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are going to start winning ingning for our country. >> now the children of the reagan revolution are ready to assume the mantle of leadership. >> tonight, despite millions and millions of dollars of false and nasty attacks, despite the entirety of the political establishment coming together against us, south carolina has given us another remarkable result. >> by the way, no republican has ever won south carolina and iowa or new hampshire as trump has without going onto win the nomination. on the democratic side hillary clinton got the win she needed to blunt the bernie sanders momentum. clinton beat sanders 53-47 finally getting an unambiguous victory after the nail biting win in iowa. here are the results in nevada became clear. >> tens of thousands of men and women with kids to raise, bills
die, this is your campaign. >> i believe that when democrats assemble in philadelphia in july at that convention, we are going to see the results of one of the great political upsets in the history of the united states. >> this morning a packed show. we're going to hear from donald trump, marco rubio, ted cruz and bernie sanders this morning. but we're going to begin with the republican front-runner, donald trump, who joins me live from palm beach, florida. mr. trump, good morning and congratulations, sir. >> good morning. thank you. thank you very much. >> let me start with this idea of whether it is a three-way race. do you believe the republican nomination's a three-way race? or do you believe this is you on your way to getting the nomination? >> well, i think i have a big advantage, but it's certainly a three-person race. and you have a couple of other people that are very talented there too. so we have a five-man race. and i think that it's going to be, you know, it's going to be
i have a big advantage, but long way from being won. >> well, that's very humble of you this morning. look, this has been a dramatic week of, i guess, changes, position changes, even by your standards. on wednesday you praised the health care man date, by friday you said abolish. on saturday you said planned parenthood did wonderful things, on thursday you said you'd defund it. similarly at the debate you called george w. bush a liar, you sort of backtracked on that later in the week. are you -- it comes across, are you taking positions that you believe, or are you sort of as things get heated are you switching at the last minute? what are we to make of all this this week? >> well, on the mandate, if you look at the mandate, we had a situation where we were anderson cooper, who's terrific by the way and did a terrific job, but we were talking over each other. look, i want -- we're going to repeal and replace obamacare. obamacare is a total and complete disaster. it's going to be gone. we're going to come up with a great health care plan, whether it's health care savings accounts. we have a lot of different things.
between states, we'll have great competitive bidding. but i say all the time you can call it anything you want. people are not going to die in the middle of the street. people are not going to die on the sidewalk if i'm president, okay. >> let me get something definitive from you on this -- >> chuck, excuse me, i say that to packed houses with thousands and thousands of people. republicans mostly. and i get standing ovations. i'm not going to let that happen. if i'm president, we're not going to have people dying on the streets. you can call it whatever you want -- >> no, i understand that. let me ask you this -- >> i don't call it mandate, it's common sense. >> do you think it should be a law anybody who can afford health insurance has to have it? >> i think, no. i think it's going to be up to them. i want it to be up to them. but i'm really talking about people that can't afford it. we're not going to let people die in squalor because we are okay. that's part of the problem with the republicans. horrible position. we're going to take care of people. have it.
they're going to be a lot less expensive than obamacare. they're going to be private. there are going to be lots of different options. we're going to have a lot of different options. ght now you have no options. you know why? because the insurance company controlled obama because they gave him a lot of money. that's why you have lines around the stalts that you can't get competitive bidding. >> now let's move to planned parenthood. you defended the other work planned parenthood does. >> that's right. i do. >> now you said you'd defund it. >> that's right, i would. >> democrats will say the money they give to planned parenthood does not go to abortions. that the money they give to planned parntd hood only goes to other womens health issues including mammograms and things like that. if you knew the government money were only going to that, would you support funding planned parenthood? >> yeah. if it didn't have to do with abortions. look, i understand and many, many friends who are women who understand planned parenthood better than you or i will ever understand it and they do some very good work. cervical cancer, lolts of womens
i know one of the candidates i won't mention their name said we're not going to spend that kind of money on womens health issues. i am. planned parenthood does a good job in a lot of different areas but not on abortion. so i'm not going to fund it if it's doing the abortion. i am not going to fund it. now, they say it's 3% and it's 4%. some say 60%. i don't believe it's 60% by the way, but i think it's probably a much lower number. but planned parenthood does some very good work. but i would defund as long as they're doing abortions. >> all right. let me move to the issue of iraq. obviously a couple clips came out. let me play you the howard stern clip in 2002. >> okay. sure. >> we have an idea who the enemy is and a lot of times the politicians don't want to tell you that. >> are you for invading iraq? >> yeah, i guess so. um, i wish it was -- i wish the first time it was done correctly. >> now, clearly you didn't sound like an enthusiastic supporter of the war. but i am curious in the second part of that quote, i wish the first time it was done
what do you mean by that? >> well, what i mean by that is it almost shouldn't have been done. you know, i really don't even know what i mean because that was a long time ago. who knows what was in my head. i think that it wasn't done correctly in retrospect it shouldn't have been done at all. it was sort of, you know, it was done. we dropped bombs. now, if you look back, actually that was probably the correct way of doing it, not going in and not upsetting giving them a lesson or not. i think senior actually did a pretty good job of what he was doing. he went in, he taught them a lesson. what happened is he was taunted because saddam hussein was saying we drove back the americans, the ugly americans were driven back, the power of iraq, the power. well, we weren't driven back, he just decided not -- general and
although i think maybe he wanted to go in. if you look at my conversation with howard, we're very good friends, different than what you hear on the radio, but we're very good friends. don't forget i was a real estate man and businessman. that was the first time i think that question was ever even asked of me. that was long before the war took place. that was many, many months before the war took place. and you could see by my answer i wasn't exactly thrilled. joe scar borough released a point yesterday a tweet saying trump is right, look what he just said. you have to take a look at that. but regardless the war in iraq was a disaster. it was probably the worst thing, if you look at the middle east now, all started because of that horrible decision to go into iraq. and you know what we end up with? nothing. we spent $2 trillion. we have thousands and thousands of lives killed. just thousands carnage. and we have wounded warriors, who i love all over the place, right, and we have nothing and
they've been trying to for many, many decades and now they're finally taking over iraq. as we sit here they're taking over iraq. we get nothing. >> let me give you one more issue where you sort of went counter to what is perceived as republican orthodox and that is the issue of israeli and the palestinians. you said wednesday you wanted to be neutral in that dispute. explain what neutral means because some heard that in the pro-israeli community and thinks, oh, he's going to be anti-israel. explain what you mean by neutral. >> no. i'm very pro-israel. in fact, i was the head of the israeli day parade a number of years ago, i did a commercial for netanyahu when he was getted elected asked me to do a commercial for him, i did a commercial for him. i am. but i don't want to be -- look, the hardest thing to do is that in terms of deal, if you're a deal person, right, the ultimate deal is that deal. israel, palestine, if you're going to make it, that probably
people are born with hatred, they're taught hatred. and i have to say it's mostly on the one side, not on the other side, but they're taught hatred. i say this, if i'm going to be president, i'd rather be in a position because i will try the best i can. and i'm a very good dealmaker. believe me. to try and solve that puzzle. you're not going to solve it if you're going to be on one side or another. everyone understands that. if i'm going to solve the problem, i want to go in with a clean slate otherwise you're never going to get the cooperation of the other side. so that's all i'm saying. >> donald trump, i'm going to leave it there. again, congratulations on your big win. stay safe on the trail. we'll be watching on tuesday. >> thank you. thank you very much. >> you got it. all right. i'm joined now by the man who came in second last night, senator marco rubio of florida. senator rubio, welcome back to "meet the press," sir. >> thank you. thanks for having me on. >> you got it. okay. sorry about that. let me start with how you feel about this win -- this second
you had every major endorsement that you could have had and yet you still finished a distant second in south carolina. how do you look at this as a positive and not a negative? >> because 65% of the people voted yesterday and about 70% of republicans around the country have said we want someone other than donald trump to be our nominee. the problem is that vote was still divided even last night among five other people or four other people. i think now the race is narrowing even more. and as it narrows and continues to narrow, we're going to continue to gain. so it was a very unusual year. you usually don't have five campaigns operating full-time in a state this late into the process. three states in. but i feel great that now that the choices have become less and less, more and more that new voter alternative to donald trump vote is going to coalesce around us and we have to make the work to make that happen, but we feel good about that. >> the issue i think all republicans have had going up against donald trump whether it's been jeb bush, ted cruz,
well, you say he's not a real republican on this issue. i'm sure you heard my interview with him. he doesn't have a lot of traditional republican stances on issues, and yet he's still winning. how do you ever winover his voters? >> yeah. well a couple things happen, number one he'll say something over the top and you guys in the press will decide let's not cover anything and focus on the outrage of statement. he's been very good at dominating that. and in an 11 person or 15 person field it crowded a lot of people out. that's going to become harder to do. the second point i would make is people are really angry at washington and they have a right to be. that's why i ran in 2010 by the way. and it's because i didn't want my next u.s. senator to be someone who was going to go up and do the same stuff people have been doing. our argument is it's okay to angry and upset at washington, but anger alone is not enough. you deserve a nominee who tells you exactly here's what we're going to do and outlines that. so you know what you're getting. so there's some level of accountability here. so my campaign is about this.
challenges right now in this country. but we're also optimistic about the future, but only if we do a few things. and i'm going to tell you exactly what those things are. and that's a big difference in this campaign between mr. trump's campaign and mine. i think that's going to begin to matter a lot more now because there are less people in the race and more time to pay attention to some of that. >> look, throughout the week it was clear a lot of campaigns thought you had momentum, a lot of campaigns were going after you. here's one attack ad that cruz put up on immigration. i want to play a snip-it of it and get a reaction from you on the other side. >> we know we have to deal with the 11 million people that are here illegally. >> we have to deal with the 11 million individuals who are here illegally. >> the bill that senator rubio put forward i think is a great place to start. >> they still have to qualify for it. >> passing a background check. >> passed a background check. >> pay a penalty. >> pay a fine. >> paying taxes. >> start paying taxes. >> it won't be a quick process. >> that is a long path. >> but it will be a fair process. >> but i do think it's fair.
couldn't see the ad as we played it, i'm sure you've heard itt and seen reference, what part of that ad is not true? >> it doesn't matter. the point -- first of all people didn't care about it. this is now an attack going on in state after state and people have processed and understand it's a serious issue that needs to be solved. number two, i could put the exact same ad on about ted cruz. ted cruz said he wanted to find a compromise, ted cruz said he wanted to bring 11 million people out of the shadows. ted cruz said that he wanted immigration reform to pass. here's the bottom line, i tried to solve a very difficult issue. and we tried to produce the best and most conservative bill possible in a senate controlled by harry reid at the time. and then send it over to the house and have them, conservatives, make it even better. it didn't work out because the house never took it up. and so now it's very clear that the only way forward is going to be to do it in pieces beginning by securing our border. that's what we'll do. when i'm president, the senate bill's not going to be what we're operating off of.
on securing our border first and foremost. and until you do that, you're not going to be able to do anything else. >> all right. i got to talk process. you woke up in tennessee this morning. that tells me that's a little bit of a tell, that's a state obviously you think you can win on super tuesday. where else do you win on super tuesday? now it's about winning. you haven't won yet. you got to win somewhere. >> it is. well, i think first of all as we understand all these states award delegates differently. so we have a different strategy for each of these states depending how they award delegates. when we get into the winner take all states, in march, big chunks of delegates, that's where you need to win states and i feel very good about where we're going to be by then. i'm not going to reveal to you our campaign play book but we're going to be in a lot of different places, i'm in tennessee, be in arkansas, nevada, we're going to contest and work very hard for those caucuses on tuesday and keep moving forward in a bunch of other places. we have a national campaign. and i feel great about it especially after last night. >> all right. senator marco rubio, i'm going to leave it there.
it's going to be a big, quick race overq,d next 23 days. >> yes, sir. thank you. now to the democratic race and a close but crucial victory for hillary clinton in nevada yesterday. and a big blow for my next guest, senator bernie sanders. welcome back to "meet the press," senator. >> good to be with you. >> let me start with something you said on friday. you said on friday it could be 10, 20, 30 years from now people will look back at what happened in nevada and say this was the beginning of the political revolution. obviously the results didn't turn out the way you thought. what happened, sir? >> well, what happened is over the last five weeks, chuck, we came from 25 points down to five points down. as i understand it we actually won the latino vote yesterdaa which is a big breakthrough for us. but the voter turnout was not as high as i had wanted. and what i've said over and over again, we will do well when young people, when working class people come out. we do not do well when the voter
we did not do as good a job as i had wanted to bring out a large turnout. >> you know at the last minute there were reports that harry reid and the culinary union were working to try to beef upturnout in places where hillary clinton was going to do well including right there on the strip in las vegas. do you think that made a difference? >> it's hard to say. what i do know is, chuck, our message of a rigged economy in which people in nevada and around the country are working longer hours for low wages, why almost all new income and wealth is going to the top 1%, i'll tell you something else, this issue of a corrupt campaign finance system where big money interest in wall street trying to buy elections, those are the issues that are resonating. again, i wish we had had a larger voter turnout. by the way, we did phenomenally well with young people. i think we did well with working class people. remember, we were taking on a candidate who ran in 2008.
she had the names of a lot of her supporters. so i'm proud of the campaign that we ran. obviously i wish we could have done a little bit better. but at the end of the day i think she gets 19 delegates, we get 15 delegates. we move on to the next state. >> it was interesting listening to her victory speech last night. i want to play a clip of it because i may sound familiar to you. here it is. >> wall street can never be allowed to threaten main street again. no bank can be too big to fail, no executive too powerful to jail. >> it's pretty clear she has ratcheted up her rhetoric on wall street because of your candidacy. do you see that as a victory of sorts? that you've got her trying -- >> chuck, chuck -- >> -- compare your message. >> we're looking into copyright issues here. those are our words. well, obviously i think what the secretary has recognize edd is the american people are extremely angry about the power of wall
behavior of wall street. by the way, the fact that when a kid gets picked up with marijuana, that kid gets a police record, wall street executives destroy the economy, there's no prosecution against them. the american people understand that we need real change in this country. in my view a political revolution whi says to the people on top, you know what, you guys can't have it all. >> it's interesting the guy who had the biggest super pac of all time had to drop out of the race. jeb bush outspent everybody. he arguably had more special interest supporting his candidacy. isn't sort of the people already overturning citizens united? isn't your message and donald trump who've done this without super pacs, isn't this already resonating? >> no -- well, in some ways it is. but i think, you know, if you look at jeb bush's campaign it's more than just money. it's the nature of the candidate and the message and all that stuff. but let me give you an example.
understand it, chuck, more contributions from people than hillary clinton has. but she's now going into the super pac that she has which comes from wall street and very wealthy individuals. she will be outspending us in the next number of weeks precisely because of that super pac. do these things matter? yes, they do. >> where are you going to win next? you've got -- you can't just come close. you're right, you came close in nevada. but to win you got to win. and super tuesday, can you win a majority of the delegates on super tuesday? you don't have to win a majority of the states, but you need to win a majority of the delegates >> right. well, we're studying that issue very closely as to where we allocate our resources and allocate my time. i think we have a good shot in colorado. a good shot in minnesota. a good shot in massachusetts. i think we are looking pretty good in oklahoma. last poll i saw my own state of
so i think we got a shot to win there. and i think we will surprise people in some other states as well. >> don't you have to beat her in a place like texas or virginia or tennessee? a big state to say, you know what, i can win this nomination. i can't just come close. don't you have to do that? >> no, you're right. look, at the end of the day what you're saying is true, you need delegates. as you know these are state by state proportional delegation -- delegates go out. we're looking hard at michigan. we think we have a pretty good shot at parts of texas. so trust me, we are focusing very hard on trying to get as many delegates as we can. but let me also say this. we are in this race to the convention. i think we got some states coming down the pike that we're going to do very, very well in. i think, you know, if you look at national polling, our support is growing. so we think, chuck, we have come a very, very long way.
your show we were probably at 5% in the polls. we're moving, we're making progress. >> all right, bernie sanders, i know you're in south carolina this morning, but this race goes national in a hurry. thanks for coming on. stay safe on the trail, sir. >> thank you. and when we come back, how will ted cruz respond to another third place finish? he joins me next. welcome to the world 2116, you can fly across town in minutes or across the globe in under an hour. whole communities are living on mars and solar satellites provide earth with unlimited clean power. in less than a century, boeing took the world from seaplanes to space planes, across the universe and beyond. and if you thought that was amazing,
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welcome back. i'm joined now by the very narrow third place finisher in south carolina, senator ted cruz. senator, welcome back to "meet the press." >> chuck, good morning. >> let me start with a clip from your press conference that you held on wednesday. because i have a question on the other side, but i want to show it because it seemed unlike other events that you had held throughout the campaign. here it is. >> a culture exists within the cruz camp that would allow people to take advantage of a situation like this in a very dishonest way. >> well, i've said he's been lying because if you say something that isn't true and you say it over and over again and you know it's not true, there's no other word for it. >> you talk about people that lies, this is ted cruz. this is the biggest liar i've ever seen. >> that was going to be my second question, but i'm going to go there, you heard it there, three different candidates have accused you of being a liar. a third one out of three south
running the most untruthful campaign. has all of this hurt you? has it stuck? >> oh, listen, chuck, we saw with both donald trump and marco rubio that their response whenever you point to anything in their record is just to yell liar, liar, liar, and to get very personal and to make direct character attacks. and my approach from the very beginning of this campaign starting a year ago is that i will not respond in kind. i do not intend to insult any of the candidates. i will sing their praises. i'll sing donald's praises and marco's praises and everybody else's praises. but i'm going to keep the focus on substance and records. and there's a reason why they scream liar. because when you point to their own records, their ownoting records, their own words, they don't like their records because their records are inconsistent with what they're running on. you know, donald trump threatened to file a defamation suit against me for running a tv ad that consistented edconsisted almost entirely of his own words on television.
theory that's defamation to show people what he said on national tv. i think voters are smarter than that. >> senator, i'm going to play that press conference clip to you because to me contrasts from what you just said. here it is. >> donald has had a long career of using gret wealth and power trying to bully others. whenever anyone points to their actual record, the response of both donald trump and marco rubio is to yell the word liar. whenever anyone does as this ad does plays the actual words of donald trump on national television, his response is to yell louder. their strategy is simply to yell liar, liar, liar. >> you did an entire press conference. it was some 30 minutes on wednesday. you weren't talking about the issues that you normally do talk about on the trail. you weren't the happy warrior that you just described yourself as being. it seemed as if you allowed yourself to essentially let trump and rubio so get under your skin that you focused on
your own message. >> oh, listen, chuck, i was then and am now very much a happy warrior. very much joyful. that press conference was simply to discuss the facts, was laying out the actual facts. not engaging in character attacks myself, just putting out here are the facts, here are the evidence, and i noted, for example, that both of them were relying on fabrications. for example, donald trump tweeted out to the world a quote allegedly from senator tom coburn impugning my honesty. within hours he came out publicly and said that quote was an utter fabrication. i said it's really remarkable to see two candidates, trump and rubio, making things up and putting things out for which there is no evidence and no basis. but listen, chuck, the important thing is we had an incredible evening last night. last night what we saw happen in south carolina, particularly when you put iowa, new hampshire, south carolina together, two things have happened.
one strong conservative in this race who can win. and we see conservatives continuing to unite behind our campaign. but number two, for anyone who doesn't believe that donald trump is the best candidate to go head-to-head with hillary clinton in november, and that's about 70% of republicans nationwide who don't think donald trump is the right guy, our campaign is the only campaign that has beaten donald trump and that can be donald trump. so what we're seeing is we're seeing republicans coming to us in incredible numbers to go -- >> senator, wait a minute, you finished third in a state with the highest evangelical turnout that we've seen yet. and you finished third. that sort of doesn't support what you just said, that conservatives are coming together and rallying to your cause. >> so, chuck, our path to victory from the beginning was always do well in the first four states and then have a strong, strong night on super tuesday coming up on march 1st.
said we couldn't win, we won overwhelming victory in iowa. in new hampshire everyone in the press said a conservative couldn't do well in a moderate new england state. we won a strong third there. and then in south carolina we were effectively tied for second. a week ago donald was 20 points ahead, we closed that gap. and what we saw there there were a number of very encouraging things, for one thing, we won young people in south carolina. our campaign was in first place with young people. by the way, we won young people in iowa as well. and we were in second place with young people in new hampshire. one of the things we're seeing is young people who are optimistic who want a future, who want our constitutional rights, are coming to our campaign. and if you want to beat donald trump, you know, one of the clearest indications of who can beat trump is donald spends every waking moment attacking me. he doesn't attack other candidates because he e his campaign views us as the only real threat to him. and that's why we're seeing so many people come around and say, listen, we want a real conservative. we don't want a washington dealmaker who will support
and give into the cronyism of corporate welfare. >> quickly, are you going to beat donald trump in texas on march 1st? >> i certainly hope so. texas, i can't wait in a couple days to be home. >> must win, i take it? >> it will be wonderfulto sleep in my own bed. look, we hope we do well. i believe we will do well. we've got an amazing team in texas. i love texans and texas is clearly the crown jewel of super tuesday. we believe we're going to do very, very well in texas. and we're going to do very well across super tuesday. and we're headed right now in just an hour we're headed to nevada to go and work to earn votes there. >> well, speaking of the road to super tuesday, that's what i'm dealing with next. anyway, senator ted cruz, thanks for coming on. stay safe on the trail, sir. >> thanks, chuck. you too. when we come back, that proverbial road to super tuesday
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turbulent through now, wait until you see the next 23 days. first, the republicans head west to nevada on tuesday. democrats will go to south carolina next saturday. but it's march 1st where things get fascinating. the first of a couple of super tuesday. 14 contests that day. on the gop side the establishment favored marco rubio. he's going to be focusing in places like massachusetts, minnesota, virginia. ted cruz, he's going to be campaigning in the deep south s.e.c. states of alabama, arkansas, georgia. and of course he has got to win in his home state of texas. large evangelical populations he hopes make the difference in all those deep south states. but i'm watching tennessee very closely. i think this is going to be the swing state of super tuesday along with virginia where establishment candidates have won in the south over more conservative candidates. that's where rubio needs to beat trump. trump of course is going to be a factor everywhere as he's proven so far. for the democrats, we're looking already at hillary clinton shifting her focus to big states
bernie sanders, he's cherry picking states so far. he's outspending clinton in places like oklahoma, minnesota, colorado. and he's the only one on the air in massachusetts. but can he beat her in a bigger state? haven't seen it so far. moving down the road on march 5th could actually be a good day for both cruz and sanders. why? two of the states are caucus states, kansas and nebraska, which you see on the left. heavy for the bases there. while clinton will be focusing that day on louisiana. it's a primary with a large african-american electorate. shifting gears to the 8th, all eyes on michigan for the will be just as important as the delegates on the line, probably way. it is an open primary which means in michigan you don't have to be registered with a party to vote in either democrat or the republican side. good news potentially by the way for sanders and trump as well. and then just around the corner the oh big super tuesday of
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win florida, i think ted cruz will win his alamo in texas. i think a month from now we may be back here talking about an open convention because i think old rules apply. john kasich will win ohio as well. >> if this is a three-way race, you could see it in the exit poll in south carolina. let me put up some numbers. the candidate shares my values, ted cruz, the leading candidate. the candidate there to bring needed change, the leading candidate was donald trump. and the won that won in november, marco rubio. there's your split. trump's change, electability. >> the difference is that the trump number on change is so much larger than the lead that the other two have in their lanes. and that's going to be the challenge for those other two going forward. the other challenge for marco rubio this assumption that you're just going to get all those bush and kasich voters. you may, it's true if you add up all the new hampshire bush and kasich voters, all the south carolina bush and caykasich voters, give those to rubio, he wins.
one-on-one against donald trump and survive that. >> who gets to the one-on-one? marco rubio is the one guy that hasn't felt the wrath of trump yet. everybody else who has is either out of the race or severely damaged. ted cruz has been damaged. >> right. but marco rubio has felt the wrath of chris christie and prove he has a glass jaw. the question is going to be could he with stand a similar barrage from donald trump who is relentless in going after the people he thinks are a threat to him. in addition to that hugh says marco rubio will win florida, that isn't clear at this point that donald trump can't win there. >> i don't know it's clear that ted cruz is going to win texas by the way. >> it's not enough to keep winning second and third. at some point ted cruz has to win one, rubio has to win. >> speaking of firsts, his first win was supposed to come in your home state of nevada, mr. ralston. that's tuesday. >> donald trump is going to win nevada easily. it's a weird process in nevada. isn't everything a weird process
a tuesday night, different start times. turnout may be lucky to get to 10%. but hugh talks about old rules. you guys are talking about this math. there are no rules anymore. the old math doesn't work. nobody knows what's going to happen. i don't know why we're all afraid to say that, but right now who goes one-on-one with trump is the key question. it doesn't look like from your interviews or anything else -- they're not going to get out, right? as long as that exists and kasich and carson hanging around for a little while, as long as there are that many candidates trump will win every single race. >> hugh, you heard donald trump with me today, he does not stick to republican orthodox. this is always supposed to have been his downfall, maybe it's his strength. >> we have a debate on thursday night. it will be interesting to see how he handles the bush lie. that was his waterloo moment and the pope rescued him from that. >> i agree that's exactly what happened. >> so we will see on thursday night how he nuances that as he did with you. i believe he's the front-runner
he does represent a smashup of washington, d.c. he represents a total leveling of everything that people are angry about. and he has ivanka. i must say she was there last night and she is the generational bridge that he needs because marco rubio, the children of reagan line, is a good line. >> yeah. you know, when you're looking at this -- go ahead. >> no. i mean the only problem with the children of reagan line is it reminds you that he is the young candidate, right? so you have to be careful about using that. but look, i think you still have a problem here when you're going and you're looking not just that trump is winning, but he's voters. it's not just like he's got this one lane he only wins when there's low turnout, only wins conservatives, only wins in these kinds of states. he wins enough across a broad array array. >> i saw last night late deciders he got crushed among 40% of voters who were late deciders. early voters 60%. >> not only that but donald trump is actually doing what bernie sanders was billed as doing. he's bringing new voters into
>> look at the turnout in south carolina. >> exactly. he was actually doing that. he is accomplishing getting particular mr.ly white working class voters people angry at their own party, at republican party, and feel in the only other -- >> who does hillary want to run against? >> donald trump. >> you think? >> i don't think so anymore. >> he would be stronger than the democrats think. >> of the three i think cruz is the one -- and oddly it's the easier race for her in her mind. >> it's amazing watching your interview with trump is he's like the guy who thinks that every question is, okay, i asked you a question, now free associate. say whatever comes into your head. now he's sort of evolved on the health care question where he read the cliff notes like we did in school when we weren't quite prepared and he knows the issue of portability, someone taught him what health care savings accounts are. but clearly he can't get past the rock skipping across but it doesn't matter to his base. >> it has not mattered. no, it's been the message that matters.
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>> she says their names. >> trayvon martin shot to death. sandra brand did nothing wrong. >> and makes their mothers fight for justice her own. >> it was only nine months ago when asked about black lives matter hillary clinton said all lives matter. and now look where she is today. look at the rhetoric she's now adopting from bernie sanders. you can't say she's not evolving as a candidate. and boy is she trying very hard to move to where the democratic base is. >> you recalled a couple months ago she met with a lot of the mothers in chicago. she has the endorsement of some of the moms. bernie sanders i think has one or two of the family members too. i'm a little uncomfortable with using the families of these dead children in this way. both of them have. both sanders and hillary clinton are now trying to invoke the memories and use the family members of these young people in their campaign. >> do you think it's too crass? >> it makes me uncomfortable. i do have to say hillary clinton understands fundamentally that
african-americans. full stop. in nevada it was a 72% rout with african-americans that carried her over the top. south carolina, she will be saved by african-americans over age 50. and not even just all african-americans but african-americans of a certain age, right, over 50. and she knows that that is what she needs. >> look at the next 12 states on the nktdemocratic side. it's something like 7 of the 12 have an african-american electorate percentage of 30% or more. >> right. >> i mean, this is -- joy's right, this is -- >> she is exactly right. >> may come across as crass but that's what she's doing. >> in the generational divide you're exactly right doesn't hurt as much because, yes, she doesn't do as well with younger voters voters. but she doesn't need to. in nevada she lost over 25-year-olds by a tremendous margin, she picked up over 45-year-olds who make up a bigger part of the electorate and they will in south carolina as well. >> harry reid the most valuable player -- is harry reid going to be known as the person who saved hillary clinton's nomination?
and having come back to the state he saw what was happening in the state. he saw the internal polls. clinton was hemorrhaging. she went from a 25 point lead down to 9 after new hampshire. it was neck and neck. harry reid said i got to do something. he called up the head of the culinary union. they were being wall flowers said you got to get these folks out to vote, heavily latino they knew they would go for clinton. he did that with other unions too by the way, chuck. not just with the culinary union. but what joy is talking about the african-american vote is forgotten because we talk so much about the latino vote. >> it's about half of the non-white vote. not just hispanic. >> the fact she got three-quarters of that vote. she had every african elected official except maybe one or two in her corner campaigning for her. but harry reid is the guy. >> hugh, now that it looks like hillary clinton is back to being the favorite for the nomination and suddenly it is hillary clinton standing there as the boogie person for the republican
republican voter calculus or no? >> it does. >> changing your calculus, but -- >> the former secretary of state is the nominee. she is also the willie sutton of classified data. and there's going to be a long-term effort of republicans whether it's donald trump, marco rubio or ted cruz to paint her into the corner. they had another release of data on friday. there's one more coming. she is a tremendously flawed candidate. >> she loses all the trust questions to sanders. that has been a fact. her now sitting there as the threat where no longer it's like, oh, my god, maybe sanders will win. does that change the way voters think in the republican primary? >> i think it does. i think voters are very sophisticate and had strategic, they know she can be beaten. they'll look at donald trump, marco rubio, ted cruz, maybe john kasich, who can beat her, what's the best match up. i think that's what's going to work on super tuesday. >> we'll see. it's what the republican establishment hope the voters think. they haven't been right yet.
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biggest spender in iowa, one delegate delegate, biggest spender in new hampshire, got three delegates and the biggest spender in south carolina. nothing symbolically represents the establishment's downfall so far than this does it, hugh? >> no, it's because he's such a good man and the roles have changed so dramatically. the rules are completely different. they're not the jeb bush rules of the '90s. they are the reality television rules of this decade and he was not suited for it. >> joy, this is a conservative governor. this is arguably his record as governor is more conservative than any current republican governor. >> more so than kasich. >> how did he get painted the moderate? >> well, i think because jeb bush theory of the case is he would be painted as the grown-up. his theory would be that the party would go to somebody perhaps sarah palin, perhaps another gaffe like candidate and the party would come to him. number one, that lane is so fragmented between establishment candidates. and by the way having lived fl edd in florida, jeb bush has never been that great of a politician.
luck.ni torched his own campaign in '94. weak opponent in '98. benefitted from the clinton boom and out before the bush buzz. >> it's funny how history gets rewritten. she's right. that's now how the history of jeb bush is going to be rewritten. it could have been a different version of the same events. >> but it was very clear long before donald trump got in this race when you would talk to republicans the number one concern they had about jeb bush is whether he was too rusty for this and whether he was going to be strong enough to stand up to hillary clinton. the bush folks thought money would help paper that over, remind people of his conservative record, but when he went on the debate stage and totally flubed it and came on the shows and couldn't answer questions about iraq and he looked like he was unsteady, it absolutely solidified the concerns they had had all along about his skills. >> you used the right word, strong. this is the election about strength. donald trump looks strong to republican voters. jeb bush anyone who's been around him he's a substantive guy, he was a conservative governor but he doesn't project well.
he was the wrong guy at the wrong time for this election. they want donald trump who's going to say what they want to hear. jeb bush, they don't want to hear his policy prescriptions and hear the way he talks. >> that money number i put up, all those money things, hugh, doesn't that support what jon said earlier is there are no rules? guess whose name wasn't on any of the top three? donald trump. >> i will say one thing has changed dramatically which is the supreme court vacancy and it will reshape the vase on my side because i'd rather lose an election than lose the supreme court. so i think going forward this is the narrative changer. and i don't know how the candidates respond to this. >> if you lose the election, you lose the court. >> i know. >> it's worth -- i hear you. i got to leave it there. what an amazing all primaries need to be saturday. we'll be back next sunday at
sunday, it's "meet the press." it's monday, february 22nd. coming up on "early today," breaking overnight. camille cosby forced to testify. the last-minute bid to stop today's deposition related to sexual-assault allegations against husband bill cosby. super tuesday a week away, the shrinking field pass the candidates spinning as they shore up support and money. a prayer vigil 24 hours rampage.
the coolest move and closest finish in daytona 500 history. the ultimate battle of wits and endurance. chess like you've never played it before. and one of the coolest white house meetings ever. "early today" starts right now. i'm dara brown. breaking overnight, overruled. camille cosby, wife of bill cosby, is being forced to testify under oath later this morning. late sunday night a massachusetts federal judge denied an emergency motion to delay the deposition of bill cosby's wife. compelling her to answer questions related to sexual husband. this is the latest of several motions lawyers for mrs. cosby have lost seeking to dismiss demands she be deposed in the civil case against her husband in which seven women claim he defamed them by denying their sexual assault allegations. mr. cosby has repeatedly denied the allegations made by dozens