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starting right starting right now on "this week" with george stephanopoulos. russian roulette. vladimir putin bets big on donald trump. refusing to retaliate against new u.s. sanctions and with russian diplomats moving out, donald trump is moving on. >> i think we ought to get on with our lives. >> but will trump's own party follow his l his it is a threat to the fundamentals of democracy. >> with three weeks to go, what will the new president do on day one? incoming trump press secretary sean spicer is here. plus -- >> make america great again. >> new year's revolution. 2016 broke all the rules. so what's next? our powerhouse round table looks ahead to 2017.
and predictions from a pair of high powered insiders. >> when you look mr. speaker, at the trump presidency, what do you fear the most? >> from abc news, it's "this week." here now chief white house correspondent jonathan karl. >> good morning. and welcome to the new year. breaking overnight. a nightclub massacre in turkey. a gunman opened fire inside add crowded nightclub in istanbul killing at least 39 people. in this surveillance footage you can see gunfire. as the attacker shoots his way into the club. police are searching for the shooter. no claim of responsibility. turkey's president is calling it an act of terror. we'll talk to the top democratic on the house intelligence committee on what we know about who is responsible for the attack. but first, the big political snow. >>
t clear he is still not convinced that russia was behind the hack. he plans to meet with intelligence officials about it later this week. >> i just want them to be sure because it's a pretty serious charge. i want them to be sure and i know a lot about hacking and hacking is a very hard thing to prove. so it could be somebody else. i also know things that other people don't know. and so they cannot be sure of the situation. >> but the white house is convinced. on thursday the fbi and the department of homeland security issued a report explaining how they say the russians did it. and president obama hit back closing down russian compounds in the united states and kicking 35 russian diplomats out of the country. but instead of retaliating, putin reached out directly to donald trump. saying, while russia has every right to respond, he's going to wait to work to restore
russia/u.s. relations based on trump's policies, not obama's. trump's response, great move on delay by putin. i always knew he was very smart. we are joined by sean spicer, the incoming white house communication director and press secretary in his first sunday show interview since being tapped for the job by president-elect donald trump. congratulations and thank you for being here. >> you bet. good morning. happy new year. >> the big news from president obama imposing those sanctions on russia, expelling those diplomats. does president-elect trump agree with the moves or will he reverse them? >> as he said he's going to sit down with with intelligence committee heads next week, get a full briefing. i think one of the questions we have is why the magnitude of this. when you look at 35 people being expelled, two sites being closed down, the question is is that
response in proportion to the actions taken? maybe it was, maybe it wasn't. that's nothing we haven't seen in modern history. when we look back -- >> we have seen diplomats -- >> hold on. let's look at this. in 2015 china took over a million records, sensitive data, people like me, classified or personal information where we lived, things we had written down on our applications and security clearances and a white house statement wasn't issued. no action publicly was taken. nothing. nothing was taken when millions of people had their private information including information on security clearances that was shared. not one thing happened. there is a question about whether there is a political retribution here versus a diplomatic response. >> it sounds like you think these measures are too much? >> the president-elect needs to sit down with the heads of the intelligence committees next week and get a full briefing on what they knew, why they knew it and whether or not the obama
administration's response was in proportion to the actions taken. maybe it was, maybe it wasn't. we need to have that briefing first. i would argue that if you look at our history, you haven't seen a response like that in modern history for any action. when you look at the fact that china did something so egregious in 2015 and the white house did nothing publicly, not even issue a statement except they sent that's all they did. they took action by sending a letter, not even taking action against china. what russia did we have to wait and see. it will be interesting. >> it's interesting because we have seen near universal support from republicans in congress. mitch mcconnell called them a good first step and suggested that republicans in the senate may actually move to impose stiffer sanctions as punishment for russia. does president-elect trump oppose those efforts? >> what he's going to do is sit
not the actions were taken. as you saw, president putin said he's not going to retaliate. in the way he initially suggested. he wants to wait for president trump to commit. that shows you the power that president trump has. he's had success domestically to bring back jobs to carrier. and sprint. hold on. and around the world foreign leaders are seeing what we're seeing in this country which is that business as usual is over, president trump is going to restore america's place in the globe. >> what's the bottom line? a yes or no answer. does president-elect donald trump now accept the fact that russia was behind the dnc hack? >> there's a report that came out the other day on the 29th that the intelligence committees put out and while the media played it up as a report about the hacking, if you look through it, a series of recommendations that should be taken like
changing passwords, and what it shows is by all measures the democratic national committee had a very lax it support. hacking is wrong. no one supports anyone hacking into any entity legal, domestic or foreign but the fact is what the report shows is there's a need for them to go back in and look at what they're doing it-wise to protect their system. >> you do see the headline, russian malicious cyber activity. it makes it clear and names russia. gives the ip addresses. >> and it says back up the system. staff training. >> absolutely. >> mitigating applications. >> does he accept russia is behind this? >> he has to have the briefing. from the intelligence committee next week. >> still not there yet? >> not a question of not there yet but getting the information. everyone wants to make a conclusion based off other sourced information, anonymous sources. he's going to do this right. >> this is not anonymous. this is a public statement.
>> what this says is the dnc had a problem with the it security and people tried to hack it and they need to do a better job protecting. we're having part of a conversation. why aren't we talking about the other influences on the election? why aren't we talking about hillary clinton getting debate questions ahead of time. that's an attempt to influence an election. someone giving her the questions and answers of the election. >> hey -- >> no. no. no. it's not hey. no one is asking those questions. the fact is that everyone wants to make donald trump admit to certain things. when do we talk about the other side which is what did hillary clinton do to influence the election? is she being punished and what do we do to make sure the people don't get debate questions ahead of time? i can tell you this, if my boss got the questions and handed them off he would have been driven out of this town. donald trump would have been vilified. no one wants to ask those questions now. >> just to be clear that was during the democratic primary, not in the debates with donald trump. let me move on. >> so it makes it better? >> no. i just want to be clear what we're talking about. you're going back to the primary.
>> i'm sorry. that's who ultimately ended up with the democratic nominee. you can't say let's go back only partway. the fact of the matter is bernie sanders gave her a heck of a run. if he had not had the same information maybe he could have done great, maybe not. you can't have as part of a conversation. we have to look at it wholistically. >> donald trump has had a lot to say about russia. over the past couple of weeks. >> right. >> in particular about vladimir putin. first he praised putin for sending him a nice letter and he thought his thoughts were correct and agreed putin's mocking of hillary clinton saying it's so true and most recently praising putin's response to the sanctions. saying i always knew he was very smart. sean you're a long time republican, party of reagan. isn't there something strange for you to hear the incoming president offering so many words of praise for russia? >> what happened? right? the united states says we're
going to impose sanctions, call out people by name. the russian government says we're going to retaliate in equal sense. vladimir putin says i want to wait until donald trump comes. that's good for our country. everyone wants to talk about the tweets he sent. i would focus on the action he's getting. donald trump is not president yet and he's getting action, successes and wins both abroad and here at home. everything he does right now he gets -- he speaks for the head of sprint. gets 5,000 jobs moved from abroad. everyone starts to mock him. they weren't announced. the sales jobs. these jobs are from abroad to america. instead of trying to undermine him, it's time people give him credit for getting things done. >> a broader question about russian/u.s. relations, paul ryan said, russia does not share america's interest, in fact, it is consistently sought to undermine them. john mccain in response said
putin is a thug and a murderer. is there a fundamental different world view on russia between these republican leaders and donald trump? >> it's an understanding of the role that russia plays in our world right now. they have the most number of nuclear weapons in the world. you can say we're not going to have a relationship. they had a failed russian reset the last eight years. they wanted to have a relationship with russia and they failed. this president is going to have a relationship with russia and understand it's in america's interest to have a relationship with russia where they don't pose a threat to our national economic interest. that benefits every american. and i don't know why we wouldn't support that. at the end of the day -- >> if you view this differently as republican leaders? >> as a world leader that understands the united states has two other growing super powers, china and russia and to have a relationship with russia which we don't have because this administration had a failed reset that didn't go anywhere, and so right now they want to praise the fact they don't have a relationship.
donald trump recognizes that a good leader is going to protect america's interest by making sure that we have a relationship with russia, that our interests are protected, not theirs. >> i want to move on to the inauguration coming up. you have promised and we have heard trump talking about a big start to this administration. >> right. >> what is the one big thing we are going to see after he takes the oval office? >> not one big thing but many. he's going to sign a series of executive orders. two things. one, repeal a lot of regulations and actions taken by this administration over the last eight years that have hampered economic growth and job creation and he's going to start implementing things and bringing a new brand and institute a lobbying ban. five years, it's very forward thinking. what we have had in the past people looked in the rear-view mirror. this time we're thinking forward. if you want to serve in the trump administration you're going to serve this country, not yourself. >> it's going to be a five year ban on people going off to be lobbyist or a lifetime ban or anyone who wants to serve a foreign government.
>> you're the incoming press secretary and communications director. i've got to ask you about what we saw in the new york times last week. headline about trump talking about expanding u.s. nuclear ability. what struck me was the statement on twitter. in the beginning of the second paragraph. mr. trump's statement in a mid afternoon twitter post. here big front page headlines generated by a mid afternoon twitter post. is that what we're going to see? you're the press secretary. >> sure. why not? >> major policy done via twitter? >> you know with all due respect, i think it freaks the media out that he has this following of over 45 million people. this is going to be a business as usual as i've said before. there's a new sheriff in town. he's going to do things first and foremost for the american people. >> we're going to see a lot of twitter? >> absolutely. why wouldn't -- >> he said on 60 minutes he was going to cut back. >> when he tweets he gets results.
whether it's twitter, holding a news conference, picking up the phone, having a meeting he is going to make sure that he continues to fight for the american people every single day. >> are you going to have regular white house press briefings? >> absolutely. some way. some will be on camera and some off. we understand the importance of the -- >> no more daily televised -- >> no decisions have been made but we're looking at every facet of government, can we do it better. i've had reporters say we have got ideas. this is about we understand that we have a message to get out and successes that we want the american people to understand. we'll use every tool possible. we'll sit down and make sure on a daily basis that press is important. >> regular presidential press conference? >> absolutely. >> sean spicer, thank you for joining us. we're joined by congressman adam schiff the ranking democrat. on the house intelligence committee. congressman schiff happy new year and thank you for joining us. let's pick up with the russian hack.
you heard from president-elect trump last night saying he's still not convinced it's the russians. he says hacking is hard to prove and it could be somebody else. you have been briefed on the intelligence. how solid is the evidence that it was the russians? >> it's very solid. it's overwhelming and the president-elect as you know also said he knows things that other people don't know. he needs to stop talking this way. if he's going to have creditability as president he needs to stop talking this way and stop denograting the intelligence community. he's going to have to rely on them and this is the overwhelming judgment of the intelligence community and all the members of the committees in congress, democrats and republicans none of us have any question about this. the only one who does is donald trump. this is the problem. there's only one thing worse than someone who wins after everyone told them they would win and that's someone who wins after everyone told them they would not because
they believe in the infallibility of their own judgment. this is dangerous. >> doesn't the press secretary have a point on the response by the obama administration. we did have that hack by the chinese, the opm attack. this was 22 million federal employees affected. the obama administration did nothing that we know of publicly. why did they do nothing but that huge hack done by china and this just on the way out the door make this big statement about the russia hack? >> i think what mr. spicer fails to appreciate is there was one form of hacking for the purpose of foreign intelligence gathering. that's what the chinese did with opm. the chinese gathered the information about federal employees they could use for their foreign intelligence purposes. >> that's a serious offense. >> it's very serious. all nations gather. all nations. >> steal data? >> you're not going to prevent foreign nations from stealing data they
think is in their interest. the best thing is to defend against it. here's what's different. russia didn't just steal data, they weaponized it. they dumped it with the intent of influencing the outcomes of the election. that is not something china has ever done. not something russia has ever done here although it has done in europe and that is a different situation than the mere stealing information as serious as it was in china's case and the administration handled both cases differently and that makes sense. >> has the obama administration given something of a gift to the incoming trump administration on this? they took measures that perhaps were not all that serious, the russians could shrug them off and giving trump an opportunity to say what's done has been done and move on? >> if the trump folks are smart or shrewd politically they would view it that way and say he took care of the reprisals, didn't throw off relations with russia in terms of how i'm going to start out my presidency.
he cleaned the deck for me. if he's smart that's the view he'll take. in congress, we don't share that view. we don't think that the steps have been taken are enough of a deterrent. you're going to see bipartisan support in congress for stronger sanctions against russia. >> if trump moves to undo what president obama has done here, what's going to be the congressional response? >> even more vigorous. i'm convinced in favor of stronger sanctions against russia. you're going to see democrats and republicans like mccain and graham and others come together with a strong sanctions package. even though what the administration did was more than symbolic, it was meaningful. it is not enough to deter russia. >> if you looked through that fbi report, it is clear that this was not the most sophisticated hack. basically these democratic officials opened up suspicious attachments or gave their passwords when asked. this was -- this could have been prevented with less carelessness on the parts of the democrats? >> i'm not sure that's right.
there was carelessness and didn't follow best practices. the reality is if russia wants to get into a private organization, they're going to get in. if you launch enough sphere fishing attacks no matter how sophisticated you are, an adversary like russia is going to get in. as much as that might be a good argument to say the democratic party was negligent -- >> they were careless. but that doesn't let russia off the hook. yes, it got them in the door but russia and putin and the kremlin are the ones that made that decision. >> i want to ask you about this attack in turkey. yet another shooting in a nightclub. what do we know about who was responsible? >> we still don't know yet. there are the two parties who are the prime suspects. isis which has urged attacks in turkey and places where foreigners congregate. urged attacks around the holidays. you also have turkey at war with kurdish militants.
what you look at before there's a claim of responsibility is who are the targets. these look more like isis targets than kurdish targets. that's far from definitive. >> it's really unfortunately not all that surprising. we got a state department warning ten days ago to americans in turkey in other parts of israel -- i mean other parts of europe telling them to avoid crowded spaces and places where westerners are gathered. >> it's true. our state department warnings have been tragically on point as they were in berlin, as they are here in turkey and unfortunately this is another very violent year in turkey as not only the gateway for fighters going into syria but also for refugees coming out and massive security problems. >> congressman adam schiff, happy new year. >> to you too. >> up next, predictions for the year ahead from the powerhouse
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congressional correspondent mary bruce. steve, just back from your exit interview with president obama. what's your sense reading between the lines? how does he feel this transition is going? >> i hear from both sides that in spite of some of the fireworks of recent days, that the logistics, the basic work of the transition is going on and both sides insist on the mechanical level it's fine but a slight difference of opinion on issue after issue after issue which they're continuing to press and you heard president-elect trump say in the clip a second ago, he's president until january 20th referring to president obama. that is exactly the way the current president sees it. he's been comfortable taking last minute actions about oil drilling, israel. on some other issues regarding the russians and their intent as i understand it is to keep going in the same way right up until the end. we could see more dramatics from this administration. >> it's extraordinary on both sides. we have the tradition of one
president at a time. the tradition is the outgoing president is kind of taking the foot off the gas, the incoming president doesn't comment on foreign policy and other major issues. >> yeah. >> not so much this time around. is rethat .tion, there is one president at a time. but you hear from trump's team they respect that. but certainly donald trump is not someone going to sit by. action. as steve mentions, you're seeing president obama do that as well. he's throwing up roadblock after roadblock as many will criticize him for doing. there's a precedent for that as well. many presidents have tried to cement their legacy and get things done as the clock ticks down to their departure. >> when you look towards the first 100 days and the confirmation battles, the hearings will start before trump is democrats gots? >> it's hard t biggest happew congress hasn't been confirmed yet but i will say they will ask some
pointed serious questions. you have many questionable where you hear mccain and marco rubio even and graham saying we're not comfortable with this guy who has close relationships with russia and also if he becomes secretary of state he will be the first secretary e that doesn't have government experience and has never been in the military. >> is he the one they're going to try to target? >> i think there might be some bipartisan consensus on that one and then sessions, you have hhs, ben carson whose own spokesperson -- >> hud. >> yes, hud. his spokesperson said he is not ready, he shouldn't be leading an agency. i think there is going to be some strong pointed questions that their democrats will ask and the other part is the conflict of interest, if that's not dealt with by donald trump which is what constitutional
lawyers and folks from the white house who served on both sides need t from your businesses in order to not have conflicts, it will be interesting to see if congress is going to do their duty and ask those questions. >> it's going to take five republicans assuming all the democrats to defeat any one of these nominees. >> i don't see that happening. i agree that many democrats see that particularly against the back drop of the allegations of russian hacking right now, the confirmation hearings with rex tillerson as one of the areas where you have a nominee who is vulnerable from criticism inside their own party. and i do believe that the culture wars will be hard to resist up on capitol hill with regard to the nomination of jeff sessions. but i think if you look at the numbers across the board from inside the republican party up on capitol hill, the numbers are there for pretty safe confirmation of those two nominees. >> where's the biggest battle?
i'm not interested in where the democrats are going to go after trump. that's predictable. where is the biggest battle with the republicans? is it on the trillion dollar infrastructure plan or on this russia stuff? >> i think the russia stuff -- i think there's a leadership test for republicans here. are we going to see a party resort to partisan tribalism and defend the incoming president because he happens to be the same party or is this an opportunity to demonstrate they have a better way forward on things like national security and foreign policy. that will be a big test. >> i think the sanctions, what you're seeing, what president obama has just done on russia puts republicans on a collision course with president trump. this is the first big break. you're seeing signs of that. so far republicans have been walking this fine line, careful to make clear where they disagree with the president-elect but haven't been criticizing him and you're seeing that change every time he praises putin, every time he questions u.s. intelligence, that starts to crack, add to
that all the calls for tougher sanctions. and the honeymoon may be over. >> in principle what the president-elect is trying to do makes sense and is within the bounds of what previous presidents have done. you heard sean spicer say, the president-elect just wants a better relationship with russia, it's in u.s. interests. if you talk with people around trump, they say russia is an important country, china is important, you want to play one off the other but there is a tone in the president-elect's remarks that has concerned people and something happening with the republican party within the republican party as regards putin and russia. a guy named mike gonzalez who put out a thing pointing out there are a lot of people within the republican party who have become enamored of putin. who portrays himself as a defender of christian, western civilization values that conservatives would hold dear. it's vladimir putin as this guy points out and that's causing a real friction within the republican party that's reflected in some of the remarks the president-elect makes.
>> i want to flash back to a moment in the 2012 campaign. if you remember, mitt romney said that russia is america's biggesting greatest gio political foe. >> i remember. >> this is the response from president obama. >> i'm glad you recognize al qaeda is a threat because a few months ago when you were asked the biggest geo political threat you said russia. not al qaeda. you said russia and the 1980s are now calling for their foreign policy back. >> the amazing thing is obama seems to be channels a future president-elect trump. >> that's why there is a bit of the white house right now does have a creditability crisis on this. they did. mock anybody who criticized their position on putin, particularly during the 2011 win he proclaimed he wanted to be more flexible with the then president. this is a particular problem.
i think the actions right now that you see in the twilight of the obama presidency do look like they're somewhat toothless. >> i don't think the current president has really changed his view of russia. he's continued to say even in recent days these people aren't that strong. they don't make anything important. they're not that great a country but we need to deal with them as a threat. >> he still doesn't see russia as a problem? >> i'm not sure. he does see russia as a big problem but russia has made itself a big problem, that the united states has not figured out under this president how to deal with. >> i would have to say the only difference is that russia has actually tried to undermine our democracy. this is why the reaction of the president has been such as it is and i mean the thing, too, is on the republican side, the person who is the leader of their party is tweeting how wonderful vladimir putin is and that is a problem for republicans. how are they going to deal with that? you had a question about what's going to be the big fight.
here's the thing. trump's campaign rhetoric is going to bump against mitch mcconnell and paul ryan and what they want to do in their budget especially when it comes to social security and medicare. trump said i don't want to touch those things. so what is that going to look like as we get into -- >> how long the price tag of populism can last on capitol hill before there's a collision with the fiscal hawks on capitol hill? >> let me mention a trump team spin if that's the word, of the way trump has spoken about putin, one way to portray that is he's trying to get putin to trust him. that's the way it's described by people around mr. trump. but then you have to ask is putin never going to trust the united states and can the united states ever trust putin? that's the challenge. >> let's move on to the democrats, this was a tough election. right? >> absolutely. >> this was a tough legislation. who is right now the leading
spokesperson for the democratic party? is it warren, bernie sanders, joe biden? what role is obama going to play? who leads the charge? >> right now president obama is the leader of the democratic party. >> 20 or so days. >> for 20 or so days and we have seen what he's planning to do which is trying to put an organization to deal with redirecting. will help rebuild the democratic party. the democrats need to come together and create a national resistance and it's going to start in the states and we have 2018 coming around and that's going to be important to get back the state legislators and the gubernatorial races and it's going to lead not just 2020 election but redirecting and lastly voter suppression is key. that's where i believe the democrats should be trying to really get behind.
>> what about the notion of a new outsider, taken a page out of the republican playbook? it doesn't have to be -- >> a ceo. >> or a mark cuban. >> yeah. >> kanye is out there. you know. but seriously, howard schultz, founder of starbucks stepping down in april i believe it is. ready to go maybe? maybe? >> it certainly is a possibility and donald trump has shown that playbook can be followed. democrats have a big bench problem. harry reid joked it looks like an old folks' home. they have a big issue here. what are they going to do to fill that? if you look at the leaders in congress, especially if you looked at the committees, who is on what committees, warren on armed services, booker on foreign relations, all that are stepping stones. resume boosters. >> i've got to get to predictions. to all of you, first of all what will be the biggest trump promise he delivers on and the biggest one
he fails to deliver on? >> there will be an increase in manufacturing jobs but surely not to the grand dimensions the president-elect promised because trade has not been according to economists the real cause of the loss of manufacturing jobs. something that will keep i think he is going to change the tone of the political conversation and force democrats to compete differently and change politics in a tremendous way. >> huge. >> i don't know but a huge range. >> unfortunately for a lot of americans donald trump does have the vote in congress to repeal, take away health care for many americans. that could potentially happen, something he delivers on. the other thing is for all those folks who were chanting at his rallies, mexico is not going to pay for the wall. that is not going to happen. >> no wall. >> i agree with both of those. the repeal of aca is going to happen quickly. not only a priority of a president trump but of the congress and the idea we're going to see a physical wall is not one.
i think that's something they're going to walk back on right away. >> the change in tone you're seeing that. he's shaking things up. muslim ban, not going to happen. >> that's all the time we have. we'll be right back. >> that's all the time we have. we'll be right back. so how ya doing? enough pressure in here for ya? ugh. my sinuses are killing me. yeah...just wait 'til we hit ten thousand feet. i'm gonna take mucinex sinus-max. too late, we're about to take off. these dissolve fast. they're liquid gels. and you're coming with me... wait, what?! you realize i have gold status? do i still get the miles? mucinex sinus-max liquid gels. dissolves fast to unleash max strength medicine. also try fast-max multi-symptom for a powerful rush of cold symptom relief. let's end this.
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not even you thought this was going to happen. >> early on i thought he was serious but i wouldn't have told you that he was inevitable. and he wasn't. very close election. people forget not many votes had to change in wisconsin, michigan and pennsylvania. >> was there a moment donna, where you looked at what was happening and thought this is more than just a celebrity phenomenon that he had tapped into a legitimate real movement? >> i think my early indication was back in the summer of 2015 when just a few weeks after his announcement he was already drawing big crowds. he was already dominating the electoral landscape in terms of the media. i think he put in the beginning the conservative movement on notice and then the republican establishment. but at the end of the day it was a close election. 112,000 vets. that's the real margin.
donald trump broke the blue wall and cracked it and broke it wide open and had enough votes with democrats, independents and others that allowed him to win the electoral vote. >> he wins in wisconsin. he wins in michigan. he wins in pennsylvania. >> he wins in iowa. >> states that haven't gone republican in a generation or more. >> i don't see any other republican who could have carried it because they would have run a normal campaign. they're not people who are republican or attracted to republicans but they had a gut feeling his years of working with blue collar workers and building buildings, he actually built buildings and out with blue collar people, they had this gut sense he was somehow -- he was a sign of hope that somebody cared in a way that i don't think any other republican could have communicated. >> 2016 will go down as a year where the rules change.
everywhere i went in blue states especially in so called blue states and i kept phoning back to brooklyn, hey, guys, trump posters all over the place. i kept saying don't make fun of it because that's a sign. that's a sign that the people working for donald trump or the people volunteering are out in the community putting up yard signs, communicating with people. he ran a nontraditional campaign. i give him credit for that. that said, you have to give credit to the campaign that had a consistent message, 100% of the time. make america great. okay. >> again. >> a slogan that became the song and you got a song, you got a melody. >> let's get to the popular vote. understand that's not how we elect presidents. >> it's not an issue. >> but is it an issue that three million more people, almost three million more voted for trump's opponent? >> no. >> you're telling me if donald trump had won the popular vote
by three million votes and lost the electoral college that you wouldn't be raising questions about what kind of a mandate hillary clinton had? >> i'm not telling you anything. i'm saying that the rules of the game as they were played -- >> understand. >> when you're president, you're president. >> right. >> you have the mandate of being president. now, whether he uses that mandate to unify the country and bring us together which he should is not a function of the size of popular vote but what does a good president do. a good president represents all of america. >> what can he do to reach out? >> it depends on what you mean by reach out. trump is not interested in doing what george w. bush did. george w. bush came into office and promptly reached out to teddy kennedy who wanted an education bill that teddy kennedy loved. if you were a conservative didn't make you feel better. >> if it's my way or the highway, then what you're going to see again is another round of gridlock in washington, d.c.
you're going to see retribution and retaliation. he has an enormous opportunity as every president in the first 100 days to show that, you know, he's eager to find common ground, to meet with, you know, democrats, chuck schumer, he knows donald trump, both new yorkers. have him over for breakfast, have him over for afternoon tea. and see if you can find some common ground. >> what do democrats do? do they stop trump? do they fight him tooth and nail on everything or do they try to reach out and try to work with him? >> it all depends. >> i hear both. i hear a lot of we're going to fight him. he's not a legitimate president. not my president. we're going to stop him at every turn. you hear a lot of that. >> no question. i've heard from elisabeth warren and bernie sanders and a number of democrats that will fight.
but there are also other democrats saying put something on the table, let us work together. we have a lot at stake in terms of the economy. president obama is leaving the white house and leaving the economy in a much better shape than what he found it back in 2009. we're not hemorrhaging 800,000 jobs. the economy is growing. albeit not as fast as most americans will like it to. let's see what donald trump will propose. let's see what he will propose on education. let's see what he intends to do in terms of obamacare. will he just repeal it without putting up alternative that will strengthen it or will he continue to, you know, just say i'm going to just get rid of it? >> let me turn this around a little bit. when you look, mr. speaker, at the prospects for the trump presidency, what do you fear the most? >> they will lose their nerve.
i mean, look, they're going to arrive in washington and for them to be successful, they have to stake out positions that donna and i like and the left hate. my deepest concern is they're going to arrive and you're going to have to greens going crazy over at epa. and interior. you're going to have the teachers' union going crazy over school choice. these are pretty nonnegotiable. if you're serious about school choice there is no agreement with the teachers' union. it's not possible. >> you're worried it's going to get squishy? >> when they realize how big the problem is that they decide that they're going to do the best they can and give in. >> you asked the word what do people fear the most, is that he will never rise to the occasion and that's what people fear because we have watched him after winning the electoral college, we have watched him continue to attack, to demonize. we have not seen the presence of
a, you know, the next commander in chief of the entire united states. but guess what? i still have hope. i have hope. i believe one day we might see a new donald trump emerge. i'm not putting any money on it. but i do believe that perhaps he will wake up to the fact that he's president of the united states of america. >> thank you both very much. >> thank you. >> appreciate it. >> when we come back, a look ahead to trump's inaugural now just three weeks away.
i put together a list of people who have agreed to perform at your inauguration. [ laughter ] >> so many great names here really. i love them both. >> they're the stars of "saturday night live" with their take on the planning now under way for the trump inauguration. january 20th is fast approaching. let's go to the one and only sara haines, co-host of "the view" and a certified expert on all things pop politics for a preview. sara, welcome to "this week." >> thank you jon. you read it just like i wrote it. certified expert. has a ring. >> no doubt. here we are, this inauguration is going to be huge. the first time we have had a reality tv star getting sworn in as the president of the united states. there had been talk of elton john performing, celine dion.
none panned out. what are we going to see entertainment-wise. >> president obama had aretha franklin. and beyonce. how do you top that? they performed at his inauguration ceremonies. trump, there could be less star power which is surprising considering he himself might be the star. elton john, celine dion were names that floated as performers but they reportedly turned down invites. we know that jackie evancho that rose to fame on america's got talent will be there. the more -- mormom tabernacle choir and the rockettes have been booked. >> obviously this is the most dramatic change in power that we have ever seen, at least in our lifetimes, but also a change in style. what kind of style is the trump family going to bring to the white house? >> well, it's going to be a different kind of style for sure.
michelle obama had top designers lining up to dress her and unforgettable moments and some resistance against the trumps. quite a few designers say they disagree with the president's politics and have no interest in working with melania. but the white house, top designers like calvin klein timmy hilfiger have already said they would love to work with the trumps. there will be more to follow. >> your first appearance here on "this week," first of many i assume. >> thank you. >> i assume. look back at 2016. what was your favorite pop politics moment of 2016? >> it's kind of my favorite pop moment every year is always "saturday night live" and on election year it takes the cake week after week the impersonations and the playouts of the debates were some of my favorites. i am for just comedic relief hoping sarah palin gets appointed to something because
if tina fey came back dreams would come true. it's where i get my politics right behind "this week" and you too have gotten nuggets of information on "saturday night live." >> no question. we can't forget this campaign started with trump appearing on "saturday night live." >> yeah. >> and ended with him maybe the harshest critic of "saturday night live." and alec baldwin -- >> that was back when he liked the show jon. >> yes. sara haines from "the view" and abc news, thank you for joining us on "this week." >> thank you. happy new year. >> happy new year. we'll be right back after this from our abc stations.
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good morning. hope that you didn't need any aspirin this morning, but you had a good time last night. let's introduce you to the panel. first up, we've got lawyer ajay raju. good morning. >> happy new year. >> happy new year. documentarian sam katz. happy new year. >> good morning. happy new year. >> communications exec nia meeks. >> good morning. >> and attorney journalist christine flowers. >> happy new year. >> you guys all look so festive. thank you for continuing on the celebration. this is the show where we take a look at the big stories looking backward, but also trying to look ahead to what we think is coming, and, of course, a key question on that is trump. what do we think when we reflect over the past year, and as we stand a couple of weeks out from his inauguration? first of all, let's get into the electo