the foreign intervention in syria will russia is in general pretty cautious of the woods in syria you know you think this is because the total use the naval base that russia is afraid to lose do you think that if assad's regime will fall this will mean for russia. a loss of a partner and a loss of a naval base its own borders and for russia to understand to stick on this side in the right his side of history we don't want actually there are sort of flags to be burned in damascus the mass of course to be friendly sequin off the russian of flags and this is why there are government has to understand this message actually this is why we came here for four thing starts for the russian officials first of all that we have a shared invitations why then mr maher get off and other russian officials and this is actually it's a good beginning to pull hard to china with this year in opposition and they we we need to emphasize about the historical relationship between syria and russia syria has a large community in russia and russia has a large community in the maya in syria and these this is kind

nato has no intention whatsoever to intervene in syria feline says the secretary general of time stopped for assurances in an interview to ardsley even as the u.n. security council debates a resolution against the syrian government. nato is challenging its members to join the air bombardments of colonel gadhafi in libya and moscow for peace talks. and the use of an atom drug to execute death row inmates in the u.s. could actually mean torturing them to track. down the narrowing trade gap in the u.s. is creating a positive sentiment around the globe helping russian markets post gainsborough flood session in a row born that's not business but isn't what. it's seven pm in moscow this is arjun coming to you live with me and he's now a our top story this hour the syrian regime is under pressure on two fronts the u.n. nuclear watchdog is looking into its alleged nuclear activities and the security council is considering a resolution condemning the crackdown on anti-government protesters but so far russia has effectively been blocking that proposal put forward by france and britain parties were

way is five million and syria has no history of civil war syria actually in nineteen back in the fifty's their prime minister was as actually christian and been supported even though out there at that time there were four members in the muslim brotherhood and they said boy to christian to be prime minister syria has such kind of for addition and still we remain there c.m. which is their right of their monitors will be respected and they are their unity among their people and this is their main concern that even though there she is as you know regime now playing on this exterior and violence and you playing on that to stand by our and to survive but but actually we believe the wisdom of the syrians who are actually taking the arrives at risk at least will it would channel . and will the right of the people will prevail at the end do you think that president assad has to do he still does her have genuine support among the population without rushing started in doubt on so bored i it's not like it has no history in there and raised like in the kurdish areas or like how much in it we were act

syria that's ruled by the rule of the people and a peaceful syria a place where the syrian people can express their political views and have economic opportunities because the rule of thumb has been that he's for democracy still see conflict with one another so yes absolutely. we would like to see a democratically fully really democratic syrian republic is no question about that the only question is will that happen one falls and that's not at all clear ok go ahead in line and go ahead well you know i just like the way you ask of the month that has become the sort of standard one in this revolution that syria is not libya is not. is not egypt and then and then you have. somebody saying jordan is not is not syria is not libya everybody is saying we're not we're not we're not but the question is the bottom line is that every single country is completely different and you cannot compare and any of them but once the idea of these regimes continuing has fallen once the line has been crossed in which there is no more return from iraq then it's a matter of time of course and ambiguous statem

chanting going to syria to a t. of daraa his hometown this is why he was in china in china and himself how can i open fire on the people actually they are calling consider that if you mind my hometown don and this is why the dilemma i won't call the soldiers and i was the officers in this syrian army it's that they see an army it's only the whole division which is the most loyal one to bashar and i said this for division and not so good vision off my head and i said the brother of bashar i said make it making this huge and on and invading it many cities and whining this it is but other other other divisions and unit is in the army is not supportive of that said and now there is a lot of the friction among the army so we're not talking about internet confessionals one sensitive now and no this is it's a it is not that he is making here who needs the allawi it doesn't matter as i told you that this uprising crossed that yes ok thank you thank you very much and just a reminder that my guest here on the show was rather

and its western allies believe that syria is attempting to build construct. a structure in the area that that i and specters want to go to to build possibly nuclear weapons this is what is going to be discussed in the security council now if resolution once a resolution is proposed if it is adopted syria could be slapped with sanctions obviously this is a lot of political pressure that is being placed upon syria by the u.s. and its western allies and so at this point we should mention that there was only seventeen states voted yes to push this through from the i.a.e.a. to the security council there were six knows including china and russia eleven its abstentions so we see that there is a divide here by the u.s. and its european allies are are having its way in putting this through to the u.n. consultations are continuing behind closed doors security council members who can introduce a draft resolution that has been co-sponsored by france germany and portugal that calls for an international condemnation of the syrian government. down of anti-government protest

leader you know for the developments in syria who. might say. those guys were really about.

dealing with syria. well recently foreign minister sergei lavrov has spoken with journalists reiterating the russian federation stance that any. restructuring of the government in syria needs to be wholly undertaken by the syrian people and since saying sincerely that russia will continue to disagree with submitting the syrian issue to the un security council now he says this especially in light of the escalation of the libyan issue where he says the nato actions in libya are exceeding the framework designed by the security council so in light of that and many times it's been said by president rid of and other russian officials that the problems in syria need to be left to syria and russia will not be partnering with any foreign governments to intervene there because you thanks very much indeed lindsey for reporting there in brussels thanks for that update and the middle east expert and blogger shero joins me know he's joining us live from london thanks very much indeed for being with us here in our team

protest in syria is brutally repressed by security forces. demonstrators are shot, beaten, and killed. in the absence of free media, such videos made by the protesters themselves are the only evidence of what the syrians are going through. but confirmed the authenticity is difficult, and reports are contradicted by the syrian government and its own media. syrian state television broadcasts its view as well, from reports of brutal demonstrators to extensive footage of dead soldiers. it shows detained opposition member is giving concessions. the government says the unrest is caused by foreign powers that want to destabilize the country. many syrians did not know which side to believe. opposition supporters are having difficulty telling their stories. many have fled abroad. this person says his city is pure hell. two weeks ago he escaped to be rude, but he believed -- he escaped to be rude, but he believes that syrian intelligence agencies are there as well. >> they bt andortured at 10 days in jail. they arrested 4000 people, except for 500 peop

syria is an important toehold in the region. damascus is a vital ally against israel along with lebanon in gaza. iran is supporting a sock in his fight against his own people with weapons and know-how. -- iran's supporting president assad in his fight against his own people. earliethis month, tens of thousands of people took par in a demonstrators tossed in a demonstration, the largest number since it began. -- tens of thousands of people took part in a demonstration, the largest number since it began. >> syria has been wracked by military coups. parliamentary institutions have been weak. when the father of bashar al- assad gave up power -- seized power, pro-democracy activists began leaving the country in droves. many of them found asylum in britain which is now home to a large exile community of syrians would like to see their home country become a democracy. what's down with the -- >> down with the assad regime is the chant outside of the syrian embassy. >> they will do anything to shut our mouths. and we don't have weapons.

syria. going to be the get this resolution through at. the end of the day this resolution cannot get through the security council without the approval of china and russia because they are both veto wielding members of the security council and as you mentioned both countries have said that they do not believe that security council should get involved in what is taking place in syria that it would be better for for the united nations of the security council to use more diplomatic measures and of course this in the aftermath of the resolution that was adopted against libya russia china many other countries have expressed concerns of the fact that the u.s. and its western allies over extended what was written. allowed in resolution of libya so we even heard a russian foreign minister sergei lavrov say in recent days that he believes that the international community should act diplomatically and swiftly but not harshly against syria take a listen. to this is because when you're. to do proposal to

resolution on syria which is being heavily pushed right now by the u.k. and from. russia's envoy to libya says it's clear posted duffy's government and opposition seek talking not fighting as the only way to end the country's civil war . and britain's growing atomic appetite needs experts to worry over a possible nuclear nightmare in which terrorist target the country's energy facility. also in our business bulletin twenty minutes time for oil is up more than two dollars per barrel as opec believes production process has a. very good evening from r.t. it's nine pm in moscow this wednesday night my name's kevin and first for you france and britain are planning to put forward a draft resolution to the u.n. security council later wednesday condemning the syria's government crackdown on demonstrations the u.k.'s prime minister announced the move in response to months of violence unrest against president assad's rule well our correspondent report now is across all this in new york for us. can you break down for us what's actually going to be happening there the security

and syria always had relations syria was on the list of countries that supported terrorism has had sanctions over the years so i don't think it's anything underhanded i think it's quite straightforward but to a certain extent the u.s. would like to see would like to take the opportunity to be able to kind of weaken and. what would happen though if the regime to collapse in syria i mean that that would cause chaos throughout the middle east region would be in syria more important geopolitically them than libya and in fact if it did fall like the west as you say wants it to surely that even more problems for the west. if it falls in the same way as it did in iraq that is foreign intervention destroying the country then you can see it plunging into it into a kind of civil war that we saw another one but on a much bigger scale putting pressure against muslim not allowing gays and so on although all the religious sects against each other but the truth is the something else going on in syria which is there is this popular movement or cultural revolution authorize and which. allowed i think to deve

the reality is, fareed, there is trouble in syria. syria is divided. there are protests in syria. the protests are not as thick and large as the protests that we have seen in many parts of the middle east, particularly in yemen, tunisia and egypt. they're isolated. you're talking about thousands of protesters as opposed to tens of thousands or hundreds of thousands. we can explain why. you have multiple factors, many factors that explain the lack of the huge crowds that we have not seen in syria today. >> fascinating account, fawaz, of a syria that perhaps will endure, the regime will endure. but weaken with lower-intensity conflict and the loss of a very crucial ally in turkey. thank you. we will be right back. >> let me ask this simply. who is the good guy in this fact? the mullahs or ahmadinejad? >> the simple answer is none of them. ♪ could that have also inspired its 556 horsepower supercharged engine? ♪ the all-new cadillac cts-v coupe. we don't just make luxury cars, we make cadillacs. her morning begins with arthritis pain. that's a coffee and two pills. the afternoon

nuclear watchdog is bearing down hard in syria so what can we expect now. well right now at this point what will happen next is the u.n. security council will take this issue and now we have to remember that syria is being accused by the u.s. and its western allies of not complying with inspectors from the international atomic energy agency that want to go in visit a structure in its north east region now this alleged structure in syria we have to underscore here was destroyed by israel in two thousand and seven and before that syria maintained that it was being used for no kind of threat purposes it was it was maintained under the rules by the nonproliferation treaty which syria is a part of according to what's been reported the u.s. and its western allies believe that syria is attempting to build construct a covert. structure in the area that. specter's want to go to to build possibly nuclear weapons this is what is going to be discussed in the security council now if a resolution once a resolution is proposed if it is adopted syria could be slapped with

now he sneaks between turkey and syria. i wanted to help the families crossing, he says, and the wounded, and just to help the people that are on the border to make a small difference. at the syrian side of the border is a small makeshift camp close to an unofficial crossing. mohammed films people as they take their final steps to safety. capturing moments like this. a woman wailing, my children, my children. all the people are my children. before imploring god to save them. he shows us the dismal life inside the camp. people living in group tents. washing in the small river. most of these people choose not to cross into turkey because they were separated from family members and the chaos as they fled. they feel forced to stay there, muhammad explains to, keep getting news about syria. they're afraid if they cross into turkey they'll be cut off, not knowing the their loved ones were killed or detained. there are wounded here too after clashes in a nearby town. this man came last saturday, muhammad tells us. he was wounded i

now syria is a much, much different picture. tonight, i'll take a close look at where the arab spring went wrong as the threat of outright war hangs over a region, that at least for a moment thought change was coming. more in just a moment. but, first, a look at the other stories that we're covering tonight. mitt romney made it official. he's running for president but with sarah palin's bus tour in new hampshire, will anybody notice? and today the only muslim in congress made a vow. >> the world will not forget for liberty and justice and for the people of syria. >> earlier he had urged the world to go into libya. where do we draw the line. then moammar gadhafi and goldman sachs, a marriage made in heaven or in hell? i'll ask matt what happened when libya's dictator mate the deal kings of wall street. >>> syria and the story that we've been closely following over the past few nights. the 13-year-old boy who was tortured and murdered. his brutal death has em bol denned anti-government protesters and has become a rallying cry. now

bloodbath in syria as all of these groups the kurds but it will in all of these groups in syria make me battle it out and look after their own interests and that would of course be quite a tragic outcome should that actually come to pass then and to. yemen yes then because i just wanted to ask my friend in tel aviv would would do would be happy to see a functioning democracy in in syria because that's what you have said you know when you refer to the devil then your is the devil who calls all rules you know that country you know where that could could be it could be kept under control the way he likes but not the way of the people of the country like so would a functioning democracy be in or alter. for the israelis if you want to reply that they are close to this is a great question pli for your call that. replied i'm like yeah like you i would like to see first happy to report that there is nothing there's nothing that israel would like to see more than a fully democratic syria syria that's ruled by the rule of the people and a peaceful syria a place where the syrian people can expr

a troll has no intention whatsoever to intervene in syria the alliances secretary general attempts to offer assurances in an interview to war even as the un security council debates a resolution against the syrian government. america's secret bombardment of suspected militant targets in yemen is that point tracking the critics say it's just a poverty it's a healthy u.s. ally cling to power. and the use of an ample drug to execute death row inmates in the u.s. could actually be torturing them to death. eleven pm here in moscow you're watching r t welcome to the program out of our top story the syrian regime is under pressure on two fronts the you want to talk to watch dog has decided to report it to the security council over its alleged nuclear program while the council is already considering a resolution condemning the crackdown on anti-government protesters but so far russia's effectively blocking that proposal spearheaded by france and britain are putting a port my is across the latest of politicians. but this what will happen next the u.n. security council will take up this issue n

you know, every intelligence service in the world has been presented in beirut and syria, syria certainly has been a dominant one. they have for many years. the ties of family and business are strong and they are not going to be dissolved by a change of regime. so they still have a role to play there, and god willing it will be a responsible one that we will see the area itself, the region as a whole start to move atlas towards a general peace. do you think hezbollah could survive a general peace? >> guest: hezbollah would survive? >> host: a general peace agreement? >> guest: hezbollah would resist a general peace agreement. it is hard to say, if there was a new sirri and government signing a new peace treaty with israel and be there implicitly or explicitly gave the lebanese government the option to sign a peace treaty with israel, hezbollah would probably do anything it could to make that piece not viable but it would also have serious difficulty convincing other lebanese people that it should be supported in this because like we mentioned earlier, one reason that hezbollah has some su

syria belongs to the syrians. syria does not belong to the assad family. they should have been stopped. it is in us. the syrians would never accept that. >> do people acknowledge that president aside -- assad has support in certain quarters, perhaps concentrated in the army, a powerful institution? >> i could not talk to the army or any of the elite who think along the lines of the president. one thing i did ask people is that up until now it has been thought that at least assad did guarantee some form of stability for the country. so the community were in support of him. but many people and spoke to in the business community said that is gone. there is so much corruption. the country cannot develop. it cannot move until this problem is solved. it can only be solved by the regime going. >> did you see any evidence or hear people talking about defections from the army to the protests? >> i was in lebanon after a went to syria and met a defecting soldiers. there are dozens. not hundreds yet. he said he was instructed to fire indiscriminately by his commandin

. >> trouble in syria means trouble in the region. president assaad is using force and spreading fear. while people continue to demonstrate, he is not winning. >> in libya moron 20 people are reported dead as troops loyal to colonel gaddafi launch an assault on misrata. >> sarah palin, tens of thousands of e-mails released when she was governor of alaska. >> coming up later for you. a call for more money to help immunize the world's poorest children. we have a special report. >> hello and welcome. the military crackdown in syria is intensifying with government forces reported to have killed at least 28 people on friday. tanks have swept into a town where the government claims 120 soldiers were killed earlier this week. the town is close to syria's border with turkey, and thousands of refugees have already crossed the border. our middle east editor reports. >> an apprehensive groove of syrians, some waving olive branches approached the border with turkey. they fear this could be the start of a much bigger exodus. here at the edge of sy

the death toll rises and syria. thousands poured across the border to escape the crackdown that showns -- shows no sign of easing. >> while people continue to demonstrate, president assad is not winning. >> afghanistan's president arrives in pakistan but a warm welcome glosses over a troubled relationship. giving the children of africa a fighting chance. in the poorest countries, all it takes is a single vaccine. the richest countries foot the bill? it is not easy to get a clear picture of what is happening inside of syria today because foreign journalists are banned. security forces are cracking down on demonstrators with growing ferocity. dozens of protesters have been killed. thousands of people have fled into turkey. they bring with them tales of fear and repression. the middle east editor is there and he filed this report. >> and apprehensive group of syrians, some waving olive branches approach the border with turkey. the turks have an observation post in the valley. they say this could be the start of a bigge

syria. in addition syria's been accused by the international atomic watch talk of building a covert nuclear reactor and failing to supply necessary information about it syria insists it's a non-nuclear military site but the agency is demanding more evidence and threatening sanctions some critics believe washington and allies are using the allegations as a tool for regime change in the country now that the syrian regime is under fire this. file has to be opened so that the international community the u.s. gets the u.n. and the way to accuse syria of violating international law so they can take the matter to this community council so that we can apply more pressure just yet again . on the international institutions for political objectives whether it's a guy or whether it's this cutie council this is what the u.s. is doing this is a building which has been inspected by the. time and number of times but they're not they want to have. this it is outdoing they told them a number of times that thi

i hope to get to syria and try to see the picture from that side as well. but you have written a very vivid account of what it means to live and survive in terrific violence and almost mindless hostilities towards each other, just go ahead and shoot, and somehow that will bring u.s. side. did you feel that? >> lebanon is a dark tragic place and there are unfortunately a large number of people who think they're going to make their lives better by shooting at their neighbors. it doesn't work correctly. it never does. the civil war law for 15 years. it's hard to keep track of all the different factions even though i've been going to lebanon for years and have written a book about the place like world war i and nobody wanted to beat nobody accomplished much of anything. the ex-president of the great quote about this i can quote him precisely but it's something that he said everybody is against everyone and we keep going around and around in circles about anything being accomplished and nobody winning. and i think most lebanese people what this point have intern

a cost of military intervention in syria would be. why would the cost of military intervention in syria be far greater. because. it is. much stronger. than the biggest i mean we've had bigger population. would not be such an easy play is maybe i was so i don't let's let's talk. the ongoing unrest in syria is a possible i know conspiracy theorists have a field day with this but is it possible there's a hidden agenda and the u.s. and its allies are pursuing something in syria using the unrest to their advantage . because i don't see much of. these. because of perjury or probably. they're just. very. you. know very. good maybe are. they. if i may just interrupt you for a moment i'm sort of saying there's a lot of enthusiasm for the western powers to get involved in syria but i mean look at look at libya libya is the seventeenth biggest producer of all in the world it supplies at least three percent of the world's oil. what is the agenda in libya do you think at this point if you can compare it to syria because you're saying there's no en

>> well, the court, icc, does not have jurisdiction in syria as syria is not a member of the -- nonetheless, the irk cc has jurisdiction when it comes to the type of crime because it's crime against humanity and also the crimes happened after 2002. nonetheless, for the icc to have full jurisdiction on the case, we need a united nations security council resolution. and to have the obama administration board calling for a referral is of extreme importance to start working towards seeing some justice happening in syria. >> does this have an impact? would it have an impact do you think if the u.s. got involved? not sure if bashir is going to be particularly concerned about the icc, is he? >> i think he will be concerned. we're not going to arrest him and bring him to the hague but i think it's important he be identified for the criminal that he is. this ace young man, a young ruler who had illusions about being a member of the community of nations. he is now being banished. what he and his colleagues are doing they're telling us there's a future for syria beyond him. i think for the obama admin

and russia puts the brakes on afterwards by countries wanting to take action against syria which the kremlin says could lead somewhere libya style military intervention. also american death row inmates are being legally injected with animal killing drugs human rights groups claim is tantamount to torture. plus the culture and cuisine of the caucuses starts he gets too close up to the north and sets. a lot from our headquarters in central moscow you're watching artsy with me and he's now away it's two pm here in the russian capital twelve noon in tripoli where fresh nato airstrikes are pounding the capital with witnesses reporting seven major explosions even so the alliance is chief once more war efforts from coalition members meanwhile russell's been discussing peace with both the regime and the rebels encouraging the rivals for negotiations. is in tripoli. later continues bombing tripoli we've been hearing heavy strikes overnight as well as during the day this week actually the libyan capital has seen the most intense a fair rate since the beginning of the operation in march with na

russia puts the brakes on the efforts by countries wanting to take action against syria as a criminal says could lead to a military intervention. american death row inmates are being laid for the objective of drugs human rights groups claim is tantamount to torture. me twenty four hours a day broadcasting live from moscow this is r.t. work. similar goals but with very different methods for bringing stability to libya their chief is calling on the coalition to get even more active in what is already an intensified campaign at the same time russia is discussing peace with both the regime and the rebels the kremlin is a special envoy saying both sides of the war is not the solution he is in libya with more. nato continues probably we've been hearing heavy strikes overnight as about this during the day this week actually the libyan capital has seen the most intensify rate since the beginning of the operation in march with nato targeting gadhafi compound and command and control centers in an attempt to. hold colonel and force him out russia actually wants to seek it out. free to step down

they say that this perhaps isn't the right moment to move against syria, that syria has now offered more cooperation with the agency and perhaps damascus should be given more time. now, interestingly, the dim macts have all said that this report has nothing to do with the uprising currently going on in syria itself, but i think some countries are worried that this perhaps isn't the time to put more pressure on syria, developing nations, although if syria were to be sent to the u.n. security council, that might open the door for more punitive measures, such as sanctioned. >> is it clear whether the information that has led to this concern has just emerged now or has it since that israeli raid, because what moment in time? >> well, what the iaea says is that it has been given a lot of information over the past three years, including intelligence information from a number of countries. it has wanted to get into syria on the ground to look back at this site, but it says based on the assessment of all the material in front of it, this is what its conclusion is, that it was very likely a nucle

apparently and then things went fairly quickly syria is not like egypt. it's difficult to know which way it's going to go but i think this is where foreign question is has some impact not just the western precious but if you look at turkey for example or even russia of a precious state today. the nudging the president of syria into negotiations with the opposition so these can be a factor i said alone it may not be able to withstand the pressure and it is also no judge by. russia a neutral by the west i think is going to have to give in on some points at least whether it be driven from power or not we can't know now it's too early to tell and i don't think the west is totally in favor of kicking ass out of syria for israel and the world and the west in a weird kind of way it represents some kind of stability is the devil we know where . if things got out of it and we don't know who we would have power in in syria you're going to prefer suppressing the son who's talking today about quote foreign influences behind the unrest in syria who's he talking about

syria is a police state. the idea that there are tens of thousands of armed thug ganged who aren't affiliated with the government who are against the government, that's just absurd. >> it is absurd. look, anderson. bashar assad lacks absolute credibility, not only around the world and the international community but with his own people. if there was an ounce of honesty or integrity to the speech, it would have begun by saying i'm going to pull back the syrian military forces who are at the moment, slaughtering the syrian people. and i'm going to investigate the sort of abuses that the military is visited upon the syrian people. but he can't do that because, of course, he's ordered those abuses so this is just further evidence. it sort of delusional if you ask me. he makes the statement but it clearly lacks any truth or sincerity. >> you talked about the arab silence on friday. we heard from the arab league and they said the u.n. shouldn't get involved. outside powers shouldn't go involved in the internal affa

. >> life in syria is dominated by the weekly friday protest. who will go? who will risk being killed? will they survive to return home after wards? it is thursday evening, the eve of what has become protest day here in syria, and people are dashing home before the road blocks are set up between the suburbs of damascus and the city itself. the last thing authorities wanted was for feem people to converge on the city recreating the damascus equivalent of thank you here -- of tahir square. people here say it wouldn't be like egypt, it would be a massacre. a syrian soldier explained what was expected of minimum him by those in command. >> they gave us the orders to fire heavily at unarmed people. we were surprised to be told to shoot randomly. many, many were killed. all unarmed civilians. >> this week saw the biggest protests in damascus yet. not on the scale of egypt, but people here say the fear barrier has been broken. lloyd roberts, bbc news, damascus. >> colonel gaddafi is still clange clinging to power in libya. opposition fighters have suffered heavy lo

complain the alliance is ignoring the real front meanwhile the chorus of international condemnation over syria. an american warship docked in the south in ukraine to take part in the the war games something the russian foreign ministry is completely not happy about. that even just austerity measures are exchanged to continue. the day that marks the birth of modern russia celebrating the country's declaration of sovereignty and its first free election which led to the historic form of this something. this is r.t. it's ten pm now here in moscow when i was kevin in with our news review of the week for you and first libyan rebel fighters on the mediterranean front line of trying to retake the major oil port of zawiya not far from the capital tripoli at least one hundred members of gadhafi forces and fifty rebels have reportedly been killed in fierce fighting near the offensive marks a breakthrough for the opposition from the port by artillery fire and intensive shelling from pro-government troops about three months ago he dances prompted the closure of a key supply route from. rebel leaders have c

syria. and the argument being that the situation is the same in syria as libya where we are seeing the current regime conducting deadly crackdowns against civilians every thousand already reportedly killed so. one rule for one should be the same rule for the other shouldn't. well yes but the thing is that i think we have to remember the revolution the revolutionary process that is taking place in the middle east is one in which ordinary people are taking time to take control of their societies and what i think is happening in syria and what has to happen in syria is the syrian movement for change has to win over larger sections of society has to win over aleppo has to win over sections of the army and i think this is an internal struggle if you like for the future direction of syria the problem is when foreign powers start interfering then then you can have a regime that then can strengthen its position by saying this out you know what happened to going to have a parent with this movement an

but what would that replace the current regime in syria if it was overthrown. well i i think that the goal of the those who impose the sanctions is to get rid of the current government and bring the power our client regime another words a regime that is loyal to those who became its benefactors and patrons on the international scene another words a client of the western powers who of course historically as the colonial force in the region and including in syria ruled the roost until the arab people in syria were able to manage to take control of their own destiny so i think they're looking for the elimination of an independent government and the replacement of it with a proxy or puppet government in damascus isn't that the right thing to do because of those concerns that if the regime is overthrown then the country could descend into civil war and that. and in fact drag of the volatile neighbors into a regional conflict a much bigger conflict what you see in syria the moment is not a good argument. well i think that what we see and what we must recognize is tha