tv NBC News Special 2016 Election Night NBC November 8, 2016 11:00pm-1:00am CST
the drama, the anxiety, the sense of this night can certainly be seen in the faces at twoif not far away from each other here in midtown manhattan. and the trump headquarters, happy faces, hands in the air as they watch their candidate defy the polls and powering to a significant lead here. tonight in this race for president. where at the clinton headquarters, long faces and tears. here's the national vote right now, the popular vote. trump with 48% to 47%, but as we
about battleground races. and the race to 270. trump right now has climbed out ahead to 2414 to clinton's 209. there are some remaining states here. they are all in the too close to call category. starting with michigan. too close to call. wisconsin, new hampshire, and you can see the difference is 6,000. the difference in new hampshire. maine is too close to call. minnesota is pennsylvania, part of hillary clinton's fire wall, still too close to call. 7,000 vote difference there. i don't know if you caught that. nevada is too close to call, and arizona, too close to call. these states will keep us up for a long time here, waiting to see who can pass that 270 mark. there's the map, it started all gray at the beginning of the evening, it's 7:00 eastern time.
that encompasses the south and the middle of the country, but smatterings of blue in the states that count. the gray areas, toot close to call states. and right now the trump people feeling better and better about their chances of seeing donald trump become the next president of the united states. and back here with my panel, chuck, you gave us a scenario a ment ago 269-269 tie. let's talk about some of the it was a 7,000 vote difference now in pennsylvania. >> look, what's out in pennsylvania, slightly leans her, there's a lot out in allegheny, it's a county she should carry. but let's talk about the bigger -- >> down to 4,000 by the way. >> let's go to the big blue -- remember the big blue wall? we've all said it, those states that have voted democrat in every single presidential election going back to '88, pennsylvania is precarious, all he has to do is win pennsylvania
states, you know, it's done, he's over the mark. michigan, wisconsin, those three, he could win all three. right now, she leads in, you know -- she's got i think a path to victory in michigan and a narrow one in pennsylvania, but the bottom line is he broke the bi blue wall. he did. he cracked it. >> look at where the candidates spent their time, there's no question that the clinton campaign took the big blue wall for granted. they never went to wisconsin as i understand it, and trump i think made six different visits, or six stops in wisconsin. >> by the way, there were members of the republican party, okay -- this miss by everybody is even like republican consultants are going, why is trump doing that? wisconsin's done. wisconsin was so done, the national republican senatorial committee pulled out. now they went back in to try to help johnson, but it was late. >> trump had a ton of problems
on trump is far and wide. it's the modelers. it's the pollsters. it's us in the media. the miss is far and wide. >> but what -- was the polls could not measure that was out there? >> what was missing is the underestimating of this white vote. you know, there's going to be a lot of -- a couple of -- there was one guy trying to remember where he was at. the weekly standard or remember the man's name, he had been making this argument of a missing white vote. that there was a bunch of vote that romney could have had, but didn't win. and while the census show that it was there, no one believed it was going to get activated because trump didn't actually do work to activate vote. didn't go out there with registered voter. they were listening. >> the rhetoric did it. that should get out to vote. it's donald trump rally. >> ting became for a lot of
voting for trump because it was socially unacceptable in some areas. they kept to themselves. and then the secrecy of the ballot is that they can go in and cast the vote for whoever they want to. and look, she has not been a popular figure for some time. we know they were two of the most unpopular candidates to ever run for president. bill and hillary have been around for a long time. they wanted change and agent was change. what is so stunning to me is that thent reputation for knowing exactly where the votes are, david has been saying for a month, pennsylvania. he's not going to get a vote there. i mean, why would he even go there? and they've been -- >> go back to they just underestimated -- everybody underestimated the rural white vote. everybody thought there wasn't enough white vote to lose hispanics and african americans by the margins that he's losing them by and to win. and we were wrong. >> it's a two-pronged issue.
declining as a shared electorate over the past several cycles. a lot of pollsters are not factoring in suddenly a surge in white vote and then if you see depressed turnout among the non-white vote and you're not getting the same numbers. that's how you get to a map we're looking at tonight. >> one conversation, recriminations, we started in the republican party, right? and as the night's worn on -- >> i know where you're going. >> let's talk about the democratic party now. there's going to be plenty of people that say, what if joe what biden would have been a real heir apparent. what if -- was the democratic ticket too white? >> uh-huh. >> okay. >> that's going to be -- if you look at the african american vote, there's going to be some people that say, maybe she should have picked cory booker. and the point is there's going to be that, or maybe bernie sanders was actually had his finger more on the pulse of what's going on in america. >> let's look -- >> i think the ticket was too establishment. i mean, i think that's really
is that she has been there for so long. she's talked in conventional ways about what the call of the democratic party is, and her vice presidential running mate had a wonderful record in virginia, but he wasn't all that low now and that dynamic. i don't think that they had the charisma that the white people who are out there saying i want big change. and they were sending those signals all along. we missed them because it would come and go and come and go, and suddenly, it's tonight. >> who's the leader of the democratic party? >> you tell me? >> i guess it's elizabeth warren. >> or bernie sanders. >> let's look at how the clinton campaign closed this out. the last several weeks have all been, you know, the ads talking about, you know, the things he said about women and minorities and disabled people, and it clearly didn't stick. i mean, member, a month ago we were playing when he sat on a bus. and people were openly saying, this is it. we sat up that night thinks he's
there was nothing fatal in anything that he did. >> no other candidate could have said the things that he did, taken the positions that he did, take on his own party the way that he did and continue to win one rally after another. one state after another during the primaries. this is -- >> and the clinton folks saying there's no moral e give lan si with her transgressions. >> president trump, president trump has no shackles. he won this his way. he won this ara he won this by trashing the establishment. he won this by saying some things that we all thought you couldn't say. i mean this is -- >> he won united states senator on the republican side who was actively for him. jeff sessions. all the others ran from him. >> there's going to be -- the normal rules, there's no small jeep governor on him, on anything. this is a -- this is going to be a very, very different -- we have a long way to go.
>> but strump going to act like a mandate, and if you're him, why wouldn't you? everybody said you were done and done by a lot. okay. >> halle, you've got exits. >> it's interesting to hear your conversation because you talk about the republican party needing to figure out what would happen if it were to be a president trump, but if it were to be a president clinton or not, the question of what has happened with younger voters. millennial voters. the third party factor here that you were talking about a little bit over on the other side of the set. when you look clinton performed with voters under the age of 30. millennials we call them. she got 54%. not surprising that she would see that, look at this gray slice of the pie. that's the other section here for 2016. that's gary johnson, that's jill stein, that's in some cases evan mcmullen. look at that gray slice of the pie, look how many smaller it was for president obama back in 2012. fewer voters under 30 ran from him. you can see his margin was higher than hers.
maybe cutting into hillary clinton's advantage nationwide when you look at the exit polls. and here's why it matters. state like new hampshire, right, when you look at the numbers, the vote totals here, when you combine gary johnson, jill stein, the independent candidates, it's such a close race in a place like some of these states like new hampshire that it's more than that margin. >> you mention president obama and we're watching this play out. if this goes in trump's direction, you've got a president who has passionately fought his legacy. >> this is -- this is a big ding on his legacy, not a small one. he's got a job approval rating over 50%, the third term is the history books as that bigger figure. you know, reagan got his third term with george h.w. bush that made him a larger than life figure. and look, obama, it looked like he was going to be the democratic party's reagan. by the way, he still may be
light that everybody, that democrats point to in this loss to say, oh, we got to find another obama. just in the same way the republican party spent 20 years looking for another reagan. >> the other thing is quite honestly, and the whatever the day brings, whether it's her or him, you've got to look at what they both stood for and what they want to do for the country. the country's in a big, big protest tonight. if she wins, she's got to wade through that. if he w re-examine about knowing more about isis than the generals do. and you know about blowing up health care, immediately. about having a tax program that every economist, republican and democrat alike said it's a $5 trillion deficit the moment it gets passed. it's not just what he brought in terms of stylistically, it's also what he stands for. and whether or not he'll listen to anybody else in his party. he went to meet with the senate republican leaders and not
you know, it's about how i sell the thing. >> it's almost post. policy. i don't know if the trump voter necessarily is signing on for this policy, the wall or, you know, getting -- it is a protest vote. it is a primal shout, and as long as donald trump was a big pardon any french middle finger to the establishment, every institution, so long as he was carrying that mantle, he was a ve obviously a great number of people in this country. >> let me quickly set things who are coming back and forth and figure out where we are. it's not over. it's not over, but donald trump stands right now 26 electoral votes from becoming the next president of the united states. the gray you see on that map is going to tell the story over the next couple of hours. or less or more. we don't know. those are states it's too close to call. but there's the race right now. the race to 270.
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welcome back as we continue to follow the drama of the night. who will be our next president. there has been another call in the race for u.s. senate. savannah. >> yeah, this is a biggie, katherine cortez, this is a hold for the democrats. this was harry reid's seat. she's the first latina ever elected to the u.s. senate. and she defeats joe heck. one of these republicans who really tied himself in knots over donald trump. distancing himself and then seeming at t say that he could support him and going back and forth in the end, katherine cortez wins in nevada. nevada a state that we still are saying is too close to call on the presidential level, but the this is not a pick-up, but a hold for the democrats. >> by the way, we're -- you look at missour leading. >> republican. >> toomey is leading by a
their hopes of having the senate either. and all of this, you've been talking about trump -- excuse me chuck's theory over here about 269 to 269, if that were to happen, it goes over to the congress to side. the house would determine and the senate would determine the vice president. >> mike pence has got to be happier that republicans are winning rather than tim kaine. >> what i want to do right now, all the states that remain. they're all too close to call. characterization michigan, too close to call. >> two things we are -- she is underperforming obama in wayne county which is detroit. we are a little concerned wayne county has a very bad history of counting number one. number two, there is a lot of vote left in flint, that should be a vote for her. it is going to be a nail biter. she does have a path to victory here in michigan still.
>> wisconsin right now, it looks trump. the only reason we are waiting -- just talking about milwaukee does not drop it's absentee vote until after all of the other election day voting is in. and we don't know how much absentee vote in milwaukee there is. >> they have early voting in wisconsin. >> not really. you have to like fill out a form, not a big number, but we don't know how big the number is, until w comfortable calling trump. we did this on election day and what we have, trump -- there is no path for her, but we don't know what the absentee vote looks like. we've held off. >> new hampshire. >> it's 5,000 votes, man. 5,000 votes, right? we've still got -- this could comerom anywhere. 5,000 votes. you can't sit here and say this area is available, this area is available.
boston suburbs and durham, university of new hampshire versus the rest of the state that's trump. >> maine has four electoral votes, also too close to call. >> we're going to see a split here. 48, 45, he was going to be more dominant, it's more rural. that's bangor, she's going to win portland. and so it is -- unless she sneaks in the maine too, maine has been closer than we thought it would, but depending on how michigan we'll see how important maine becomes. >> katy tur says minnesota, they think they have a shot there. he travelled there the other day and everyone looked -- had a double take. >> we don't see it yet. that doesn't mean -- obviously he is doing better than usual for a republican, but this -- there are more -- it is more likely to be a clinton state at this point than a trump state. but this is more evidence the big blue wall has a ton of cracks. >> pennsylvania.
counts are in. all the voters -- we've got to see it all. and we will probably never be able to say anything other than apparent winner when this happens. >> think about it, yesterday she's there with the president and first lady of the united states, her husband, former president, rally there. >> tom's point. so we could have a recount in pennsylvania. we could have a recount in omaha, we could have a recount in maine too. michigan could be so close it could feel like a recount at this point. so it is a -- by t >> the fact that pennsylvania's so close. this is one where the conventional wisdom is republicans want to chase that rainbow every four years but ultimately, pennsylvania comes out and votes democratic. the fact that it's this tight says something. >> there's a bunch of union voting obama democrats that are voting trump. >> as we take a quick look at nevada and then arizona we head to a break, but we continue to watch with baited breath along with the rest of the country
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call. we continue to watch them and watching all this along with us, outside our studios, on democracy plaza, a lot of folks there around the viewing stations watching this drama unfold. and joe lean kent is with some of them right now. >> reporter: lester, we're talking to donald trump supporters, alex, you are a voter in texas, why did you go for trump? >> i think that this says a lot more about hillary than it does about donald. i think it just shows that people don't trust her. him, i think it says a lot more about her than it does about him. >> reporter: now stewart, you voted for donald trump in connecticut, what -- how are you feeling right now? he's in the lead at the moment. >> i have to say that i embrace what hillary has said to the country. and i hope that donald embraces some of her sentiment about inclus sieveness. i think the american public decided that the liberal media
hand in this election and has been telling the public really who to vote for all along. and one factor for me is as a doctor is that the obamacare policies, while they are trying to be helpful to the public, all of my patients have said that it's just too expensive. >> reporter: thank you so much. live here on democracy plaza. lester, back to you. >> some interesting pieces of conversation we can pick up on, perhaps after the break. about is this more about hillary clinton and also let's face, we in many way ballot as well. the media. and that's another conversation. let's take a break. we'll be back with more coverage. decision night in america here on nbc. on nbc. it is about 11:24 now... and we are still waiting for a winner in the race for president. wisconsin, still
welcome back. democracy plaza at rockefeller center, it's 12:30 in the east. there's the national vote based on property jexs now. that's the popular vote. let's take a look now at the electoral vote. the race to 270 which is what we're witnessing right now. trump sitting at 244, clinton at 209 with a number of states here still too close to call. that will turn this election before we all walk out of here. we're going to go to howie jackson right now. among the many things we're watching as this seems to be tilting toward donald trump, the
>> we're seeing a drop in some overseas markets and something happening on the s&p 500. it was halted -- >> so there's two kinds of futures. the dow futures a lot because there's a big dow board question look at -- >> we saw a drop. >> they're down indicating at this point a 4% drop. so if the dow were to open right now, it would open 760 points lower than when it closed. really your investments are in a broader set of investments that now this doesn't happen very much, but the s&p 500, they don't generally allow it in trading. the futures to go below 5%. it hit the 5% floor and there was some confusion about why it was not going below that. there was some word out that they were halted for the rest of the night. we've now got clarification, they're not halted, but they are not going to be allowed to go below 5%. >> dropped as much as they're going to be permitted to drop. >> why this is a problem, on any
any point how it is going to open based on future's trading. tomorrow morning, i won't be able to. we know that the nikkei in japan is down more than 6%. we know that asian markets will be down. european markets, we won't be able to trade these s&p futures. now it becomes a guessing game as to how badly hit this market will be in the morning. >> all of this driven by the presidential race. >> yes, it's uncertainty. i will remind people, when you're thinking -- >> i have to interrupt you. >> we're going make a projection right now halle as we go outside. nbc news projects that hillary clinton will win the state of nevada. six electoral votes. that's an important one for her. they're all important as chuck todd points out as her path to victory is narrow. there's the vote total and that's where it leads us right now in the race to 270. clinton now at 215. donald trump with 244 in the
>> i have to tell you, the most realistic path she has to 270 is a bizarre one. it is winning pennsylvania, which right now i believe she's down about 2,000 votes. we go to pennsylvania. she has to also win michigan. which of course she's down and she's got to win both of those cds in maine and nebraska. that's the only way that the point, unless a surprise shows up at this p see in arizona, there's really no other point. i want to go here, we have pennsylvania just to show you how close it is. look, trump has taken nearly a 3,000 vote lead. there are a few areas where there's no vote at all that has come in. there's extraneous vote. i told you, we are not going to call this until all the vote is in. and even then, we'll probably even up with apparent winner,
there's a handful of precincts left in philadelphia. there's a bunch of vote there. so, let me look at this county, it's lebanon county. i'll show you what it was in 2012 so you have an idea, a red county that went big for romney. so, it's likely, you know, she might do a little bit better here. this is a county right next to a state capital county which she has been doing slightly better in, but i can tell you with those two county, maybe that leans pennsylvania, total coin flip. obviously if pennsylvania goes, that's the ball game. >> yeah. >> all right. we to want get over to the clinton headquarters right now. kristen welker is standing by. we've seen long faces, tears there. they just got like lay shot in the arm with that news that nevada goes to hillary clinton. kristen. >> they did, lester. there was cheering here at the javitz center when the crowd learned that secretary clinton learned nevada. overall, the smood somber. you can sense it.
this is anything but a victory party. as you point out, people starting to leave early. they are in tears. a lot of red faces here, lester, as they watch these results come in. one supporter describing it as stunned, disbelief, another person telling me, grief is starting to set in. of course this race is not over yet, but perhaps one of the more telling signs is that the clinton campaign has gone dark. the last time i heard from them about 45 minutes ago, when officials were insisting there is still that path went through michigan. it went through pennsylvania, pennsylvania is her fire wall. we have been saying this for days. that is why you've seen secretary clinton make so many stops to pennsylvania. she added events in michigan really trying to energize the obama coalition. african american voters, women minority voters and of course she held that big rally in philadelphia. that unity rally last night with the obamas to try to energize that part of her base. so there's a lot of surprise
to making history. the path to becoming the first female president. so all of that sinking in as they realize right now donald trump does have the lead as you're talking about right now. she still has a narrow path, but that has path continues to get a increasingly slim, this crowd here very somber tonight, les per. >> this is a remarkably close race, you want to look at new hampshire. chuck's doing that right now. minute ago it was -- a 15-vote >> it went up to landslide now, 672 votes. but it was actually at 15 about a minute ago. look, there's stale lot to come in. this is another one. we're just going to wait. literally -- >> report, four electoral votes. >> dicksville notch might actually swing at the end of the day. but you want to go there. let's go to the what-if map here and just so everybody can see why all this matters here.
i've got it's business. we have locked in nevada, so that gets her -- let's move this down here. and if you assume these four going that way, and that's a big assumption. as you could see, she can't lose anything, that gets her to 268 and she needs that district -- she needs the district in here which is not counted on this board and she needs that main district. that's her only viable path to 270 unless a bunch of absentee votes or a lot more in milwaukee than we but it's that -- it's that big. i mean, it is that narrow for her. she's got the more narrow path. trump could end up winning pennsylvania. he could do it just with a combination of arizona and michigan. >> i want to get the thoughts of the panel as we look at this and that bright red in the middle of the country and the south. and is there -- to what extent is there a racial component in this in terms of who is voting for donald trump and who is
country. there's a big white to non-white split. >> this will be a conversation going forward. >> she's losing texas by eight points. the fact of the matter is the latino vote showed up. should have been a big win for her. you don't put texas to single digits without the latino vote activates. you don't make arizona, which we're sitting here waiting on arizona. but it wasn't enough. i mean, this is -- we all bought into it becau win twice with this new coalition. >> uh-huh. >> now she couldn't totally recreate it, but i think there was an assumption that the latino vote is growing so much, it just made some of these states that they were just going to all keep moving towards the democrats, and look at the rust belt. >> well, peggy noonan wrote the best piece and the protected and unprotected. and i think what's going on, it's always important to have a conversation about where we are in race, the truth is we elected the first african american
this to me was more about class warfare and there is probably a hot war under way that a lot of us here missed. people don't like being described as living in flyover nation. it's derogatory. and these sort of lines and if there are walls in the country, they were really between the elites and, you know, main street -- >> it's a culture war. >> and not over the old things. the old culture war used to be fought and social issue. it's a culture war that slowly gets played out on the kind of immediate area watch. the kind of newspapers you read. where you get your information. i met the some of the stars of "duck dynasty" at the republican convention in cleveland. and some of the brightest businessmen you'll ever meet, but they speak about sort of the prejudice that they feel when they walk around the streets in new york city. and they're big media figures,
culture elitism is the dynamic that this planned brexit, but the one similarity is that people felt so disconnected from their leaders that they were willing to burn down -- steve smith said this, not one political party, but two. i mean, donald trump is not a republican. he's not a classic republican. and the only people despairing more tonight than hillary clinton supporters are sort of the never trump republicans who've been, you know, men and women without a country for many months. >> your former boss for him. >> he didn't vote, right? >> the next republican president of the united states potentially didn't have a single living president. >> reporter: john mccain. >> one former living nominee, bob dole who publicly supported him. >> i have the advantage of spending a lot of time in the midwest and also the mountain west, we have a lot of pals in montana and south dakota, i just got back from there. and i didn't hear anybody out there -- they weren't crazy about donald trump, but they
office. not only they did not want her, they didn't want him back in the white house again. and they talked about it quite openly to me. i really thought this whole election to get back to the original point about whether it's racial or not, it's been triable warfare, i'm going to take the white working class vote, i'm going to get the hispanic vote, the african american vote, and it's been partmeiz played that game. let's fracture the country and hope that i end up with more parts than the other guy does. and that's not in fact anything that's going to help us get through what we're going to get through. whoever wins tonight, we've got a long, tough road ahead of us. >> savannah, you brought show and tell here. >> i carry around my word clouds and the first time. this is the word cloud for how people they thought about donald trump. afraid, terrified, racest
hillary clinton's page. sorry. my fingers are not working. no, but trust me, it's going to be worth it. look at -- people have the the first female presidential candidate on the major party ticket. white males coming out in droves and that it seems when this history book is written on that really, really matters. and then you have also a lot of women who didn't support her either. so i think you're going to have a lot of reckoning in terms what have it means for race relations, but also for gender relations. >> and young women. i remember sitting down at the "today" show early summer or late spring with andrea mitchell talking about young women, but absolutely no attraction to her candidacy. felt absolutely no, not compelled to assist her in
millennials attracted to bernie sanders. it's obviously going to take someone different if and when she doesn't break this barrier tonight. >> republicans have been in the charge of the congress for the last two years. they won the house and the senate, and what did white working class america get from them? zip. >> right. >> nothing. nothing happened. they sat there and they ordered one investigation after another. they tried to repeal obamacare at one time after another. they didn't do anything proactive for the white the democrats, he runs against his own party that has control of the congress. and that we all miss the impact of that because it kept unfolding and unfolding and we kept thinking, it'll catch up to him at some point and always recover. no matter how vulnerable he was, outrageous he was. they were interested in getting at what they see as their enemy. >> but some of this -- >> it is interesting some of this.
press" set, excuse me for quoting the show. >> it's your show, pal. >> he said there's this sense that the fact that washington was stuck, couldn't really get anything done was another reason that trump is this an tech dote for it. even if he burns it down, i think there are voters who think -- >> maybe that's the point. >> that's the point. it'll be rebuilt differently and ultimately, that's what it is. trump got a big assist here too, i've had some consultants remind me of this and they absolutely are right. the nra. donald trump didn't get a lot of help from major republican institutions -- >> but the nra -- >> he did, and they came through big. this is a big night for the nra because i think they are trump owes him. owes them number one. >> they bought a lot of time. >> and just bought a supreme court seat. that's a big deal. >> look in the upper right hand corner of your screen.
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good have you here. >> good to be here but -- >> not turning out the way i know you want. walk us through what has happened from the democratic view. >> well, i mean, everything that you would think you needed to do, we had a great convention, great debate, we had a great effort, and trump came through and had a naturalistic message and a lot -- people responded to. and the democrats by the way got alhe everything that -- you cannot blame the democrats for not showing up and voting. but -- >> did you have a candidate -- did you have a candidate that was far more deeply flawed than you knew? >> you know, i think what she believed in is preparation and hard work and that you could shake a -- make some changes. she didn't have that direct message that really had appealed to people. and also she had been in politics all of her life. people knew her as being in
a very unpopular profession right now. >> there's a pretty important question that presidential candidates have to answer. why do you want to be president? i'd be honest with you, it was something that bugged the clinton campaign, what's the answer? what is it? and i remember asking her what her big idea was and she goes that we're stronger together. that wasn't an idea. that was a sentiment. i get it. do you think she ever figured out a good answer? >> i think that her nature is country has multiple problems to attack. and it's just not one simple thing to do. when trump came in, he had a simple thing, he had a very simple thing he was going to do and the power of a message, you know, overcame the power of a turnout operation. and i think -- by the way, other people on the democratic side voiced the same concern that you did, but, and that is a technical campaign, but it didn't have that sort of strong
and he had the change message, hard -- >> let me get down to florida and bring in jose diaz, anchor at telemundo been jose, the story of this election win or lose for hillary clinton will be latino vote. we saw it come out certainly in a strong way in nevada. what's the read on florida, which of course went to donald trump tonight. >> well, lester, good evening, i think that what james was talking about about the that the people who came out to vote for hillary clinton came out to vote on mass. in other words, the hispanic community for example came out strong for hillary clinton on a national level. if we look at what happened in south florida specifically with the cuban american vote, which donald trump carried tonight, it's because in that group, even those that have supported president obama's decision to open relations with the cuban regime, see the last moves that
vis-a-vis cuba as being unilateral. there was nothing in return from the cuban government to give the united states the reason to open up relations further. i think in the cuban american vote, that's what's caused the support for donald trump, but throughout the country, we have seen record numbers of latinos voting. just in the state of florida, lester. you know, 38% of the latinos that voted in early voting and yet, clearly wasn't enough in florida and may not be enough in other states. >> jose diaz, good to see you, thanks very much. we will take a break. we continue to watch and wait for the dramatic conclusion of decision 2016 on this decision night in america. we'll be right back. america. we'll be right back. ?? we asked people to write down
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there's the map as it stands based on property jexs we have made tonight. donald trump leaning 244 to 215 in the race to 270, but still a lot of states outstanding. let's walk you through some of them and look at the margins right now. i think we're going to look first at new hampshire. well, let's see what we got. all right. looks like we're going to go with michigan.
still out. a ton of ann arbor -- >> michigan not out of reach if for her. there's a path there for her. >> let's skip ahead to wisconsin before we go to the break. there we go. wisconsin -- >> again, i'd say we would have called this if we knew the size of the absentee vote in milwaukee is. but it's trending trump. >> new hampshire, 536 vote difference. >> the notch. >> but the point is, this is in about one area. this is a handful everywhere. >> we are going to take a break. we'll continue our coverage. decision night in america as i like to call it decision morning in america right after this. ric. our decision 2016 coverage continues here on today's t-m-j four. good evening im carole meekins i'm george mallet. here are the latest wisconsin numbers in the race
house speaker paul ryan won re-election by nothing less than the landslide predicted. charles joins us live from the ryan campaign party in janesville -- here to talk about it is our political panel. we have republican strategist and governor walker advisor stephan thompson, and democratic strategist and president obama's former state communication director joe
we're going back to n-b-c's decision 2016 coverage in just a moment.we're back with more local coverage in about a half- hour.will wisconsin decide the future of our republic?follow us on line at t-m-j four dot com. ay that is too early to call. we're looking at a slew of states that are too close, including new hampshire right now. with 82 votes currently separating the two of them. pennsylvania, right now it is too close to call, but trump has moved out slightfully front to michigan right now. too close to call. 58,000 vote difference. minnesota, too close to call.
in maine, 17,000 vote difference. too close to call. and the same story for wisconsin, and also arizona. and these are the states that keep us all in suspense right now as we bring the camera down on the rink. watch the states pop up in red and blue and look at that race to 270, trump at 244, clinton at 215 with what everyone agrees is an essentially needs to run the able to get there. >> she does. and right now she's behind in pennsylvania and i've run out of vote to see how she catches him in pennsylvania. wisconsin, unless there's absentee, there's game set and match. we talked about michigan earlier. i think there's enough for her to win michigan. may not matter. pennsylvania and wisconsin puts him over the top.
worrying about bangor or arizona or alaska at this point. >> eugene robinson is back with us. you were here -- couple hours ago. >> couple hours ago. i leave far couple hours and the world changes. you know. >> reporter: that was back on tuesday. we're on wednesday. >> yeah, yeah. >> look, collectively, we here at this desk have covered and participated in a whole lot of political stories. i thought in 2008 with the election was president obama, i've never can covered a political story as big as that. but this is -- i was wrong. i mean this is -- this is a nuclear bomb of a political story. it's going to be, it's going to be interesting. it seems like chuck is the number's expert, hillary clinton's going to win the popular vote. because a whole lot of votes to
up with -- by winning the popular vote, but losing the electoral vote more substantially if she does lose wisconsin, if she does lose pennsylvania and michigan is still on the ballot. >> think about where we are right now. he is on the cusp of winning the election, based on a system that up until yesterday he was saying is rigged. >> yeah. >> think about that for a mo i don't think it's rigged anymore. >> democracy. right? i think that's a good thing that the democracy's working, votes are getting counted and the one that gets the most wins. >> there's going to be democrats that complain about the wikileaks and they're going to complain about comey. >> sure. >> and they some impact, there's no doubt, but on the other hand, trump's basic message never changed. >> you have to realize the democratic party has the least amount of power that you could
the republicans have like 30 state legislators, governors, we're going to lose the federal courts, the senate, the house, the presidency. i mean, it is a utter disaster if you're a democrat in terms of having any political power in the country right now. >> sure, but also the question that comes is what does it mean to be in the republican party? >> the republican party is now led by someone who's not even a republican. >> well that's my -- i guess that's my point. okay, democrats are out of power, define republican. >> yet the republican party, even though it's led by someone who's not a republican is absolutely right has all this power, and if trump does win, indeed, is going to have to govn govern, but he will have been elected bay segment of the population. latino voters came out, african american voters came out, robust numbers, but they voted for the
coalition that will have elected donald trump. >> no. >> and it's not just a rust belt phenomenon, but it seems to be, you know, the more diverse cosmopolitan plugged in urban areas of the country versus the smaller towns, the rural areas that are not connected to the global economy that have not felt have done particularly well from we sort of comprehend this fact, the first african american president and he's going to be replaced by somebody who questioned that president's legitimacy -- >> exactly. >> for more than half this man's term. >> exactly. >> what does that say? what is the message that rural america's sending? >> the message is, you know, i think the message is embedded in take our country back. you know. and i've always kind of wondered, take it back from
and maybe that's the answer. >> and to where? >> not only that, i mean, they voted for him because he touched a nerve. and he also came out of the celebrity culture. we've been living in a time when you're known for being known in many ways. he was better known when he entered this race than anybody else. but the fact is that rural america and people who are feeling that the country's going in the wrong direction have selected a man to lead the country who engaged in outright vulgarities, misogyny, the stuff that he had to say about people the handicap for example, how he mocked him in the panel. when he was in new hampshire, socially conservative state, with low employment and went on the stage and uttered the worse vulgarity that you can possibly say in public and took -- and they cheered him on. 25,000 people. that's who he is. and, you know, they tried to change him half way through the campaign, he wouldn't change because he said look, i know i'm putting o an show here.
president of the united states and does that affect how he stands in this country as well? once they get beyond the rush of having elected a guy who's going to take on the establishment. then when they realize, this is who he is at his core, and everybody who's been around him knows that's who he is. >> now there's a clumsy 30,000 feet theory of presidential elections. and see if you agree with me on this, chuck. if you just look at temperament and look for example president bush, the by someone totally different than him. bill clinton. bill clinton with all his scandals is followed by someone totally different than him, mr. clean, so that's advertised, george w. bush. george w. bush, considered something of a hothead, you know, cowboy type, then replaced by the cool, intellectual -- >> cerebral -- >> this is the rahm emanuel theory of presidential politics.
create in a lab someone completely the polar opposite of barack obama, in every way, you would come up with a picture of donald trump. >> you would. >> who are the people, i'm curious, and i can't wait for our exit poll guys to figure out, the people who approve of the job barack obama's doing and voted trump. >> yeah. >> they're clearly -- look, i've been saying it in the state of iowa for sure. and there are a whole bunch o obama 12 and went trump. part of it was mitt romney -- obama turned mitt romney into the boss that wanted to fire you and send your job overspeeps romney was sort of an old republican argument, you know, the businessman argument. and barack obama exploited that. >> after the things that tom said and after the fact that he didn't know and didn't care to know and kind of relished the fact that he didn't know anything about anything nap he
generals he got the information from a tv show on foreign policy. the things that he said -- >> let's bring mark to the conversation. he's over there with halle jackson, halle. >> reporter: hey, we're over in the area where we're getting all of our video and images in from battleground states including campaign headquarters. peter al zander is reporting a sense of real euphoria inside trump tower right now. mark, you came over here from i think peninsula, right? you were spending time with clinton folks. >> yeah. >> what's the mood? >> manhattan country and manhattan is the center of the universe tonight far change. hillary clinton chose to spend her pre-election event time. it's four blocks up the road from here. about three blocks from trump tower. they are basically now three blocks apart. i'm told she's in the hotel with president clinton, chelsea clinton, robby mook, huma abedin -- >> closest advisors, closest aids. >> and you can only imagine, you think about eight years ago when they lost the iowa caucuses,
a time in a hotel in des moines. where they were grappling with how to deal with loss. this is a much more complicated, bigger situation. the javitz center, earlier in the evening, mood couldn't have been more jubilant. it's the biggest election eve event i've ever, eve night event i've ever seen. like a theme park. and as the results come in. people had left. some in tears. there's a game of chicken now of what's going to happen. is anyone going to speak tonight? you do? it's the end of the night. it's well after midnight, and no one has spoken. i can play with the electoral college map and get her to a majority, this is not done. even if no state that's been projected flips, but the mood over at the peninsula, i didn't talk to any of them, i should be clear, but it's grim over there. i saw more junior aids coming and going. it's a tough situation for the christians. they've got to figure out what to do. i don't think trump wants to
picking up. >> we were on the air talking with michigan governor, jennifer grantholm who was euphoric, frankly, almost giddy. do you think they got too overconfident? >> i saw her over at the center, and she did another jig. i think that tape is going to be iconic if hillary clinton loses this race. because she was the epitome of, i won't say extreme confidence that they were going to win. this is a -- unlike any race we've ever had. hillary clinton if she has to give a concession speech, it's impossible for know imagine how you write that speech. her view of donald trump was apocket liptic, not just bad on policy. >> lester, toss it back to you, thanks, mark. >> all right. halle, thanks. we will take a break. little after 1:00 a.m. eastern time. we continue to watch those states, too close to call.
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back to decision night in america. rockefeller center towering above democracy plaza where we continue to wat 270. i want to bring in the presidential historian to get some flavor and perspective on the night. doris, it was widely said that at least on paper, hillary clinton was the most qualified candidate for president. donald trump may be the least qualified candidate. is there a historical comparison with someone potentially coming into the white house with so little species? no experience in government or military? >> very rarely had somebody who
experience or military experience. wendel will i can who was a businessman and a very good guy, but he didn't actually win the presidency. i think in the old days, the parties were the ones that would choose their candidates. sop they would naturally choose somebody who was one of their own, governor, mayor, congressman, the powers have lost their powers to the primaries. and what we've seen in this race is the power of this very thing we're on right now of television. it established a people that a party couldn't establish, even the republican party wasn't for him at a certain period of time. and the power that celebrity is really going to have to be understood. the debates were powerful because he was on them. didn't matter that he said things that people disagreed with. he just kept winning. i remember we'd be on "meet the press" on sunday with chuck, and we'd say he's finished. then he'd win a primary. the normal institutions that
trump that would produce one of their own have lost their own authority in our country. >> somewhat of a mystery now. we know what he's stood for on many things. he has sometimes changed positions in the middle of one answer on, you know, use of nuclear weapons. among many, many others. so would he enter office a bit of an enigma. >> and maybe that's what people were to do. to project we don't really k so question imagine he'll be what we want him to be. even if he's changing his opinions on both side rather than a known quantity and may disagree with. maybe right. we may not know who we're getting. a lot of things about the dialogue that was part of this race that i think makes lots of people unhappy and makes us wonder where democracy has gone, then we got to always remember churchill, democracy is the worst form of government. we've got to believe somehow that people have chosen him and
leadership is up to that choice that they have made. >> and again, talk about who you put around you. the strength of a team. how much that makes the mark of a president. >> it's huge. i mean, it's not only a question of putting people around you who are your rivals as lincoln was able to do, it's much more important to have people around you who have strengths that bolster your weaknesses, but that means having a self-reflection to know what your own weaknesses are. it people around you who can trust in your assumptions who will challenge you. and that's what we needed to know about donald trump. we didn't need to know whether he was a great businessman. i wish we had more reporting on what kind of team. were there people to challenge him? did he have people around him who were willing to really go after him when he was wrong? was he able to acknowledge when he made mistakes. these are the things we needed to know about a leader and unfortunately the way our race
who was ahead and what the debates were and who had the zinger that the kind of qualities that we really need to know about and we're going to find out in reality rather than the race itself. >> doris, good to have you on, thank you so much for your perspective tonight. and i want to broaden up that notion let you guys weigh into this idea that donald trump, if elected president, would not have any previous political or military experience and do we know how he would govern? do we ha >> to some extent, if you look at certain positions he's taken over the course of the campaign, there are very few that he hasn't actually reversed himself on. i think it's a real question. and i think it'll be interesting to see how the weight of the office, if he ultimately prevails, we're not there yet but inching closer and closer to that call. whether the weight of that changes him. in a way.
this is a huge responsibility to go and say, take the oath of office and stand -- >> i'm not so sure. >> i don't know. i mean people -- i don't know. we haven't seen it. >> look how he turned his back on the political process that got him to where he is. he celebrates himself 24/7 as a promoter here in new york when he his h haze real estate empire going. selling all over the world and wherever he could. he loves being in the limelight. he loves making decisions. everyb the attention span is about that long. >> i want to belief the best about someone that's going to represent millions of americans and people have put their faith in him -- >> he got there by being somebody contrary. >> i hear you. i totally get it. >> i must say, i must say, he got there on his terms. when he started out, no one gave him any kind of a chance. he stayed true to who he thought he should be and what the country wanted. and it appears tonight that it
i don't think he's going to abandon that just because he's walking through a gate of 1600 pennsylvania avenue. >> huge promises to people and people believed him and they're counting on him. >> he comes in with the notion -- the weirdest thing, james, you're right, he doesn't win the popular vote once california rolls in, and that's fine. guess what, he is going to feel like he got a mandate. we are going to treat him like he got a mandate for one reason, he blew all of our predictions and models and of the water. he is going to feel unshackled. >> understand. he won an election. that is the most validating thing, we live in a democracy. he's going to have congressional majorities in both houses, and a lot of people are going owe their election to him. and you've got to understand what is going to happen here. there are real, real consequences. >> i think he's going to want to be the boss number one.
optimistic view and say, part of the campaign was a performance. for his audience. still, what his north star? and is it suspicion of immigration? is it -- >> donald trump? >> blow up the system. i mean, that's how he got there. and as james says, you know, he got elected urn the prose of a democracy, people chose him to be their leader because they are so upset with where it's going right now. >> iav here and get us to a break. we will continue with our decision night after this. on ni. there's nothing more important than your health. or the freedom to choose what doctor you want to see. so if you're on medicare, consider an aarp medicare supplement insurance plan, insured by unitedhealthcare insurance company. like any standardized medicare supplement plan, you'll be able to stay with the doctor or specialist you trust... or look for someone new -- as long as they accept medicare patients.
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welcome back to our continuing coverage of this historic election. we to want take you right now to the donald trump headquarters here in midtown manhattan. peter alexander is with a crowd that is growing restless and with expectations of things going their way. >> reporter: yeah lester, goo is with donald trump inside trump tower right now who describes the scene as euphoric, filled with hugs and high fives. there's new investigation that nbc news can report. this from my colleague kelly o'donnell who spoke to a top aid to speaker paul ryan and we have now heard that the speaker earlier tonight reached out by phone, speaking to donald trump in what was described as a good conversation. congratulating donald trump and also speaking to his good
president mike pence as well. what's striking about this right now as i speak to folks inside the campaign headquarters is how strongly they felt over the course of the night that they would do well, but how this result is even striking and surprising some of them. they thought they'd do well in florida. they thought they'd have a shot in pennsylvania, but they thought wisconsin would be too tough. they have a chance to win all three of them. >> peter alexander, i think that's an interesting note to hear what peter said that -- that is surprise even to the trump camp. we're going to that in a minute. we're going to take another break and be back with more after this. it is about 12:24 now... and unlikely though it may seem... donald trump... closing in on the 270 electoral votes needed to claim the presidency. hillary clinton... hoping for
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welcome back. it is 1:30 in the morning on the east coast and we are still watching the race to 270. donald trump hanging on to a 244 to 215 lead clinton. there you see the map laid out. we are stale waiting for those states in gray to help give us an answer. here's where we're at already this evening though. the states you're looking at donald trump has already won according to our projections. and then we'll put up there on the side of rock center, hillary clinton's face. you can see the states that she has won tonight. all right. we want to go to the white house right now.
i'm told you had a bit of a crowd gathered there tonight. >> reporter: we have, lester. there are several hundred people out here who have gathered -- this was supposed to be an anti-trump rally. talking to students, there are some people who are supporting trump, some supporting hillary clinton. the people up there in the tree that you see, twhaebl they are trump supporters. they are happy and the people who are downcast are clinton supporters. they are disappointed, they are stunned. they are surprised by what's happening, but they have not given up hope. house. and we believe the president and the first family are there. we do not expect to hear from the president tonight. the guidance was that we'll probably hear from him once the dust is settled and there is an outcome and perhaps that's going to happen tomorrow. you have to wonder what is president obama thinking and feeling tonight given the effort that he put into trying to get hillary clinton into the white house? and given the fact that it may be donald trump the man who led the birther movement who questioned his legitimacy who
he was in florida. he was in north carolina. on the trail. ridiculing donald trump. and months ago, he said, the president did that donald trump will not become president of the united states. well, we'll see what happens as the vote count continues to play out tonight. but again, out here tonight, a lot of energy, a lot of people who are trying to take in what has happened. this has been just a stunning night. there are several hundred people out here. and it's all peaceful. the secret service are this. there's already the set-up here, the fence that you can see here that's set up for the inaugurational ceremony that happens in a couple of months. we're here, peaceful vigil. a lot of young people gathered waiting to see how all this plays out. >> ron allen, quite a crowd there for this time of the morning. before i go to the panel, chuck, just for those who are flipping back and forth. you may be listening to this and thinking we're talking about a
for hillary clinton here. >> it's very narrow. i mean, i'll be honest. i don't see -- there's two things that, two problems she's got is pennsylvania and wisconsin here. both of them look like they're trending trump. i think we're -- we're pretty close to wisconsin. he's got about a 50, what does he have -- that's wisconsin. let's look at pennsylvania. philadelphia left. there's no big sections left. she can still win michigan, but that may not matter. pennsylvania plus wisconsin, done deal. >> we think we know where this is going. >> yeah. again, barring some -- i say this because i'll never forget what happened in 2004 and the missing, 50,000 -- >> you keep talking about buckets of those.
i remember the military votes. >> that one was like a typo by somebody and a clerk. be up 50, you know, if we were 5,000. >> reporter: more than a bucket. >> 5,000 votes, 4,000 vote dirns, you would say that, 58,000 votes is, you know, that's the story here. it's the rural areas of the big blue wall. >> you may have noticed at the end of the table here we've added richard engel, rich, you're spending time overseas, you k w about the -- they're amazed by the american political process. what are you hearing and reading tonight? >> let's cut to the chase, assuming, and that's what we're talking about, that he does win. people i'm speaking to think it's catastrophic. it's catastrophic for the united states. it's catastrophic for our position in the world. it emboldens our enemies and makes our allies terrified that we're not going to be their allies anymore. most people think that this type
that if you imagine the united states is a nuclear warship, we stop. we become totally focussed on our own domestic politics that he's going to provoke a constitutional crisis. he's going to get into a fight with the supreme court. there'll be attempts to impeach him and that for six months to a year or longer, naval gazing, we will not lead the world and other powers. russia, china are just around us. >> he called our generals he has advocated. >> reporter: tonight, a general is reading the constitution. >> they again. >> general -- i've been talking to generals far long time, they've been reading the constitution to see -- >> what do you mean? >> to see what they were obligated to do if they are ordered to round up and deport millions of americans and put them on buss or trains. do they have to do that? the president is the commander in chief. that's the stage that we're talking about. it's do they have to follow what they would believe would be an
so you have to look at this as a transformative event with america's role, not just domestically, but internationally. >> let me throw that this at you, the national intelligence, the white house, everyone has agreed that the russians have taken an active role in this election. because it's a political thing, it sometimes gets overlooked, but that's -- if you take this election out of the equation and russia did it with any american process, it's ari picture. >> well, if you look at the world, right. we used to live in a world with two great superpowers. and with the collapse of the soviet union, we're now left with the united states being the only remaining superpower. well, that has it's advantages and disadvantages. the advantage is, and also it's disadvantage, that no other state can do as much harm to you as you can do to yourself. right? and it seems to be that that is what the united states is doing right now. and russia as the last
a way to regain it's empire to regain it's position in the world was to help undermine the political system. and we've spoken to -- i've been to russia, spoken to hack tlers, intelligence communities, they had no doubt that russia was deeply involved in helping to undermine hillary clinton. they also expect that he's been -- that russia has been stockpiling information on trump. clearly trump has done a lot we know and we've talked about all the scandals with so wouldn't it make sense that if russia now would want to unleash all of the material that. >> reporter: we don't know that to be true. >> that's speculative, not my speculation, speculation of people who've been examining this including cyber experts investigating russia's role that they have material on trump. that they would be -- it would behoove them to unleash it in order to hobble him. in order to hobble us.
>> all russia cares about is us staying out of their way. this is what they want. >> we're a nuclear ship. we stop, steam comes out of the middle, russia, china, they do what they want. russia -- speaking of ships, just moves it's ship off the coast of syria and expected to start bounding morrow, tomorrow. eastern aleppo. >> he's talked about a plan in syria. >> i'm sorry. the chinese have got military stuff going on as well, lester, they're moving across the south china seas and into the middle east. i mean, they've got a whole pathway going there at that point. >> we make ourselves irrelevant, others will step in. >> yeah. >> what are they saying in turkey and what are they saying in israel and what are they saying in the middle east about what happened in that cold room of the world right now? >> i wasn't surprised by this outcome. i thought this was going to happen because it fits a trend. and you're seeing this trend in
having -- even in iceland where you're having right wing or fringe candidates emerging to the forefront. it's been a pattern. and where you have these populist leaders who are effectively doing what they want, appealing directly to the people, going through social media, going through the television, and okay, if this happens in the philippines, it's bad for that country. if it happens to the united states, it's terrible for everyone. so that's what they're seeing. this is part of the lar pattern of fringe candidates. >> this is an update. >> yeah. >> i mean, i don't mean -- i'm sit hearing. you're painting a frightening picture, richard, and i wish -- >> i wish i wasn't. >> the way that the office, will he understand the responsibility he has as. >> reporter: i'm not a psychiatrist. >> as europe's safety net. europe right now has got to be freaking out. >> well clearly, i mean he has
about our obligations to nato. and one thing republicans reelected to the senate like john mccain who are strong voices around the world on -- i mean some of his closest friends are the leaders of countries that rely on a clear voice from the united states of america. i mean, he will have a check in some of those senators and some of -- >> ironic. because there was so much talk about hillary clinton will win, we need republicans in the senate to be a check. it may fall to a john m lindsey graham on a lot of these -- >> on foreign policy, hillary clinton was much more in line with the foreign policy view of the republican establishment. she understood and valued our commitments around the world. she understood and valued the importfance o -- >> republican establishment? >> republicans still control the senate. >> i hear you, except donald trump -- the country has spoken. and the country -- the republican primary voters spoken.
establishment and now they rejected the washington establishment as a whole, the american political establishment throwing us in in the media. so, i hear you, but what kind of -- again, i go back to, donald trump won this on his own. >> completely. >> to the point where people -- one newspaper in this country endorsed him. >> the national inquirer. >> i was counting las vegas review journal. >> i think you're going to hear more saying he didn't win it on his own. emerging. >> russia? assange, who? >> russia, assange, we're going to be tieing ourselves in knots. we're going to fight over the constitution. we're going to fight over the supreme court. was russia involved? and then proving that it was involved through hacking is a very complicated task. so, i just see us not sitting back and saying, okay, well, the american people have spoken, we're just going to hope for the best and maybe that once he
he'll have an epiphany that he needs to be responsible. >> could he undo the iran deal? >> of course he could. >> the first half of your statement is a correct one. he has power because the american people gave it to him. and he didn't go to them with a one set of values and then change to another. he stayed true to who he was, however much anyone may disagree with any of that. they bought into that. that's what they wanted. they thought that that's what washington needed. you see, they also thought it's what the world needed to the market happens. the brexit regret that happened afterwards. >> i get that, but i'm telling you, that's the reality of where we are. that's the system that we have. people get to make a choice about who their leaders are and the lead verse to decide what kind of leaders they want to be. and it doesn't come from outside. it really comes from inside who they are and the kind of value that are imparted to those leaders by the people who put them in that office.
reservations, we talk about this a lot about what kind of an international leader he'll be. about how much he understands how complex all of this is. he went through the primaries shooting from the hip, worked for him well politically. we've seen other people going to that office and be overwhelmed by it quite honestly because from the moment you step in, the problems come through, through the windows, 24/7, and you've got to have gre sophisticated system for dealing with all of that. is he up to that? does he care about it? i don't know. but in the meantime, he does have the power of the people behind him. >> let's get the read over at the clinton gathering right now. andrea mitchell is standing by. andrea, are you hearing anything from the inner circle, the clinton folks a to what their read and how this evening is going to play out -- whether we'll even have an answer tonight.
there has to be some kind of announcement. it's not supposed to be open all night. there are people waiting, many have left, but many, many more are here. this is a very large facility. larger than you could even see from our camera angles. that said, there is a number of calculations involved. hillary clinton won her senate race in 2000, the night that al gore arguably conceded too soon, leading to all of the i was with her that night. there was a lot of drama and a lot of second guessing about whether al gore should not have said what he said initially and then of course he took back, and then he was incredibly gracious of course when it was all over, but that sort of began the process. so my -- i think what's likely going on is, first of all, them trying to determine whether any of these states are within the
error. that would trigger and automatic recount. if not and it's a done deal, they have to make a concession speech. and then what kind of concession speech? she has said the most cats gorically terrible people -- terrible things about donald trump. and the fact that she has said that he's unqualified, that he is a massage nis, that he is racist. all of these things she said about him, how does s cooperate, i will do what helpful and best for the country when she thinks he should not be president of the united states? that said, just last night, she told 33,000 people in philadelphia that donald trump was attacking democracy by saying that he wouldn't concede. so, if she's true to her. >> reporter: who is that in the background? >> that's a little hard to go in
procede that speech as well. >> we live in a vacuum on election nights, but there are other news organizations that have already moved some states. we haven't called yet. pennsylvania into trump. and, you know, again, we haven't done it simply because there is so much raw vote that you just extraneous and you're always nervous when it's this close and you want to to be careful when you're call ugh the presidency. but, you know, she needs a miracle. i think at >> i think the ap may have pulled pennsylvania back. >> that one, that one got a lot of the right fired up. >> that would be the end of it. >> andrea has something else to add. >> reporter: yeah, we understand that campaign chairman john podesta has left the hotel and he did say to a reporter outside, we are going over to the javitz. i think you can expect that at
coming over here. i think it may be the clintons as well. now if there's some issue of pennsylvania, the outcome of pennsylvania and what the associated press reported which we have not, that might change that, but as of moments ago, john podesta was headed over this way. they have to say something publicly. and it's been a game of chicken if you will. we know donald trump would come out and say something. clearly no one w so i expect that we're going to hear something from the clintons. you can only imagine how devastating this is. >> washington post does have pennsylvania. >> i've heard from a clinton person, they're talking about it, they claim there's some irregular lair distance and things like that. i assume -- >> who thought it would be the clinton campaign at 1:47 a.m.
it was never -- >> who doesn't love ironty? it's all over the election. >> one of the biggest controversies in this campaign is when -- i might not concede. and now it's almost 2:00 a.m. on the east coast and there's some hand wringing about how and when hillary clinton might concede. now she's on the business end of the arguments she made. >> it's such a stunning turn of events, and his overt message was to run against a rigged system, rigged and republicans, and to run against sort of the clinton machine. and then it's now the clinton campaign you're hearing from about irregularities in a state where he has an 80,000 vote lead. it's just something four hours ago i would have found stunning. >> 8,000 votes, this is not -- >> isn't that a reason for concern. if he managed to pull off this defeat, this almost unprecedented, unpredicted event
speech, we did it, even though the media was against us, nobody said we could do it, thanks to you. i would think he's going to feel incredibly emboldened to try and go as far as he can. >> do you think the result -- >> senate majority back as well. >> we were as much on the ballot. we the media as anything else, there was a great joy i think among some, stick a thumb in our eyes because of the perception -- >> i'm hearing it. >> it was -- but to your point, it was an applause line at every sing the event. our own correspondents were heckled by the republican nominee, women. >> i can tell you time after
wanted to lead with something else, but then he would do something that was provocative. >> no candidate had gone before. >> here's the first thing. that was the one unifying theme of this campaign, everyone hates the media, whether you're hillary supporter or trump supporter. kumbaya everybody. >> i have bernie bros going, see, this is why you should have given bernie more air time. >> how much of that propelling? he become a hero of the anti-media? >> it was part of his soup. >> he made, he made sort of -- some people might call it a toxic brew. i know a lot of them found it to be a magic recipe where you got his base riled up about enough things. you know we talked about foreign policy a minute ago, he won the south carolina republican primary after blaming 9/11 on george w. bush. i mean, the ideas are so outside the mainstream not of republican
foreign policy. >> the appeal of trump is that he is that protest vote. that's it. i mean, look, this is about the access hollywood tape. that's right there. the fact that he's a business -- >> doesn't care. >> and claimed almost billion dollar lawsuit in one year. he never denied it, but i think what the people are saying is we don't care. we hear what you say about him. we don't want to hear it. we don't care. >> i don't think -- >> it's not that it hasn't true, they don't care. >> yes, it's true. a lot of the coverage particularly over the last several months against trump has been incredibly negative, so you could say, well, what are we talking about? why blame the media? there were negative stories, but there was that old adage, all publicity is good publicity. we gave him a lot of publicity. he talked about himself. if you believe that all publicity is good publicity and
lot of it. >> close friend of mine who is smart who said, you know, sometimes you have to remember, you all are trying to figure it out and you're trying to figure out he did this and this, sometimes the american public does swoon for reasons. his theory was hey, obama seemed like the in thing to do and being for trump seemed like the rebellious in thing to do, and you know, maybe the country doesn't know what it's done yet, but it rode a wavend the imagination. and look, hillary clinton didn't do anything to capture an imagination, we've talked about it. it was always described as a grind. her campaign. >> if you can also say voters are rewarding authenticity. here you have donald trump -- >> unscripted. >> talked about himself more than any other thing, but you know in a way, i guess he gets points for candor, he's not one of the politicians that acts
donald trump is number one in his life, and -- >> he's an out of the closet narcissist. >> reminded me of it downstairs where she wrote that the elites took him literally, but not figuratively and supporters never took him literally. this guide on how he was perceived. the vote rs cut him a lot of slack. they didn't think the toxic kind of rablly tinged comments were putting it all out there. we all had the our hair on fire, we still do, but i think that he had -- he sort of main lined his message to the voters. totally bypassed the media. and they delivered the result. >> senate call? >> i do? i have a couple of them. we're going start in pennsylvania, i believe. senator pat toomey returns. this is a hold for republicans, big deal because we're watching pennsylvania so closely. so, read that tea leaf if you
defeat. and in missouri, let's look, another hold, roy blunt did not beat an upstart democrat that a lot of folks were hoping would make a move in a deep red state. jason who arguably had the best television ad, a veteran, i think we all remember the ad in missouri where he was blindfolded and assembled an tic rifle to say hey, i've got the same thing you care about in this state. he goes down to defeat. here we go. we called early, early on and illinois pick up for dps and that was many hours yes, it looks like senators are going to hang on. we have this close race in new hampshire. chuck, you're the one who did the math so well, vote margin, it's there for us. >> put it there for you. our decision 2016 coverage continues here on today's t-m-j four. good morning im carole meekins i'm george mallet. here are the latest