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good morning. it is tuesday, june 12th, 2012. i'm charlie rose in washington. a deadly wildfire burns out of control in northern colorado. hundreds have been evacuated and thousands more could be forced from their homes. plus, cbs news learns of secret meetings on capitol hill aimed at avoiding the nation's fiscal cliff. i'm erica hill. the battle over what officials call agent orange corn. we'll explain what it is and why it's causing a stir. plus, on this day, president reagan changed history with these words -- >> mr. gorbachev, tear down this wall. >> how that speech is still impacting politics today. and i'm gayle king. when i see you at 8:00, how a lack of sleep could be more
dangerous than you ever imagined. and we'll talk coffee and commerce with starbucks ceo, that would be howard schultz. first, as we do every morning, we begin with a look at today's "eye-opener," your world in 90 seconds. >> it was minutes. i had less than five minutes to get out of that house. >> raging colorado wildfires turn deadly. >> a woman received two evacuation notices, but when firefighters arrived at her cabin, they were turned away by a wall of flames. >> it's spreading at a mile an hour. >> flames already destroyed 100 structures. >> we're just trying to hang in there. we'll just rebuild if we have to. >> this is one of the most serious breaches since anyone can remember. >> a capitol showdown looms over alleged white house intelligence leaks. >> a number of top-secret programs has been disclosed in recen months. >> president obama finds himself in a very embarrassing situation that could escalate into a
full-blown scandal. a graphic start to the sex abuse trial of penn state assistant coach jerry sandusky. >> a 24-year-old man known as victim number four. >> he alleges jerry sandusky raped or sexually assaulted him more than a dozen times. residents start enforcing a fine for cursing in public. >> that woman is recovering after police say a man poured gas on her and lit her on fire. for the first time in their 45-year history, the kings are the kings! >> you had an hispanic name originally. >> that's right. >> your name is originally geraldo rivera. >> dangerous daredevil move caught on video. this driver seen out of the open door using one hand to steers. >> cameron forgot his 8-year-old daughter at the pub. they called the pub, hey, is your daughter there? and she was.
>> the secret service messing around with colombian prostitutes. you know what they never did? left malia in an applebee's. captioning funded by cbs welcome to "cbs this morning." a massive wildfire in northern colorado is burning through half a mile of forest every hour and threatening homes. >> one death is now blamed on the fire, which burned dozens of buildings on monday. barry pederson is in bellevue, colorado. barry, good morning. >> reporter: good morning. the high park fire has now scorched more than 41,000 acres and it is still 0% contained. the winds are calm now, but they could climb dangerously high later this afternoon. experts are calling this a dirty fire. that means the flames skip over areas and then circle back and burn what they missed the first time. longtime resident jim key believes his home was destroyed. >> my dream. >> reporter: your dream? >> that was my dream, this
place. i mean, i just got my saw mill and living off the land. i mean, it's been my dream to live here. i think it went yesterday, so it's real sad. >> reporter: 400 firefighters have been battling the blaze from the air and on the ground. that number will soon swell to 600. and while this steep, mountainous terrain appears green, a dry winter and spring have left the moisture level in the trees down to 60%. at this time of year, it's usually 90%. the result, flames are leaping easily from treetop to treetop. >> so, even though that fuel looks green, normally, it wouldn't burn this time of year, it is burning very well, and that's why we're getting this aggressive and active fire behavior that we are. >> reporter: at least 118 structures have burned. cheryl pratt and her daughter, char, are hoping their home was not one of them. >> if our house is there, then we have space for our neighbors to pull in a camper to be close to their house or whatever they need. >> so far, the focus has been on
life safety and structure protection. a different team, a recovery team will go in and start determining what the damage was, where these homes exactly are, who they're owned by and work directly with those residents. >> reporter: there has been one fatality, 62-year-old linda stedman, described as a wife, mother and grandmother. a sheriff's deputy and a firefighter got as close as her gate to rescue her when they were literally forced back by the flames. charlie? >> barry petersen, thank you. president obama's white house has been on the defensive for nearly a week now over classified information that was reported by the press. epublicans claim it was leaked by democrats for political reasons. nora o'donnell says they want an independent investigation not led by the justice department. nora, good morning. >> good morning, charlie. well, you've heard the president say, he said it's offensive to suggest that anyone in his white house leaked information, but senator mccain says that is exactly what this white house did, and that's why today,
senator mccain is introducing a senate resolution calling for a special counsel. the leaks involve highly classified information, one about the president's approval of drone attacks to target a secret kill list of terrorists. another included details about a joint american/israeli cyber attack on iran's nuclear program. >> this is one of the most serious breaches since anyone can remember. >> reporter: senator john mccain accuses the obama administration of intentionally leaking the information to make the president look tough in an election year. >> whenever there's a leak, look at who benefits, and then you can usually find out who did the leaking. >> reporter: the department of justice quietly announced late friday that it would appoint two u.s. attorneys, not an independent special counsel, to conduct a criminal investigation, but that is not enough for critics like senator mccain, who argue that these investigators still work for attorney general eric holder. the president says he has zero tolerance for these kinds of leaks.
then why not support a special prosecutor? >> there is no need for, you know, special counsel. these things have consistently been investigated when that's appropriate. >> reporter: the last special counsel was patrick fitzgerald, who investigated the bush administration for leaking the name of cia operative valerie plame. fitzgerald is a special counsel and had all the powers of an attorney general and could subpoena whomever he wanted. >> nora joins me here at the "face the nation" desk. tell me why a special counsel. why is a special counsel necessary? and do both sides want it? >> well, senator mccain and more of the republicans want this special counsel because that's the only way, they say, it's going to be an independent, thorough investigation. these u.s. attorneys appointed by attorney general eric holder, if they want a subpoena, they actually have to report and get that through the attorney general. so, there's a suggestion that it wouldn't be an independent investigation. >> does the administration agree that there have been serious leaks and these things are serious and they want to see something done about them? >> the president said he has
zero tolerance for these leaks, and that's why he said he's sure it wasn't anyone in his white house. the justice department also points out that they have launched six cases since 2009 to investigate these leaks. and interestingly, charlie, that is more than all previous administrations combined. there have been about three other prosecutions of leaks before that. >> but does the administration agree with senator mccain when he says this is the most serious breach that he can remember? >> i don't know that they agree with that. i think there have been other serious breaches, but i think what this white house is saying and the president has said zero tolerance, it's got to stop, and that they've been tougher on prosecuting these leaks than anybody else. but i think you also have to remember, and many people would be surprised, there's actually no law against leaking classified information. those people who have been prosecuted in the past, it's actually been under the espionage, an espionage statute. that's what daniel elsberg with the pentagon papers was prosecuted under. so it's very tough to get one of these convictions.
>> nora o'donnell, thank you. good to see you in washington. now back to erica in new york. >> thank you, and good morning, by the way. we've been reporting on this so-called fiscal cliff coming at the end of the year when major tax cuts are expected to expire and $1.2 trillion in tax cuts could take effect. this morning, serious discussions are going on to deal with the fiscal cliff and rebecca jarvis talked with those involved in the discussions. >> good morning to you. cbs news has learned that this is a broad group of about 30 senators from both sides of the aisle. and according to sources present in the meetings, it is not just those with so-called safe seats who are nearing retirement. there are even some freshmen senators who are participating. now, the talks began with dinners and casual social gatherings hosted by senators lamar alexander and mark warner, a senator who's been attending tells me that there's no clear leader, calling it a coalition of the willing. insiders also tell me that the senators have broken in to working groups to address
primary issues in the fiscal cliff, including defense spending, corporate taxes and individual taxes. and while the groups overall are agreeing on principle and coming to some broad conclusions, they are still split down party lines on specifics. participants of the meeting say that their biggest achievement so far is just getting to the same table, bringing lawmakers together from both the left and the right, a rarity these days. and as far as what they're agreeing on, people who were in those meetings say everyone wants to cut corporate taxes, but how big those cuts will be and how to pay for them is still up in the air. another bone of contention, tax loopholes. both sides agree that they want to close them, but there are the sacred cows in the mix, like deductions for mortgages and charitable donations, and those are not easy to deal with. one area where there actually does seem to be and is broad agreement, they likely will not be extending the temporary payroll tax cut. charlie? >> rebecca jarvis, thank you. with us now from boston, ed
gillespie, a senior adviser to mitt romney's presidential campaign. good morning, ed. >> good morning, charlie. >> so, where does the romney campaign say it will do different, and how do their plans for dealing with the fiscal cliff differ from what the president might do? >> well, first of all, charlie, there's been an absence of leadership, as you can see. we've got senators talking about this, but the president has been vacant. he's been campaigning, obviously having a lot of fund-raisers. but in terms of what governor romney would be different, clearly, you know, a completely different direction in terms of policy. governor romney would repeal obama care as you know it and replace it with market-oriented reforms and take that drag off of the economy that the health care bill has proven to be. he would reduce tax rates and spur economic growth. he would be tougher in terms of china's currency manipulation. so in terms of doing things different, pretty much down the line, especially when it comes
to our economic policy, things would be very different under a president romney -- [ everyone talking at once ] -- day one. >> ed, is governor romney prepared to try to seek out a grand bargain that jeb bush, for example, says that he supports, looking for some capacity to deal with this fiscal cliff by looking at both the spending side and the revenue side? >> well, charlie, as you said -- i was listening to your news account about these secret talks. you know, these are secret. up until now, i am not familiar with what these discussions are and i don't think it would be appropriate for me to put words in governor romney's mouth about, you know, a news report i just heard about -- >> you were speaking about his thinking. >> charlie, you asked me to coment on something i just can't comment on, i'm sorry. i just heard about this in my
earpiece. certainly an interesting story and i don't doubt your reporting on it and congratulate you on uncovering this secret, but to put me on at 7:00 in the morning and ask me what governor romney thinks about it, i don't think it would be appropriate for me as the adviser of the campaign to put words in his mouth. i apologize. >> let me distinguish between a secret meeting, whatever that might be, and the simple basic question of this campaign. for example, jeb bush was with me last week and he said that when all the republicans during the presidential primary said that they would not accept a 10-1 spending cut versus tax revenue, that he would have and that he would have been prepared and would like to see the republican party look to a grand bargain. is jeb bush, or is jeb bush and governor romney on the same page? >> well, governor romney has a plan, a vigorous plan to control federal spending and to, in fact, reform our social security and medicare programs so that
they would be saved for future generations to start with an across-the-board discretionary cut in spending to foster economic growth, which is the biggest cause of our deficit right now, as you know, is we have too much government spending and we have too little revenue coming in because we have 8.2% unemployment. so governor romney's running on his plan, which is a plan to spur economic growth and to rein in federal spending and to make sure that we save our entitlement programs for future generations, and in that process, bring down the rate of increase in federal spending. >> ed gillespie, one last question. where is this contest between governor romney and president obama right now in terms of you with your own political instincts look at? >> i think it's close. i think this is going to be a close contest throughout. charlie, as you know, the country's pretty evenly divided. and as you look at the nationwide surveys and the
surveys in critical swing states that will make a difference in terms of the electoral college outcome, governor romney and president obama remain close. but when you look at president obama's numbers, he's consistently somewhere between, you know, 44% and 47%, which historically is a danger zone for an incumbent president running for re-election. it's unlikely that there are many voters who haven't already kind of formed a conclusion about the president and his performance. and i think that's why he's so consistently below 50%. and often, at the end of an election with an incumbent president, the undecideds tend to break pretty strongly in favor of the challenger candidate. but we'll see. no doubt about it, it's a close contest and i suspect it will be through the fall. >> ed gillespie, thank you. back to erica in new york. >> thank you. >> charlie, thanks. prosecutors jumped right in as jerry sandusky's sex abuse trial began on monday. one of the accusers telling the
court the former coach abused him for years. armen is at the courthouse. >> reporter: if day two is anything like the first, the jury will hear from a young man talking about a childhood loss. victimized, he'll say, by a famous football coach who betrayed his trust. as jerry sandusky entered court on monday, he was on his way, it turned out, to hear a graphic tale of alleged abuse at his own hands. the witness, a slight, now 28-year-old man previously identified by prosecutors as victim number four. speaking in a flat, steely voice, the accuser testified how a friendship at 13 grew into a five-year ordeal. gifts and special access to penn state practices and games weighed against the touching and fondling, countless soap battles in the coach's shower, leading to repeated oral sex and other sexual acts.
"did you ever tell anyone else?" asked lead prosecutor joseph mcgettigan. "no," said the accuser ", i was too scared. things were nice. i didn't want to lose that." monday's arguments showed clear signs of how the prosecution and defense plans to proceed. mcgettigan flashing the smiling faces of the eight alleged victims expected to testify up on a video screen, calling out their first names. defense attorney amendola likened the fight to a david and goliath battle and said his defendant was naive and innocent. "keep in mind, what you hear initially is going to be very graphic. it's going to be very easy to say i've heard enough. it's going to be awkward, but that doesn't make it true." one of the most dramatic moments came late yesterday afternoon when joe amendola asked the victim, didn't jerry sandusky treat you like a son? and the alleged victim replied, "yes, in public he did. aside from that, he treated me
like his girlfriend." charlie. >> armen, thank you very much. the u.n. says the violence in syria is getting worse this morning and syrian troops are using children as human shields. the united states says bashar al assad's government may be organizing another massacre. elizabeth palmer traveled north of the hard-hit city of homs. this morning she is in the syrian capital damascus. >> reporter: the fierce battle that's been raging in homs is just on the southern edge of a whole area of central syria along the main highway where the syrian military and the armed opposition have been fighting each other from positions that are often just a few hundred yards apart. a police barrier marks the start of the war zone. just north of homs, fighting has closed syria's main highway, but the u.n.'s allowed through and we go with them. on either side, mile after mile of devastation. and dug in all along the way, syrian tanks and artillery, some ready for battle, others wrecked and burned by armed opposition
attacks. every few hundred yards along this road, there are syrian military installations, and yet, as soon as we stop, within seconds, out came the syrian free army to talk to us. most civilians have now fled from these towns, but just up the road, a woman appears outside a row of wrecked shops and waves us in. she says a syrian army helicopter missile did this. and a young opposition fighter agrees. when a helicopter suddenly appears overhead, the u.n. says syrian forces have attacked the opposition from the air in recent days and it's time to go. we pass through syrian army checkpoints. they're dug in with their heavy armor in force, but not forceful enough to take down the rebel flag hanging from an overpass just up the road. while syrians and international diplomats are still reluctant to call this a civil war, that's certainly what it looks like along the highway and in some of the villages north of homs.
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you know, here's a guy i you know ron paul and then his -- yeah, he's still running somewhere. and his son now has endorsed mitt romney. i said, ouch, when i saw that. i know how he feels. my son watches jay. >> welcome back to "cbs this morning." my kids watch "charlie rose," charlie rose, down there in d.c. >> all right, erica, good morning again. there is a controversy in the food industry over what critics call agent orange corn, the genetically modified vegetable is protected from a herbicide that kills so-called super weed. but it is linked to the notorious agent orange used in vietnam. many farmers are thrilled with the corn.
many critics think it will lead to more use of toxic chemicals. sharyl attkisson looks at both sides of this war against weeds. >> they're just a pain in the neck to deal with. >> reporter: 72-year-old urban handy has been farming in delaware his whole life, and that's meant a lifelong battle to kill enemy weeds. without killing his corn and soy crops. >> i guess -- >> reporter: that's why handy has a consultant who advises him on his ever-changing chemical arsenal to keep the weeds at bay. >> they've just been terrible this year. they've been the worst i've ever seen this year. >> reporter: like a lot of farmers, handy's seen an incredible uptick in super weeds that just won't die, resistant to the chemical herbicides that used to work on them, like roundup. >> we spend about $25 an acre. >> reporter: it's an expensive proposition when you look after 1,500 acres. in 1998, delaware was the first place these super weeds popped up. since then, an epidemic as weeds spread across the country, confounding farmers and costing
them millions as they search for new weapons. >> just to look at these, we've made them a little bit sick, but we didn't kill them. >> reporter: just how tough are the weeds to kill? so tough that a leading weapon in the fight against them is an herbicide made by dow called 24d, one of the components in agent orange, used by the u.s. military in vietnam and notorious for links to cancer and birth defects. dow agrisciences says the herbicide is perfectly safe, citing numerous government approvals. but what has ecologists and food safety advocates worried is that the idea that any amount that could be used to crops due to a new innovation by dow, corn resistant to 24d. right now, it can only be used on crops very early or late in the growing season, or it kills the crops along with the weeds, but dow has developed a genetically modified corn that's resistant to 24d. that way, the herbicide could be
used all season long. those concerned about food safety are asking, are we going too far to stem the weeds? >> we have no idea what the accumulative effects are on people. we have no idea what the synergistic effects are. what happens when you're exposed to more than one, two, or three, let alone thousands of dhem chemcals? >> reporter: gary hirshberg has just label it, building a business without herbicides at all. he says he's not against genetically modified food, but wants it labeled as such. >> i think if the average consumer understood the chemical escalation that's going on up there, they would absolutely demand something different. >> reporter: because of 24d's links to agent orange, some opponents have dubbed the genetically modified corn agent orange corn. the group vietnam veterans of america is stirring the pot. last month, it wrote president obama, urging him to look at how increased use of 24d might affect people. dow says it's safe for people and no herbicide has been more extensively studied.
so far, federal regulators agree. in april, the epa rejected an environmentalist petition to pull 24d from the market, and federal approval of enlist corn is pending. most experts agree, the primary human damage from agent orange came from a different igredient. dow says the comparison and the nickname are simply scare tactics that the new 24d is fundamentally different than the one used in vietnam. meantime, handy says he just wants solutions. farming has long been equal parts elbow grease and chemistry. >> it's a lot easier for the chemicals and the chemistry these people have produced for us. >> reporter: for "cbs this morning," sharyl attkisson, delaware. >> the battle over chemicals and genetically modified foods is also being fought in supermarkets and restaurants. nicholas is an executive chef in washington and is one of the younger generation of chefs who pay close attention to the source of their ingredients. welcome. >> thank you, charlie.
good morning. >> good morning. are you worried about this? >> i'm concerned. we've done a lot of research on it, but it's one of those things where we talked to the farmers, and if you're standing in their shoes and you have to weed 100,000 acres, you know, it's a big task to do by yourself, so i see the need associated to it, so there's a lot of stuff in between to read through to find out. >> okay, you also want to protect the people that come to your restaurant. >> very much so. >> how do you do that? >> that's why we source locally and we talk to the guys and we're able to know exactly what's in the food that we're bringing to our restaurant, and that's what we strive for, so. >> is this a growing concern, though, these kinds of chemicals that might very well affect the quality of food? >> i think it's always a growing concern. this actual chemical, though, has been around since previetnam that they've been using. it kills grasses, and now corn's a grass, so they're using it for corn because they've genetically modified it. so now they're going to be introducing so much more chemicals into the system.
and my biggest concern with this is how's this going to affect our water tables? is it going to go through the soil, things like that? what's the after effects of it some. >> how do you keep informed? >> a lot of reading. >> but i mean, chefs communicate to each other as well. >> we all talk to each other. >> it's a growing kind of concern, and so therefore, you want to make sure you've got most up-to-date and accurate information. >> we talk to each other, we talk to the farmers. i mean, a lot of the farmers i work with, you know, we eat together. they come, they're in the town, they're in the restaurant, talking with the wait staff, with the cooks. so they're able to really hear and see and feel kind of what's going into the food that's coming into our doors. >> are the people who come to the restaurant more concerned now? do you find that the heightened awareness of the quality of food? >> i think there is, and it's a good thing and i hope to see it kind of extend where people really want to know what's going in to what they're eating. it's a big concern because it's nutrition and you want to be concerned with what you're putting in your body. if you go spend six hours on the treadmill, it doesn't matter if you eat poorly after you're done. >> nicholas stefanelli, thank
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was about to become history. that was the day president ronald reagan told the soviet's leaders, "tear down this wall." bil plante was there for that memorable speech and he's with us now. bill, good morning. >> good morning, charlie. you know, 25 years ago today, ronald reagan was at a low point in his second term, but there were a couple of bright spots. the soviet union was beginning to loosen up, the president was making some progress in arms control negotiations in his talks with gorbachev, so he went to berlin, where the wall was, of course, the symbol of the cold war division of europe. those of us who covered him knew that he wanted to make a statement. the speech was framed by the monumental brandenberg gate, which sat on the dividing line between the east and the west. here, president reagan delivered the line his advisers feared was too controversial but are now forever engraved in history. >> mr. gorbachev, open this gate. [ cheers and applause ]
mr. gorbachev, tear down this wall. >> reporter: it's no coincidence the president is challenging the soviet union on human rights at the same time the two sides are making progress on arms control. the berlin wall didn't fall for another two years, but reagan's speech was a rallying cry. it also came at a time when the president's popularity at home had dropped as a result of the iran contra scandal. but later in 1987, the u.s. and the soviets did sign a treaty eliminating a whole class of intermediate-range nuclear weapons. historian douglas brinkley says there is a lesson in rag yoon's boldness. >> don't listen to polls and talk from the heart. "tear down the wall," if it was polled, would not have been seen as the smart speech, but reagan was a longtime anti-soviet hawk. he felt that's what he needed to say in berlin and he did it and let the consequences be damned. >> reporter: if president obama has a second term, brinkley says
president reagan's example to inspire him to be audacious. >> there are moments when you have to get your dander up, and people really want to feel that you're being bold and brazen. reagan did that with "tear down the wall." president obama needs to do that. >> reporter: president obama has already hinted that he could have a freer hand with foreign policy in a second term. in march, he was overheard in this private conversation with the russian president. >> after the election, i'll have more flexibility. >> reporter: for mitt romney, he says what he can take from reagan is simpler. >> all he has to do is embrace his legacy. we're dealing with ronald reagan, a president that's just beloved. he rises in stature in polls all the time. >> what's interesting about this, i think, reagan had to insert the lines back in after some of his aides and some of the people at the state department object -- >> the whole foreign policy establishment objected to those lines. they said this will upset relations with russia. we can't do this. and reagan said, no, it stays
in. he liked it. he had a sense of what he wanted. >> what did lou cannon say? >> he told lou he could remember hearing the anger in his own voice because the eastern guards cleared people away on the other side that were trying to listen, so when he delivered those lines, he gave it an extra punch. >> there's much talk about the republican party today and whether -- jeb bush said this yesterday -- that bush 41 or ronald reagan probably couldn't get the nomination of their party today. >> you know what? ronald reagan would figure out a way to do it. he was a guy who could take a position and hold it until he needed to modify it and not bat an eye. he once told reporters in california, that sound you hear is the concrete cracking around my feet. i'm not in it. >> i'm not hard and fast. >> that's right. >> bill plante, good to see you here. >> pleasure. >> thank you again for joining us. you can go to cbsnews.com for more on reagan's "tear down this wall" speech, including the full video of
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♪ it is 8:00. welcome back to "cbs this morning." and before we get started, i want to join the chorus of people who are sending good wishes, good thoughts, love and strength to robin roberts this morning. robin, as you know, announced yesterday that she has another health challenge that she's going to have to have a bone marrow transplant. and i know that you all know she's already survived breast cancer. you know, they always say you're never given more than you can handle, but i'm thinking you survived breast cancer, now you have this. i'm sure she's thinking enough already. >> enough already. but you mentioned her strength and she really is such a strong, courageous and graceful woman. >> her announcement yesterday, erica, i have to say, was filled with such grace. i called her last night and i said, you know, when you're faced with a hurdle, you become
a hurdler. and robin said she's going to beat it. i believe her. i want to wish her nothing but love and strength, and we are cheering you on, robin roberts. >> yes, we all are. so, we're at the table, erica and i, but charlie rose is not far away, spending the morning in washington, d.c. hello to you, charlie rose. >> good morning, gayle and erica. we obviously share those thoughts about robin and with the challenges she faces. i'll be speaking this morning with howard schultz, the ceo of starbucks, about his project to create jobs in the united states. we'll also talk about the economy here and in europe and see if he has any regrets about selling a basketball team that's about to play in the nba finals. erica? >> charlie, thanks. a question that we tend to talk about a lot, given what time we all get up, is just how much sleep did you get last night? we actually like to avoid that question. a new study of middle-aged and older adults find anything less than six hours could actually put you at a higher risk for stroke. >> just what i needed to hear today. one woman who's been warning about sleep deprivation for
years and who can testify to the danger firsthand is arianna huffington. she's editor in chief of the huffington media group, and she joins us at the table. arianna huffington, how much sleep did you get last night, that's the question? >> i did actually get seven hours sleep, and i don't do that every night. and you know, gayle, since i constantly hound you about lo losing sleep, as i do with charlie, i fainted from exhaustion four years ago, hit my head on my desk, broke my cheek bone, got four stitches on my right eye, and -- >> and you fainted really because you were so tired. >> i was sleep-deprived. i had spent the previous week taking my daughter through the college tour. >> oh, yeah, i know that. >> and our agreement was no blackberrys, mom, just with me. so at night, you know, we would check into the hotel, she would go to sleep, i would start working. but it started me on this journey of discovering the dangers of sleep deprivation, in terms of basically anxiety, depression, heart disease, diabetes.
and the study that just came out is really part of people becoming aware of the dangers. we have a dedicated sleep section on "the huffington post." we've had over 7.5 million people visit it over the last year. and people are beginning to get educated about what it does both to our health and to our capacity to make good decisions. >> it seems like every other week, really, there's something about how you need more sleep. and so, we do know that, but the reality is getting even six hours of sleep a night, for most people, it may feel impossible at times. can you get better sleep, even if it's less than that? >> i think first of all, it's important to prioritize it, to really make an appointment with your sleep the way you make an appointment to wake up. and follow certain rules that help. like not charging your devices next to your bed. you know how often -- >> i feel guilty. >> you'll stop doing it, but you'll wake up in the middle of
the night and be tempted to look at your data. then there is scientific evidence that even if you go bak to sleep, it's not as deeply recharging. and at the convention, at both conventions, we're going to put on what we call an oasis, where we've partnered with the harvard school of medicine sleep division, and there are going to be sleep consultants. >> yes. >> so when you're there at the convention, you can come, unplug, recharge, and learn some tips on how to make your sleep more recharging, however long it is. >> i'm not one of them, arianna, but some people use lack of sleep as a badge of honor. you know, i only got four hours of sleep, i only got five hours. i'm not proud of it. i just have a very difficult time sleeping, but you do hear people, men in particular, who think i only got four or five hours and look at me. >> absolutely, definitely. and that kind of equation between sleep deprivation, i don't know why. there was a guy i had dinner with who had bragged he had only gotten four hours sleep the night before and i started to say, you know what, if you had gotten five, the dinner would have been more interesting.
and just a fun fact, that 25% of people claim they have less sex because they are sleep-deprived and too drowsy to bother. >> yeah, i could totally understand how that could be true. i could totally get that. at "huffington post," you've even set up a nap room. >> two nap rooms. >> but you really do not look at people, you don't think less of them if they say, you know what, arianna, i'm going to go take a nap now. middle of the day. i have a lot of work to do, but i'm going to take a nap. >> when we first started the nap rooms a year and a half ago, people were hesitant to use them, now you need to open a third one, they're so overbooked. and people love them. the impact of health to just get 20 minutes in the middle of the afternoon. charlie -- >> charlie swears by that. >> he's a big napper. >> charlie swears by that and other men, jack kennedy, swore by getting a nap. >> charlie, you can relate to what she's saying, can you not? >> yes, indeed, i can.
the other thing is i've always told her that the most important thing, if i had to make a choice between more preparation of anything versus getting a nap before i do it so that you'll be at that optimum performance, i'd take the nap. >> wow, see, i always do the opposite. yeah, this is a different way of thinking for me because i always do the opposite. and then you're so tired, you think what did i gain from that? >> exactly. >> what did i gain? i get it. >> you can't think as clearly, as sharply. so you know how we say friends don't let friends drive when drunk? >> yes. yes. >> we also need to be saying friends don't let friends drive when sleep-deprived, because you know, a friend of my daughter's from college two weeks ago was killed in a fatal car accident. her boyfriend fell asleep while driving. the car capsized. she died. you know, there are an enormous amount of fatal crashes because of drowsiness. >> because people are tired. thank you, arianna. you had to get up early to be
here. we thank you. >> thank you. >> glad you got your seven hours in. >> yes. >> the new "huffington post" ipad app, by the way, launches tomorrow. if you buy a coffee mug at starbucks, you'll be supporting jobs in ohio. how? starbucks ceo howard schultz will tell you. a little bit more about that and that project this morning. also, what about that ban on large, sugary drinks here in new york? what does he think about that? we'll find that out as well. >> announcer: "cbs health watch" sponsored by bayer aspirin. take charge of your heart health at iamproheart.com. my brother doesn't look like a heart attack patient. i'm on a bayer aspirin regimen. [ male announcer ] be sure to talk to your doctor before you begin an aspirin regimen. i'm a fighter and now i don't have that fear. so ditch the brown bag for something better. like our bacon ranch quesadillas or big mouth burger bites, served with soup or salad, and fries. starting at just 6 bucks, at chili's.
♪ the chairman and ceo of starbucks says he has an obligation to try and fix what's broken in america. howard schultz has been doing just that since we spoke with him a couple months ago. today he's announcing a new line of coffee and other products to benefit his create jobs for usa fund. he joins us now from seattle. good morning. >> good morning, charlie. how are you? >> i'm good. it's a bit early in seattle. tell us why you're doing this. >> well, i think as we've discussed in the past, we're sitting in a situation in america where 14 million people are unemployed. i think we all know that there's something wrong in terms of the self-esteem of people who have lost jobs, and we're asking
ourselves at starbucks, how can we use our scale for good, given the fact that it's obvious to me and many others that in the election cycle we're now in that washington is not going to do much to help those people who can't help themselves. we've found a small town in east liverpool who at one point was the bedrock of america in terms of manufacturing. we found out that there are manufacturing jobs in america are down to 9 million. in 1979, we had 30 million manufacturing jobs. we asked ourselves, could we make this product in america as opposed to overseas? it's more money, but in doing so, we put a new plant back to work, we've hired more people and now we're manufacturing this product. east liverpool was a town that was kind of left for dead. unfortunately, it's emblematic of many towns. it's a town that has 25% of its people under the poverty line, double-digit unemployment. we just said we can't leave this town and not do something. let's start a manufacturing
facility. let's do something to put people back to work. >> and how many jobs have you created? >> about 25 from 2. and this is on top of the fact that we have created thousands of jobs over the last year in terms of the money we've raised to give money to small businesses that do not have access to credit, and then we just announced a new manufacturing facility that we're building in augusta, georgia, that will employ about 200 people. >> howard, is your message to corporate america, because economists tell us that corporate america's sitting on a lot of cash, they're not investing it, they're not going out and hiring new people to build their own inventory. is your message to say spend that money now so you can create jobs and build new factories and hire more people? >> well, my message is the following. we as business people and as business leaders cannot and should not wait for washington to solve the problem. it's obvious to me and many
others that's not going to happen. so, we have a dog in this fight. we must do something. and i think corporate america must recognize that we must not only look at the bottom line, but balance profitability with our core responsibility to invest back in the united states of america and bring people back to work. >> two other questions before we leave you this morning. number one is the seattle sonics are now in oklahoma city. they are now in the nba finals, which begins this evening. kevin durant and lebron james. are you sorry you let them slip away and you sold them? >> i wish the nba well and i wish oklahoma city well. i'm not here to talk about basketball, charlie. i'm here to talk about the biggest problem facing america, and that is 14 million people are unemployed. many hispanics and african-americans and businesses and business leaders need to do more. >> how many companies have you got to follow your lead? >> you know, i think i can't --
i don't know exactly. we've got over 150 people, ceos in america, to sign the pledge to suspend contributions to incumbents, but you know, i'm not here to solicit other companies to do something. i'm just here to demonstrate that starbucks has had a record year, and one of the reasons we've had a record year is our consumer and our customers recognize the values of the company are not just about the bottom line, that we're doing the right thing to help america as well as help our customers. >> but shouldn't you be soliciting other corporations and encouraging them? because you just said early in this conversation that washington is not doing it and it's up to the private sector to do it. so how much can starbucks do and how much can other companies do, and why aren't you out there proselytizing them and urging them and following it up to make sure that it happens? >> well, i think you know, you giving me the opportunity this morning to speak about this is one of the things i'm trying to do. i think many companies are doing the right thing. you were right before by saying
that there's about $2 trillion sitting overseas that should be repatriated and come back to the u.s. but here's what i'm saying. it's very simple. we all have a sense that the country is going in the wrong direction. we can't wait for washington and the level of ideology that is going on, to saddle the country with a direction that we know is wrong. as a result of that, private citizens must recognize, this is an opportunity to embrace citizenship over partisanship and recognize that we, too, can make a difference. and what i'm saying to not only business companies and business leaders, that it's obvious to me that starbucks is a kind of company, and there's many, many others that can make a difference. and east liverpool's emblematic of that. there are too many towns in america that have been left for dead. we can't continue to manufacture products overseas. the unintended consequences of that are very significant. >> all right. finally, there's this, because the mayor's going to come up on
this program very soon. this notion that he is pushing to ban sugar-filled sodas that are bigger than 16 ounces. are you in favor of that? because we're looking at an obesity problem and a sugar issue in america? >> i think the mayor -- i applaud his approach and obviously the objective. i'm not sure that he's going to achieve the results that he desires as a result of this initiative. but clearly, there is a significant problem with obesity, and i think he's trying to do something. i'm not sure it's the right approach, but we're obviously going to follow suit and respond to him because he's trying to do something that's quite important. >> howard schultz, it's good that you are doing the thing on job creation, because it clearly, if you look at the politics of america, it is the number one political and economic issue for most of us, the level of unemployment that we have in the country. so, thank you. and tomorrow, the new york city mayor, michael bloomberg, will be with us in
fine. >> yeah. congratulations, mr. president, it's a gaffe. and as that gaffe is set ablaze and pushed into a furor, another gaffe! >> he says we need more firemen, more policemen, more teachers. did he not get the message in wisconsin? >> mitt romney answered it with a gaffe of his own. >> we need more fireman, more policemen, more teachers. >> looking at the gaffe derby here, mitt romney is way ahead. >> it's time for us to cut back on government and help the american people! >> i'm thinking, you just don't want to play the gaffe derby game. >> maybe not. >> regardless of what your political affiliation is. >> it'd be better to stay on the sidelines for that one. you may be right. 32 years ago, an australian woman claimed a dingo took her baby. well, now a coroner confirmed
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the mother who killed her baby. terrell, good morning. >> erica, good morning to you. from the beginning, 9-week-old azaria chamberlain's disappearance in 1980, her parents claimed a wild dog was responsible and few people believed them. today's ruling finally puts to rest a monumental case for justice that captured attention for three decades. outside a courtroom in australia, lindy creighton held up the child's birth certificate which lists the cause of death as taken by a dingo. >> it is obvious not just from these findings, but from other injuri injuries, dingos can and do cause harm to humans. >> reporter: the ruling ended a 32-year-old battle for the parents of 2-week-old azaria chamberlain, who vanished during a camping trip near a rock formation.
from the beginning, the chamberlains claimed a dingo carried they air baby from a te into the wilderness, never to be seen again. >> i ran out of the tent. i said to michael "a dingo's got my baby." >> but nobody believed a dingo was strong enough to carry out the attack. the high-profile court case that followed divided the nation. lindy chamberlain was convicted of murdering her daughter and was sentenced to life in prison with hard labor. three years later, her conviction was overturned when the chance finding of azaria's jacket near a dingo den backed up her version of events. >> we believed and are delighted to come to the end of this saga. no longer will australia be able to say that dingos are not dangerous and will attack if provoked. >> a dingo took the baby! >> reporter: the case garnered worldwide attention after the release of the 1988 film "a cry in the dark" starring meryl streep. >> the dingo took my baby! >> what? >> reporter: the story evolved
into a pop culture phenomenon with variations of chamberlain's cry for help used as a laugh line on "the simpsons" and "seinfeld." >> maybe the dingo ate your baby. >> reporter: in 1992, lindy chamberlain received more than $1 million in compensation from the australian government for wrongful imprisonment, and now a day after what would have been her 32nd birthday, azaria's death certificate gives the family final closure. nearly five years after lindy chamberlain was found guilty of murdering her daughter, a tourist fell and died while hiking in the same area azaria disappeared. when the rescuers found that hiker's body, they also found a small piece of clothing near a dingo den that turned out to be azaria's jacket, a crucial piece of evidence that led to lindy's conviction being overturned. >> i remember that story. i'm glad that it has a happy ending. i was watching terrell brown this morning. terrell, before you leave, the
story we're about to do is about cursing in a town. and after terrell brown did the story, he said if i lived in that town, i would be broke. i want to be on record as saying i don't believe you. >> want me to try it right now on tv? >> no, don't try it. >> just wanted to make sure. >> we want to make sure you keep your job so you can pay the fine if you go there. i have never heard terrell curse. >> i haven't either. he's a gentleman. thank you. you know the saying when you were a kid, sticks and stones may break my bones, but words will never hurt me. that's not true in middleboro, massachusetts. >> they decided to fine people who use profanity in public. so michelle miller went to see what has them so darn upset. >> reporter: middleboro, massachusetts, population 20,000, an idyllic new england town with antique lampposts, potted perennials, and some say pretty potent potty mouths. who's the main culprit? >> adults and young people, but mostly, it's the young kids. >> reporter: longtime resident
mimi duphily can't take it anymore. >> it's just really vocal, it's really loud, and it's lots of f-bombs and it's lots of name-calling. they don't find it offensive. >> reporter: she remembers less profane times, when life seemed to resemble "the brady bunch." >> that groovy history teacher gave me an "a" for the movie. >> reporter: instead of "the jersey shore." >> shut the [ bleep ] up! >> don't tell me to shut the [ bleep ] up! >> seriously! >> my generation, they would have washed our mouths out with soap. >> reporter: duphily, a local business owner and former town elder, wants middleborough police to issue tickets for using four-letter words. it's actually been illegal to curse in middleborough since 1968, but it was hard to enforce. duphily and her supporters want to change that. >> it's a quality of life issue. and if i can do this in five minutes like writing out a parking ticket, it will be enforced from time to time. >> reporter: why does this generation feel it's okay to talk like that?
>> i think it's just part of the conversation now. it's getting to that point where it's just another part of your sentence. >> timothy trocchio is senior class president at middleborough high school. >> a lot of people don't know what to say and now a lot of people are afraid of what they're going to say. >> reporter: is it keeping their mouth shut? >> definitely. >> reporter: keeping the curse words at bay? >> definitely, definitely. >> reporter: and that's exactly duphily's point. >> goodness gracious. after a little while, if you get caught enough times, it's not going to be very funny to have to come up with those fines. >> reporter: and many of her neighbors agree with her. >> the vote is 183 in favor, 50 in opposition. the motion carries. >> reporter: monday night, the town swore to clean up its dirty language. for "cbs this morning," michelle miller, middleborough, massachusetts. >> i would plead guilty. >> i know, i would, too. >> i would plead guilty. that's why i think they're on to something. i think they're on to something. >> i agree. and i have to say, as a parent of young kids, and i admit i'm guilty around the office, but
sometimes i'm with my kids, who are 5 and 2 and i think, can you just watch your mouth a little bit? we don't need to hear those words. there are all kinds of people on the streets. so it makes me think twice about my past transgressions. >> and you don't swear around your children. >> no, i don't want them repeating it, because they'll know where it came from. >> mom. coming up, parents is the heart of civilization, so it's no surprise that this master storyteller puts the city life at the heart of his new spy novel. he'll be here at the table after
parents on the brink of world war ii was a city full of intrigue and paris is the setting for alan furst's latest book "mission to paris." >> this "the new york times" best-selling author is called the master of the historical spy novel. wow. he's now written a dozen of them, lucky number 12. alan furst joins us at the table this morning. hello. >> hello. >> it's nice to be considered
one of the best in the business of what you do, so i'm picturing you as a little boy. were you in to cloak-and-dagger? did you like this kind of genre? >> no, not at all. >> no? >> no. i was a reasonably normal little kid. what i did do as a kid was i wrote. >> what did you write? >> after my mother died, a bunch of her things came to me, and one of the things i found was a short story, a detective novel, a three-page detective novel i had written when i was like 11. and she typed it for me. >> wow. >> so i could see it in print. so, i got that back. so, i've been doing this forever. >> a very long time. >> yeah. >> what a great thing to have. i was reading this, you love to tell stories. >> yes. >> you write fantastic, engaging stories. >> yes. >> but you don't necessarily like to talk to people who will tell you their stories. >> i won't do that. >> why? >> the reason is, people who actually had family there or who are, could be still 80 and have
their own experiences. and if you listen to the story and then don't use it and they look in the book and it's not there -- >> they're offended. >> they go, oh, gee, my escape from paris in 1939 wasn't good enough. >> yes. >> you never want to do that. so i don't allow that to happen. i steer clear of that. >> you steer clear. it's a fascinating scene that you set. 1938 in paris. and there are really important decisions that have to be made. how much of this -- there's a lot of political warfare. how much of this is based on facts that you learned in your research and how much of it is sort of imagined? >> the story -- the plots in my book are always fact, because that's the only interesting thing. history is a much better maker of plots than any novelist that ever lived, believe me. and so, that part of it's true. the characters are characters created from the imagination. some of the events, when the events are historical, i'm very careful about it, they're accurate.
but then there's the normal day-to-day life that happens around them that you make up. >> here's your main guy, frederick stall. he's an actor. >> yes. >> he's in paris. paris, by the way, is my favorite city. i was just there recently. i think the architecture of the city is so beautiful. so, here he goes. they're trying to boost his image, and he does an interview with a newspaper, and things are taken out of context. then before you know it, he's used as a political pawn and it's off to the races for him. >> correct. correct. he is what you would call an agent of influence. at the time, people in the movies were hugely important. everybody all over the world went to the movies. i don't mean once a week. they went all the time. >> all the time. >> it wasn't expensive. at the paramount studios outside paris, they made 16 versions of a movie at the same time. >> wow. >> with 16 casts speaking 16 languages. this is before dubbing and -- >> that's a whole lot of movies, alan. >> that's a whole lot of movies --
>> a whole lot of time. >> but they made money at it. they made the german version, the spanish, et cetera. >> there was an audience. in your background, it says you used to be a new york city cab driver. >> briefly. >> it was brief, but i understand you were a good driver. does that help you in your spy writing novel? because i would think you would meet some very interesting people in a cab. >> well, what you do learn in a cab is that 90% of the people in the world are nice. the other 10% -- >> i believe that. >> -- got up that morning to give you xyz, and there is no way in this world that you can do anything about that. you just have to live with it. so, thus characters in books emerge. >> you think 90% are nice, huh? >> i believe so. >> i believe that, too. >> if you're nice to them. most people prefer it that way, but not all. >> when you put it out there, it's amazing what you get back. >> that's true. >> well, it's a great book. thank you for coming by this morning. >> thank you very much. >> keeps you guessing to the end. "mission to paris." >> on sale now. rent the runway has been called the netflix of fashion.
>> there would be times when i would come up with the information. >> we loved reporting. i mean, there was definitely no question he's a better writer than i am. >> that, of course, is charlie rose talking with reporters carl bernstein and bob woodward last night in washington, where charlie still is, by the way.
he's there talking about the upcoming 40th anniversary of the watergate break-in. charlie, that had to be a real special conversation to have both of them there with you. >> well, it was not only them, but ben bradley was there and sally quinn and so many of the people, john dean and others, who were part of that really historic time in our nation's life leading to the resignation of a president and to hear some of those people look back, because we have learned a lot in the last 40 years from tapes and memoirs to have these people talking about this very historic time was interesting, and especially the two reporters who were lionized in a movie called "all the president's men." to have them there, and they're still working hard. bob is writing a book now. carl i think is working on his memoirs. these are two reporters who made lots of people want to become young reporters. >> nice job. nice job. with all the major players. charlie, we'll see you a little bit later on. >> look forward to it. after less than three years
in the business, the online clothing rental site rent the runway has 2.5 million members, offers 150 top designer brands and the accessories, too. >> co-founder jennifer fleiss, you can call her jenny, who is a yale and harvard graduate, thank you very much, says her company solves the problem of having a closet full of clothes, and you know the saying, i've got a closet full of clothes and nothing to wear. hi, jennifer. >> hi. >> so, jenny, you think people say that and you go, i have the perfect solution for you. where did the idea come from? >> i was at harvard business school with my co-founder, who is also jennifer, and we were observing her sister who was going to a wedding and had one of these quintessential moments where i don't know what i'm going to wear. and we started talking to women and evolved the concept of rent the runway. >> for something you need to wear only one or two times. that's what's great about it, you only need it one or two times. >> that's right. people are renting statement dresses, one shoulder, hot pink, that they're only going to wear once, have everyone give them tons of compliments and then they don't need to wear it
again. especially with things like facebook where everyone really is their own celebrity these days, women need ew things. >> so true. every woman is their own celebrity. >> when they started, because we mentioned, it's been less than three years since you guys started this when you were in business school. what's funny to me, i read when you started it, you said you're not going to do a business plan. is that what you learned at harvard business school? >> probably not what they told us, but certainly what we believed at the time. we still think that concept is the best way to get your concept out there. we said let's get this out to consumers. we purchased depressi ed dresse and went to undergraduate college campuses and set up shop and let women start renting dresses. we wanted to see how consumers interacted with our product and we learned so much from the initial trials we did. >> give me an idea about how much it costs. if i was going to a black tie gala and i wanted something, but what i think is really genius is that you send two sizes. >> yes. >> because when i order, i do two sizes myself and then return one. >> we do, yeah. >> okay, so, give me an idea of
cost, what it would cost me. i'm going to something really great, i have nothing to wear. >> we have dresses starting around $40 to rent going up to about $400 to rent. >> what do they normally cost? >> it's about 10% to 15% of retail, so up to $4,000. you can get a fantastic gown for let's say $75. you can be perfectly outfitted for your black tie event. we have accessories that can go with it and a stylist team to tell you how to pair them together. >> how long do i get to keep it? >> four to eight days. >> okay. where did you come up with the two-size rule? i can't tell you how much i'm so impressed with that. >> thank you. observing consumers, we learned so much from how women think about fashion and two sizes really helped that comfort level of you're going to a really special event and you kind of have one chance to get it right. we send you the dresses the day before your special night. we want to make sure you have a good experience. >> so you can't try it on. >> you don't try it on in advance, but we have amazing photos and we have real women on
the site wearing the dresses, so you don't just see the models -- >> real bodies? not model bodies? >> exactly. >> there was an interesting article that involved you in "the new york times," and one thing that stood out to me, you said you don't agree men should be considered in the same exact context as women around the aspect of raising a family. you're a new mom. >> mm-hmm. >> how old is your baby? >> she's 5 months. >> that's a new mom. >> a lot of people say look at us the same way. forget the fact that we have children. you wouldn't look at it that way if you're a man. but you say that's not the way to look at it. why? >> for me at least, i'm breast-feeding my child and will be for a while longer. that itself takes up probably two hours of the day. i took ten weeks maternity leave, my husband took one week. so, i think it is very much an individual thing, but i know, at least for me, like, there is no way in which we could have had the same level of time commitments just from those two facts alone. so i think it was responsible of me to, you know, talk through that with my investors, with my team to kind of plan around all those factors, and i think that
there are things that are demanding for a woman having a child in a different way than for a man. >> you're absolutely right. what's the baby's name? >> daniella. >> look how you smile when you say it. you can't just say daniella. you can see all of your teeth. and how is this going? >> it is going really well. we're growing incredibly quickly. >> congratulations. >> thank you so much. >> congratulations, jennifer fleiss. before we go, let's go back to charlie one more time before the hour is done. hello, charlie rose. >> hello there, gayle and erica. i miss being with you in new york today. i'll see you tomorrow. that does it for us. up next is your local news, so we will see you tomorrow on "cbs this morning." a lot of interesting people coming in, including mayor bloomberg and others. we'll take a look at what's happening in the world as we do, take a look at who's making news, all of that. gayle? >> you said you miss me and erica. is that really true or is that just tv talk? how do i know? >> i don't know tv talk. >> go ahead. >> no, i'm reading the prompter right now. gayle, i really, really, really meant it.