hats. and i found one. and they're american-made. but it's very -- because i knew the first thing people would do is, where is the hat made? okay, make america great. it's very, very hard for our companies to compete.
because other company -- other countries. it's really the countries. other countries take advantage of us. >> here are the numbers on the hiring of foreign workers. since 2010, 300 u.s. applicants down in marilago. 17 hired. more than 500 visa applications. >> you know what? i don't hire the people. if you look at all the other places in palm beach, they're all doing exactly the same thing. you know why? because you can't get people, george. >> what do you think a voter thinks when they sear you say, i can't find american workers. i can't find -- >> i think they understand it. you're not reinventing the wheel with these questions. these questions get asked all the time. i've been asked about marilago. i have many other places where you don't have to do that because you have a normal season. >> let's talk about debates. will you accept the recommendations of the debate commission? three debates and one vp debate? >> i don't like that it's against two nfl games. i got a letter from the nfl saying, this is ridiculous. why are the debates against?
the nf >> you don't like the dates out there? >> i don't like dates against -- hillary clinton wants to be against the nfl. maybe like she did with bernie sanders. on saturday nights when nobody's home. they're against the nfl. i saw the dates. two of the three are against the nfl. i'm not thrilled with that. i like three debates. i think that's fine. i think that's enough. if somebody said one, i would rather have three. they'll be interesting. >> i don't know if you saw the speech. there's man named khizr khan. speaking at the democratic convention last night. his son, captain humayan khan, was killed serving in iraq. he had some very tough questions for you. >> have you read the united states constitution? i will gladly lend you my copy. you have sacrificed nothing.
and no one! >> he said you wouldn't have let his son in america. >> he doesn't know. he doesn't know that. i saw him. he was, you know, very emotional. and probably looked like -- a nice guy to me. his wife, if you look at his wife, she was standing there. she had nothing to say. she probably -- maybe she wasn't allowed to have anything to say. you tell me. plenty of people have written that. she was extremely quiet. and looked like she had nothing to say. a lot of people have said that. and personally, i watched him. i wish him the best of luck. >> what would you say to that father? >> i would say, we have had a lot of problems with radical islamic terrorism. we have a lot of problems. where, you look at san bernardino, orlando, the world trade center, so many different things. you look at what happened to the priest over the weekend in paris, where his throat was cut, 85-year-old. beloved catholic priest. you look at what happened in
nice, france, a couple of weeks ago. i would say, you gotta take a look at that. because something is going on, it's not good. >> he said you have sacrificed nothing and no one. >> well that sounds -- who wrote that? did hillary's script-writer write that? we had john allen, who failed with isis. he was a general. allen, general allen. he went out, ranting and raving. i read a report. he was in there for a number of months. he failed with isis. and he's telling me? >> you saw hillary say last night, you don't know more than the generals. >> well, i tell you, the generals are not doing so well right now. i have a feeling it may be obama's fault. if you look at isis, general macarthur, general patton, they're spinning in their graves. general allen, after i saw he was on ranting and raving about me, who he never met, i checked up. guess what? they were not so happy with him. he didn't beat isis. he didn't beat isis. he didn't do well with isis. >> how would you answer that father?
what sacrifice have you made for your country? >> i think i made a lot of sacrifices. i've worked very, very hard. i've created thousands and thousands of jobs. tens of thousands of jobs. built great structures. done -- i've had tremendous success. >> those are sacrifices? >> oh, sure. i think those are sacrifices. i think when i can employ thousands and thousands of people, take care of their education, take care of so many things. even in the military, i was responsible with a group of people to get the vietnam memorial built in downtown manhattan. which, to this day, people thank me for. i've raised millions of dollars for the vets. i'm helping the vets a lot. i think my popularity with the vets is through the roof. far greater than hers. she's done nothing. all she's done is tell everybody that the vets are in good shape. they're fine. they're not. people are waiting in line for seven days to see a doctor. >> 100 days left.
what's the number one thing you have to do? >> i want to continue to campaign the way i'm doing. i'm leaving here going to a speech packed with thousands of people. ey now, george, than y cases they made 18 years ago. they're working harder. they're older. it's unfair. our country's a mess. that's why when she makes the speech, she doesn't talk about radical islam. she doesn't talk about the problems we have in the country and throughout the world. many of the problems, she caused. i mean, she created isis with her stupidity and her lack of knowledge, with her bad judgment. bernie sanders said something about hillary clinton that was very interesting. he said hillary clinton had bad judgment. great words, bad judgment. she has bad judgment. >> final question. are you worried that the democratic convention will bounce her ahead of you in the polls? >> i don't know. i mean, look. i had a very big bounce. i think you even said it was one of the biggest bounces in 20 years. been a long time since somebody had a bounce like that. look, i think the republican convention was great, or i wouldn't have had the bounce i had.
as you said, i had 3 million people more than she had on the final night. she had a thursday, i had a thursday, she had a speech, i had a speech, i had 3 million people more than she did. and they had a lot of people. there were a lot of people. i had 30 million. she had 27 million. i think we're going to do very well in this election. >> mr. trump, thank you for your time. >> thank you very much. as we said rngs that was on friday. overnight, the trump campaign put out a statement responding to the controversy. here's the statement. captain humayun khan was a hero to our country and we should honor all who have made the ultimate sacrifice to keep our country safe. while i feel deeply for the loss of his son, mr. khan has no claim to stand in front of millions of people and say i have never read the constitution. mr. trump put out a tweet and said captain khan, killed 12 years ago, was a hero. but this is about radical islamic terror. and the weakness of our leaders to eradicate it. and one other note, the nfl
has disputed a claim that mr. trump made in the interview that the nfl wrote him a letter to complain about the debate schedule. an nfl representative said that was not true. the trump team responded that mr. trump was made aware of conflicting dates by a source close to the league. when we come back, the khan family responds to mr. trump. and the four-star general trump called a failure is here live. those new glasses? they are. do i look smarter? yeah, a little. you're making money now, are you investing? well, i've been doing some research. let me introduce you to our broker. how much does he charge? i don't know. okay. uh, do you get your fees back if you're not happy? (dad laughs) wow, you're laughing. that's not the way the world works. well, the world's changing. are you asking enough questions about the way your wealth is managed? wealth management, at charles schwab. when you have type 2 diabetes, like me, hi, i'm dominique wilkins.
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please. i am -- i am very -- upset when i heard that i didn't say anything. because i was in pain. if you are in pain, you don't -- you fight or you don't say anything. i am not a fighter. i can't fight. so, that best thing i did was quiet. >> running for president is not an entitlement to disrespect gold star family and gold star mother. not realizing her pain? shame on him! >> and when we come back, mr. trump had harsh words for the marine corps general who led a coalition against isis. retired general john allen joins us with his response next. t of . the enamel on my teeth was actually weakening. the whiteness wasn't there as much. my teeth didn't look as healthy as others. my dentist said that pronamel would help fight against that erosion that foods and drinks were causing. so it was really important to start using the pronamel.
with her as our commander in chief, our international relations will not be reduced to a business transaction. i also know that our armed forces will not become an instrument of torture. and they will not be engaged in murder. or carry out other illegal activities. >> that was retired marine corps general john allen at the democratic convention. he served as commander of u.s. forces in afghanistan. he served as presidential envoy in the battle against isis. he's endorsed hillary clinton. general allen, you heard mr. trump called you a failed general. the war in isis got worse under your leadership. your response? >> george, he has no credibility to criticize me or my record or anything i have done. if he had spent a minute in the deserts of afghanistan or in the deserts of iraq, i might listen to what he has to say.
he's got no credibility. in that regard, there has been progress with respect to the war against isis. we knew it was going to be a tough fight. i don't have to justify myself to him. what we do have to do, george, is listen to what he's been saying about our military. he's called it a disaster. he says our military can't win anymore. that's a direct insult to every single man and woman who is wearing the uniform today. he's talked about needing to torture. he's talked about needing to murder the families of alleged terrorists. he's talked about carpet-bombing isil. who do you think will get carpet-bombed when all that occurs? innocent families. >> let me stop you right there. if, indeed, mr. trump became president, how would the military respond to those kinds of orders if he followed through on some of the things he has said in this campaign? >> that's a great question. i think we would be facing a civil military crisis. the likes of which we have not seen before in this country. from the moment those of us that are commissioned and the
enlisted troops as well assume the mantle of our responsibility in uniform. when we swear an oath to support and defend the constitution, which is a document and a set of principles, it supports the rule of law. one of those is to make sure we do not obey illegal orders. it's an inherent responsibility in who we are. so what we need to do is ensure we don't create an environment that puts us on a track conceivably where the united states military finds itself in a civil military crisis with a commander in chief who would have us do illegal things. my hope would be that the conversation would take place quietly in the oval office or somewhere else to advise him not to continue on this track. but that's a major issue we're facing here. the military could be ordered to conduct illegal activities. >> mr. trump said if he were president, our relationship with russia would be better and that would help us in the fight
against isis. >> the russians have not helped us at all in the fight against isis. when you total up the number of sortis going into syria. the aircraft attack as, when the russians said they were going the assist, we got a very small number of sortis. they're not dropping munitions as we do. they drop dumb bombs. they drop cluster munitions, which have created huge numbers of civilian casualties. when we talk about carpet- bombing isil, that's what it looks like. creating huge numbers of civilian casualties. it creates huge numbers of refugees. >> i guess mr. trump wouldn't disagree. he is saying they would because if he were president, we would have a better relationship with russia. >> well, we'll see. the russians' self-interests are paramount. >> i was wondering what you were thinking while you were speaking at the convention.
we showed a clip. what was your reaction when you were speaking? there were cheers. but some boos from the crowd. many saying no more war, no more war. does it trouble you at all that it appears that the democratic party is very divided over these issues? >> george, i didn't detect there was division at all. in fact, the sense i came away from the floor of that convention was -- i mean, i couldn't believe what i was seeing. this acclamation. this incredible public acclamation in support of the united states. in support for our veterans. in support for international engagement. in support for using our military in the proper and ways ordained by the constitution. when i looked across the sea of faces in the convention, i couldn't have been more proud to be an american than i was right then. because that acclamation was enormous. frankly, i didn't hear the "no more war." i'm sure they said it. >> they were out there. >> yeah, i think they were.
i'm sure they said it. what i heard was usa, usa, usa. i don't want any more war either. none of us does. we need to have a commander in chief who knows what she's doing. a commander in chief who can lead from the front on these issues. knows how to employ u.s. military and u.s. force. all the measures of u.s. power. knows how to employ those properly. that's the challenge here. that's what i think hillary clinton can bring to this. >> you have seen this exchange between mr. trump and the khan family. how did it hit you? >> i couldn't believe it. i simply couldn't believe it. it was the intersection of i think a lot of the worst tendencies. this digression to term why she hadn't spoken? it's not possible to put into words the sense of loss and grief that comes to family losing their children. this family is an immigrant family. a muslim family that's come to the united states with hopes for the future, to be part of the american dream. they had a son. a handsome young man who chose to join the finest army in the history of the world. the united states army. and at his moment of truth, he went forward, alone, leaving his
troops back to inspect a potential vehicle. it was a suicide vehicle. he was killed. that act of nobility is an incredible act. for all of americans to understand what that act of nobility was and to then understand the sense of grief the families have as a result of that is really important, george. and she didn't speak because she was grieving. she was weeping as she left the stage. i saw them before and afterwards. the other piece that's important is that, the family is angry over comments about islam. the family is angry about comments about muslims. the vilification of muslims. yes, there are problems in the world today. that kind of language exacerbates the problem. that kind of language radicalizes people. puts our troops in danger overseas. and our first responders and police here at home, it puts them in danger as well. we need to understand what we're saying matters. these words matter. that family was humiliated by those comments.
that was unfair and a shameful thing. >> finally, sir, as you know, many critics of you and other former generals speaking out at political conventions. including the former chairman of the join chiefs of staff, martin dempsey, writing in "the washington post," he said as generals, speaking of general flynn, as well. as generals, they have an obligation to uphold our apolitical traditions. they've just made the tasks of their successors who continue to serve in uniform more complicated. it was a mistake for them to participate as they did. it was a mistake for our presidential candidates to ask them to do so. your response? >> marty dempsey is one of the greatest soldiers i have ever known. and a dear friend. and i understand completely what he's saying. i've agonized over this decision again and again when i listen to the rhetoric. when i worry about the future. when i worry about how this military might be employed. when i hear the denigration of our military. it was not an easy decision for me to come off the bench and make these comments.
i don't intend to remain active in this effort. i wanted to make it clear that i supported this candidate, hillary clinton, to be the president and the commander in chief. and i decried these comments that put us on a potential track for a military crisis the likes of which we have ever seen in this country. i don't intend to stay out there, be politically active. i intend to return to previous activities. >> thank you for joining us. >> thank you, george. always good to see you. we'll be back with the "roundtable" and vice president biden. moms know their family's mouths often need a helping hand. after brushing, listerine® total care helps prevent cavities, strengthens teeth and restores tooth enamel. it's an easy way to give listerine® total care to the total family. listerine® total care. one bottle, six benefits. power to your mouth™.
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>> that was hillary clinton just before midnight last night in youngstown, ohio. on that bus trip. let's talk about this with "the roundtable." joined by jon karl. kristin soltis anderson. jenk, the host of young turks. fox news anchor greta van susteren. and alex wagner. senior editor of "the atlantic." jon, we have to begin with this whole thing with trump and the khans. khizr trump has taken this broader. he's asked senator mcconnell and seeker ryan to take a moral stand against trump. >> yeah, and we have not heard yet from mcconnell or ryan directly in response. this puts them in a very difficult position. i don't think this is necessarily going to sway any voters. trump said in january, i could shoot somebody on fifth avenue and it wouldn't matter. this puts republican leaders in a tough spot. and they have been silent on this. >> we have seen this many, many times. just about a year ago today, he made the comments about john mccain as a p.o.w.
it didn't seem to hurt him at all in the primaries. had the whole controversy with judge curiel. it didn't seem to matter. will this? >> i don't think so. i think people made their minds up about donald trump or hillary clinton, love 'em or hate 'em, love 'em or hate 'em. i think the small sliver of people who are undecided, who can be swayed either way, will make their decision during the e debates, that's if they're not watching football, according to donald trump. i think he has teflon and she has teflon. >> teflon, alex? >> if you're mike pence this is the last thing you want to have to deal with on monday on the trail. mike pence has a son in the marines. republicans are being asked to take a position against the parents of the war dead or donald trump. that's a tough position to be in. >> about a third of americans don't think donald trump or hillary clinton have the character and judgment to be president. the conventions have been speaking to those folks saying, you may not like me, but i'll keep you safe. hillary clinton in the clip at the beginning said donald trump
is not a normal presidential candidate. he's banking on the idea that people like that. that they will think he's not normal and that's good. what this comes down to. the things he said about russia that were just wrong. the things about this family that were just offensive. a lot of voters will say, but hillary. and that's why i'm uncertain if this is actually going to move polls. >> donald the disrupter. >> he's a disrupter. that's why he's winning. certainly on the republican side. these comments prove he's a bigot without a shadow of a doubt. he takes a fallen u.s. soldier and puts him in the same camp as radical islamic terrorists. he says to the father, there are radical i had lammic trysts. these guys were, you can't get any more patriotic than dying for the country. he's putting them in the same camp. he's an unbelievably obnoxious character. remember, he didn't go to vietnam. he said he had a medical problem. he got a medical deferment. now his doctor says he's the
healthiest man alive. he's healthier at 70 than he was when he was younger? he ran from vietnam and then has the nerve to criticize people that died for the country? it's not regular obnoxious. this is beyond the pale. >> he did say captain khan was a hero. >> overnight. yeah. let's talk about overall. donald trump got a bounce out of his convention. not sure it was the best in 20 years. it was a healthy one. you saw the democrats with the series of speeches monday through thursday. after the trouble on the first days, do they get a bigger bounce? >> i think you'll see a big bounce out of the democratic convention. they had good coverage. four days. you know, trump, trump had a bit of a bounce. i think we'll see a five-point lead coming out of this for hillary clinton. >> a five-point lead for hillary clinton. one of the things donald trump pointed out was more people tuned in to watch him. he has the power to draw eyeballs. >> he's still this unknown quaentty to a lot of people. what will he do as president. he's been in headlines for 30-some years. people are waiting for what's
the next thing he's going to say? what's the next position he's going to take? so certainly, he knows that sort of his worst enemy is not saying something offensive or wrong, but warather being out of the headlines. he knows that that's where he's done best thus far in the polls. >> one of the things from the democrats, where are donald trump's plans? >> yeah, he doesn't have any. we watched a whole rnc. the only policy position we could discern from that is coal. we're for coal digging. it's unbelievable. there's though position. you're going to keep us safe? how? no plans. i mean, who runs for president and says, i'll figure it out once i get into office. he said that literally during one of the debates. he is a loser. he has no plans whatsoever. >> you put way too much attention on the conventions. like "american idol," who did better? "american bandstand." who did the best? in a week, people are going to say, what convention? we're so steeped in it. we dissect it. every flaw, every guest. >> 20 million people a night for both.
>> i know, it's like, a week from now, do you really think people are going to be saying, i made up my decision at the convention? i think they had better music. i think so many other things will happen between now and november. >> that is almost for certain. >> that will drive the vote more than -- >> this is someone campaigning through the looking glass, george. the democrats hit trump for having no plans. trump, also in a statement after hillary's speech, said she has no plans. it's literally, i'm rubber, you are glue. >> it's a mud-wrestle. it is a mud-wrestle. >> so that goes to the heart of it. if this campaign is about hillary clinton, she loses. if this campaign is about donald trump, he loses. they're both deeply unpopular. >> no, no. i think what will happen -- >> that's why the conventions matter. they set the tone. >> when they stand side by side on the debate stage. >> if they do. >> and the american people are undecided. >> if they do. >> let's get to that. >> they're not going to. >> i want to ask you. i talked to mr. trump. he said he wants to do three debates. but he's raised the issue about
to have saturday night debates. >> and sanders saying it was rigged and the e-mails. the clinton campaign doesn't want it to seem like the debate ts are being hidden against the nfl. >> i'm no expert, but i think it's tough to find a night where football is not being played. >> i believe in 2008, 2012, wasn't it up against baseball? it's always going to be up against something. i think for a lot of voters that are interested in tuning in, i'm less concerned about putting it up against the nfl. for voters trying to consider who they're going to vote for, it's good. >> tuesdays and wednesdays are good. >> hillary clinton wants as many debates as possible if you ask me. she wants to get out there and say, your whole thing is about winning? you're a loser. you went bankrupt four times. you say it's a savvy business move. a savvy business move is making a profit. >> it can bring out the best in them, if it's actually a debate on ideology. it could bring out the best in them. or the worst if the they both
get in the gutter and both take the bait from each other. >> football, presidency, football, presidency. >> wait. which is more important? >> the savviest things the democrats did air that convention was make the message, not donald trump is a typical, horrible republican. but rather, donald trump is not a republican. not a conservative. i think that was the savviest thing they did. >> snapshots on the board. we have a new device on abcnews.com. you can go to the electoral map and make your own. where the race stands today. where you think it will be in november. i'm not making anybody predict. let's pretend the race is held today. greta, what would the electoral college look like? >> if it were today. and now, this is -- and we're in a new time. because now we have secretary of state hillary clinton, she doesn't have to worry about bernie sanders. she'll probably change her strategy. i have her at 280. and donald trump at 258. >> okay. alex? >> i have hillary clinton winning every swing state with the exception, i believe, of
>> i've got trump at 279-259. >> trump? you said he was a loser a minute ago! you have him winning the presidency! >> hold on. in his life, he's had a great track record of failure, bankruptcies, running from vietnam. he's a populist candidate. he's running against the most establishment candidate. it was a terrible idea by the democrats to support hillary clinton for president. >> you're thinking he's going to win? >> if the democrats are not really worried that in this populist time that donald trump doesn't have a chance to win, they're wrong. >> i think he can win. the democrats better be worried about it. i think today the map has hillary winning. but i thing you're right. up next, vice president biden on life after the white house.
you have talked a lot about your relationship with president obama. >> that's true. >> you have become very good friends over the last eight years. you have talked about being in private, hollering at each other. how does a vice president know when to do that? when that's okay? >> you know whether you have a real relationship with the president when you know it's real. and with barack and me -- with the president and me, it's real. and by the way, one of the things when i asked why he wanted me, he said, i know you'll never not tell me what you think is right. i think that's what hillary got in tim. tim is not going to go in there and, you know, say, yes, ma'am, no, ma'am. if he thinks she's wrong, he'll say i think you're wrong. here's what i think you should do. i like the guy. i mean, the guy's solid. and he's smart. >> john podesta was talking about what secretary clinton was looking for. he said, you need someone you're always going to want that person to walk into a meeting. >> that's exactly right. i've never been in a place where the president hasn't, if i've
not been there, call and said, joe, i need you here. or joe, can you be on this hookup on a secure line? i know he -- i know he values -- now, by the way, we could -- >> you don't always agree. >> no, we've never disagreed on a matter of substance. it's always been about tactic. where we've disagreed, it's been tactical disagreement. should we do this in order to promote this goal? we both agree, this is the objective. tactically, i think we should do this. he's president. tim said, what's it like being vice president? i said, remember, you have a "v" in front of your name. vice president. >> never forget it. you won your first election back in 1970. >> that's right. >> new castle county council. >> yeah. >> about six months, you'll walk out of the white house, walk out
of public office for the first time in 46 years. >> i have to be gainfully employed. >> hard to say good-bye? >> i don't plan on saying good-bye. my dad used to have an expression, it's a lucky person who gets up in the morning, puts their feet on the floor, knows what they're about to do and believes it still matters. i care. i'll be out there with a platform to talk about the things i care about. foreign policy. violence against women. the inequity in the tax structure. and i think i'll still have at least for some time on cancer, convening capability to bring together folks. i've done this my whole life. i can't imagine -- someone said to me, well, you know, you ought to just retire. and i would say, well, i always judge people who spend a lot of time in public office say they care about things, if the
day after they leave, they no longer talk about them, i don't think they cared much about them. i care deeply. >> maybe run for something again? >> i don't plan on that, george. but, you know, i've learned a long time ago, you don't say anything for absolutely certain. i still, you know, there's the old satchel page phrase, they asked him, he won a game on his 47th birthday. as a pitcher. and they said, satch, what's it like? 47, winning the big thing. he said, that's not how i look at age. i said, how old would you be if you didn't know how old you are? i'm 44. so i'm ready to go. >> mr. vice president, thank you. >> thank you. we'll be right back after this from our abc stations. i'm hillary clinton and i approved this message. who do you talk to for military advice
right now? well, i watch the shows. i mean i really see a lot of great - you know, when you watch your show and all of the other shows... while donald trump watched tv, as secretary of state, hillary clinton negotiated a cease fire in gaza. a reduction in nuclear weapons...
>> hillary clinton and the democrats had their big moment. how did she do, and who's in the best position as we now head towards election day? let's get the inside story. [ theme music plays ] good morning. i'm tamala edwards. welcome to "inside story." we survived. [ laughter ] the two conventions are over. we have an expanded panel to talk about the democrats this week and the bigger picture, looking at both conventions. let's introduce you to everybody here and say good morning. first up -- terry madonna, our pollster -- everybody's pollster. sharmain matlock-turner, a nonprofit executive. >> good morning. >> and another nonprofit executive -- donna gentile o'donnell. >> good morning, "tam." >> and on this side -- we saw you in cleveland -- we've got val digiorgio, gop state official. >> good morning, tamala. >> brian tierney, a marketing exec. >> how you doing, tamala? >> and attorney christine flowers. >> hey, tam. >> so, hillary clinton -- a big buildup all week to what would