is piling up. when the harvey weinstein victims speaking out and talking about their experiences. in this case, there is a big problem with congress and all interviews i have done, it is clear that sexual harassment is an occupational hazard. there is a system put in place and does not want people to come forward. >> the system is so slanted for the women and the men to come forward. is anybody changing the system that provides counsel to politicians but not to the person that's coming forward. so there is two bills both in the house and senate that's going to be introduced shortly. she and another senator are essentially channelling se systematic change. they want the office to be different. the republican congressman yesterday during the hearing at the house of administration had where he said the u.s. treasury should not be paying these settlements. you have republicans and democrats saying there needs to be a complete overall of the system. a lot of people say it is taking way too long and most people trying to file a complaint up to three months long and congressman had to work

different category. how do we categorize? how do we categorize in the world of harvey weinstein, charlie rose, mark on our show. >> al franken. >> louis c.k.? >> do we put them in categories? all the men should be gone? >> all the men. >> do we want to hear from them because my concern has been that there are some men that do want to come forward and -- and admit to their failings, do we want to hear that? >> i don't know. i don't know, actually, that we want to hear that. what we need to talk about is power and we need to talk about abuse of power and we really need to try to distinguish between situations where the man had the power and abused it and i think the way that i think of the weinstein stories for example, they're stories of hostage taking -- >> that's a different category. >> they couldn't leave and even -- even if they went up to get their oscars, they knew they came tainted, they came tainted with the sexual abuse, they came tainted to the silence to which they had acquiesced. i don't think that when we're talking about al franken we're talking about power. >> and yet when

weinstein stories included, no one said, if they're true. >> that's exactly the question, nicole. the question isn't posed to senators, do you believe the allegations? the question ought to be posed, do you believe these women? that's the question? >> four women put their name on a story 30 years later with absolutely nothing to gain. >> susan, the reaction from the moore campaign is instructive. we heard, we will get into it with local alabama republicans, which is consider the source. this is the liberal media, instead of considering the allegations, consider who is presents these allegations in the wall poshington post. >> the question is do you believe these women, as nicole said, they put their names out there. the other question of course is what else will we see in the next couple of weeks, this type of thing as we saw in the weinstein, more women tend to come out. so it will be an avalanche thing. i think at this point it's up to mitch mcconnell to say i'm no longer putting funding into this race until we see, you know, if he wants to do the wait and see report, at least he ca

happening now. we saw the same thing in the harvey weinstein case. why this is happening is because journalists and, might i also add, female journalists, who went to these women and decrcre this had safe space for them to go ahead and tell their stories and to do it in a way that the evidence was so overwhelming, they corroborated also time and place. for example, with leigh corfman, that she actually was at the courthouse for a child custody hearing at the time that this happened. it is also the fact that these women are being given a safe space by other female journalists to come forward and tell their story, which is what also happened in the case of the harvey weinstein stories coming out. >> you know, nicole, john mentioned earlier that, you know, if you're a cop and you're interrogating roy moore the way that sean hannity interrogated roy moore. if you have a guy like roy moore in the box, in the sbrogs room and talked like he spoke to sean hannity you're thinking one thing looking at him across the table, there's more to come from this creep. >> exactly. to pick up heidi's p

flattening of people that i won't say the website, but they put up pictures of harvey weinstein and al franken next to each other. >> actually, "the new york times" biusiness. >> i'm just saying that you're having more and more women talking about this unnatural flattening of these accusations. lumping everybody into one place, and saying it's a public death penalty for all. that's -- to say that nuance has been lacking in some of the discussions and headlines would be an understatement. >> at the same time, it's very difficult to have the conversation because if you step out of or if you try and add nuance to it, usually the reaction is so severe that people run to their corners, heidi, and assume that you're taking a side instead of trying to pick apart what is a very complicated problem at times it's clear predator behavior. at times somebody has an issue or a condition. at times women feel that they absolutely have no part in this at all. and i just said that. that's all i said. i'm not taking a side here. and i don't think we're looking at the whole problem when we do this. >> i t

brought down, harvey weinstein, there are cases where the predator flourished and continued to be the president of the united states. i'm talking about bill clinton, where the women were attacked, where they were settled with and their lives were ruined, monica lewinsky and forever stamped with a scarlet letter. you know, this is what we have been dealing with on both sides of the aisle. what's the goal? we have a friend of the show who is no longer on this show because of his behavior that he admit itself and he apologizes for al franken apologizes. i'm not being ideological or siding with anybody. i believe the women. but what are we doing with these apologies? >> the ultimate goal, do we accept the first thing and that's what the settlements were originally about, scare people, men into not having the behavior. >> they end up feeling victimized, their voices were taken away and non-disclosures are a way of victimizing women who do we want? >> now we're into the next step. we want women to speak out so men know that we're going to speak out and they will not behave that way and foll

same boat, should his picture be on the same graphic with harvey weinstein who now we know is a serial predator, should they both be thrown off the stage and the answer i've gotten from most women is, no. >> right. >> to your point, mika, that does not excuse the first behavior. >> they're all bad. >> it's gross, if somebody did it i would report it. do i think he's a pariah and should have his life ruined thrown out. i'm not talking al franken. i'm talking the degrees of sexual harassment and assault we have been talking about. >> we had an honest conversation where one man said what every man knows, that is the way they treated women 20 and 30 years ago is completely different than the way they react around women now, behaviors have changed, have evolved in a positive direction. eugene robinson, there are some really big questions here, though, i'm going to go to the media story, because i really think that if we will have an honest conversation, we got to talk about it, ourselves. this charlie rose story is horrible. my dad played tennis with charlie rose, i picked up the ten

saw if previous instances, like with harvey weinstein, bill cosby, one woman comes forward. it gives women the courage to come forward. it starts to paint a narrative where you have not just the women but the entire community in this case where you had people saying he was showing up at the mall and they're flagging him. so i think at some point the leadership there in alabama, the governor, they are paying attention to these polls and they are the only ones who have the power. not the national party, to call another election. i think within it becomes clear to them that the results of this, of not taking some type of action would, by default, mean that the democrat wins, because even here, you are splitting the ticket and even if you disregard these polls, the democrat would still have a better chance of winning. >> and the moore campaign is asking the public and voters and everyone to disbelieve a growing list of accusers now, as you say, it's like bill cosby or harvey weinstein, we see, how many women will you believe this has happened? two, five, ten, 50, 100 as it did for

sharing and discussing rumors, so whether it's harvey weinstein or roy moore, you know, this is a moment when a lot of this stuff is erupting in a way that it had been spoken about and hushed rumors before, now it's coming to the forefront. i don't look at this as this is some massive research failure, certainly it would have been better for republicans to have known this and brought it up in the primary, thank goodness you had cory gardner who said if this man wins, he should not be seated in the senate. the way so many people played footsie and fast and loose with what their values are and what is right in order for political campaign in the last years or two has been disheartening for me, watching somebody like senator gardner stand up and say, absolutely not was a bright light in a political world of darkness. >> i understand, womanly what kristen is saying about the whispers against a serial assault, as in this case, though, again, when you have cops and other people saying, i don't, area, he was banned from going to the gasden small. when those were running for supreme court back i