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captioning sponsored by cbs today on "face the nation" on this holiday weekend. anger over healthcare and a new plus summer book and film panel focused on new works about president and wars. both past and present. members of congress went home to face the all too familiar anger from constituents after senate republicans missed the deadline passing the healthcare bill. as republican leaders struggle to come up with a compromise that will attract right, left and center within the party.
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trump who suggested scrapping the effort and whose summer twitter storm went far enough to earn criticism from both parties >> the fake media tried to stop us from going to the white house but i'm president and they're not. >> mr. dickerson: we'll talk to a key conservative in the healthcare. we'll also get an update on the u.s. backed forces fight as take the isis strong hold in raqqa in syria. using social media to defeat isis. plus. we'll talk with the authors of two new books set during world war ii and look at revealing new books about president nixon son and obama, and as always, we'll have plenty of political analysis. it's all coming up on "face the nation." >> mr. dickerson: happy 4th of july weekend. this a past w
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win for president as the supreme court lifted the block on parts of his travel ban but set backs and confusion on healthcare. and an ugly outbursts from the president dominated the rest of the week. as majority leader mitch mcconnell struggled to find a healthcare bill that could pass, help craft a bipartisan bill were dismissed a by the president as insincere. thursday morning, the president embarked on a twitter rampage attacking two hosts mental states. this time there was bipartisan agreement that he had gone too far far. >> it is not normal for a grown man to be so consumed with petty vitrial >> do you regret your tweets >> mr. dickerson: and that it was a distraction from important businesslike the southern trip to washington.
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they suggested congress split healthcare into two parts. he tweeted. if republican senators are unable to pass what they are working on now, they should immediately repeal and replace at a later days. all this as members of the house and senate went home for the holiday. our guests louisiana bill cassidy >> things in this bill which adversely affect my state >> mr. dickerson: got an ear full from constituents. and we begin today with are utah republican center mike lee in salt lake city, the book written out of history the forgotten founder who fought big government. i want to start with healthcare. you're pushing something called the consumer freedom act. how will that get
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your republican colleagues? >> this bill we've been discussing in the senate has bail-outs for insurance companies. it has hundreds of bills of dollars in tax relief for the affluent. it has provisions for the poor, what leads out are the forgotten man and woman, those earning a combined household income of $75,000 or so. who have been left behind. and these are the people who helped propel president trump to victory last november. we need to do more to help them and to make sure that they're able to purchase the kind of healthcare they want, the kind of healthcare that's affordable for their families. >> mr. dickerson: as i understand it, what you're proposing would allow states to have insurance companies had none of obamacare mandates as long as they kept one plan that would still have those parts of obamacare that people like to protections for preexisting conditions, and the essential health benefits. criticism is if you leave just one plan, that it ends up getting all the
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and while premiums go down for others who are healthier you create essentially the classic death spiral. >> well, the death spiral is what we see with obamacare right now. and the fact is, that by guaranteeing them at least one obamacare compliant plan, we're guaranteeing them exactly what they have now, giving them more options that would inevitably unleash free market course that is would in turn bring down the cost of healthcare. that's what we want to do. as to those2 obamacare plan still, there are ways of funding those. there are ways of making sure those don't go in a a downward spiral >> mr. dickerson: the ways of funding them at the moment are subsidies tied to a percentage of your income to premiums don't get too high. is that what you're suggesting? the problem is if premiums do get very high, that people then be priced out and you'll have the sickest people unable to get insurance. >> that's right. and there are concerns with that, but we have to remember that for those who
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underneath the 350% of federal poverty level line, those people would see their subsidies go up, as their costs went up in the insurance pools. went those people would be essentially held harmless and we would see other people, other people who would avail themselves of free market, being able to unite with an insurance company, wanted to sell them a policy they want to buy and a policy they can afford. of >> mr. dickerson: let me get into place into politics where some of your body republican colleagues are nervous, which is there would be one obamacare plan that would have protections for preexisting conditions, but they worry that only one plan that would do so would really in the be protection for preexisting conditions because those premiums would be so high. and they think that is just politically something that can't be sold to your republican colleagues. do you have an answer for that >> first of all, this is no different really than what they have right now where people have access to a plan,
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often they can't afford. a plan whose premiumses are too high, a plan with a deductible so high that they can't use the policy. we got to do something to reinject free mark forces into this environment. if we can't get this done, i've made clear if we can bring free market forces to bear, we can bring down costs for middle class americans. but if politically for some reason we can't get that done, what we ought to do is get back to what avenue been suggesting push full repeal and embark on a step-by-step process to decide what comes next, this is consistent with basically every republican who has campaigned for federals of for last seven year promised to do, this is consistent with what we did in december of 2015. and this is probably what we ought to be doing now if we can't save this effort >> mr. dickerson: if republicans can't agree on a replacement option at the moment, why would they be able to agree on one in the future? >> well, if we adopted a
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repealing obamacare, put a delayed implementation measure in there with the understanding at that point after passing the repeal measure we would undertake the step-by-step process of deciding what comes next. i think it's easier, sometimes when you lump too many things into one piece of legislation i fear that might be where we are today and explanation a lot about what president trump was talking about in his tweet the other day in his series of communications if i and i think it's worth considering of it's consistent with what i thought would be better a more likely to succeed legislative strategy over last six months >> mr. dickerson: an argument about what's been lost. explain do us why that's important now. >> the stories of our early forgotten founders who taught it about federalism separation of
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understanding that not all power is supposed to be vested in the federal government i still the story of eight forgotten founders like indiana chief who topped ben franklin about the idea that you can form a confederate see. ben franklin helped those to the other founders who worked those principals into the constitution. we forgotten about federalism and as we see from these discussions there's never been a time in american history where we needed federalism mor, this is neither republican or democrat, liberal or conservative. it's american, a constitutional value. one that would work well today and would allow more americans to get more what, if any, they want out of governments and less of what they won't want that's why i write i want the american people to be able to reconnect with these stories of these forgotten founders
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has been thinking about the founder and their standards and keeping them. they talked about virtue of their president, evaluate based on your view of the standards, the founder set for virtue, the current behavior of president this week. >> look, the president of the united states is a unique man, campaigned on an aggressive platform that involved draining the swamp. the president takes a unique approach that differs from many of his predecessors. it's not going to do any good for me or anyone else to comment on things we might not like about his twitter behavior. the best thing we can do when we want to elevate dialogue in our american political discourse is to do what we can to make sure we treat others kindly with dignity and respect. that's what intended to >> mr. dickerson: thanks for being with us, happy 4th of july. we turn to our
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erza client is co founder and editor in chief. lanhee chen is at stanford university and michael graham is the columnist for the boston heard. there's mcconnell trying to get a bargain or deal. president said repeal it and you heard mike lee mention that then he also has this other deal of obamacare plan and free market, free open insurance plans. any of those a route to success >> i have deep concerns about two out of three, i believe senator lee's approach is trying to get a state flexibility, trying to get the sort of federalist notion, i think mcconnell's bill does that. i think the concerns you brought up in the interview are appropriate. what will happen to the health of had those insurance marketplaces and the afford ability is effectively you're punting everyone that's got a preexisting condition and that subsidiz
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with respect to the idea of repeal and delay i believe this is an awful game of chicken. what is to say they're able to get agreement in the future? they're not going to have budget reconciliation to use again. they're going to do need to fitting out is there a pathway that includes 60 votes? i believe that's unlikely senator mcconnell has tried to put together, it's not a perfect bill by any means but it accomplish as lot of what republicans have been trying to do >> we have to ask what problems are we trying to solve and who is trying to solve them? how do you get 50 republicans in the senate? then you get the question, what are the 50 votes trying to do? you have a caucus of relatively moderate republican senators who say they're worried about deductibles medicaid, the health of insurance markets. they give a caucus of more conservative republicans senators who say they're
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fundamentally about worried about the architecture. the cost would be destroying individual insurance markets more or less asset he said ther will no longer be the central tea of federal insurance in state markets. i believe mcconnell's is the only plausible. you're going to neat to get 50. they have a dome right now that poor people cannot afford insurance, you're looking at insurance in the $6,000 deductibles when you make $10,000, they will try to put a little bit more money but will they get to something when they look at it, when does normal people look at it? they're looking at something they like, folks like the senator can defend when they go home >> mr. dickerson: you got that and the mike lee side of it. isn't the primary driver had republicans have been promised to repeal this and if mcconnell's bill pas i
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repealed >> they should have done the first day sign the i now repeal the obamacare act and blank underneath that with date and go on and move on. that's where when senator sass that's something that paul ryan was talking about in march. do something. i agree that the idea of collins and rand paul will find some connection, some magic moment. i'll know how to fly. >> there's one other idea which is that the democrats can join together were the republicans coming up, you have the democrats from colorado and john kasich in ohio republicans saying they had an idea for bipartisan healthcare reform, what are your thoughts about the prospect >> the prospect from that are not -- are that it can't happen yet. it is totally possible to imagine that happening down the road, but the mcconnell
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which i agree with what everybody else has said which is is the only practical solution to the problem, needs to either succeed first or fail first. and i think that the problem with senator mcconnell's rubic analogy, you know, there's a solution. with this, you don't know that there's a solution where you can turn the dials enough to get the 50 votes that you need. because you have a bunch of different efforts going on. we talked about this originally to get rid of obamacare. but it's simply not getting rid of obamacare. he said completely overhauling changing dismantling medicaid, which is not what people were told. once you start doing that, you start -- you start to lose people on the right because you're reenforcing obamacare and undoing the medicaid that a lot of voters rely on. there's few
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can get rid of the tax on we think three people's income, you can add opioid money, whether that will be enough is an open question. >> mr. dickerson: we need to take a break but we'll be right back with our panel. look at me... you used to be the "yes" guy. what happened to that guy? legacy technology can handcuff any company. but "yes" is here. so, you're saying we can cut delivery time? yeah. with help from hpe, we can finally work the way we want to. with the right mix of hybrid it, everything computes.
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there's an important thing to remember, which it didn't end there. when republicans went to voters and said we're going to repeal and replace obamacare they said we're going to take away what you don't like. i was on this show when mitch mcconnell was on and he said obamacare left 25 million insured, its deductibles too high. people are in bad insurance that they cannot afford oh use, they cannot pass an obamacare repeal and replace that gives every single one of them work.
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increase deductibles and co pays and leading to people being insured. they will make it better. >> dickerson: fundamentally i think this point how difficult an issue healthcare is because all of these things have interactive. it's going to related to afford ability of healthcare. that's what republicans should try to do. even in their dialogue and rhetoric that needs to be the focused they get caught up if they would focus on afford ability and cbo does show this bill will have positive effects on premiums, that's where they need to be headed >> dickerson: speaking of getting caught up, the president, was focused less on healthcare and more on press, there was this attack against host of morning joe. what do you make of all of this? >> i'm trying to come up with the right adjective. appalling, disappointing and not
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surprising. except that this one really did seem to hit a new low in the sense that we heard the president engage in these sort of sexest tweets before where he's attacking women for looks and this was a great combination of looks and age which is getting a little personal, and we haven't seen him do quite that as president. will that change anybody's behavior? i think we heard from senator lee that it really won't. it's, i'm appalled by the president's behavior. i'm withdrawing everything except for my support for his agenda and my colleague. >> dickerson: let me get your thoughts about this as a strategic move. president thinks this is a smart idea. towards what end? >> i talked to a trump supporter who said were the comments idiotic? yes, but justified? yes, justified
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not to harp on the east coast liberal media, i was conservative talk show host in boston, i know what it's like to wake up every day with a target on your back. there are millions of people who never back a man like donald trump sticking with trump. his r his numbers had huge they sense there's somebody out there who want to hurt them. from the early morning shows to saturday in it live under attack and this guy's enemy is theirs and that's why they stick >> dickerson: had the white house, the deputy spokesperson said basically people knew this is what they were going to get with donald trump >> there was a lot of this in the history and that supports michael's point, which is this is basically what people knew was a part of the package. >> i think we've seen this sort of behavior over and over again to expect something else is insane tea. what it comes down to is the president's ability to advance the conservative agenda. and is that going to be effective? certainly healthcare is the all
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if they can't get healthcare done, what's going to happen to tax reform, infrastructure, immigration, all these issues, and ultimately the first referendum on the president, the first real one will happen next november and we'll have to see whether there's a diminished able for the president to can't make his case and get away with what he's doing, if republicans cannot move an agenda. >> dickerson: we'll end it there, thanks to all of you and we'll be right back engthen and re-harden that tooth surface, the whiter their patients' teeth are going to be. dentists are going to really want to recommend the new pronamel strong and bright. it's going to give their patients whiter teeth. be the you who doesn't cover your moderate to severe plaque psoriasis. be the you who shows up in that dress. who hugs a friend. who is done with treatments that don't give you clearer skin. be the you who controls your psoriasis with stelara® just 4 doses a year after 2 starter doses. stelara® may lower your ability to fight infections and may increase your risk of infections and cancer. some serious infections require hospitalization. before treatment, get tested for tuberculosis.
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already planning for a future without the extremist appointing local counsel. north of raqqa we watched them releasing 81 men and boys accused of being isis fighters. they had been rehabilitated they told us after defecting or being captured and this was a public show of forgive ness in full view of television cameras. with a handshake and free cookie they were reunited with families. he told us her 15-year-old son hamry ran off to join isis four months ago. i advise every mother to stop their kids from joining isis. i wasn't sure i'd ever see him again. but even now the islamic state is rapidly losing territory nobody here thinks that retaking raqqa will spell the end of
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at the u.s. there are officially around 500 u.s. troops now in syria. though the real number is thought to be much higher. lieutenant general steven town send is a commander at the u.s. led coalition to fight isis >> i think u.s. troops will start leaving syria when isis is defeated. >> reporter: but it will surely turn into an insurgeon see when they lost the territory >> i think that's the next stage of isis, we call that isis 2.0, an insurge see rule. we'll be here dealing with that. >> reporter: the cal fate is crumbling, will that kill isis or its idealogy >> dickerson: holly williams reporting from syria, we'll be back in a moment. connected business world. ughout the
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>> dickerson: welcome back, we turn to the upcoming documentary, city of ghosts. which focuses on a very unusual group of citizens journalists putting lives on the lines in fight against isis in syria. let's take a quick look at a respective. >> the men and women of raqqa being slaughtered violently are real journalistic heros. they work in secret and under constant threatss isis in the home city. some fear for their own lives. in exhile, they're in no way safe.
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safe. >> we haven't seen them. >> dickerson: matthew heineman is the director of the film, one of the founders of the group raqqa is being slaughtered silently. i want to start with you. you were just a college student wasn't active in politics. how do you get involved in this. >> like i had no background at all. when the whole revolution started. i decided to be part because of the corruption of the government, i went to the street street. the syrian government defended most of the organization to come to find out what's going on. i decided to film what's going on and most of the syrian
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of protests there decided to do the same and came to establish media and those organizations to reporters >> dickerson: there are 17 of these corresponds. how do you keep them safe >> they're working in dangerous conditions for us it was like a duty or something that we should, to do, because isis did the same as the government. they defended the organization to come. after we started in a month, isis executed one of our friends, they found videos, photos and many stuff on his laptop and we were communicating through facebook. later on after the first execution, we decided to be more careful. so most of our colleagues inside came to turkey, got training then they went
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they had the training. and after that, the first execution, we didn't close any of our colleagues in raqqa, the terrorist execution was family members in raqqa and colleagues in turkey had >> dickerson: matt how did you hear >> isis starting to become front page news and i started reading all about it and see if there was a film to be made. the article that i did in new yorker about this group i knew this was my story >> dickerson: in terms an audience take away, what's the message >> other than the amazing footage >> intellectually assassinated this war propaganda, this informational between isis application propaganda on the other, that's what drew me to the film. it became mu
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it became a story members on run after other members being killed and rising naturalism in europe where they settled. it became a story of trauma. so i think with the film willing to put a human face to the topic, it's rely gated to headlines or photos. >> dickerson: you talked about this as your duty to keep going despite safety concerns. why do you feel it's your duty? >> because first after isis took over our city, they started to spread their propaganda everywhere, they were able to recruit me and we knew that what we were talking about or what they're talking about like mostly rumors, fake news, and no one could -- and we toward international organization taking isis as a source, all of us, we used as active as journalists against the syrian regime. we decided to be against the
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started to report the news, before we started in raqqa, you have only isis video and propaganda. so we were able to make a change with this war. >> dickerson: you're talking about the battle of ideas. what's the state of that battlu<
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both set in the world war ii era. fast forward to more recent history and welcome "new york times" white house correspond peter baker, the call of history, and john farrell's latest is nixon. let's start with you. tell us the story of barton, bill and benny >> this is a family story, three brothers from new jersey, my father, bill, my uncles barton and been knee all naval officers, when war broke out three different continents, my father set output the white house for roosevelt and was on the u.s.s. enter price which barely escaped pearl harbor and barton thought they had ranged to keep out of harm's way supply core officers had him get his commission and was wounded and listed as missing. of the story is about the
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two for the youngest. he was sort of a rude like character. even as he, in prison camp came into his own and he was moral support being for all the other he was in prison with >> dickerson: let's go to europe in world war ii. what is last home island >> it's england. it's the story with really hasn't been told. it's about england opening its doors to the leaders and the military of occupied countries in europe after the germans had concurred them, and it's counter to the prevailing myth that we've actually created by winston churchill that england stood alone, from the middle of 1940 after the german of
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europe until 1941 when the u.s. and the soviet union were reluctantly catapulted into war and that's it's not true. these europeans who came there, escaped, they helped england survive, then went on to make enormous contributions to the overall allied victory. >> dickerson: jack, everybody is saying richard nixon, his secret see. comparing it to donald trump, in the trump campaign, they compared him to nixon, where do you the similar teas and differences >> there's a great similar tea in the investigation and the actual crime and they both alleged crimes were break inat the democratic national party headquarters. very little comparison between the two individuals. there's a little bit of similar tea in listening to nixon's tapes and reading president trump's tweets
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>> dickerson: you're seeing sort of what they did and future biographies and historians are going to have down on their knees praying god thanks every night. because president trump insisted on tweeting at a time when nobody writes letters or keeps diaries anymore. and despite the slight comparison in their ability to look out into their audience and find recent meant and actually turn that into votes. tell me about the two different timelines of history when we do it day-to-day, of course, we get everything right and it's perfectly in context but when you write about history, you step back and the things that everybody was obsessed with were in the obsessions and the things people missed turned out to be the turning points. i discover writing books is how little we really understand at the time. we get the biggest part of the story i think more or less right,
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the time some spokesperson will say your story is totally wrong. later you do back, no, they, you know, dogs or cats, but there's so much more to being discovered about every president you can go back to nixon's presidency and fdr, we're still learning new things, we're learning things about george w bush, i hope in days aside, we'll learn things about obama in this book. we continue to rediscover and reevaluate them and learn new things's >> dickerson: i want to talk to you about character. talking about bill is, bill is in the nap room and knows what's coming with his two brothers. he knows what they're going to face and he doesn't tell them he can't do anything about it. of >> for every engagement, every lopsided bottle where the ships can be destroyed at anchor and fleet and enter price was a sorry band of oilers and
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together destroyers behind them would go to launch for the do little raid would head for midway, all of those hit-and-run battles and bill knew about everyone and couldn't warn his brother and president knew he had two brothers, he asked about them every day, every time he came to the map room. and my father liked to say even with my republican background, i can't help but like the guy. and it was war and you didn't do that. you didn't convey those secrets. >> dickerson: we've been about churchill and then also dugal in this book, is there something you can put your finger on and say this what leaders of should have >> they had the most amazing screaming matches people were afraid they were going to kill each other but they were very alike, they knew they were going to save their countries, absolutely convinced.
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to. nobody expected to britain to survive after 1940. nobody expected france to come back. but those men were determined that was going to happen. >> dickerson: sense of nationalism. after nixon, his character was relatively clean going into the presidency? do we have that wrong? i guess what i'm looking for is where do you put the pin in his development >> nixon comes home, gets elected to the u.s. congress and george marshal goes to harvard yards and announces there will be a plan for the marshal plan to bring back europe and france so there is going to be a france, and richard nixon southern california district. right wing hate that day. of his backers hated that. his mentor writes him a letter saying you stay out of this, but nixon gone over on a trip to europe seened bombed out cities, had little german kids coming up to him
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father's war metals to him and he comes back and decides that edmond burke do i owe my obedience? and decides judge and he campaign nine straight months in his district. transforms it. he doesn't just win reelection on the republican ticket. he wins the democratic nomination. that's the good side. as you said is the night of 1960. when he believes that the kennedies is stolen the election from him and this brings forth this tore rent of resentment, and he decides then, and this started confirmed to me that that was the moment when he decided he was not going to be out spent, not out cheated and not out kennedied again and he would do whatever it take, whatever they did, he would match it >> dickerson: peter did you come to an essential understain
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character was off, often portrayed as spock. you could make the sense president trump is in a sense answer answer to president obama where he talked about being a man of action, whereas president obama said i like to know something before talking about it. was that his essential character or other people who said he can do the compulsory act. the people he was working with didn't want to be smooshed. it was the circumstances he was in. >> i don't think it's his nature. he was an intellectual good person, he's not well, met kind of politician, unlike both george w bush and bill clinton got energy off of other people and cause by fdr clearly like nixon, i think in some ways, obama had a more reserved per personality. he saw its
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should be shmooshig, congress more, they're not going to vote for me just because i give them popcorn to watch a movie and he had a point, they vote their constituents, even if they do substitute their own judgment. i do think we see through history that person, that interactions do matter. and that that was something he just didn't buy into and i believe he suffered as a result. there were moments where he could have potentially made a difference had he been more willing to play the game. it wasn't his thing. >> dickerson: you wrote about your father, who you knew but then you wrote about his character too. i did a similar thing about my mother and found that i knew the person i wrote about better than the person who i knew. did you find that >> absolutely. there were hints of this, whenever my father would talk about his time during world war ii, his time with churchill, time with roosevelt
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map room, he became -- it was a little bit of a window on an i'm sure man, deeply affected and i wanted to know that person. we were organizing papers, and i found a stack of files, correspondent files naval intelligence files, white house correspond files and i found photographs i had never seen of the three brothers together. in those files, in one section of them was the beginning of this search for this younger brother when he talked about it and became wistful in later conversations you could tell this was a deeply emotional passage for him. whenever we talked about it as children or young adults or full
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never, we just knew that whatever happened had affected him and we wanted to know more because otherwise we didn't really see the emotional side of this man. that is part of what drove me. >> dickerson: written about a lot of big character, what was it like to have richard nixon in your head? >> not as bad as expected. i did two liberal heros, clarence and tip o'neill and i had to govern my affection. with nixon case i had to govern my skepticism. i was struck by the fact that his former aids and people who knew him were so protective. there was this emotional feeling that nobody understood this guy. you need to start off on 0 before you go off to right or left. it's that's what a go by biographer should do.
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now this awful flaw which end upbringing the country to what barry goldwater said one of the worst cries crisis in our history. nixon always kept me on my toes. he was a challenge. >> dickerson: peter, you've written about clinton bush, obama, do you have a theory of the presidency that has -- that is emerged >> i had a theory that has been blown to. we make them out to be very different characters because of politics idealology. the fact that bill clinton, george w bush and barack obama had much more in common they would ever want to admit. but the dynamic, the desires and motives were not that different. and then along comes donald trump i have to say my
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changed entirely. so different than the other three. that it makes me think that it's not always the same. maybe they are very vast differences in the nature of people in that office or at least there is now. >> dickerson: reading your book, the stories of britain and tied to europe, it's happening right now. >> absolutely. and you know, the ironic thing is that thanks to what happened to all these european leaders coming to london, that was the beginning of the european union, london served as the sea bed of the european union, if those leaders had not gathered in london, if they had not been forced to work together, socialize, to get to know each other. the european wouldn't exist today. and ironic thing is they wanted britain to leave that. they wanted britain to be the leader of the unioncation campaign. they said no, and as a result history was changed forever. >> dickerson: thank you all so much for b
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delight be and everybody, i hope you enjoy all of the books. >> thank you.
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>> dickerson: one of the great coincidences of american history took place on the 4th of july 1 nine years ago. two country founders died the same day the 50th anniversary of the declaration of independence, one was its author, thomas jeffery son son. always amazing was they died friends because they had once been vicious enemies. they had worked together forging the nation, won the pen, and voice of independence, but by 1800 they competed for the presidency in a campaign far uglier. jefferson employed one of the greatest hatchet men in politics. he attacked president adams so viciously that he threw him in jail. he lost anyway. jefferson and adams didn't communicate 11 years until a mutual relay friend remindly them of their panel calling
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north and south policy of the american revolution a letter from you calls up recollections very dear to my mind, wrote jefferson, carries me back to the times when the threat of difficulties and dangerous we were fellow lobbyers in same cause, they changed 150 letters after that. what allowed them to knock off the crust of hatred was their love for shared set of values. the jefferson and adams reconciliation matched their hopes for the nation. america would be able to survive the bad spells. partisanship and pride and abuse of power because its citizens would keep commitment to freedom, equality and justice and pull the country back on track. a risky experiment is now 241 years old, only because each generation fault keep faith with the foundation that jefferson and adams laid happy
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july. i'm john dickerson. see you next week.
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