the question is this -- if west or who was behind will show interest create this -- that took a kay gadhafi out of the power which nobody wanted the stupid guy, don't get me wrong, but the mess is, because of that, because more problem in libya and more problem of western africa, the question is who benefitses with this? is it the people of africa and the financing and the -- finance both of the world and of course, and turkey and you can use iran and iraq, syria, afghanistan, and we get more and the bottom line is america has a better position today as the influence in the middle east with the 1 million or half a million soldiers in north africa and the middle east compared to 20 years ago, which has more influence? >> that's a good question. i'm trying to make my answer short, but the fact is that nearly two years ago now there was a man in tunisia who was a college graduate and who was selling veng tanl vegetables and he burned himself to death and that lit a fire that will not go out. it will not be confined to the middle east and so the arab spring in my view is misnamed because vladim