vice president of strategy andrew williams and it's a private company owned by its employees as i say is about 100000 shareholders and to me as someone that's come to this company i think it's extraordinary the benefits of running an organization like that because people don't necessarily just pick up their paycheck at the end of the week of the end of the month they have a real vested interest in the commercial success and the quality of the products and services that the company produces and the latest allegations against wall way the wall street journal reported while we technicians in at least 2 cases personally helped african governments spy on their political opponents unnamed senior surveillance officers said it was always employees received help from the offices in wally's headquarters uganda's top digital supplier while we were a few did the claim and said they'd never been engaged in such hacking activities we have neither the contracts nor the capabilities to do so you really have to check everything assume nothing. and trust almost nobody and that's the process in the