tv Fox News Sunday With Chris Wallace FOX August 28, 2016 9:00am-10:00am EDT
i'm chris wallace. it's still august, but the presidential race hits a new low as donald trump and hillary clinton trade blistering accusations over race. hillary clinton is a bigot who sees people of color only as votes. >> he is taking hate groups mainstream and helping a radical fringe take over the republican party. >> today donald trump's new campaign manager, kellyanne conway, on clinton tying trump to the alt-right and the effort to keep trump on message. then the libertarian party's presidential nominee, gary johnson. [ applause ] his push to get on the stage for
the presidential debate. a "fox news sunday" exclusive. we'll ask our panel whether trump's position deporting illegal immigrants will gain or cost him support. and our power player of the week. after dominating in rio, what's next for katie ledecky? >> i haven't been in the pool, and i'm starting to itch to get back in. >> all right now on "fox news sunday." and hello again from fox news in washington. it's been an ugly week on the trail as donald trump and hillary clinton accused each other of racism. meanwhile, trump is under fire for a possible shift on immigration, and clinton faces new allegations about her private e-mails and the clinton foundation. we still have 72 days till the election. joining me is trump's new campaign manager, kellyanne conway. let's start with hillary clinton's emails. almost 15,000 of them that the fbi has uncovered from her
private server or from other accounts and handed over to the state department. the scandal over her private server, and the clinton foundation has been going on for a year now, more than a year. what makes you think that there is a game changer in this new batch? >> chris, first, thanks for having me. giving the campaign a platform this morning. hillary clinton achieved something this week that even i am impressed with. she made her trust problem even worse. and the new quinnipiac poll out this week shows 66% of americans say she is dishonest. 29% think she's honest. those numbers have gotten worse since she announced her campaign over a year ago. and she's earned that dishonesty and untrustworthiness because of the ever-growing scandal incident that you laid out that even though she said she had turned over all the emails to the fbi as part of their investigation, it turns out she has not. what the director said last month about her being reckless
and careless about thanks she had said turning out not to be true, the number of devices, the classified information, we see that there's still more happening. and what is really amazing to me as put forth by abc news last night in a report, laid out by the associated press this week, chris, these aren't -- these are not right wing websites. they're showing resolving doors, and americans have the right to be concerned. this is our state department, our public entity. we don't want a straight line between the clinton bank account, the state department, the clinton foundation, and it doesn't -- it shows americans how she may do business if she were elected in the white house. >> all right. you've got your own issues with the trump campaign. this week began with donald trump appearing to back away from his pledge during the primaries that he was going to deport all 11 million illegals who were in this country. by the end of the week, he seemed to be backing away from
backing away. here he is. >> there certainly can be a softening because we're not look could to hurt people. we have some great people in this country. i don't think it's a softening. >> but 11 million people are no longer going to be departed. >> i've had people say it's hardening. there is no path to legalization unless they leave the country and come back. >> kellyanne, please clear this up for me. is donald trump saying that if someone has come into this country illegally, so they broke the law, but they've broken no laws since then, been in the country for ten years, 20 years, without breaking any other laws, is he still going deport them, or is he going to let them stay? >> what he's said is very consistent. number one -- and this is important -- the signature piece of his legislation has, and his campaign, has always been build the wall. that has not changed. build the wall. no amnesty. no citizenship. no more sanctuary city. the face of our campaign are people like michelle and julie and laura and agnes, these angel moms who stood with donald trump
in different forms just this week, chris, talking about their grievous losses, the loss of their children, all of whom were murdered by immigrants who should not have been there. that's also part of donald trump's plan. >> if i may -- >> they're out of here -- >> if i may respectfully, he said in the campaign and said it on the debate stage -- i was one of the moderators -- i'm going to sets up a deportation -- to set up a deportation force, and all 11 million people who have come here illegally have to go. do they, or don't they? >> and what he's said now is that he will look at that. he wants to look -- the softening is more approach than policy, chris. in the clip that you played, you heard the words that followed it. that we need a fair and humane way of addressing the fact that 11 million -- or we don't know the number -- 11 million illegal immigrants live among us. he wants to find a fair and humane way. if you enforce the law and deal with agencies that already exist to enforce the law, then we'll
see what we've got. nobody bothers to enforce the law. washington always layers new laws on top of laws that don't work or unenforced to pretend to the american people that they're being active on an issue. it's important to look at the five, six, seven main tenets -- >> i understand and you made them clear. i want to be clear. what you seem to be saying is you're leaving the door open that president trump would consider the possibility of giving people who have not committed more crimes to living in this country legally. >> what he has said is no legalization and no amnesty. he also said this week, chris, that if you go back to your home country and if you'd like it come back to the united states as an immigrant, you need apply through the many channels that allow people to apply for citizenship or entry into the united states legally. and so that's important. we all learned in kindergarten to stand in line, to wait our turn. he is saying that, as well. now the deportation force, i
would like to address that. he hasn't mentioned that since last november. i think in a few of the debates as you point out, in his convention speech last month, he's consistent on that now in terms of addressing these many different areas of a complex issue. but i would really implore the viewers, chris, and others to look at the contrast between donald trump and hillary clinton on immigration. there are very few issues where they're more different. in fact, hillary clinton is to left of barack obama on immigration. she has been critical of president obama deporting what's close to two million or more in some estimates, immigrants, in this country. she says she will use executive amnesty, protection release. she's for the sanctuary cities that harbor illegal immigrants. in the case of kate steinly, the man who murder her in front of her father over a year ago, he had been deported five times. why is he here? everybody needs to be -- everything needs to be examined and looked upon. give donald trump credit for at
least trying to address a complex issue and not pretending like hillary clinton does that we don't have these problems. >> all right. let's move on to another one. donald trump has also been reaching out to african-americans this week, asking what do you have to lose after decades of democratic neglect. here he is. >> poverty, rejection, horrible education, no housing, no homes, no ownership, crime at levels that nobody's seen. >> kellyanne, that totally misrepresents what blacks face in this country. trump says black youth unemployment is 58%. it's actually 19%. 26% of blacks live in poverty. that's not good. but the vast majority do not. how can trump address the problem when he doesn't seem to understand what it really is? >> so as i understand it, chris, the 58% refers to the number of african-american youth who are
not working. but you're right. we're also taking our message to african-americans who are concerned about other things like lending, like housing, like discrimination. they may be unsafe. they may live in safe neighborhoods with fine schools, but it certainly isn't what their children deserve. they deserve the same high-quality education as other children. and that's his point. and we just -- i sat with him and african-americans on wednesday, i believe, or tuesday. and we had a round table. it was a very productive conversation where he did most of the listening. and they laid out their concerns, they laid out their achievement. yes? >> well, i don't mean to interrupt, but we are running out of time. i want to pick up on exactly that. trump has been running for president, though, kellyanne, since june of 2015. that's 14 months. question -- how many time has he gone in to an american inner city and held an event for a
largely plaq lly black audience? >> i don't know the answer -- >> let me say, would you be surprised if the answer is none? never? >> no, i would not be surprised. i will tell you, chris, and i pledge to you and everybody who's watching that those events are actually being planned. and we're very excited about them. and, look, john mccain and mitt romney are fine -- they're wonderful human beings, great americans. they were fine presidential nominees. john mccain got 4% of the african-american vote, and mitt romney improved that to a whopping 6%. we're fighting for every single vote. we're going to leave it all on the field. that includes going where the voters are and taking the case directly to -- >> you say that -- >> the churches -- >> you say that, the fact is, in 14 month, he's never once been in an inner city and held an event for black americans. and this a tweet that mr. trump sent yesterday, i'm sure you're familiar with it, it's gotten a lot of attention after the tragic shooting of the cousin of basketball star dwyane wade. trump tweeted, "just what i've
been saying -- african-americans will vote trump." do you think it's right to have that kind of a political response to a personal tragedy? >> i was pleased that his next tweet expressed his condolences to the wade family about the death of his cousin. that horrifying example of a woman who had just signed up her children for school, pushing a baby stroller, that is a nonpartisan issue that should sicken us all. and i also would express my condolences the entire family. i'm pleased that he d. chris, i'm new to this post, and he's going to take his case right to people where they live. that includes everyone. we're vying for every vote. every ethnicity, both vendors, every age group -- both genders, every age group. look what hillary clinton did this week. my goodness, she missed another opportunity to deliver a speech it obamacare, energy, or infrastructure, the economy or isis. she went and elevated personal insults into an art form.
>> let me ask you -- let me -- >> he is talking policy. >> let me ask you about that. hillary clinton in the speech you're talking it said that donald trump is taking hate groups mainstream. here she is -- >> racists call themselves racialists. white supremacists now call themselves white nationalists. the paranoid fringe now calls itself alt-right. the hate burns just as bright. >> you say that she's making personal insults. i mean, she does have a point. the new ceo of the campaign, i guess he's your boss, is steve bannon, the head of bright -- breitbart news. he's written, "birth control makes women unattractive and crazy. and would you rather your child had feminism or cancer?" he's called -- breitbart has called -- bannon has called
breitbart the platform for the alt-right question. this is the man that trump chose to run his campaign? >> he chose me to manage his campaign, and i report directly to him. i will say this -- the idea that hillary clinton who's been in public life for 30 years gives a speech this week, chris, about -- it was totally content-free, policy-free address about consultants is just remarkable to me. i understand hillary's campaign is a hot mess. revelation after revelation, the clinton foundation, state department, brand-new reports overnight that's reflected in the polls. there's a new poll this morning showing that we cut her lead nationally from six points to three points in just a matter of two weeks? why? because people are uncomfortable voting for someone that they think is corrupt. i know she's trying to divert attention away from her campaign and her state department e-mail
scandals, clinton foundation, donations in the tens of millions of dollars by talking it consultants. the fact is that the hot mess that has become the hillary candidacy cannot escape the fact that a majority of americans think she is corrupt and rigged, and they're not going to want that in their next president. >> finally, i've got about 30 seconds left. there is is a report that donald trump is going to be holding a debate prep session today at his golf course in new jersey. one, is that true? secondly, how is he preparing for debates? are you having mock sessions? is it true that laura ingraham is going to play hillary clinton? is he cramming thick briefing books? >> i'll be at lunch, and i'm sure we'll have a lively conversation. look, he's an unconventional candidate, and he's not going to prepare the way hillary does which is, you know, locking her in a room and cramming her head with binders and get the hollywood types that she raised billions of dollars with in fund-raisers this week instead of standing with sanctuary city
moms who lost their children. she's in hollywood raising money. she'll have them helping her consult. he will be prepared for these debates. all of his policy prescriptions on defeating radical islamic terrorism on, middle-class tax relief, on law enforcement, on taking his case to the communities -- >> but is he going to hold -- quickly, is he going to hold mock debates? >> he might. remember, he's an unconventional -- the idea of role playing hillary clinton -- laura's a friend of all of ours. we appreciate any insight and advice that she is willing to give in her very busy life. we take advice and counsel from many people who have experience and mean to be helpful. this -- the donald trump, the authentic donald trump who's been taking his case directly to the voters is the one that you will see on the debate stage with hillary clinton. i think they're nervous over in clinton camp because he is the unpredictable x factor. she is a scripted hillary
clinton that basically memorizes lines. you saw the interviews she gave this week on phone by cable stations. she was obviously reading something. i didn't think they went well. the scare strategy for hillary clinton, making sure we don't see that much of her, that changes when she's forced to the debate stage. he will be preparing in a very different way. >> all right. we'll leave it there. kellyanne, thank you very much for coming on. thanks for your time. please come back. >> thank you, chris. up next, the clinton foundation and private emails. they're not going away as campaign issues for hillary clinton. we'll bring in our sunday group to discuss the latest revelations. plus, what would you like to ask the panel? will thousands of new emails create more problems for clinton, or has the political damage already been done? just go to facebook or twitt twitter @foxnewssunday. we may use your question on the air. (announcer vo) who says your desk phone always has to be at your desk? now, with one talk from verizon... hi, pete. m glad you called. (announcer vo) all your phones can work together on one number. you can move calls between phones, so conversations can go where you go.
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hillary clinton ran the state department like a personal hedge fund. it's hard to tell where the clinton foundation ends and where the state department begins. >> neither my husband, my daughter, nor i have ever taken a penny of the salary from the foundation. my work as secretary of state was not influenced by any outside forces. >> hillary clinton on defense, responding to donald trump's new focus on link between the foundation and hillary clinton's tenure as secretary of state. and it's time for our sunday
group. syndicated columnist george will. fox news political analyst juan williams. susan page from "usa today." and gop strategist karl rove. i want to start with the remarkable number that the associated press came up with this week and that kellyanne conway referred to. during the first half of clinton's time as secretary of state she met with 154 people from private interests, not u.s. or foreign officials. 85 of them, more than half, were donors to the clinton foundation and contributed as much as $156 million to the foundation. karl, i don't have to tell you, money does buy access in this town. is there anything new here? >> yes. the volume is jawdropping. you left out another number. nearly 150 phone messages left by the ceo of the clinton foundation for cheryl mill, hillary clinton's chief of staff. how many phone calls was she able to receive beyond that? this is a two-year period.
she left a message every three days. looks like she was constantly in communications. hillary clinton says i know there's a lot of smoke there, and there's no fire. well, there's a lot of fire there. the more we look at this, the more we see favors being traded, people being appointed to boards they shouldn't have been on. people attending meetings they shouldn't have been at. people being invited to state dinners. people being able to circumvent the normal process of the state department in order to get special pleading in front of the secretary. >> juan, when you see all of the emails from people in the clinton foundation to cheryl mills to huma abadabadeen, when see that, does it trouble you, the coziness of the relationship? >> yes, it sets off alarm in my mind as a journalist. before the phone calls and the like, the whole structure seems to invite suspicion, the idea that there's some quid pro quo for access going on.
it's concerning. in all fairness, i think the foundation does good work, malaria, hiv, and the like. there's no getting away from the appearance of impropriety here. i'm astounded that this foundation has existed since, in fact, 1997. during president clinton's tenure. i don't understand how she -- mrs. clinton -- doesn't see that this would invite people including the "boston globe" ed rendell fellow democrats to see this is a problem, you can't do this. she had to sign an agreement with the obama administration which she apparently violated by going about these phone calls, meeting people, even if it's -- i don't think there's any evidence of impropriety. just by the standards you set, lots of people say access is for money in this town. still, if there is no evidence of illegality, the appearance of trouble abounds. >> let me quickly pick up with you on karl. that is the defense of the clinton campaign at this point. there's no smoking gun. there's no official act that was
done. >> there's plenty of smoking guns available. steve hayes has a great piece in this week's "weekly standard." let me give one example. the largest donor from ireland who gave between $10 million and $25 million is dennis o'brian. he has the cell phone concession in haiti. when the earthquake happens, what happens? he ends up getting u.s. aid grant, he participate in a grant for the development of mobile banking put together by u.s. aid and the gate foundation. he starts parting with u.s. aid on initiatives. and all the money the federal government is putting in is spelled out, but never is it spelled out what's being put in by him. then bill clinton personally interseeds and arrange for the construction of a $45 million luxury hotel owned by him, works it out with marriott to build the hotel, goes to a world bank affiliate to get the money, and presides over the dedication
ceremony. he's the largest contributor from ireland. >> there was another revolution this week about clinton and emails. that's the fact that the fbi had apparently uncovered almost 15,000 new ones that we didn't know about either from this supposedly wiped clean server or from other people's e-mail accounts. and because of lawsuits, there's going to be a stead release of emails from now through -- steady release of emails from now through election day. how big a dieseal is that? >> it's important, what a tangled web we weave when we practice to deceive. it's worse and worse, and because it's tangled in the foundation. this illustrates the clinton's graspiness, a word the "washington post" used in an editorial 15 years ago when the clintons object skonded with some of the -- absconded with some of the white house furniture. we've done down this path before. is this a big deal electorally?
i've got my doubts. i don't know how many people remain to be persuaded. voting begins in this country on september it 23rd. it's coming up fast, north, south dakota, i think minnesota. the five of us are peculiar people. we're interested in all the details of this. 30% of americans could name their two senators. a majority of americans can't name the three branches of government. they're not paying that much attention. >> well, i want to pick up on that because that's what we asked you for questions, but and that was the political impact of these new revelations about the emails. you had a lot of answers. one on facebook, "does anything matter when her supporters don't care?" i love this, bill smith sent this on twitter, "if you want me to tweet about this, donate to the bill foundation, 10% administration fee, and pay my wife to make a speech." susan, this has been going on, whether it's the private emails, the clinton foundation, at least
since march of 2015. i guess the question is, if people -- if a voter hasn't been turned off already -- and obviously she has a lead in the polls -- are these new revelations going to turn them off and make them change their mind? >> i think the election is partly baked but not entirely. we have a morning consult poll on this shows only a 3% lead for clinton. it does show that she pushes the envelope. there's no evidence that anything was criminal. it's not even unusual. it is politically unsavory. i actually think it reinforces not only questions about honesty and trustworthiness, but the idea that she is a creature of the status quo in a year when americans are hungry for change. >> does the fact -- we were talking about this -- does the coziness of the relationship, the fact that she met with 85 people, the fact that it seems that doug band, one of the top clinton foundation officials and also a personal aide to bill
clinton, is just back and forth all the time, sending notes to cheryl mills and uma abadeen with various asks. >> cozy and predictable. this was raised at the time she was confirmed as secretary of state. and what is surprising is she didn't do more to address this way in which washington works. you ask any elected official if they take a call from a big donor or willing to meet with a big donor, and they'll say yes, but it is entirely -- entirely have predicted that she would be in this place, in this presidential election if she proceeded the way she did. >> we'll take a break. we'll see you a little later. next, the libertarian party's presidential nominee, governor gary johnson, who's at almost 10% in the polls and says he's going to play a big role in november. what do you think -- does johnson have a shot at swinging the election? let me know on facebook or twitter @foxnewssunday. use the hash tag #fns.
coming up, is donald trump softening his stance on his signature issue? >> when mexico sends its people, they're not sending their best. there certainly could be a softening because we're not looking to hurt people. >> we'll ask our sunday group how a possible change will sit with hard-line conservatives.
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mexico as the national park service celebrates 100 years. he's the former republican governor of new mexico and now the libertarian party's presidential nominee who says he has a path to victory in this election. joining us now, gary johnson. governor, welcome to "fox news sunday." >> chris, thanks. >> your campaign manager says you have a two-part strategy to
win the white house. the first part is that you have to get on that stage for the presidential debate starting september 26th. in the real clear politics average of recent polls, you're at 8%. so -- you need to reach 15% to get on the stage. would you agree that if you don't get into the debates, it's game over? >> winning the election, yes. i would say game over. winning the election. but the presidential debate commission has identified five polls. we're at 10% flat on those five polls. and that's an increase really of probably it 4% consensus over the last six or seven weeks. we're optimistic that we're going to get into the debates. we're spending money right now in many states, in five states right now. i'm at 16%. so i'm just really optimistic. >> okay. so now you get on the debate stage. now this brings us to phase two which is, as i understand it, is to keep both clinton and trump from reaching the majority of
270 electoral votes to be elected president. throw the race into the house of representatives where you say that you could win and in that case, each state gets one vote, that you could win on a second ballot. how does that happen? >> well, the object is to win outright. and it's not impossible that if we go into the presidential debates with the polarization of clinton and trump that we might actually run the table on all this. and i'm talking about me and bill wells, two former republican governors re-elected in heavily democrat states. >> now former governor of massachusetts. >> yeah. i don't think there's any arguing that we did make differences in our state being fiscally conservative, socially inclusive. i'll add to that that we're really skeptical about intervening militarily to achieve regime change that i think has resulted in a less-safe world. so i think that we represent about 60% of americans with that philosophical belief. >> let's get into that. you say the key to your
candidacy is if people sit down and compare you to clinton and trump on the issues, they're going to pick you. let's do a lightning round. quick answers, quick questions on a variety of issues. international trade? >> free trade. supporting ipp. it's a good things. free trade. more jobs. >> the tpp -- >> the tpp. >> the pacific trade group. >> yeah. we're the only ones that support it. >> immigration? >> make it as easy as possible to come into this country and work. to be able to get a work visa, a work visa should entail a background check and social security card. don't build a war across the border. these are hard-working stlads are taking jobs that -- individuals that are taking jobs that u.s. citizens don't want. >> what about the 11 million people -- an arbitrary number -- but the millions who are already in this country illegal? >> complete misunderstanding of why they're here in the first place. the reason they're here in the first place is you cannot get a work visa to come into this country and work. and they're hard work, cream of the crop when it comes to
workers. you or i in that same position where jobs exist in the united states, that u.s. citizens don't want, you or i would be crossing illegally to take those jobs just like they're doing -- >> would you give them amnesty? >> i would set up where they could come in the door, get a work visa as long as they've been law abiding. with regard to citizenship, there needs to be a pathway to citizenship. look, with regard to those that are in the country that are undocumented, they're not going to jump the line. that's part of comprehensive immigration reform that bill weld and i think we can bring democrats and republicans to the table over. look, hillary or clinton -- isn't the polarization in congress going to be greater than ever? does anybody believe that anything is going to get better in congress? our pitch is the third alternative which is a couple of libertarians in the middle, hiring a bipartisan administration. everybody libertarian leaning. but you could make a case that the third scenario might work. >> i want to drill down on a
couple of issues. you want to cut spending by 20% you say -- >> balancing the federal budget, yes. >> and you call for eliminating these departments -- the irs, commerce, education, the fda, dea -- drug enforcement -- and the national security agency. governor -- >> actually, the ones i'm citing -- by the way, we're -- >> all those are on your website. >> not on my website. you might read that on some other website. look, we're not getting elected dictator here or king. we're getting elected president, vice president. >> you don't think any of those agencies do any good? >> in the case of education, in the case of commerce -- and there are some vital functions in these agencies, but do they require an entire agency? i don't think so. education, commerce, housing and urban development, homeland security. why is homeland security an agency unto itself? shouldn't it be part of the fbi? those are the ones that i am advocating out of the chute.
>> then there are taxes. you want to eliminate -- eliminate the federal knox, the corporate tax and replace them with a consumption tax, a national sales tax. experts on both sides of the aisle say that this would be highly regressive. that rich folks are going to make out like bandits, and it's going to end up hitting the poor and the middle class. >> well, of course we're not getting elected dictator or king. >> i know, but -- >> no, no -- >> what you're saying there, governor -- let me make -- you're saying -- when you say we're not going to be elected dictator. you're saying don't take my policies seriously because they're not going to get through. >> take them very seriously. we're always going to support taxes going lower. we're going to always support being in business -- situations getting better. that said, if i could wave a magic wand, i would eliminate income tax, corporate tax. i would replace it with one federal consumption tax. i put up the fair tax as a
template for housing you accomplish one federal consumption tax. you're right about a consumption tax being regressive. the way that the fair tax deals with that is it issues everyone a rebate check of $200 a month that allows everyone to pay the consumption tax up to the point of the poverty level. i maintain if we had zero corporate tax which you and i paid for, i maintain that would create tens of millions of jobs and also issue pink slips to 80% of -- >> but the -- even if you have the free bate, that helps the poor, but the rich make out because there's no tax on their income. no tax on their -- let me finish. no tax on their savings. now you're hitting the middle class. we're going to pay more. >> i'm going to argue that the more money you make, the more money you consume, the more tax you're going to pay, this is a proposal. the fair tax is a proposal that has been before congress for about ten years. every year, 80 congress men and
women sign on to it. so it's been pretty well vetted out there. >> okay. i want to switch to foreign policy. you say you are a non-interventionist. you say that the threat from radical islam is "overblown." you don't want boots on the ground. you say that air strikes from planes or drones have unintended consequences. the question is, what's your plan to stop isis? >> i do believe that if you want to look at isis that they are regionally contained. think of them as sands through an hourglass. we're going to see those sands through the hourglass. there was a poll a couple of weeks ago -- >> wait a minute. what happens to the attack in belgium? what happened with the attack in san bernardino? what about the attacks in france? >> we can call these isis inspired attacks. do they come directly, geographically from isis? >> in the case of france, they seem to, yes. >> well, chris, a poll among active military personnel two weeks ago, who do they favor for president of the united states?
me. so what are they saying? what they're saying is judicious use of the military. if we're attacked, we're going to attack back, but the fact that we involve ourselves in regime change has resulted in the unintended consequence of making things worse, not better. nobody's standing up to this. hillary clinton, barack obama, not intentional. they go in, they support the opposition in libya and syria. the oppositions aligned with isis. we are on the opposition. now those arms are in isis' hands. this is the unintended consequence of our foreign policy. >> so basically we're going to contain isis, we're not going to eradicate it? >> well, if we eradicate it -- and hey, not that we're going to continue to stay engaged in that, but there will be a void. when that gets eliminated -- we didn't even hear about isis until two years ago. this was al qaeda until it became isis. wipe out isis, and it will be something else. look, the biggest threat in the world now is north korea. we need to deal with the civil war in syria.
that's joining hands with russia diplomatically to see that through. biggest threat in the world, north korea. we need to join arms -- join hands with china to deal with that diplomatic. >> one more question for you. we've got less than a minute left. until january, you were the ceo of something called cannabis bativa. i guess i pronounced that correctly. a marijuana marketing company. question -- officer all the things in the world you could be involved with, why sell pot? >> well, in this case, marijuana products which directly compete with legal prescription drugs on the medical front don't kill anybody. not one documented death, and yet these drugs do -- marijuana, cannabis -- does compete, does provide that relief. so it seems to me that there needs to be research and development in this area that can't currently happen because marijuana is listed as a class-1
narcotic. as president of the united states, i would delist marijuana as a class-one narcotic. this is going to be an issue left up to the states just like alcohol. then on the recreational side of this, chris, i have always believed that legalizing marijuana will lead to less overall substance abuse because it's so much safer than everything else that's out this starting with alcohol. >> governor johnson, thank you. >> chris, thank you. >> thanks for coming in. >> you know how crazy this election cycle is. i might be the next president. you know that, right? >> well, and -- i hope you give me your first interview in the white house! there we go. >> good travels on the campaign trail. >> thank you very much. appreciate the opportunity to be here. up next, we'll bring back our sunday group to discuss donald trump's move to broaden his base and his changing rhetoric on deportation. energy is a complex challenge.
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i had very strong people come up to me, great, great people, and they've said, mr. trump, i love you. but to take a person that's been here for 15 or 20 years and throw them and the family out, it's so tough. i have -- i have it all the time. [ shouting ] it's a very, very hard things. >> donald trump opening the door this week for to possibly moving more to the center on immigration policy. we're back with the panel. karl, it's been fascinating to watch trump this week on this
issue. first he said there was a softening. then by the end of the week he said there's a hardening. is his opening the door to possibly softening to the idea of deporting all 11 million people in this country illegally, is that good politics? >> well, it's good general election politics. also, this is not the first time he did it. you know, there's a -- there's a continual confusion about where he is on this issue. i remind you, last night he said i'm going build the wall. then he said i'm going to build the wall, and we'll put a big, beautiful door in it so they can come back. leaving the impression all you had to do of touchback. this is senator kay hutchinson's proposal. if you are here illegally, you've got to touchback. this is not the first time he brought it up. th there is confusion. does he want to deport people or not, does he want a touch pack or not, and does he support some form of legal status for individuals. my suggestion is that he is
better off getting a position, clarifying it, and sticking with. i prefer for the general election that he "soften," that is return to his position of last fall to say people who have been here for a hmong time, kept their nose clean, raised their families, paid their taxes, you know, are employed, they have some path to a legal status. it will be -- it will contrast to a jeb bush and say that sounds like where jeb bush was. but frankly, that's where he sort was last year and again temporarily this week. >> susan, let me pick up on that with you. he's been having this debate in public. and you had the hannity town hall, the interview with anderson cooper. it's been a moving target. is that the right way to handle this, or as karl suggests, he should come up with a position and stick to it? and is this about actually trying to win hispanic votes, or is this about trying to get that white republican moderate suburban woman who is worried that he's a racist?
>> 72 days before the election, he is debating with himself about his stance on the signature issue that launched his campaign. i think that's quite extraordinary. it raises concerns among his core supporters, worried he's moving away there the hard line that was appealing to them initially. i think it's less than persuasive to the voters he's reaching out to. i spent yesterday in the philadelphia suburbs talking to white suburban reporters who are very much in flux in this election. they are concerned about whether donald trump is intolerant. they are unpersuaded by the public debate that's going on? he's getting the worst of both worlds? >> that's right. he's not persuading people in the middle that he need to get back. it seems he's raising concerns among people on the right who think that a hard line on immigration is the most powerful position he's taken that got him to support them in the first place. >> then we had trump reaching out to african-american voters saying -- asking what do you have to lose after decades of
democratic neglect. and then he said this -- >> hillary clinton is a bigot who sees people of color only as votes, not as human beings worthy of a better future. >> we had this remarkable moment in my interview with kellyanne conway where i presented to her the fact that donald trump -- and he's been 14 months into this campaign -- has not held a single event in an american inner city devoted to a largely african-american community, the campaign is talking about now they're going to start going into the inner city. dr. ben carson is going to be -- his esqcort, if you will, into those parts of america. how is that going to play? >> i don't think it has any chance. again, to come back be to something susan said, this is not about the black community. i don't think it's about the latino community. i think it's about trying to consolidate the republican base,
especially college-educated, white republicans. and specifically women who don't want to be associated with a racially charged campaign. i mean, when you look at the numbers, this week i saw numbers, 35% of all americans, all americans think trump is a racist. 56% think that he's biased against minorities and women. if you go into the republicans, it's something like 20% of republican men think trump is a biased person. and a quarter of republican women. that's a problem. so right now, chris, he's getting about 1% in the latest fox poll. 1% support among black voters. he's down 46% among latino voters. there's almost no chance that he's going to make substantial inroads in that vote. >> then there was hillary clinton's attack on trump this week saying that he is taking mainstream -- making mainstream hate movements like the alt-right white nationalist movement. her campaign even ran a video that showed -- here it is on the
screen -- members of the ku klux klan supporting trump. george, do you think that attack has traction? >> i don't think so. why should it? there are about 320 million people in this country. a free lunatics and/or vicious. and the alt-right is probably both largely. but that doesn't mean they're taking over one of our great parties. they're attaching themselves like a barnacle to a ship. and they're not defining the ship. we've seen this movie before. in 1964, the john birch society had about 100,000 members. it was used to tar the goldwater campaign. the birch society was run pby a man named welch who said that eisenhower was an agent of the communist conspiracy. it's not fair to define donald trump by david duke of the ku klux klan any more than it would be fair to define hillary clinton by some of her supporters who i guarantee you believe the united states conived in 9/11. there are nuts on both sides of this sundae.
>> george, when you see paul ryan, speaker of the house, say that donald trump has engaged in textbook racism in what he had to say about judge curiel, unable to have a judge because of his mexican heritage, that's noxious. >> this week in a fundraiser, cher said up and said that donald trump remind her of hitler, stalin, a racist and lunatic. hillary clinton said we're so excited that cher is with us tonight. >> she always was a cher fan. we've got to go. thank you. see you next sunday. next, our power player of the week. america's golden girl on her future in and out of the pool. i'm just a guy who wants to buy that truck.
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>> he's nice. good swimmer. i love answering those questions. i love sharing those moments with them. and hopefully inspire them to dream big. >> what makes it especially sweet is katie can look back on the olympics with a sense of total fulfillment. >> i achieved all my goals in rio. that's the best feeling any swimmer, any athlete i think can have. >> katie set those goals three years ago. she was swimming 3:59 for the 400-meter freestyle. she went 3:56 in rio. she was swimming 8:11 for the 800. she went 8:04 and broke her own world record. >> when we set those goals, those were pretty out there. >> katie had michael phelps teaching her how to arrange her five medals for a cover shoot. >> one by one. >> katie brought her medals with her. each one means years and years of hard work. is the silver the stepchild? >> no! i mean, it's just a as special as the others.
we broke the american record. and we got silver to the australian team that broke the world record. we couldn't have done any better that day. >> we first met katie two years ago when she was 17. after a shocking victory at the london olympics. >> never start -- show what you do in practice. i like that aspect of it. >> now 19 and one of the headliners of rio, she's grown up. for someone as goal-oriented as you, what's it like when you have met all your goals? >> it's a good feeling. and it's before now a week or week and a half since the olympics, and i haven't been in the pool. and i'm starting to itch to get back in. >> are you serious? >> yeah. >> while katie had a great olympics, teammate ryan lochte created an international incident with his false report of being robbed. what's the lesson? >> just take care of things in the pool. i think what we do in the pool
is important, and also how we represent ourselves outside of the water, as well. >> katie is getting ready to start college at stanford. to begin her next chapter as a student athlete. but the call of the olympics is still there. >> hopefully i'll make it to 2020, and i know i'll have some goals for that and looking forward to representing my country again. >> do you think you can go even lower? >> we'll see. i have a little about of a cushion maybe. but i know the world will start catching up, and i'll have to stay at the level i'm at or get faster. >> katie was the youngest swimmer of the u.s. swim team which is why she talks about competing in the 2024 olympic at the ripe old age of 27. that's it for today. have a great week. and we'll see you next "fox news sunday."
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