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good morning. it's trump. >> usa, usa. >> donald j. trump will be the next president of the united states. an astonishing massive repudiation of his opponent, president obama, the washington establishment, and the media. trump speaking to his supporters early this morning. >> it is time for us to come together as one united people. >> hillary clinton calling him to concede, but no speech from her overnight. her supporters devastated. his, overjoyed.
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the billionaire businessman and reality tv star, who vowed to shake things up, has. he's set to take over the nation's highest office, today, wednesday, november 9th, 2016. >> announcer: from nbc news, this is a special edition of "today" decision 2016, with matt lauer and savannah guthrie, live >> and good morning, everyone. welcome to "today" on a wednesday morning. the nation is waking up to a stunning upset. donald trump is the president-elect of the united states. anything new happen in your political world overnight? >> the voters have spoken and done so in resounding fashion. the political world remade the map, remade every assumption people make about politics undone. people have called it a political earthquake, i'd say,
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scale. >> you really could just see this happening gradually throughout the evening. it finally culminated in the wee hours of the morning. hillary clinton conceded the presidency to donald trump in a phone call. that came at about 2:30 a.m. but in a surprising move, she did not appear at her campaign's watch party and did not make an election night concession speech. she is, however, scheduled to deliver one later this morning. of course we'll have that for you live. >> so let's take a look things stand if you're just waking up. nbc news has donald trump with 278 electoral votes at this hour, 218 for clinton. we have yet to call a few key states, arizona, minnesota, michigan and new hampshire. >> as for the popular vote, it is a razor-thin margin. in fact clinton is actually leading this morning by several thousand votes. >> another major headline from the election results boosted by trump's performance. republicans were able to fend off democratic rivals.
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in wisconsin, missouri, pennsylvania and north carolina. of course republicans hold on to the house, so they have got the trifecta for trump, the white house, the senate and the house for republicans. our decision 2016 team ready to go this morning. let's start with nbc national correspondent peter alexander. he's at trump tower. peter, good morning. >> hey, savannah, good morning to you. no better way to put it than a political earthquake and this morning we are still feeling the shock waves of this. improbable victory for donald trump. trump, who this morning is still celebrating his victory from last night, has already returned to his favorite megaphone, twitter, now changing his bio to read president-elect of the united states. he also put out a message. his first words of this new day writing such a beautiful and important evening. the forgotten man and woman will never be forgotten again. we will all come together as never before.
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complicated business. >> for president-elect trump, a dramatic and sweeping victory. as i've said from the beginning, ours was not a campaignut rather an incredible and great movement made up of millions of hard-working men and women who love their country and want a better, brighter future for themselves and for their family. >> just before 3:00 in the morning on the east coast, trump from his fierce rival. >> she congratulated us. it's about us, on our victory. and i congratulated her and her family on a very, ver hard-fought campaign. >> after a brutal and divisive campaign, trump is pledging to bring the country together. >> it is time for us to come together as one united people.
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land that i will be president for all americans, and this is so important to me. >> as his aides watched the improbable victory take shape, sources at trump tower tell nbc news there was euphoria, hugs and high fives. campaign manager kellyanne conway ticking off the ingredients of an upset. rally crowds matter, we expanded the map. trump's victory built on the backs of white working class te >> every single american will have the opportunity to realize his or her fullest potential. the forgotten men and women of our country will be forgotten no longer. >> reporter: more than 500 days after descending that escalator, trump now propelled into the oval office as america's 45th president, concluding his first-ever political campaign. >> it's been what they call a
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historic, we have to do a great job. and i promi you that i will not let you down, we will do a great job. we will do a great job. >> reporter: and donald trump's campaign manager, kellyanne conway tells nbc news that president obama called president-elect trump last night, though it's unclear whether the two men were able to speak. trump will be inaugurated on january 20th, at which time he'll move from one great avenue to another. from fif a manhattan to 1600 pennsylvania avenue in the nation's capital. matt and savannah. >> peter alexander at trump tower. speaking of kellyanne conway, trump's campaign manager, she's with us now. kellyanne, good morning. i know it was a late night. congratulations to you on the campaign. >> thank you, savannah, thank you. >> can you tell us anything about this phone call that's been reported between president obama and mr. trump, what was said? how would you characterize it? >> it was a very warm conversation and we were happy to receive the call from the president.
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conversation about mr. trump's victory. he was congratulated and i think they resolved to work together, which is exactly what this country needs, to get the current president and the president-elect and others who are in leadership positions to help unify and heal the country. we expect that the two gentlemen will be meeting soon. >> kellyanne, i have to ask you a question. for months and months now donald trump has been saying that the election is rigged. would president-elect trump now was not and never was rigged? >> well, he certainly would say the system is rigged and it proved last night he's got millions of people who agree with him. i think, you know, when he says the election is rigged, matt, what he's really talking about is he couldn't believe that he wasn't winning. he'd look at these polls, hear everybody on tv constantly say he can't win, she's a shoo-in, the path is gone, there's no way. look what happened yesterday. i think there's just a frustration for him and for those of us close to him and
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other and not talking to people. and that's what he was able to do here, he was able to put together a campaign, he and governor pence, that talked to people and talked with people and not at people. >> can we go back to last night. i know hillary clinton placed a call to mr. trump. can you tell us anything about that call? and was your campaign disappointed that she didn't come out and concede in the way that traditionally losing candidates do? >> well, it's not for us to judge her conduct. i would expect and reported, savannah, that secretary clinton will come out and address her supporters and the nation indeed today. i don't know if those reports are true, it makes sense to me. but she has to do that on her own comfortable timeline. we had made our way to the hotel to see our supporters and we intended just to do there what we were doing here all night, which is watch the returns, watch the different states be called, and then eventually a victor, a president of the united states. while we were getting ready to do that, we received a call from secretary clinton. i gave the phone to mr. trump
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secretary clinton congratulated mr. trump on his victory and she commended -- excuse me, he commended her for being smart and tough and running a really hard-fought campaign. >> kellyanne, let me ask you a personal question. in your heart when you sat with us yesterday morning and said that you thought you would win this election and win michigan and some of the states that it appears you will have actually have won, did you believe it or do you have that good of poker face? >> i did believe it. while now. we just modeled the electorate very differently than conventional pollsters do. i think that sometimes there are conclusions in search of evidence. if everybody around you is saying the same thing, then you convince yourself that it must be true. we just wanted people to tell us who they were, what motivated them, their fears and frustrations. we knew, matt, we'd be able to flip one or two of these traditionally blue states because donald trump is not a conventional republican
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that harkens back to ronald reagan. a lot of putting america first and creating jobs and being patriotic and renegotiating bad trade deals. you heard him last night, though, he wants to be a unifier. he wants to help heal and bind the nation. i thought the most important thing mr. trump said last night in his victory speech was that he wants to be the president of all americans, and that includes the many who did not vote for him. >> well, we knew whoever won, they were going to have that tall order before them right away, and so it is. ya congtionrala hope you catch some sleep and thanks for being on with us again. appreciate it. >> thank you. >> again, we expect to hear from hillary clinton later this morning. kristen welker covering her campaign. kristen, good morning to you. >> reporter: matt, good morning to you. shock, anger and disbelief. those are just a few of the words democra are using to describe their mood this morning. they thought that secretary clinton was on the cusp of making history. instead she suffered a stinging defeat one that has sent shock
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she was poised to make hist but early this morning hillary clinton's white house hopes ending. clinton calling donald trump to concede the election just moments before he took the stage. but clinton did not concede publicly. instead sending her campaign chair, john podesta, to a ddress stned supporters. >> it's been a long night and it's been a long campaign, but i can say we can wt a little lo, >> reporter: facing a shrng electoral map, clinton didn't attend her rally that was being held under the symbolic glass ceiling at the javits center in new york. hours before podesta took the stage, clinton sersuprt looking shocked. some only weepin >> we got a lot wrong. i'm not sure why or how. there's a lot of -- a lot of divide. >> reporter: state after state turning the election m into a the billionaire chipping away at
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winning in what were thought to be democratic strongholds and in key battlegrounds. in florida, disbelief from latino voters after trump, who vowed to build a wall during the campaign, surged to victory. >> it's very hard for me to accept that a man of his caliber is going to be our president. >> reporter: but this morning, there is still uncertainty over a future trump presidency. dow futures plummeting overnight. an anxious crowd gathering at the white house. president obama, who furiously for clinton, facing a stunning ke.bu clinton, whose white house hopes were dashed in 2008 boy a newcomer from her own party seemed often to be on a glide path to victory, but she was dogged by voters' lack of trust in her and an e-mail controversy that wouldn't go away. back in new york, the glass ceiling still unbroken, a democrats now try to pick up the pieces. and as we wait to hear from secretary clinton later on
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house. of course president obama and donald trump are bitter political rivals. they will ineviy have to find some common ground as the transition gets under way. matt, savannah. >> kristen, thank you very much. >> and that's going to happen sooner rather than later. the white house tomorrow, trump will meet with president obama. that is something that traditionally happens and the white house just released that information that, yes, that meeting will take place there at the white house between the president and the president-elect. let's go to who was at the board all night long talking about the different paths to victory for both campaigns. take a look at pennsylvania, which was thought to be an absolute firewall for the clinton campaign. what can you tell us? >> pennsylvania really tells you a lot of the national story too. let's go inside and you see donald trump winning the state again, first time in 28 years a republican has done this. how did he do it? couple things we thought would be key. one, the black vote. it was there in a big way for obama. would it be there in the same
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look at philadelphia here. this is where the clintons, the obamas had that big rally on election eve. what do you see? the margin that hillary clinton got out of here was a little north of 450,000 votes. by comparison, in 2012, barack obama won philadelphia by 490,000, so they lost some ground there. they were ready for that, they thought, because what they thought would insulate them in philadelphia were those white college-educated voters in the suburbs right outside of philadelphia. this was supposed to be what really drove the margin up f hillary clinton, but check this out. hillary clinton winning bucks county by 2,000 votes over donald trump. that is unchanged from four years ago. that's no progress for the democrats there. you go right next door in montgomery county, that is only a little bit of progress. they made some gains, the democrats did, in the philadelphia suburbs but they didn't make anywhere near the kind of gains with white college-educated voters they thought they would and that allowed donald trump with those two things happening, two things then, you look in the rural
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margins higher than republicans are used to. he basically doubled the republican margins in counties like these and then think of scranton, scranton, pennsylvania, lackawanna county. it's blue on this map but four years ago barack obama won this county by nrly 30 pnts is. last night it was a nail-biter. look at all the ground that donald trump made up, white blue collar part of pennsylvania. it's a story there and a story night. >> there's somebody very familiar who's from scranton, pennsylvania. >> joe biden is thinking if only. >> a lot of democrats are thinking that, if only about joe biden, bernie sanders. there's a lot of sanders supporters who are saying, hey, you know, we were talking to these voters. she wasn't. and so there's a lot o second guessing here. they're sond guessing was tim kaines right running mate. should she have picked somebody
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there's a lot of second guessing going on. >> nicolle, when you look at what steve was point out in pennsylvania and how it affected the rest of the country in counties across the country, what specifically was it about the trump message that resonated? >> well, a couple things. one, he closed very strong. the news, the comey letter that came out the friday before and that nine-day stretch represented his most dciplined period as a candidate so he settled on the closing message of thego talking about joe biden, joe biden speaks to the forgotten man and woman. kellyanne conway, i don't know that we modeled incorrectly, but i think we underestimated that to the forgotten man and woman her ethical lapses were equal in their minds to his sort of outlandish statement with racial and sexist undertones. to the voter they cancelled each other out and we got that wrong. i think a lot of people thought he was disqualified for the things that he said on the "access hollywood" tape, the
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divisive comments about mexicans. but in the voters' mind, her ethical lapses were greater tha that. >> that's one of the most fascinating things about the exit polls last night. it's not as though when we see this trump sweep people decided, you know, he's a great guy. 60% in our exit poll still had an unfavorable opinion of trump. so it seems that it's really about the melsage that trump sent schls t as much as the messenge change election envinment. we've had 60%, 65% of the countr saying we're headed in the wrong direction. by the way, we've had eight years of a democratic president. sometimes we almost naturally are looking to change. this was always an environment that wanted to be for change. i think trump held himself back for a long time, but it may be that the comey letter sort of reoriented folks to say, oh, that's right, she's status quo ande's not.
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little while. >> as the prospect of a trump presidency became clear, global financial markets reacted and plummeted this morning. theow is set topen down hundreds of points. let's get to cnbc's jim cramer who's at the stock exchange for us this morning. hi, jim, good morning. what do you expect? >> well, i've got to tell you last night obviously around midnight there was pure panic. we looked like we were down 5%. that has changed rather dramatically. the markets have rallied and look to be down that's not down enough, given the fact that we tacked on 2% since comey kind of vindicated hillary clinton. so i suspect we get back those two. i don't think that anything really dangerous is going to happen to the stock market because he is a businessman and he is pro growth and those are things that the stock market really does like. >> all right. jim, thank you very much. we appreciate it. let's get a quick check of the weather from mr. roker. >> that's one thing that always
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hey, and we are going to continue to see all this warm. that jetstream way up to the north and so look at this swath of above normal temperatures. san diego, 90 degrees. that's 23 degrees above average. chicago is going to be at 57. birmingham 71. for tomorrow, the heat continues from las vegas, minneapolis, cleveland, all the way down to atlanta. the one exception is going to be the northeast and the great lakes. we're going to see big changes coming as we head into the weekend. temperatures anywhere from 5 to 10 degrees
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to those who have chosen not to support me in the past, of which there were a few people, i'm reaching out to you for y we can work together and unify our great country. >> we're back at 7:30 wednesday morning, the day after election day. that was just part of president-elect donald trump's victory speech overnight after his stunning victory in the presidential race that surprised the whole world. >> people are waking up. the reaction is incredible here in this country. it's also coming in from around the world this morning. british prime minister theresa
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the iraqi government said its relationship with the u.s. has a solid base and shouldn't change with donald trump's election. >> and someone who was mentioned a lot during the campaign, the russian president, vladimir putin, also weighing in. he sent a telegram of congratulations to donald trump and in a statement putin said he hopes to work together for removing russian-american relations from their crisis state. >> it goes without saying that trump's unexpected surge of support was a shocking conclusion to what seemed like an endless nbc's hallie jackson is here with our nbc news election center and she's got more on that. hallie, good morning. >> good morning. donald trump has stunned a lot of people today, but not all of them, not his supporters who backed him from the very beginning. trump's campaign always said that their army of backers would mobilize at the polls. turns out they did. and now their impact is reshaping politics as we know it. >> i say it is time for us to
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people. >> an ending fit for the most unpredictable presidential race in modern history. donald trump declaring victory after a tight battle against hillary clinton. >> it's surprising to say the least. >> i'm just so excited that america is speaking. not the political pundits, not the elite, it's the people. >> it is probably o of the most amazing things that i have watched and been able to be a part of. >> listen, we predicted that he will be the 45th presi >> that's right. >> reporter: the american people saying "you're hired" to the real estate mogul turned reality tv host. the ultimate unconventional candidate who heads to the white house based on a simple pledge. >> we're going to make america great again. >> reporter: his path to victory shaking up american politics, despite unapologetically stirring up controversy with comments that might have been the phoned any other candidate. >> they're bringing drugs,
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rapists. a total and complete shutdown of muslims entering the united states. i love the poorly educated. >> reporter: trump unshackled and unfazed, connecting with the voters who flocked to his rallies. >> it's time to fight for america. i'm not a politician, i can say proudly. my only special interest is you. it's you. >> reporter: focusing on lost jobs, he shared common enemies with his supporters, from the government to the media. >> some of the media is 75%, is absolute dishonest, absolute scum. >> reporter: and while the late-night comics struck a somber note. >> it feels like we're trying to avoid the apocalypse and half of the country is voting for the asteroid. >> reporter: the people have spoken. and in trump they trust to make good on his promise to, in his words, drain the swamp and maybe shake up washingn in ways we've never seen.
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campaign is over, our wor on this movement is now really just beginning. >> here's the challenge for trump now after a campaign slog in which both candidates tried to painting the other as unfit to take office. our exit polls show some two-thirds of the country do not believe donald trump is ht or trustworthy. he now has the challenge of trying to bring folks together, trying to bridge that gap, matt and savannah, and that is something y talk about already. >> hallie, thank you very much. late night for you. >> you just mentioned some news coming out of the white house a short time ago that donald trump and president obama will meet tomorrow. we don't know the time. but can you imagine being a fly on the wall at that meeting, especially considering some of the things that president obama has said about donald trump in the recent past. >> said it to you basically, all but saying this day will never come. take a look. >> do you feel you're responsible for a certain hunger
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donald trump is putting out. >> yeah, the message that donald trump is putting out has had adherence a lot of times during the course of our history. talk to me if he wins, then we'll have a conversation about how responsible i feel about it. >> when you stand and deliver that state of the union address in no part of your mind or brain can you imagine donald trump standing up one day and delivering a state of the union dr saturday night skit. look, anything is possible and i think, you know, we shouldn't be complacent. i think everybody has got to work hard. >> i think it's safe to say this is a day president obama did not think would come. >> by the way, he's in good company. i think there are about 16 republican primary candidates who said something very, very similar that donald trump would never be the republican nominee.
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perhaps donald trump in the beginning saw this coming. >> that's true. we're going to speak to the chairman of the republican national committee in just a second, but first let's get a check of the weather from al. >> we've got some wet weather making its way toward the northeast and also through the gulf coast. you can see along a frontal system stretching from brownsville, panama city, jacksonville, all the way into the northeast we're looking at wet weather making its way, nothing too horrible. as the morning wears on, low pressure develops along this system. brief heavy rains as this moves the way down into norfolk. you can see today look for record highs stretching from the plains on into the southwest. we've got wet weather here in the northeast and still some
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sglmp you can track that weather any time you need to by going to the weather channel 24/7. we're joined now by the right-hand side chairman, reince priebus. good morning to you. >> hey, good morning. >> i want a sense of what it was like last night. just g behind the scenes, what was going on? >> well, obviously when we started out in the exit polling, i think a little concerned about what we were seeing. but like all elections, you get that exit polling and it's like -- to me it's like pure poison. everyone starts chasing it down, you don't know how scientific it is. you know what your voter scores say, you know what your modeling says, you know what your vote count is, you feel good about that, and then those come into play. we just kept our head down and
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about that, keep your head straight, we're going to do our job. let's not get down and move forward. and we did and state after state after state, donald trump and mike pence delivered. we delivered on the plan. that team did a great job and i was just honored to be a part of it. >> can you share at all what mr. trump's reaction was? were you there in the room when that moment happened and it dawned on him, hey, this is real. this is happening. i'm about to be eed >> he -- and i've said this many times to people, the donald trump behind the scenes one on one just like this is the guy we always wanted america to see. it wasn't necessarily the guy the media portrayed, but it was the guy in private that we knew was the guy that could be a great president. >> maybe it wasn't the guy that he portrayed either. do you think you're going to see a different side of donald trump? >> what i was going to say is he was steady the whole night
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fiving and acting -- he knew -- he understood what it was to be president of the united states and even preparing for that speech last night, he knew he wanted to deliver a calm, measured response and he did it. >> let me ask you the bigger picture question, that people have described this as a reinvention of the republican party. others have described it as a hostile takeover of the republican party. what is it? >> y, thinin some ways it was a realignment of the midwest. there's a lot of people that feel that they were left behind. there were a lot of people that felt like politicians that have said things and never delivered. i think he captured the frustration of the american people. but i think he also -- donald trump understands that he made a commitment and he's going to deliver on that commitment. and i just have to tell you,
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he understands where we're at an i think he wants to really dever and he wants to be a great president. >> couple of things. your name has been menoned as a potential chief of staff in the whitehouse, having some role in the white house. is that a discussion that's happened, number one? and number two, do you feel like the trump t is ready? that the transition work has really begun in earnest and that they'll be ready to take the reins? about that, none. o conversation >> your own -- none. actually no - ewpoint, i mean we're not par of the transition team, but tweebe the rnc, the campaign, nothing. but those are the things that i think we justave to slow down on. this has been like three or four hours. i think you and i are going on the same amount of sgleep yes, we are. >> mine was my accident by falling asleep on a chair and then getting ready for this interview. but i just think that what you're seeing from donald trump and that team is just to be
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mature voice to the world and that's what you saw last night in his speech. >> do you want a role in a trump administration? >> honestly -- i know people say it can't be possible. i haven't thought about it. right now i'm chairman of the party, i'm excited about that job. we delivered on what we promised, which is to support our nominee like we've never do before. but donald trum himse made this happen and the american people made this happen and we are just a small >> he had high praise for you last night, chairman reince priebus. thank you for getting up early and being with us this mog. appreciate it. >> appreciate it. up next, good-bye new york, hello washington. an inside look at president-elect trump's plans for his family when he moves into the white house. but first, these messages. (vo) what if the sweet stevia leaf was discovered before the sugar cane? after people were enjoying truvian their coffee
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across america this morning. >> there will be new residents at 1600 pennsylvania avenue soon. donald trump will be the 45th president. his family set to replace the obamas come january. cynthia mcfadden is a look at the trump first family. good morning. >> good morning. well, of course as donald trump starts, his family has been the centerpiece of his campaign, from his wife, melania, and his daughter, ivanka, reaching out to women voters to his son-in-law, jared now the question what will his family's roles be in the new trump white house. >> i want to thank my family very much. >> celebrating his big win, president-elt trump was once again flanked by his close-knit family, all critical players in his campaign. his wife, melania trump, the first foreign-born first lady since john quincy adams' wife,
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she retreated from the spotlight after being criticized for inadvertently lifting parts of her rnc speech from michelle obama. in the final days of trump's campaign, melania made a rare appearance to promote one of her agendas as first lady, protecting children against cyberbullying. >> we have to find a better way to talk to each other. >> it too garnered criticism, given her husband's insult-laden campaign. as f be first mother to their 10-year-old son. he's the same age as malia obama when her family moved into the white house. as for trump's other children, he's hinted as a possible cabinet position for ivanka, one of his closest advisers. >> he will fight for equal pay for equal work and i will fight for this too right alongside of him. >> i can tell everybody would say put ivanka in, put ivanka in. >> absolutely.
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>> reporter: another possible member of his administration, ivanka's husband, real estate developer jared kushner, a chief advisor on trump's campaign, reportedly responsible for his social media strategy. trump has said if elected, he'd sepate himself from his real estate company by turning over control to his sons, 38-year-old donald jr. and 32-year-old eric. >> i have ivanka and eric and don sitting there. run the company, kids, have a >> the real estate mogul's new business being commander in chief. now of course if ivanka is not recruited for her father's administration, she will help run the trump organization with her brothers. now having the kidsun the company would not constitute a blind trust, but that is perfectly legal. the president is not obliged like some members of the cabinet, the treasury secretary by way of example, to separate himself from his company. >> just to reiterate your point, if the kids run the company,
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it's 8:00 on today. coming up, shocker. donald trump pulls off the biggest upset in modern political history, beating hillary clinton handily. the president-e early morning rally in front of friends, family and supporters, calling for the nation to come together after a brutal campaign. >> working together we will begin the urgent task of rebuilding our nation and renewing the american dream. >> his opponent, hillary clinton, calling him overnight to concede, but failing to address the nation. so what's next for the billionaire businessman turned 45th president of the united states?
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recover from the brutal loss, as republicans sweep to victory in the house and the senate, and now the white house. we've got reaction from across the nation and around the world. today, wednesday, november 9th, 2016. and good morning again, everyone. this election went well into the wee hours of the morning, so if you crashed, if you went to sleep around midnight and you're just waking up, yes, that's the graphic you need to donald trump elected 45th president of the united states. >> and the republicans hold on to the senate, the republicans hold on to the house, so there is a new wave in washington. we heard from mr. trump last night. we're going to hear from hillary clinton a little bit later this morning. and the white house has announced this morning that the president will also speak out today. he's also going to meet with mr. trump at the white house tomorrow. we're going to bring you all these speeches live as the morning rolls on here. >> let's focus in on the results. nbc news has trump with 278
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once the dust finally settles in the battleground states of arizona, minnesota, michigan and new hampshire. >> it is a difference story, though, in the popular vote. take a look at this, hillary clinton has the lead. the lead has been expanding throughout the morning. her margin now nearly 150,000. >> as savannah just mentioned, president-elect trump, well, he'll enter the white house with republicans in control of congress. the gop managing to hold on to the senate. >> we've got our political team all lined up t and start with peter alexander at trump tower this morning. hi, peter, good morning to you. >> reporter: hey, matt and savannah, good morning to you. i just spoke to a top official close to donald trump who tells me as they watched the results come in last night, they were simply stunned. that aides thought the race would be close, but never thought that donald trump would come out on top. trump now proving himself to be the great disrupter of american politics, single handedly
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it was the speech trump supporters had hoped for, but few americans expected to hear. >> i just received a call from secretary clinton. >> reporter: at 2:50 wednesday morning donald trump delivering a victory speech after completing a shocking upset of hillary clinton to win the white house. in a got you are from the historically nasty tone of this campaign, a humbled trump praised clinton and preached a message of unity for the and very hard over a long period of time and we owe her a major debt of gratitude for her service to our country. >> reporter: reaching out to all americans. >> for those who have chosen not to support me, i'm reaching out to you for your guidance and your help so we can work together. >> reporter: and doubling down on his pledge to make america great again.
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plan. we will double our growth and have the strongest economy anywhere in the world. >> reporter: trump surprised everyone by sweeping battlegrounds, florida, pennsylvania, michigan, ohio, wisconsin and north carolina. white working class voters in rural areas of the so-called big blue wall carrying trump to victory. the election a transformative event and a slam dunk win for republicans across the board. >> let's make it official, the republicans hold the senate. >> reporter: for hillary clinton and her supporters, still hard to fathom in what her campaign didn't acknowledge last night on stage. >> it's been a long night and it's been a long campaign. but i can say we can wait a little longer, can't we? >> reporter: shortly after the announcement, clinton conceding on the phone. >> she congratulated us. it's about us, on our victory. and i congratulated her and her
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>> reporter: for hillary supporters, disbelief. >> oh, my gosh. you know, i kept looking up at the glass ceiling and it's still just solid. >> reporter: for trump backers, validation. >> it's huge. >> reporter: in an election that seemed to break down along class and cultural divisions, trump's win is seen as a statement by the american people against the status quo and a vote to take the country in a new direction. >> no dream is too big, no challenge is too great. nothingwa is beyond our reach. america will no longer settle for anything less than the best. >> reporter: and donald trump returning to twitter this morning, changing the bio that now reads president-elect of the united states, describing last night as a beautiful and important evening. as for that conversation, president obama did call the president-elect, president-elect trump, last night to congratulate him, inviting him to come to the white house
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him on the planning that's already in place for the smooth transition of power. matt and savannah. >> peter alexander for us again from trump tower, thank you. >> we are joined now by tom brokaw, mike murphy and presidential historian michael beschloss. michael, let me start with you. this is the time of the morning we need perspective, all right? what do you compare this to? >> thanks a lot, matt. no one is going to argue that trump is andrew jackson, but that was a president who did run against elites, better comparison is the mid-1930s. unemployment in this country was still just under 20%. franklin roosevelt had been president and huey long was running against fdr saying every man a king, i'm going to redistribute wealth. long was assassinated, but had he lived could have really given roosevelt a run for his money, 1936. >> tom, a lot of people were thinking about the year 2000 last night. i know you have ptsd from 2000,
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a popular vote but the ultimate victor the winner of the electoral vote. and to see that happen again in such a relatively short amount of time. >> well, the big difference is, however, that hillary clinton has called him and acknowledged what happened and we'll hear from her this morning what she has to say. i was thinking 24 hours ago we were sitting around saying how does the republican party put itself back together again after this devastating loss that will come tonight and what will happen to donald trump, you know, in the future. 24 hours is the democratic party going to put itself back together again. what are they going to deal with in congress. look, he made a very gracious speech last night and yesterday morning, the first thing that he talked about, but there's a whole trail of things behind that that he had to say and the kind of language he used and the way he treated people. how he mends that and binds up those wounds is going to be a high priority for him if he wants to move forward.
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those republicans that said no thanks, no to donald trump, how is your week going? >> well, you're shocked and stunned like everybody, but in a larger sense, we've got to bring the country together and we all want our president to succeed. so the one thing about one party government now is it's a team and you have two very strong experienced people in mitch mcconnell and paul ryan. i think republicans have to come together and encourage donald trump to do what he did last night whis occasion. >> we know donald trump has a long memory, he says it himself. is he going to reach out to those people who shunned him over the course of this election? >> that is the huge question, but he now has an awesome responsibility and people tend to rise to it. i think he very well may after last night and we've got to meet him there. i'm going to take radio gop and bury the transmitter for a while. the resistance will shut down and let's hope for the best and
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i'm learning to say it. i hope he does that and i think our leaders ought to fall in and see what happens. >> i think a really important thing is that we've gotten ourselves deeply involved in what i call tribal polics. we're playing one tribe against the other. we've got to get the african-american, no, we've got to get the chicano vote or the mexican american vote or hispanic vote, whatever you choose to call it. we've got to get the white working class vote. what we've got to do is find a way that they can all agree on a common goal and a common way to elections now are about separating them and trying to leave a lot of bodies on the field and hope that yours survive and get you to where you need to get to and that's the single biggest issue for this country beyond everything else. >> michael, talking about the shifting of the tectonic plates, the redefinition potentially of what it means to be a republican party. yes, we're going to redefine the democratic party, but what does the republican party mean? have we seen -- is there a precedent for that in history?
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president trump is going to be donald trump's party and people are going to try to be like him in all sorts of ways. the interesting thing, though, is that this is a president-elect who has worn as a badge of honor, i've never had any military experience, i've never had any experience in political office. it's going to be fascinating to see how he's going to be able to do that without that kind of background. >> he has had the lowest expectations of any candidate i've ever seen and exceeded them. he now has low expectations. it is a great opportunity if he'll evolve into thejob. >> tom, mike and michael, thank you so much. just ahead, what will a trump administration look like? who would he bring in to fill his cabinet? we'll talk more about that. and the world was watching, now it's reacting. the strong opinions pouring in from around the globe. but first on this wednesday
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we're back. 8:15, democracy plaza right there. when donald trump is sworn in as president early next year, he will be a true outsider, the first with no government or military experience. >> but throughout the campaign he made big promises about what he hopes to accomplish when he's in the white house. nbc's hallie jackson joins us again with more on that. hallie, good morning. >> good morning to you both. now that we know who will be in the oval office come january, the question becomes what will donald trump do once he gets so we dove into what he's promised for his first 100 days, who might be his closest advisers, and what other republicans who never backed trump could do now. >> ours was not a campaign but rather an incredible and great movement made up of millions of hard-working men and women. >> reporter: donald trump declaring victory in his
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president. >> reporter: the nontraditional candidate now getting his chance to make good on some of those campaign promises, starting on day one. >> that begins with immediately repealing and replacing the disaster known as obamacare. >> on day one, we will begin working on an impenetrable, physical, tall, powerful, beautiful, sth when we win, we will suspend the syrian refugee program. a trump administration will stop the horrible, horrible, horrible transpacific partnership. we will renegotiate nafta. and we are going to stand up to china's currency manipulation. >> we'll pass massive tax reform to create millions of new jobs
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government corruption and we're going to drain the swamp in washington, d.c. >> reporter: along with the promises, a threat to his now former rival. during the second presidential debate, trump saying he'd seek to investigate hillary clinton over her e-mail controversy. >> if i win, i am going to instruct my attorney general to get a special prosecutor to look into your situation. >> reporter: how will president trump work with his party's leadership. >>no taken some dark, sometimes some very dark turns. >> reporter: house speaker paul ryan reluctant to support trump from the start. overnight calling to congratulate the winner. while nothing has been officially announced yet, trump campaign advisers have hinted at who he might appoint to his cabinet. possibly rudy giuliani for attorney general, newt gingrich for secretary of state, michael flynn for defense secretary or national security advisor. the election night shocker
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big changes ahead. >> obamacare is done. dodd-frank is done. it's hard to imagine what this means. it is no sense in sugar coating it to people. >> so democrats with questions. republicans will have some questions too about their leadership. for example, not just house speaker paul ryan, but what happens now to people like ohio governor john kasich, who opposed donald trump's candidacy and people like jeb bush, who trump has hit on the campaign trail and w a couple of minutes ago is now tweeting congratulations to trump, saying he and his wife will pray for him. >> all right, hallie, thank you very much. let's bring in steve schmidt and mark halperin. i think hallie did a good job laying out the promises donald trump made during the campaign. he went into the rust belt and said he's going to bring the jobs back and return them to their glory days, can he do it? >> it's going to be interesting
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paul ryan's policy proposals, the house republicans have some pretty big specifics on lots of issues. he didn't do that in the campaign. i suspect he may do it now. working with mike pence, who is going to be the capitol hil liaison in chief, they may to the house republicans and senate republicans, show us what you got and i think a lot of things will be signed into law. >> he made a lot of promises, build a wall, make mexico pay for it, he talked about has a republican congress. so he doesn't have the ready-made excuse some presidents have where i wanted to but had these obstacles. it's all his to do but of course the devil is in the details. >> some of these things are completely fantastical and they're not going to happen. there's not going to be a wall paid for by mexico with a terrific door. you have two experienced leaders of governor, speaker ryan, leader mcconnell. he's the president-elect of the united states now.
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responsibilities. i think people want him to be successful. what they'll start working on now is what does that first hour look like, signing executive orders. what does the legislative package look like? and so i think that they will be hard at work over the next weeks trying to make him be successful. >> for as little as donald trump understands how washington works, mike pence really does. >> he does and paul ryan does and mitch mcconnell does and this is the moment. this is the moment they have been waiting for, here it is, steve and mark, thank you. >> you know who understands the weather in washington? >> oh, yeah. >> mr. roker. he's got that down pat. >> there you go. as we look right now, we've got wet weather stretching from the gulf coast all the way to the northeast. some showers moving into the pacific northwest. temperaturewise it's going to be hot in the southwest with 90s in southern california. 50s as you get into the southwest and parts of the rockies where we've got some showers. 40s in northern new england. for today the big trouble spots
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mid-atlantic into the northeast. record h and that's your latest weather. guys. >> for more than 18 months now america has been gripped by a grueling, divisive and dramatic race. by the way, the rest of the world was watching. >> so how has the election of donald trump been playing overseas? nbc's keir simmons is on duty in london with more on that. hi, keir, good morning. >> reporter: hey, savannah, good morning. good morning, malt.
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the world have been asking themselves the same question you guys have this morning, what does it mean for my family, what does it mean for my country. let me just show you some international newspapers. the sydney morning herald with a picture of donald trump. revolution it says. there's another one here if i can get to it, "the wall street journal" president trump. many, many newspapers trying to make sense of what this means around the world. but the simple truth is, guys, many people here know. >> donald trump. >> donald trump. >> donald trump. >> reporter: america's political earthquake shaking the world this morning. >> he is the 45th president. >> reporter: few understanding what a president trump bill mean ternationally. sending a jolt through global markets, americans overseas stunned. >> no one thought it could happen and it happened. >> one man in one election year
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not going to end the world. >> donald trump -- >> reporter: international leaders waking up to a new world. the u.s.-backed battle to take mosul from isis in iraq under way. but the strategy questioned by donald trump on the campaign trail. now he will be commander in chief. across the middle east, they watched the results live. the region's strong men like egypt's president rushing to congratulate the president-elect. in israel, surprise and mixed reactions. >> shocked, but to tell you the truth, i was very happy. >> reporter: but in mexico, where he promised to build a wall on the border, the peso plummeting this morning. in europe, one french diplomat tweeting the world is collapsing before our eyes. here in britain, they're calling this america's brexit. after this country's unexpected vote to leave the european union. trump transforming the landscape. and not just here.
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border with the u.s., impacted by the vote both economically and politically. here in russia, relations with america increasingly tense from the kremlin. president putin watching closely. putin sending a personal message to trump this morning and calling for dialogue, but putin accused of supporting hackers targeting the election will be tough to deal with. while in china, questions over the future of world trade. >> coming. >> think it's pretty good because he knew how to do business. >> reporter: iran, north korea, syria. the list of global challenges is long. this morning trump promising great international relations. america, a beacon of democracy for so long, now watched anxiously around the world. and the world is so fragile right now, guys, it seems like if you think of the world as
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threw the pieces in the air, guys. >> thank you very much. coming up, donald trump's rise from his businesses to reality tv, now to the white house. we're back after your local news
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it's 8:30, it's wednesday morning, 9th of november, 2016. about 50 degrees here in midtown manhattan as we check out the view of democracy plaza on this morning after historic election where the voters of the united states have spoken and spoken loudly. >> that rink really worked well last night with all the graphics showing the state-by-state results. i thought you guys did a great job last night. it was really interesting to watch. coming up, a look at donald
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queens to a brash businessman to now the president-elect. and the glass ceiling still intact for now. where hillary clinton fell short in her mission to break the ultimate barrier in politics. >> and tamron will take a look at how the drama of this election and the results are playing out on social media this morning. but first, mr. roker is here with a check of the weather. >> good morning, all. let's see what we've got as we make our way to the weather wall. you'll see record highs stretching from the plains into the southwest. we've got wet weather in texas, some showers and thunderstorms making their way through the northeast and the midatlantic states. tomorrow that system moves offshore, the sunshine returns to the east, but gusty winds ahead of this front around the great lakes. unseasonably mild for the western half of the country with plenty of sunshine. very quiet tomorrow, just a few showers and thunderstorms down through southern texas.
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>> don't forget to get that weather any time you need it, check out the weather channel on cable. guys. much. now to hillary clinton's attempt to break the ultimate glass ceiling in politics. a presidential bid that once again fell short. nbc's andrea mitchell was at clinton headquarters last night and she, of course, covered the clinton campaign in 2008 and now here again. >> good morning, savannah. good morning, matt. well, even as hillary clinton lost much of her ground in recent polls, late yesterday her team was still optimistic that they would prevail. instead she called donald trump
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is put on hold yet again. at clinton headquarters, heartbreak. >> oh, my gosh. you know, i kept looking up at the glass ceiling and it's still just solid. >> reporter: eight years after her concession speech invoking that famous glass ceiling. >> thanks to you, it's got about 18 million cracks in it. >> reporter: tuesday night, clinton a no-show. instead sending her campaign manager, john podesta, out to send devastated supporters home. >> so we're not going to have anything more to say tonight. she'ne she is not done yet. >> reporter: unlike her 2008 bid for the white house, this time clinton embraced the historic nature of her run from the beginning. >> if america is going to lead, we need to learn from the women of the world who have blazed new paths. >> if fighting for women's health care and paid family leave and equal pay is playing the woman card, then deal me in. >> reporter: breaking new ground
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rights. >> reporter: but a quarter century in the spotlight also one of clinton's biggest obstacles as she struggled to fully earn voters' trust, despite a deeply unpopular opponent, never escaping questions about her use of a private e-mail server. >> it would have been better if i had two separate accounts to begin with. >> reporter: the fbi announcement bringing the scandal back into the spotlight becoming clinton's october surprise, knocking her from what 11 days before the election. and despite a massive ground game and numerous polls putting her ahead, analysts say her campaign vastly underestimating the depth of trump's support among white voters in suburban and rural areas. another weakness, winning over millenials, many of whom flocked to bernie sanders in the democratic primary. women supporters who had hoped this would be their year.
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you move forward and you move on. this should be an example of why we need more women running, right? >> reporter: the wait for the country's first female commander in chief, 240 years and still counting. and if the woman who president obama called the most qualified person ever to run for the white house couldn't break through, the question remains, who can? and just ahead, the other side of the coin. a look at donald trump's unlikely path to the presidency.
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welcome back. for donald trump what started as an unexpected campaign ended in a stunning victory, one that's bound to change the future of american politics. >> so how did we and he get here? here's a look at donald trump
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billionaire businessman's rise to the highest office in the nation. >> usa, usa. >> thank you. >> he was the candidate few saw coming, and the candidate many never imagined would make it this far. >> ours was not a campaign but rather an incredible and great movement. >> his rise was improbable, his impact unprecedented. >> sadly, dead. i will bring it back. bigger and better and stronger than ever before and we will make america great again. >> donald j. trump grew up in queens, new york, the second youngest of five children and the son of a successful self-made real estate developer.
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family and i believe that's had a lot to do with perhaps some of the things i've done. >> his father, fred, was an early influence. >> my father was great. good salesman, good builder. i learned so much from him and he was a great guy, a lovely guy. i loved my father. >> trump followed in his footsteps, joining the family business and later taking over the company. from the beginning, his ambitions were big. trump dreamed of breaking into manhattan's tough real estate market. and he did. erecting a himself, trump tower. his name was everywhere. >> trump, it's taking on new meaning. it's written all over new york and atlantic city. >> and the young tycoon quickly found himself at the helm of a burgeoning empire. >> i believe to a certain extent you can make your own luck. >> but as luck would have it, the real estate market took a sharp turn in the early 1990s. >> finally the high-flying life style and hands-on management style of donald trump appear to be history. >> it left donald trump and his
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and in a hole nearly a billion dollars deep. >> how much of a blow was it personally to have so much detail about your finances made public? >> i think that i've become very resilient over the years. >> with that resiliency, trump mounted his comeback, one he called bigger and better than before. >> people eat pizza the wrong way. >> crust first. >> now trump is calling himself the comeback kid. >> s up. i worked harder than i did when i started the company and it just never ended. >> rob, you're fired. >> i've been firing people all my life, so it's not like a big deal. >> but at the height of his popularity, trump also found himself embroiled in controversy. there were the women he loved. >> developer donald trump, who's been in the press plenty these days thanks to his marital troubles with wife ivana, his extra marlts affair with marla
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life. i never had a glass of alcohol but i do go out with beautiful women. >> including his third wife, now future first lady, melania. >> we have a great relationship. i'm my own person and he's his own person and i think that's very important. >> and i'm happy to say -- >> and there were women trump mocked. >> it's very derogatory comments. if you're calling -- >> she said i had bad hair. she said i had bad hair. which is worse. i think i'd rather probably be fat. >> he also took onsi country, then he has pulled one of the great cons in the history of politics. >> in the early years, donald trump's political aspirations were merely rumors. >> you have flirted with the idea of politics. now you're here at your first national convention. does that get you interested in possibly making the plunge? >> now you have to tell me something. who told me i flirted. i didn't know that i flirted. >> but then in 1999 -- >> no jokes, presidential race. are you serious? >> i am serious. i've seen what's happened. i've seen polls come out that
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>> what do you think you can do to really prove to people that you are serious, that you are a contender? >> i think i'm presidential. i think i have a very high aptitude. >> ladies and gentlemen -- >> the third time proved to be the charm. >> i am officially running for president of the united states and we are country great again. >> support for this new unconventional candidate reached a fevered pitch early on. >> usa. >> though his brash, off-the-cuff style garnered just as many critics and sharply divided the republican party. >> you don't have the endorsement of one republican senator and you work with these people. you should be ashamed of yourself. >> ultimately, he would go head to head with hillary clinton. >> donald supported the invasion of iraq.
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>> wrong. >> -- proved over and over again. >> together they became the most polarizing nominees in election history. >> america is tired of waiting. the moment is now. there has never been a movement like this in our country's history. >> today the country has voted in a president whose rise to the highest office, though unexpected, has left a lasting mark on ic >> it really is. >> from start to where we are now. >> and it's kind of just getting started, at least chapter 2. let's get to some other voter measures that were on the ballot last night. getting a lot of attention. so california, massachusetts and nevada have voted now to legalize the recreational use of marijuana. that gives a huge boost, of course, to allow pot nationwide but arizona voted no on its marijuana ballot measure. >> california and washington
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control laws and in nebraska, voters have reinstated the death penalty, reversing the legislature's decision last year to repeal capital punishment. up next, tamron has her eye on what people are saying about the election results on social media. that should be fun to hear. >> it's interesting. >> first, this is "today" on nbc. the butterburger is made of just three cuts of fresh midwest beef. nothing more, nothing less. so we got the sirloin, the chuck and the plate. no fillers; that's it. all prized cuts, all well-marbled for richness and flavor. this is where those three wonderful cuts of beef come together. you can just tell that blend is working in there. and we sear them,
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role in the presidential race and people are now busy sharing their thoughts on the outcome. >> i'm sure there wasn't even a peep. >> not a tweet heard in the world today. >> guys, this has been incredible to watch social media, whether it's twitter, instagram, facebook, all over the place americans wake up to the news that donald trump will be our next president and they have turned to social media to react for comfort, to express joy, it's all across the board. in the last 24 hours alone there
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tweets using the #election2016. that shattered the number we saw four years ago. speaker of the house paul ryan tweeted out i want to congratulate donald trump on his incredible victory. this has been a great night for our party and now we must turn our focus to bringing the country together. clinton supporters also letting their thoughts be heard. ethan wrote this. congrats to everyone who supported trump. i voted for hillary but this is a democracy and i respect the process. he achieved the impossible. with such a closely contested resisting the results. the top search on google throughout the night was this, canada immigration. social media filled with images showing canadian official immigration site crashed and it is still experiencing sporadic issues this morning. regardless of who you voted for, wish the best for trump. pray he does well. if he does well, we do well. it's our country. just to remind you, remember, people were going into so-called safe rooms on facebook where they were not allowing their
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there was a stat around 7% to 10% had ended friendships because of this election on social media. some of the dialogue. so we'll keep an eye on it. but if you log on to twitter, brace yourself. >> so many people are ready for the election to be over. >> but you said it. this is phase two. >> this is phase two. >> all right, tamron, thank you. coming up next, the sights and sounds from a ground-breaking election night. pretty unforgettable.
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welcome back. how newspapers and magazines are portraying the trump victory is interesting but "the new york times" and "the dallas morning news" go with trump triumphs. >> the papers in florida crediting them for pushing him over florida lifts donald trump. the miami herald, it's trump. florida set the stage for victory against clinton. >> "people" magazine kept it simple and it just says "president trump." "the new york daily news" suggesting 1600 pennsylvania avenue will bow a house of horrors. i guess it's just like anything, choose your own news source depending on what your point of view is. >> and "the new york daily news" has not been bashful about
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this was a campaign filled with unexpected twists and turns including the ultimate one at the very end. donald trump, now you're president-elect. here's how it all unfolded last night. >> and here we go, ladies and gentlemen, welcome to decision night in america here at nbc's democracy plaza. >> we're going to know early how late of a night this is going to be. florida is going to tell us everything tonight as far as the path for donald trump. >> no one thought it was g trump can still win this thing at 9:00 tonight. >> i think there's some real jitters setting in in clinton headquarters right now. >> this map is suddenly 50-50. >> the presidency is up for grabs. the american people have a funny way of making sure they get heard and they are being heard tonight. >> we've overlooked rural america a bit too much. >> ohio will go to donald trump. >> we have a major projection. in the state of virginia, the
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are opening up for donald trump as we speak. >> he just blew through every single vote total estimate that democrats had and, frankly, even republicans. >> he is sending a message. my vote for donald trump says something to the establishment. >> and we have new projections at the 11:00 hour. nbc news projects that hillary clinton wins the state of california. two election viewing parties hoping to be celebrations a few blocks apart here in manhattan. no one i of them. >> wisconsin could be going, could be going republican for the first time in 32 years. >> it is 11:30 in the east and as we look at democracy plaza, nbc news projecting that donald trump is the apparent winner in florida. >> i need to interrupt with another one. trump wins iowa. >> they're chanting usa, usa, usa. they really feel like donald trump has a very good chance of winning. >> people just standing shell shocked.
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you can sense it. it's fairly quiet here. this is anything but a victory party. >> those faces at the clinton headquarters say it all. >> she needs a miracle. >> it's been a long campaign, but i can say we can wait a little longer, can't we? so we're not going to have anything more to say tonight. >> clinton has called trump to concede the election. >> it is my high honor to introduce to you the president-elect of the united states of america, donald trump. >> we have to do a great job, and i promise you that i will not let you down. it's my honor. it's an amazing evening, it's been an amazing two-year period, and i love this country. thank you. thank you very much. >> a political earthquake, a come-from-behind story for the
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we're hearing congressman paul ryan... speaker of the house... will hold a news conference at about 10-15 this morning... in his home town of janesville. he'll be talking about the election results... as he looks ahead to a donald trump presidency. ryan took care of business distric... the first congressional district in wisconsin includes racine, kenosha, walworth, waukesha and parts of milwaukee county... ryan winning a ninth term in congress. defeating challenger ryan solen. ryan celebrated the win at a victory party in janesville last night. his reluctant support for donald trump was a key storyline in this election. we will hear from speaker ryan... again... about
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