then they had put the system in place for next year's world cup, which is still being held in moscow next summer. this was not going to stop. this was going to continue. grigory had reached -- as he said -- its logical conclusion, and he wanted to bring the story to the world. charlie: take a look at this, clip number two. they discuss the growing concerns about russian knowledge. here it is. >> there is a top-level decision, you know who i mean, and the big boss, vladimir putin thinks, to show the best result in sochi. we must show others who we are. we could make him do one month. decided to use them during sochi. >> through the competition, so they could be at the very top level? >> right. >> vladimir putin? >> instead of using the science, the science you developed to get around the system, you abandoned the science? >> most important, yes. and gentlemen, let me be clear that 126 sessions with the international olympic committee is open. charlie: call to me about what you did in wanting to go through this expanding yourself. guest: i wanted to go through it for many reasons. as a

he is at the time running the third-largest anti-doping laboratory in the world, which is the moscow lab, which had overseen all the testing for the sochi olympics, but was also overseeing testing of all russian athletes across all sports and all international athletes coming to russia to compete. so i began working with gregory. shortly thereafter there is an investigation launched based on this television documentary. that is basically december 2014 to november 2015 and during this year, gregory is under investigation, but i keep going on with my film and gregory is helping to advise me. november 2015, a report comes out based on this investigation and it is now alleging that gregory is essentially the mastermind of the state-sponsored doping program. at the time, it is still only mandated -- the investigation is only onto track and field. this creates a series of events. the lab is shut down. gregory is forced to resign. russia is suspended from world track and field. gregory is basically telling me that he is going to be killed by the russian government, and i helped facilitate h

he accused congress of being responsible for the damaged relationship with moscow. he attacked the intelligence community. how does an executive like that expect to engender loyalty across the administration when he is constantly pointing fingers and putting blame and criticism in all directions? >> i agree as a practical matter it is sort of the inevitability of what you are describing, constant attacks including on the intelligence community which are damaging. it is inevitable this kind of thing will happen. it does not make it right that a public servant in the intelligence community or anywhere else takes this kind of action in response. the president is allowed to criticize whoever he wants to criticize, including his own government. it does not make it ok for officials to release it. the long-term implications are extremely damaging. >> there is additional value for us at "the washington post" because when we published our story earlier in the year as characterizing the conversation with turnbull as acrimonious, trump the next day denounced the story as fake