cohen said perfectly, i think, the trial run in 2008 with georgia, i think the bucharest summit where we needed to make clear on enlargement we failed. in ukraine i think we're seeing the mistakes with georgia and hopefully those are not happen with macedonia. but i do want to know last month 40 members of congress sent a letter to kerry urging clear support for integration for macedonia, a partnership for peace with kosovo. where do you see the u.s. position on this in light of the nato summit? will we see a clear decision on nato end largement? -- enlargement? >> well, panelists, that was a wonderful array of questions. so i think, gideon, if you're ready, i think we'll just work our way down the line. >> okay. well, lots of questions, i'll try and answer as many of them as i can. on the question that was asked -- [inaudible] does nato need a new role, i guess they're beginning to look at their new role as their old role. it comes back to the question of how do you deal with russia. nato enlargement, i think people will be very cautious about that in the current mood because we're s

we had a long meeting in bucharest, romania, at the end of the day we decided not to give a plan to georgia and ukraine but made it clear they'll be in nato. it will take some diplomacy. my guess is we'll come up with a series of measures we can take. but there are other things we can take besides -- >> hold on. carl, based on what you heard from your german sources, is germany going to stay away from what the president might like to see, a unified european nato sanctions effort against the russians. >> reporter: there seems to be little question they won't go along with syria sanctions that have real bite. at the same time the germans want a unanimous position of nato, of the allies because the germens think that what putin has done here is terrible. also there's a personal aspect of this that angela merkel despises putin even though they talk a lot and they talk in russian and they talk in german, putin was the head of the kgb in dresden under the old soviet union. he has done things to angela merkel in terms of their dialogue that she just hates. and she feels taken advantage of, her cou