for jon huntsman showed up this year. they organized the big prayer rally in texas with rick perry this summer. the personhood amendment in mississippi has gone from the wing nut secessionist thing to being something that has a lot of conservative organizational weight behind it. it also has conservative personality behind it. mike huckabee decided to be a celebrity endorser for the mississippi personhood amendment and can use his fox tv show to advocate for it which is where he got supposedly not that socially conservative, not that wing nutty mitt romney to endorse this thing. >> would you have supported the constitutional amendment that would have established the definition of life at conception? >> absolutely. >> absolutely. now, that has a whole bunch of potential consequences. if a fertileized egg is a person legally, anything that stops a fertileized egg from eventually becoming a live birth becomes a crime. potentially becoming murder. so if you have a miscarriage, that could be grounds for criminal investigation into manslaughter or murder. it could make fertility treatmen

. presidential republican candidate jon huntsman join us us in the center seat. plus, president obama goes for the cash and the laughs out west. live from our studio in washington, this is "special report." good evening, i'm bret baier. a taxing morning and afternoon for rick perry. he is trying to attract positive buzz to the campaign. chief political correspondent carl cameron has specifics. >> reporter: far back in the polls, rick perry tried to jump-start his campaign with optional 20% flat income tax. >> this is the size of what we're talking about right here. taxpayers will be able to fill this out and file their taxes on that. >> reporter: families could deduct charitable giving, mortgage interest. state and local taxes exemption for independents. perry plans sweeping entitlement and called out critics in advance. >> those who oppose it will wrap themselveses in the cloak of status quo. america is under a crushing burden of debt. >> the latest cbs "new york times" poll shows herman cain leads 25 over 21 over mitt romney nationally. perry is down to 6%. he zinged the tax overall

their earning power once they get out of the race. jon huntsman now, who won't be at this debate, he'll be in new hampshire. he bowed out of this because of a dispute between nevada and new hampshire. he really needs to do better in the polls. so it will be interesting to see what jon huntsman does. if anyone needs to drop out, hala, before the first votes in iowa, i would say it's jon huntsman but i don't think that's going to happen either. >> mark preston, senior political editor, live in las vegas, the site of that cnn debate which will be hosted by anderson cooper. and the big question of course is who will come out on top. 8:00 p.m. eastern on tuesday. >>> we know the consequence when's students cheat. but it's a whole other issue when their teachers do it. fallout from the atlanta testing scandal is coming up next. [ female announcer ] for over 30 years, we've been dedicated to helping our students succeed in america's most in demand careers. we provide you with instructors who are professionals working in the fields they teach. it's an education designed for today, from a

the exception of jon huntsman, we'll talk about him momentarily, are at about 2%, 3%, 4% on the lower end, all the way up. they can stay in the race and they will stay in the race. the reason being even if they don't have a shot at winning the republican presidential nomination, they stay in the race longer they get this national exposure on our network, as they will tuesday night, on all the other networks, that also helps their earning power once they get out of the race. jon huntsman now, who won't be at this debate, he'll be in new hampshire. he bowed out of this because of a dispute between nevada and new hampshire. he really needs to do better in the polls. so it will be interesting to see what jon huntsman does. if anyone needs to drop out, hala, before the first votes in iowa, i would say it's jon huntsman but i don't think that's going to happen either. >> mark preston, senior political editor, live in las vegas, the site of that cnn debate which will be hosted by anderson cooper. and the big question of course is who will come out on top. 8:00 p.m. eastern on tuesday.

are spending so much time discussing it makes it even worse. >> this is why -- >> i like jon huntsman. >> i like jon huntsman. i need more of that. >> exactly. >> that we just saw. bring it on. good morning, everybody. it's tuesday, october 11th. welcome to "morning joe." with us onset we have the columnist for the "new york times" and president of the council on foreign relations richard hoss. in washington, washington anchor for bbc world news america, katty kay. good to have you with us. i love jon huntsman. >> you can say it again. i love that. that's the side of him the guy should show. >> you call someone who acts like a moron a moron. and you say it. you just go there. >> there is no doubt about it. you look at the flurry of polls that are coming out today that we're going to be showing today and it just illustrates that this type of politics does not work. i've said it time and time again and offended michele bachmann supporters and sarah palin supporters. >> right. >> and glenn beck viewers, but the fact of the matter is, at the end of the day, rick perry's type of politics doesn't

row now. every major republican presidential candidate except for jon huntsman, is he still considered major, spoke at the summit this weekend. the congressional leadership of the republican party which supposedly represents the mainstream of the party and should not be tarred by the extreme views of the fringe of the conservative movement. but here's house majority leader eric cantor speaking at the values voters summit. here's speaker of the house john boehner speaking at the values voters summit. here's who they shared the stage with. >> i believe we need a president that understands just as islam rest represents the greatest long range threat -- >> woo. woo. when all the republican presidential candidates in the republican congressional leadership do big national televised events like this, why is there this gentleman's understanding, right, with the beltway media that republicans who speak at the things shouldn't be viewed as sharing the event's agenda. they know what they're getting into. why do we make excuses for things like this? in the weeks leading up to the numbe

him? >> depends on who the rival s. vegas, baby, vegas. there will be no jon huntsman on the stage which leaves only one centrist, if you will, mitt romney. that means republicans are trying to stake out the right side, if you will, of the spectrum. so michele bachmann, newt gingrich, rick santorum going up against cain. you may get criticism from ron paul. that brings up the question about where is rick perry is all of this because he was considered to be the top candidate get together the right of the republican party. he has somewhat fizzled. i still say he's got a lot of money and can still make it happen in some of the um coming contests. but mitt romney is going to be sifting back watching it all happen. at the end of the debate come out if not unscathed, certainly in the lead. despite what national polls say, i still think mitt romney is the front-runner among republicans right now. >> tim, iowa moving its caucus to january 3rd. so will the battle for the republican nomination, will it be over by the end of january? will there be a nominee by the end of january? >> i didn't

, tonight's show is historic as always. we have got presidential candidate jon huntsman, a new poll places him among the top two mormons in the republican presidential race. but first off, a shocking report on attempts to influence the election by a shadowy organization armed with unlimited money, colbert superpac. now folks, i don't want to brag but we have raised enough cash for me to hire a team of professional braggers. and one of those donations came from two little kids, charlie and grace, 8 and 10, who sent me $13, and a note that meant almost as much as their money. (laughter) >> jim. >> they want to do a lemonade stand for the superpac. they wrote mom says we can't do a lemon said stand for it until you decide what the superpac stands for so let us know. (laughter) kids ask the darnedest questions that the press generally doesn't. so what do we stand for? i asked you to tell me at colbert superpac.com, 53,000 of you responded and i used your answers to create a word cloud. it turns out the things people care about most, people. kind of self-involved. but i dug deeper and i created

with rick santorum. and jon huntsman finally came in first in a straw poll. that's the good news. the bad news is, well, check out the sideshow. and let me finish tonight with a need to watch the wall street protesters and listen to them for solutions. let's begin with the occupy wall street protests themselves. sherrod brown is a democrat from ohio. senator, if you were standing in wall street with the occupy wall street people, what placard would you be holding up in the air? >> that's a good question. i just think for the president to stand -- be on our side in the end. i mean, this isn't a liberal conservative left or right, it's whose side are you on, and the president's starting to fight more than he did. that's a good sign. i think the energy coming out of the wall street protesters is always a good thing. when people nonviolently speak out and stand for something, it's good to challenge authority when they do that. >> do you think they want reform or do they want structural change? the kind of stuff i grew up with and you grew up, which is a real argument about what kind of a

>>> jon huntsman slamming his rival for flip-flopping, calling him, i'm quoting, calling hun huntsman a perfectly lubricated weather vein. >>> and talking to international prosecutor about a possible surrender. >>> and one oil company, major oil company i should say, major u.s. oil companies, are raking in near record profits, so why are they still getting huge taxpayer subsidies? i'm wolf blitzer. you're in "the situation room." >>> he skipped the last presidential debate and sidelined himself in iowa saying he wants to focus on the first of the nation's primary state. jon huntsman is betting almost everything on new hampshire, but is trail ng the state while romney is enjoying a substantial lead and now, huntsman is joining some of romney's sharpest critics in questioning romney's conservative credentials. jon huntsman is joining us now from salt lake city. thanks very much for coming in. >> thank you, wolf. an honor to be with you. >> george will, the conservative columnist writing in an upcoming edition of "the washington post" says this about mitt romney. he says -- you agree wit

stay in vegas, anderson. >> you can. >> one that won't be at the cnn debate, that's jon huntsman. he'll be right with us to explain why. we'll talk exclusively to mario andretti and tony kanaan about the terrible crash that killed their friend dan wheldon. later my compelling interview with kelsey grammer who really does open up in a way i've never seen before. but for now jon huntsman joins me from new hampshire. he says he'll stay there rather than joining all the fun in las vegas. what's this all about? why are you avoiding the lure of sin city? >> well, piers, thank you for having me on. let me just say that we have a very, very important issue playing out here, and that's the viability of the new hampshire primary. why is that important? because the primary here, the first in the nation, is the window through which the american public begin to understand the candidates, who they are, what they stand for and their vision for a better america. and you begin to jeopardize that process by other states like nevada most recently leapfrogging in the process, making new hampshire virtually

paul will be a factor. the others are running on fumes right now including jon huntsman and newt gingrich, both of whom are in debt. you even see tim pawlenty raised a million dollars in the third quarter. he's still in debt from a campaign he abandoned in august. the big story out of the numbers is that rick perry is in this at least for the first few primary contests. that's where it's going to determine how long term a candidate he is. >> jon huntsman, his economic policies are endorsed by the "wall street journal." on paper, he's the one a couple years ago, last year, that many insiders said the white house was most concerned about, jon huntsman. you see him pulling up there. a campaign, some say when you look at how much money he's raising, could be on fumes. tim farley, nice to see you this monday morning. one day, four to go. we want to remind you that cnn and the western republican leadership conference are hosting the next republican debate. several candidates will face off in las vegas. jon huntsman is skipping this go-around, he's taking sides with new hampshire over n

contenders are looking for an edge in iowa. but two are no shows. mitt romney and jon huntsman. both mormons. there has been some tension between attendees and occupied des moines protesters. shannon travis is at the event in des moines. bring us up to speed. what's going on? >> reporter: well, what's going on right now, deb, in this building behind me, about 1,000 people, about 1,000 eye wants, many christian evangelicals. this is a huge gathering for iowa conservatives right now. many of the presidential candidates are slated to speak. herman cain, michele bachmann, rick santorum, newt gingrich and the texas governor, rick perry. i caught up with him a few minutes ago as he was arriving and glad handing and greeting people. and i asked one quick question. take a listen to this. >> reporter: why is this an important event for you to be at today? >> absolutely. yr why? >> first in the nation. you have to be here. >> reporter: you've got to be here. let's talk about who is not here. that would be as you mentioned earlier, mitt romney and jon huntsman. in terms of mitt romney, i questi

white house coverage continues tomorrow with presidential candidate jon huntsman where he will talk about policy. live starting at 11:00 a.m. eastern. in new hampshire tomorrow, on mitt romney. that will be live at 5:30 p.m. eastern. but campaign events are on c- span, c-span radio, and c- span.org. on tuesday following the republican bloomberg debate at dartmouth college in hanover, c- span will show live coverage of some of the candidates and their campaign staffs taking questions from reporters in the spin room live starting at 10:00 p.m. eastern on c-span. more political coverage now with washington journal with roger simon from politico. host: we want to welcome back to c-span roger simon who's been covering campaigns for how many years? guest: oh, my god. my first campaign was in 1976 so i began in 1975. i followed jimmy carter around the country. then harold ford. host: we will talk about the 1976 race. i want to assure you two headlines. ridgely i want to show you two headlines. and this morning from the "washington post," this from scott wilson. he rarely spends more than a

with president obama, jon huntsman now want his woman. t"the situation room" now starting with wolf blitzer. >> a program raising new concerns about cyber attacks, experts are washing, this virus may be just the beginning. >>> also, another troubled government investment comes to light. details of what happened to another green company after it received millions of dollars. >>> i'll talk about that an much more with the other mormon candidate, jon huntsman. he joins us live this hour. i'm wolf blitzer. you're in the situation room. >>> it's one of the u.s. military's most important weapons systems playing a critical role in the fight against terror. and now there's new growing concern over the computers that concern drone aircraft. they're infected with a persistent virus but it is only part after much, much bigger threat. our correspondent chris lawrence is investigating all of this for us. chris, what are you picking up? >> right now, officials don't know if this virus is benign or truly doing harm. it has not stopped the pilots from actually flying the drones over their missions

. herman cain is second, ron paul third, rick perry, a poor fourth, jon huntsman falling behind. and some warning signs for all of the candidates. what is your look at the internal? >> i think when you look and realize the conservative part of the republican party, you can measure it a bunch of ways. in iowa, for instance, half the caucus goers we surveyed identified with the tea party. that was herman cain advantage there. he leads among tea party supporters in iowa. and he does better, he's closer to romney in new hampshire among tea party supporters. the new hampshire republican electorate, though, is more moderate, less conservative than the iowa electorate. that would be the big warning sign for mitt romney as he decides how seriously and how much resources does he devote to iowa. for instance, one number that jumped out at me, among first time caucus goers, those that haven't done it before, romney does pretty well. but it is as we know largely for active regular caucus goers who participate in this thing, and that's a more conservative republican electorate and that's a pitfal

immigration. she'll attend an immigration event with state lawmakers next week. and jon huntsman, who is boycotting the nevada debate on tuesday, will still be in new hampshire this week. he'll be in concord, formerly filing for the primary ballot. join us for an in depth look at the race for the white house, next sunday, 4:00 eastern hour. >>> new developments in the massive search for a missing baby girl. dozens of national guard troops are joining police and the fbi who are looking for lisa irwin in kansas city. the 10-month-old was last seen in her crib nearly two weeks ago. missouri's governor has called in the guardsmen to help cover more ground. jim spelman is in kansas city with more on the territory that they'll be encountering. jim what is the latest on this search? >> reporter: hi, fredricka. that's right. the national guard with the fbi, local police have been researching this wooded area here. just around the bend is the neighborhood where baby lisa lives, where she was last seen. that's just around there. this is the road that leads out of the neighborhood, back towards

now jon huntsman joins me from new hampshire. he says he'll stay there rather than joining all the fun in las vegas. what's this all about? why are you avoiding the lure of sin city? >> well, piers, thank you for having me on. let me just say that we have a very, very important issue playing out here, and that's the viability of the new hampshire primary. why is that important? because the primary here, the first in the nation, is the window through which the american public begin to understand the candidates, who they are, what they stand for and their vision for a better america. and you begin to jeopardize that process by other states like nevada most recently leapfrogging in the process, making new hampshire virtually irrelevant as you move it forward. i say that is totally nonsense. we're going to stand with the people of new hampshire on this. we're going to speak out openly and vocally. we've chosen to boycott nevada. the caucus system. we know the people of nevada are experiencing high unemployment, high foreclosure rates. they deserve a straight-up conversation with the ca

. but one of the eight hopefuls says he's not going to be there. jon huntsman is saying no to nevada completely taking the state off his campaign calendar. the former utah governor is not happy with the state's decision to move its gop caucus ahead of ham hmm new hampshire's primary. he said he made other plans in new hampshire. >> so i say if you're going to boycott nevada, you boycott the debate, straight up, fully loaded and so tuesday night we're going to be here as we will be on monday, campaigning and doing town hall meetings and sharing our vision with the people of new hampshire and answering questions that people in new hampshire have about where this country needs to go. >> let's go straight to new hampshire right now, live with cnn political producer rachel t streitfeld. >> reporter: he's focusing on the state for a couple of reasons. one, it is more socially moderate than some of the oriole nominating contests he could compete in. also, independent voters here in this state can vote in the republican primary. huntsman is hoping to scoop up some independent voters with his

heard from rick perry, rick santorum and ron paul. jon huntsman is coming up, focusing only these days on the state of new hampshire. >> our town hall meetings are packed these days. we have a cup of very, very important months ahead in new hampshire. the vibe i'm getting, we're connecting with our message obje about rebuilding our manufacturing muscle in this country and getting people back to work is resonating with the all important people in the first primary state. >> more from him a bit later. >>> first michele bachmann and newt gingrich take on the federal government. one agency in particular doing an education forum in new york. >> this year there will be a 23% increase at the federal department of education and i believe that the department will grow from 4,200 employees to 4,600 employees. so we're seeing a great growth in education bureaucracy. i believe that they'll expand $1.8 billion, but i also believe that those moneys would be better spent in the local classroom and better determined by local parents. we're hurting america's productivity if we don't focus on academic a

encouraging candidates to boycott candidate, especially mitt romney. jon huntsman is boycotting tonight's event. huntsman is spending all his time and effort in new hampshire telling cnn it's a vegas move to put all his chips on the granite state. >> i like where we're going in new hampshire. all the polls show we're moving up. we're now in low double digits this is exactly where we want to be. we want a steady, gradual substantive ride. whoever makes it through the new hampshire primary always bursts upon the political stage with viability down market. >> iowa republican party chairman matt straw is blaming florida and nevada for causing chaos in the calendar. he said i will do everything in my power on the rnc to hold florida accountable for creating this mess. but the culpability for creating a compressed january calendar does not end there. time remains for nevada to respect the process, honor tradition and rectify the problem in a way that will restore order to the nomination calendar. >>> the recent jump in the polls and a spotlight on the presidential race focuses on herm

the st. louis bullpen turns the series. highlights ahead in sports. >>> and jon huntsman dropped some mandarin while talking last night to steven colbert. will that get him above 2% in the polls? that and a check of weather when "way too early" comes back. >>> last night mr. reagan called congressional leaders to the white house to say he approved the action. this morning the president told the world, explaining why he ordered troops to grenada. >> the united states objectives are clear, to protect our own citizens, to facilitate the evacuation of those who want to leave and to help in the restoration of democratic institutions in grenada. do you have an irregular heartbeat called atrial fibrillation, or afib, that's not caused by a heart valve problem? are you taking warfarin to reduce your risk of stroke caused by a clot? you should know about pradaxa. an important study showed that pradaxa 150mg reduced stroke risk 35% more than warfarin. and with pradaxa, there's no need for those regular blood tests. pradaxa is progress. pradaxa can cause serious, sometimes fatal, bleeding.

together, 9-9- 9, or 9-0-9, all skewed towards the -- >> the irony is that jon huntsman has a great plan, actually charles' plan. crud in theiall the tax code. all the economists agree it is a great way to go. no intention of ever. >> -- no attention whatsoever. >> why is it jon huntsman getting any attention? >> he missed a great chance -- chris wallace's requested, would you accept $10 in cuts for $1 of tax increase? that was his chance to say "i am different." >> every presidential campaign as somebody who the press likes because they are smart, thoughtful, and that's been successful. -- and have been successful. bruce babbit was like that years ago. for some reason, that individual flames out. >> is it too early to say he has flamed out? >> he has a spending -- he is the spending in all on new hampshire. with closing loopholes and deductions, rick perry promised to do that. he comes out with a plastic that is 20% maximum -- a plan that is 20% maximum, but also gives you the option of going under the existing system, encouraging the deductions and loopholes. >> i been studying the rec

except former utah governor, jon huntsman heading to utah tonight to have a debate in the state whose caucuses take place in three months. if you want to sound smart, tell your friends in 2008, mitt romney won the republican nevada caucuses with 51% of the vote. ron paul placed second at 14%. the eventual republican nominee, john mccain finished third with 13%. enough with the real news, let's huddle up around the water cooler to watch "the daily show" back last night after a week off. >> so why is it that rick perry, who is basically a 200-pound bag of choice cut great a republican meat dropping like a cow pie? is it his mangled debate performances? possible. questions about his less than pristine record as governor? perhaps. the fact that his family's former hunting facility was known as -- it had been -- it had -- >> i know you refrain from saying that word. the name of the place was called [ bleep ]. >> thank you, black walnut. republicans are brutalizing rick perry because of his faith? yes. no one gets it worse from the republican party than evangelical christians, also kn

think threw the most punches at him? it was jon huntsman, with how many attacks on his opponents? 19. unfortunately for huntsman, the whacks don't seem to have provided much momentum given his place in the polls. 19 times at bat for jon huntsman and that's tonight's big number. >>> that's "hardball" for now. up next, "your business" with j.j. ramberg. [ male announcer ] cranberry juice? wake up! ♪ that's good morning, veggie style. hmmm [ male announcer ] for half the calories -- plus veggie nutrition. could've had a v8. that's why i recommend crest pro-health clinical gum protection. it helps eliminate plaque at the gum line, helping prevent gingivitis. it's even clinically proven to help reverse it in just 4 weeks. crest pro-health clinical gum protection.

cain, michele bachmann, newt gingrich, rick santorum, and john jon huntsman, he came out front and said that he will boycott the cnn debate next tuesday. >> we have decided to boycott nevada because they are leap frogging the primary schedule, which jeopardizes the all important new hampshire primary which i think is critical to our -- to the success of our democracy. if you are going to boycott nevada in terms of the caucus you need to do it fully and that includes the debate. >> a former deputy press secretary for george w. bush is joining us from seattle. robert zimmerman is here with me in new york tonight. thank you to both of you. scott, let me start with you. new hampshire in the position to move the primary back to december. it's become a sort of race early unless nevada relents. how will this be resolved? >> well, i think the main way that this will be resolved, is if nevada actually chose to go three days later than the date that they've announced, which is the 14th. if they were to go to the 17th of january, that provides a weak -- week space between them and new hampshire on

about former utah governor jon huntsman. now, he claims he wants to do this for, one, to focus on new hampshire. going to spend all of his time, money, energy, and efforts there. also he says he's upset with the state of nevada and the gop here for putting their caucuses on january 14th. now, what that has done is thrown the whole primary and caucus and early voting calendar into disarray. with florida moving up to january 31st, now you've got nevada moving up earlier to january 14th, you've got iowa expected to go january 3rd. it doesn't leave a lot of room for new hampshire to get a lot of attention. so jon huntsman says, you know what? i'm going to focus on new hampshire, take a stand with them, new hampshire threatening to do their primary in december. i asked the head of the gop here in nevada, had her on this morning on my show, asked her point-blank, will you consider moving your caucus from the 14th and can we all just get along? listen to her answer. >> is it even an option? is it even on the table for nevada to switch its caucuses from the 14th back just three days to the 17

viral getting tons of attention, but is all press good press? fellow candidate jon huntsman's daughters release this spoof ad in response to that herman cain ad. >> we need you to get involved to make sure our next president is based on substance, not sound bites. check out our dad at john2012.com and follow us on twitter at jon2012girls. ♪ i am america >> oh, boy. let's bring in contributor will cain. will, you know, two things here, an ad from the cain camp, how does it had hurt or help him and then huntsman's daughters spoof does this impact huntsman's campaign in any way. >> i would love to start with huntsman. >> okay. >> love to start with huntsman because i find his campaign completely frustrating. here's why any support for jon huntsman or positive analysis immediately gets you labeled as a rhino or republican in name only, wolf in sheep's clothing. this is absurd because jon huntsman is actually one of the most conservative candidates on stage, accepting his support of civil unions he has a tax plan that can compete with anyone up there. he's the only candidate to enforce pau