who are associated with the national education association, the american federation of teachers. and it does a great deal of harm for a lot of people. >> i'd like to ask you about your own beginning. where were you born? >> i was born in brooklyn. but i had sense enough to move out when i was 13 months old. >> what did your parents do then? >> my parents moved to new jersey. and they were small-scale businessmen. who never had an income by today's standard would have exceeded the poverty standard. and they moved to new jersey where they at first had a small textile factory. and that wasn't very successful. so they opened a small retail store. and this was the source of their income. >> what influence did they have on what you decided to do for college? >> very little. except for the fact that they encouraged me to want to go to college. now, as it happened, my father died before i had graduated from high school. i had three sisters, and myself. i was the youngest. and i was the only one of the four who went to college. >> where did you go? >> rutgers university. >> state school?
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