tv Late Night With Seth Meyers NBC September 5, 2017 12:37am-1:37am EDT
>> announcer: from 30 rockefeller plaza in new york, it's "late night with seth meyers." tonight -- kenan thompson. from "scientology and the aftermath," actress leah remini. from "icarus," filmmaker bryan fogel. featuring the 8g band with roy mayorga. ♪ [ cheers and applause ] ladies and gentlemen, seth meyers. >> seth: welcome to "late night." how's everybody doing tonight? [ cheers and applause ] we're so happy to have you here and we want to get started. we want to have a fun show. but we also wanted to take a moment to address what happened this weekend. on saturday there was yet another terror attack on american soil. this one was allegedly perpetrated by a white
against a group of protesters in charlottesville, virginia. he drove his car into a crowd and killed a woman named heather heyer. it was a horrifying incident that left most of the country stunned and terrified. but on saturday, you didn't hear her name or the terrorist's name or even the word terrorist from our president. what you heard instead was this. >> we're closely following the terrible events unfolding in charlottesville, virginia. we condemn in the strongest possible terms this egregious display of hatred, bigotry, and violence on many sides. on many sides. >> seth: on many sides? if that choice of words made you feel sick to your stomach, the good news is you're a normal and decent person. the jury is still out on the president, as he initially refused to condemn the white supremacist movement in this country. now, he did read a statement at the white house today that finally struck the right tone, but i'm sorry, pencils down on this subject was saturday evening.
some ignored it or played it down when donald trump claimed our first black president wasn't born in this country. it was racist and insane, but he was written off as a clown, a bitter little man who didn't know an american could have a name like barack obama. then he called mexicans rapists during the speech announcing his candidacy. he called elizabeth warren pocahontas. then he brought steve bannon into the white house with him, worked to take away voting rights from black people and hammered away at the idea that chicago was a wasteland because of the violent black people living there. and now white supremacists and american nazis are visible and energetic and demonstrative in a way we have not seen in our lifetime. donald trump did not immediately denounce the white supremacist movement when given the chance. and now, whether he knows it or not, many of those people see him as leading that movement. the leader of our country is called the president because he's supposed to preside over our society. his job is to lead, to cajole, to scold, to correct our path, to lift up what is good about us and to absolutely and unequivocally and immediately
and if he does not do that, if he does not preside over our society, then he's not a president. you can stand for a nation or you can stand for a hateful movement. you can't do both. and if you don't make the right choice, i am confident the american voter will. thank you, guys. [ cheers and applause ] so, after two days of intense public pressure, today the president was finally willing to say that nazis are bad. for more on this, it's time for "a closer look." ♪ [ cheers and applause ] >> seth: saturday's violence in charlottesville was preceded on friday by white supremacists marching on the uva grounds using nazi slogans and salutes, and, in a photo you've probably seen by now, holding tiki torches. [ light laughter ] this looks like an episode of "survivor" where nobody lasted eight hours. [ laughter ] also it's really hard to come off as an intimidating mob when
[ laughter ] "mom, can i borrow the tiki torch?" "is it for a nazi rally?" [ light laughter ] "yes." "then, no, kevin!" in fact, this display was so vile, that even the makers of tiki torches came out and condemned the white supremacists, issuing a statement yesterday that read, "tiki brand is not associated --" [ laughter ] "-- in any way with the events that took place in charlottesville. we do not support their message or the use of our products in this way. our products are designed to enhance backyard gatherings." [ laughter and applause ] you know it's bad when the thing you were angrily waving denounces you. [ laughter ] that's like regular torches saying, "we apologize for the behavior of our villagers. we love frankenstein." [ light laughter ] now, there should be no doubt about who these people were or what they believed in. they told us in their own words
flags, nazi flags, nazi slogans, and nazi salutes. in fact, they made it very clear who they were when they spoke to the media, like these guys on fox news. >> where are you guys headed? do you know? >> not exactly sure yet. >> we're trying to survive. >> yeah, we're trying to survive. these -- >> dude, they're [ bleep ] gassing us, dude. >> degenerates. >> the [ bleep ] are gassing us, man. >> pardon his, uh -- his french. >> seth: pardon his french? i'm pretty sure that was german. [ laughter ] but you don't have to take it from me. take it from 94-year-old british writer and world war ii veteran harry leslie smith. when he called the marchers in charlottesville nazis on twitter, someone responded, "they're not nazis, just disaffected young white men asserting themselves." to which smith responded, "i guess i got confused when they gave the hitler salute and chanted 'blood and soil,' because it reminded me of who i fought in my youth." damn. [ cheers and applause ] i mean -- not only is it amazing that he's
amazing that he's using twitter at all. he's 94. [ laughter ] when he was young, twitter was just tying a note to an actual bird. [ laughter ] retweeting was impossible. [ light laughter ] and just to make it perfectly clear who these vile bigots think their allies are, here's former kkk leader david duke, who also showed up in charlottesville. remember, trump at first refused to reject duke's endorsement during the campaign, and duke picked up what trump was putting down loud and clear. >> we are determined to take our country back. we're going to fulfill the promises of donald trump. that's what we believed in. that's why we voted for donald trump, because he said he's going to take our country back. and that's what we got to do. >> seth: just a reminder, this guy thinks he's a member of a master race, when in fact he's beavis' rotting corpse. [ laughter and applause ] so, you got the former leader of the kkk sayingli
the nazis and white supremacists who rallied in charlottesville were doing so in donald trump's name. now, normally, you might think any president or any decent human being in that position would want to swiftly and unequivocally disavow them. and in this case, we also happen to have a president who has no problem quickly condemning things when he feels like it. just in the last week, he slammed the senate majority leader of his own party and got into a war of words with north korea. he tweeted insults about everyone from jeb bush to meryl streep to people who drink diet coke. [ laughter ] trump has a permanent hard on for condemnation. and yet when it came time to condemn white supremacists and nazis, it was limp [ bleep ] city. [ laughter and applause ] >> we condemn in the strongest possible terms this egregious display of hatred, bigotry, and violence on many sides. on many sides. >> seth: that statement was so limp, he should have concluded by saying, "this has never happened to me before. i don't --" [ laug ]
and the whole thing is such a bummer, because nazis were like the last thing we all agreed on. indiana jones fought the nazis and we love indiana jones. of course, trump probably didn't think the ark of the covenant should have been in a museum. he probably thought it should be in his apartment. [ laughter ] "see that? it's full of ghosts. it's where we got eric. [ laughter and applause ] he just crawled out. in a bundle of terror." so in his tweets and his original saturday statement, trump repeatedly declined to denounce nazis and white supremacists by name, which brings us to trump's statement today. after two days of relentless public pressure, the president finally got around to saying specifically that nazis are bad. >> racism is evil. and those who cause violence in its name are criminals and thugs, including the kkk, neo-nazis, white supremacists,
and other hate groups that are repugnant to everything we hold dear as americans. >> seth: it took two days for trump to say that. it shouldn't take longer for the president to do the right thing than it takes to get a package from amazon. in fact, it would have taken less time to literally order a dvd copy of "do the right thing." [ laughter and applause ] so, it took two days for trump to finally call out nazis by name, which means that in the meantime, white house officials had to go on tv and make excuses for him. like on saturday, when homeland security advisor tom bossert actually suggested trump chose not to mention the groups by name so as not to dignify them. >> what i would say is that the president not only condemned the violence and stood up at a time and a moment when calm was necessary, and didn't dignify the names of these groups of people. >> seth: what? just because trump says someone's name doesn't mean he dignifies them. if
your dignity. [ laughter ] case in point -- >> we're fortunate to have governor chris christie with us. [ laughter ] [ cheers and applause ] >> seth: and when that didn't work, an anonymous white house official had to grudgingly issue the weakest of statements condemning the white supremacists. the white house official insisted, without even putting his or her name on it, that when president trump condemned all forms of violence, bigotry, and hatred that were on display in charlottesville this weekend, of course that includes white supremacists, kkk, neo-nazi and all extremist groups. but they even managed to screw that up. because when they first sent the statement out, they apparently couldn't be bothered to spell check it. >> this is a statement just out from an unnamed white house official. quote, "the president said very strongly in his statement yesterday that he condemns all forms of violence, bigotry and hatred, and of course that includes white supremacists, kkk --" there's a typo here, notice it. "nephew nazi, and all extremist groups."
nazi" they met neo-nazi. [ laughter ] i assume that's a typo. >> seth: apparently even auto correct can't believe we're still talking about neo-nazis in 2017. [ applause ] "nephew nazi," of course, was also hitler's favorite comic strip. [ light laughter ] "he says he did not eat the cookies. but he knows who did." and by the way, it's worth pointing out the white supremacists rallying in charlottesville say they were there to protest the removal of a confederate statue memorializing robert e. lee. so let's be clear about something. the symbols of the confederacy are symbols of slavery and white supremacy. confederate leaders said as much in their own words at that time. and to ignore that or sanitize it is historical revisionism of the worst kind. and yet mainstream gop politicians have repeatedly done just that, like cory stewart who ran for governor in virginia this year and whose campaign was based almost entirely on
stewart spoke in front of confederate flags and once tweeted "nothing is worse than a yankee telling a southerner that his monuments don't matter." that would have been dumb enough, except for the fact that, as was soon pointed out, stewart is from minnesota. [ laughter ] [ midwestern accent ] "aw, those dam yankees are coming down, taking our monuments, yeah? [ laughter ] next they're gonna come for paul bunyan." [ applause ] that guy got ver 40% of the gop primary vote. and then there is trump's own attorney general, jeff sessions, who just two years ago said this about efforts to remove confederate flags from state capitals. >> you know the confederate battle flag, uh -- i believe in history. we can't erase history. they seek to delegitimize the fabulous accomplishments of our country. >> agreed. >> finding all the problems and highlighting them continually and ignore the tremendous achievements we have obtained.
achievements? like what? losing the civil war? if that's the case, the only thing that should be written on confederate monuments is "second place, civil war." [ laughter and applause ] and then there's trump's role in all of this. let's not forget everything the leaders of the institutional republican party have done to aid and abet trump's behavior, hoping to ride the band wagon all the way to tax cuts and business deregulation, like paul ryan. when trump attacked a federal judge just because his parents were mexican, ryan called that a textbook case of racism, but then voted for trump anyway. or mitch mcconnell, who refused repeatedly to even utter the word "racist" when asked about trump's attacks on the judge's heritage. >> he has called -- he has essentially said he cannot be impartial because he's hispanic. that's a -- is that not a racist statement? >> i couldn't disagree more with a statement like that. >> is it a racist statement? >> i couldn't disagree more with what he had to say. >> okay, but do you -- why -- will you -- do yhi
>> i don't agree with what he had to say. [ laughter ] [ audience ohs ] >> seth: watching chuck todd interview mitch mcconnell is like watching tom hanks argue with a volleyball. [ laughter ] and trump might have finally relented to public pressure and denounced white supremacists today, but those words will continue to ring hollow as long as he's surrounded by aides with ties to white nationalists who pursue racist policies. take, for example, the senior white house policy adviser steven miller who is not only vehemently anti-immigrant, but is also easily one of the creepiest members of trump's team. [ light laughter ] i mean, look at him. he looks like his soul is trapped in the painting from "ghostbusters 2." [ laughter and applause ] and then there is assistant to the president, sebastian gorka. a fitting name, since "gorka" is the sound you make when you think you're going to burp but throw up instead. [ laughter ] gorka said just last week that white supremacists are not the problem. >> it's this constant, "oh, it's the white man. it's the white supremacists.
no, it isn't. >> seth: oh, man, i'm going to gork. [ laughter ] and then of course there's trump's chief strategist and melting man-size candle steve bannon. [ audience boos ] who ran the alt-right website breitbart news, which is adored by white nationalists. even trump's former communication director anthony scaramucci denounced bannon's influence this weekend and called his toleration of white nationalists inexcusable. in fact, scaramucci, who gave a marathon press conference where he repeatedly professed his love for trump, criticized trump's original statement on saturday. >> if you were white house communications director yesterday, would you have advised he give that statement? >> well, i wouldn't have recommended that statement. i think he needed to be much harsher as it related to the white supremacists. i think he respects bluntness and he respects candor and i certainly would have never suggested him doing that. >> seth: of course, candor and bluntness, specifically about bannon, is why mooch is no longer communications director. and one of the few highlights of an otherwise horrible weekend was watching scaramucci's face as his own vulgar comments about bannon andme
reince priebus were played back to him on sunday. >> let's show everybody what you said. >> i'm not steve bannon. i'm not trying to [ bleep ]. i'm not trying to build my own brand on [ bleep ] of the president. and reince is [ bleep ] paranoid schizophrenic. paranoiac. what he's going to do is, oh! maybe bill shine's coming in. he's like -- let me leak [ bleep ] thing and see if i [ bleep ] these people the way i [ bleep ] scaramucci for six months. >> seth: look at his face. [ laughter ] even though it cost him his job, he can't help but be happy about it. [ laughter and applause ] if he had a thought bubble above his head, it would literally just say "badda bing!" [ laughter ] you know, when a presidency that has essentially just been an uninterrupted series of low moments, this weekend was the lowest yet. we shouldn't have to shame or pressure the president of the united states into saying that nazis are bad. mr. president, you didn't have to rise to the level of fdr or jfk. all you had to do was show the same couragend
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♪ [ cheers and applause ] >> seth: welcome back, everybody. please give it up for the 8g band right over there! [ cheers and applause ] also sitting in all week with us, he's the drummer from stone sour, whose new album, "hydrograd", was the number one selling album in the u.s. when released this summer. roy mayorga is here. give it up for roy, everybody. [ cheers and applause ] >> how you doing, seth? >> seth: good. thank you so much for being here. >> thanks for having me. >> seth: our first guest tonight is a comedian, actor and emmy nominee who you know from his 14 seasons on "saturday night live."
snl returns september 30th. you can catch "weekend update: summer edition" thursday night at 9:00 p.m. please welcome back to the show, our very good friend kenan thompson, everybody. [ cheers and applause ] ♪ >> seth: hi, buddy. >> what's up, dog? >> seth: i'm so happy to have you here. i was so excited earlier this summer to see that you have been nominated for your first emmy. congratulations. [ cheers and applause ] and it was -- >> thank you very much. >> seth: it's for writing music and lyrics for a song -- >> that's right. >> seth: on -- you wrote it with chance the rapper. >> this guy right here. >> seth: so this is very exciting that your first emmy nomination, you're sharing with chance the rapper. was it a fun -- you basically wrote a song about obama's last christmas in office. >> yeah, it was the last christmas before obama was leaving office. [ laughter ]
it was painful. but it's befitting that, you know, my first nomination would be with a, you know, a guy as great as chance, you know what i mean? >> seth: yeah, exactly. >> he's really doing a lot in the community and stuff like that. >> seth: he's a fantastic guy. was it fun to actually sit down and write a song with him? >> it was. i mean, he did kind of just write it like at the microphone. it was like more like, "no, this is more natural." you know what i'm saying? >> seth: yeah. [ light laughter ] so he's so good that you had to do it at a computer and then he just did it in real time. >> yeah, actually shout out to will stevens who actually wrote it. >> seth: oh, fantastic. >> and he actually spent the whole night, like, on his keyboard. it was funny like watching a white dude figuring out rap. [ laughter ] it was pretty great. >> seth: it's never not funny. >> it was pretty great. it took hours. [ laughter ] >> seth: and then chance did it just immediately? >> immediately. straight at the mike, like, "naah, i'm going to say this." "that's way better!" [ laughter ] >> seth: 15 years on "snl." we always talk when i have people from my era. what is the sketch that you -- made it to dress that you're upset did not air? what is yours? >> it's called active jack. >> seth: i remember active jack.
>> it was like a -- you know, a fitness type saturday morning show basically. >> seth: yeah. >> and it started with bruno mars as active jack. >> seth: it was black and white. 'cause it was a show from the -- >> '60s or '70s, right. so it was black and white. and he's, like, "come on, kids, let's get active!" and like start singing and dancing all around and did this whole song. and then it was the 50 year anniversary of that. >> seth: yeah. [ light laughter ] >> so we were celebrating. >> seth: and then you played old active jack. >> i was old. [ laughter ] old active jack. >> seth: and it was a lot difficult-- you couldn't even get up the stairs. >> no. >> seth: yeah, so there is young active jack. >> going up and down stairs and stuff like that. >> seth: and then there is old active jack. [ laughter ] [ cheers and applause ] >> so scared and so confused. >> seth: yeah. and i remember it was a very upbeat song. it was like a song that only bruno mars could dance and sing to. >> oh, he's amazing. >> seth: yeah. >> and than i got to like do it badly. [ light laughter ] very funny.
and you know, unfortunately -- >> seth: it was one of the -- sometimes things get cut because they bomb. i would argue that got cut because bruno was such an exceptional host. that it was very hard show to make choices. >> it was. it most definitely was. so that would be my one that got away. >> seth: there you go. well hopefully bruno comes back and you get a chance to do it. 'cause you're only getting older which helps the comedy. >> right? [ laughter ] like less prosthetics, less wigs, my own hair. >> seth: i was very -- one of the things that broke my heart, one of the many things that broke my heart about david ortiz's retirement, being a red sox fan, is it was one of my all-time favorite "weekend update" characters of yours. so for you to lose a great sports impression, i was so happy last thursday on the "weekend updates" to see you play lavar ball. >> i mean, thank god for the world, you know. the world just keeps -- >> seth: yeah. the world gave you lavar ball. there you are. >> -- giving us these characters. [ laughter and applause ] you know? what can you say? the guy, you know, he -- he loves his kids. >> seth: he loves his kids. and he's pure ego. >> a thousand percent. he has enough ego for all 17 kids. >> seth: and what did he say was
>> they're made out of south african rhino-soceros horn. [ laughter pure rhino-soceros. >> seth: the great thing about watching it was when you said rhino-soceros, i immediately wanted you to say it like ten more times in the sketch. >> yeah. for sure. >> seth: and i think you came pretty close. >> i was lucky for it to get on in my opinion. because they have such a great lineup with the trump boys and then bill calling in and leslie and all them too. so i didn't really know if it was going to make it or not. and then they told us like, "all the features are in." i was like, "okay, i got to go kill this." >> seth: so even 15 years in, you're still backstage saying like, "oh, am i going to be in the show or not?" >> oh, i mean nothing. >> seth: yeah. >> i mean absolutely nothing. [ light laughter ] 15 years, it doesn't matter, because like, it's all about, you know, a live show for that week, you know what i mean? >> seth: do you, at least now, 15 years in -- had it not been in, would you have been crushed or would you have just said, "oh, that's okay?" >> no, i was ready for it not to be in. i was surprised that it went in. we would have maybe tried it the next week or wait until the show comes around. i mean, 568 shows today for you, my god.
that's crazy. [ cheers and applause ] >> so, i mean, "snl" because it is such a protected place, it's very similar to that, because we always know there is another show coming, another opportunity. >> seth: yeah. and you have a sense lavar ball is gonna stay in the news. >> i think so. >> seth: yeah. >> i feel like he likes it a little bit. >> seth: yeah. well that was the interesting thing about scaramucci, was there was a one-week window to do a scaramucci. and now it is already -- i'm glad bill did it, but i don't think bill's gonna be dining out on scaramucci. >> yeah, it's not even fair, man. he was, like, you know, a fillet left behind. >> seth: yeah. it was like he -- >> eight-ounce butterflied fillet. sit there. because i'm not feeling steak tonight. >> seth: sir, if don't eat this soon, there's gonna be flies over it. >> it's okay. i'll just pay and leave it. [ laughter ] it's sad. >> seth: you went to -- dave chappelle's doing a series of shows at radio city. >> yes. >> seth: and you went on saturday and a lot of our "snl" friends were there. >> it was an amazing night because number one, the homies
so pete went out first. >> seth: pete davidson. >> he crushed it. yeah. and then colin went out, colin jost, for everyone. [ light laughter ] and he did his thing. and then che went out, michael che. like a rock star, because you know, he's new york, home grown, so they really gave it up. and then leslie came out and just, like, tore the roof off. >> seth: yeah. there are no -- leslie is currently leaving no roofs on buildings. >> no. it was just funny to hear the people around me, like, "yes! work, leslie, work." [ laughter ] like, "oh, see who's in the house tonight." and then they reset for like 15 minutes or 20 minutes and you're thinking that it's just like the typical comedy show or comedy evening or whatever. and then dave chappelle just came out like a freaking rock star. >> seth: that's amazing. >> like from out of the floor, like the smoke, the lights, the old school, like arcs of light and all of that. >> seth: have you ever come out of the floor? i'm realizing i've never come out of a floor. >> it's -- you know, my own personal, but nobody's been there to watch. [ laughter ] i actually do it every morning, that's how i get up.
but he just came out like a star and then immediately started, like, tearing trump's butthole out. [ laughter ] it was awesome. >> seth: well it's been interesting to read about it, because -- [ applause ] >> it was that day. it was that day that all that stuff was going on. and then, you know, of course he felt like the burden because when he was on "snl," and he hosted last, like it was right after trump got elected. >> seth: yeah. >> like, america gave him a chance. and he was, like, "man, eff that." >> seth: yeah. >> i was like, "yeah, man, i feel you." it's crazy times. >> seth: well, i'm so excited for next thursday. i'm so excited for the season premiere. >> yeah, man, it's going down. >> seth: and such a pleasure to have you here as always buddy. >> thank you. [ cheers and applause ] >> seth: kenan thompson, everybody. "saturday night live" returns september 30th, here on nbc. we'll be right back with leah remini. >> lean remini, woo! [ cheers and applause ] ♪ day 13. if only this were as easy as saving $600 when you switch to progressive. winds stirring. too treacherous for a selfie. [ camera shutter clicks ]
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r ♪ ♪ [ cheers and applause ] >> seth: how are you? >> good, how are you? >> seth: good. i'm very happy to have you here. congratulations on your emmy nomination. it is very exciting. >> it is exciting. >> seth: so this show was inspired by a book you wrote in 2015, "troublemaker," that sort of detailed your experience with the church of scientology. >> sorry, i'm fussing because i just ripped my dress in the dressing room. >> seth: oh, really? >> yeah. [ light laughter ] >> seth: do you think -- do you think -- did the scientologists do it? >> no, i think -- [ laughter ] yes. it's a plot, it's a plot. so it was actually inspired from other people telling their stories. >> seth: because once you wrote -- is it fair to say -- safe to say that once you wrote your book about your experience,
you were approached by a lot of other people that had a similar but also, you know, it is one thing to leave scientology. it's another thing to speak out publicly. and i knew that i had to do that. because scientology has a policy that if you leave, you can leave, but you just have to leave quietly. if you publicly speak out, then they label you an enemy. and then they start to attack. so i knew that i had to do something to let people know on the outside that i was with them. >> seth: and one of the things you talk about that came up a lot on the first season is this idea of disconnecting. can you explain what that is and how scientology -- >> yes. like i said, if you leave and speak publicly, then anybody in your family, all your friends, would have to disconnect from you. they shun you, basically. and so that's what disconnection is. and i was seeing that over and over again. of course, i knew the policies of scientology when i -- because i was raised in it. but i actually never saw it happen. you know we -- you grow up in scientology thinking it's "us against them" mentality.
and it's a slow indoctrination into this brainwashing cult. but i should probably be kinder so early on in the show, but -- [ laughter ] >> seth: well you do -- now you have -- you know it seems like there is more and more information about what scientology is and i think maybe a little bit more warning about it more than there were in previous years. yet it seems to be, according to you that people within scientology are not exposed to that information. how does scientology sort of control what people within it are exposed to and what they're reading? >> good question. yeah. sit on that for a second. yeah. how -- how does it happen? it happens by very early on in your indoctrination. this mentality that it's us against them. don't read the newspapers. don't watch television. don't listen to critics of scientology, and they have all this information on people who leave. they were doing weird things with animals. they had packets on them. you're like, "huh? joe was doing that?" and so they're, like, "yeah, you can't call him though to verify it.
because if you cale >> seth: yeah. we've one of those guys here. >> oh, you do? [ light laughter ] his name joe? >> seth: i shouldn't say. >> okay. [ laughter ] so, you know, you're not allowed to speak to people once they leave. so there is no verifying that information. if you do call them, then you're interrogated at your expense and you're put on a lie detector. so, there is a lot of repercussions to looking outside of the organization for information. and so you're just not allowed to do that. does that answer the question? are you still like -- yeah, but why didn't she still look? >> seth: no. and i understand. it certainly also seems what you're stressiong, which makes a lot of sense, is this all happens slowly. obviously you i think were raised into it. but people get into it even later in life. >> yes. >> set: it must seem like a very nice helpful thing. >> of course! >> seth: i can't imagine your early time in scientology is negative. >> no, of course. in the beginning, it's like you learn how to talk to people. look at them in the eye when talking to them. you do little courses on finances and how to achieve your goals. you know, $35, $45 courses.
and as you go on, you know, it's a pay as you go proposition, right? you're in at $250,000 by the time you're done. and i'm being, again, very kind. >> seth: it also seemed to be burdensome to your professional career which was thriving while you were still in the church. but you were on a show and they wanted you to recruit. is that accurate? >> yes. all of scientology celebrities are asked to recruit. but all scientologists are asked to do that. you're asked to kind of live, you know, a different life outside, in the real world, like you know, present yourself as a perfect person, befriend people like you who are in the arts. and become friends with you. >> seth: no one ever tried. it really bums me out. [ laughter ] >> and i have a similar experience with being hit on, like in the industry. like, nobody ever hit on me. >> seth: really? >> no. >> seth: well look, i hope you -- >> not that i -- [ talking over each other ] >> seth: no, i mean, i -- >> i mean i could try to recruit you. you could try to hit on me. >> seth: but you would get incentivized. [ laughter ] i'm -- >> well -- what were you going to say? are you going to hit on me? my husband is in the dressing room but he knows -- >> seth: i know. i met your husband ahead of time so i feel like this is gonna
stink. gonna -- i'm gonna be a scientologist. [ laughter ] like, i'm willing to do it if there is a quid pro quo. but i don't want to like nothing and the next thing you know i'm out 250 grand. >> you're right, you're right. [ laughter ] >> seth: but you would get -- there was an incentive to recruit. >> yes. i mean you would make 10% off of whatever -- whatever you brought in. because, you know, scientology costs money to do. it's not a free proposition. so, you know, if i brought you in, and you went up -- all the way up the scientology bridge, you would be in a million dollars and i would get 10% of whatever you -- >> seth: yeah, i'm in the hitting on you. [ light laughter ] this is bad deal. >> yeah, i'm not in. so you're good. you're good. but, you know, that was the job of scientologists and celebrities alike, is to appear like you're -- you know could be very helpful to, you know, people in the business. and it does usually -- you know, to have like a real friend in the business who tells you the truth and goes, "you know, i have something that can help you with this," you know, your
marriaor you're having a problem with. so, yeah, it is hard to live up to as well because you have to put on an act that there's nothing wrong with you. >> seth: yeah. >> you know, like you don't have marriage problems. you don't have financial problems because that would be a bad example. >> seth: yeah, i would feel like anyone i met in show business who is pretending nothing was wrong, i would already be suspicious. >> right, right, right. >> seth: hold on. >> no, no, no. you know, and of course i would complain to make it appear as though, but, yeah. >> seth: i also to want to -- briefly before we wrap up, i'm very excited you're going to be reuniting with your old friend kevin james. "kevin can wait" next year. congratulations. >> yes. thank you. thank you. [ cheers and applause ] >> seth: congratulations on the emmy nomination as well. really lovely talking to you. i really appreciate it. >> thank you so much. >> seth: leah remini, everybody. season two of "leah remin: scientology and the aftermath" premiers tomorrow night on a&e at 9:00 p.m. we'll be right back with more "late night." [ cheers and applause ] ♪ modern life deserves a modern way to pay. you excited?
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place to cheat the olympics? >> yes. state-wide system that cheated the olympics? >> of course. yes. >> seth: please welcome to the show, bryan fogel, everybody. ♪ [ cheers and applause ] >> seth: welcome to the show. >> thanks for having me. >> seth: this is a fantastic documentary. and like a lot of my favorite documentaries, it feels like the subject sort of turns based on what you discover over the course of making it. it begins with you doping yourself in a way that will evade testing. avoid -- get away from testing. and you use a russian scientist, that we saw in the clip, grigory rodchenkov. am i saying that right? >> yes, grigory rodchenkov. >> seth: and so were you honest with him in what you were trying to do here, which was to expose sort of, you know, the -- how
people hide doping? >> well, i was. and that's a whole other story, how i get led to him. but essentially, you know, lance armstrong had evaded 500 anti-doping controls clean. so i'm going, "wait, what is wrong with the system?" not "what is wrong with lance?" and in this investigative journey, i get led to grigory. and i go to grigory and i said, "hey, will you help me dope and evade positive detection and teach me how to game the system?" and he goes, "yes." >> seth: yeah. [ light laughter ] and it's interesting because this was, you know, a man who is behind the russian athletic program basically doping and avoiding being caught. and yet he comes across as in that clip, he's a very loveable character. did you hit it off with him right away? >> well, the amazing thing about this guy, as you see -- and i mean, he's loveable. he's likable. he's funny. he's garrulous and then he has this side to him, which you could never imagine.
which is essentially he was the mastermind of russia's and he wasn't just doping all the track and field athletes. he was doping pretty much all russian athletes across all sport and this program was in place the last 40 years. and in so doing, russia essentially stole thousands and thousands and thousands of medals from clean athletes all over the world. not to mention all the american athletes. and grigory was the mastermind of this program, which i don't condone. but on the other hand, he is this incredibly warm and likable and loveable character. >> seth: i can't believe with everything else he did, he had time to be in a documentary. [ light laughter ] >> you know and that is the -- and that is the amazing thing about it, right? i first start talking to him right after the sochi olympics. and his job at sochi is he's running the lab.
and what he's doing at 3:00 in the morning is he, with the help of the fsb, the kgb, are collection bottles and dumping out the dirty steroid urine of all the russian athletes and swapping in clean urine. so this is what he's doing essentially while i'm corresponding with him. and so the fact that he had time to come to los angeles and smuggle my urine back to russia to be tested, i mean, it is mind boggling. >> seth: now, during this, he basically has to flee russia because a report comes out -- tell us real quick about that. >> so we had been working together at this point for almost two years. and the second year that we're working together, there is an investigation that's been launched by the wada, the world anti-doping agency. and this investigation was launched because of this german television documentary. and it's alleging that there is a state-sponsored system in russia to dope the athletes and
grigory is under investigation. november 2015, they release the findings of these reports. but it's only track and field at the time. but it's alleging that this system is true, and that grigory is essentially behind it. and in a period of about five days, putin is on state television denying all the allegations. not only is he denying it, he's saying that this is an individual act and anybody who was part of this will be held individually responsible and punishment will be absolute. and grigory and i are skyping. and we're having a conversation about five days after. he has two fsb, kgb agents living in his home guarding him. he tells me that there is a suicide plan in place that they're going to kill him and that he needs to get out of moscow. and i buy him a plane ticket on my credit card. it was just -- it was -- i just felt like my friend -- you know, wasn't about a movie at that
point. >> seth: andow him for a while because he is under now american protection? is that -- >> he is under federal protective custody. so once he gets to los angeles, we spend about seven months. and in these seven months i compile what is thousands of documents of evidence of this fraud, of this scandal. we bring it to the "new york times." this sets off a whole other investigation. everything is proved, and at the same time, the department of justice launches their own investigation into the scandal. and because they believe that grigory's life is at risk and they get intelligence that russia is going to essentially do him harm, he has been in federal protective custody for the last year and two months with this ongoing investigation by the department of justice. >> seth: well, it is a fantastic story. it is amazing not only how you found your way to it, but how you sort of reined it in once you had it. so thanks for making it. thank you so much for being
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