much tougher battle than anyone had anticipated. this city, key territory, should the pro-gadhafi elements be able to push in here, the concern is that this could potentially turn into a bloodbath. >> seven months of fighting ends with the fall of tripoli in august. two months later, gadhafi is captured and killed. libyans celebrate the possibility of a newfound freedom. but the sudden vacuum of power leads to a rise in regional militias and the transitional government's struggles to control. citing decades of neglect from the central government, the oil-rich eastern part of the country calls for a measure of autonomy. in march of this year, clashes between rival militias threaten to break apart a country held together largely by gadhafi's dictatorship, while weapons from gadhafi's bases spread instability beyond libya's borders. in syria, the arab spring ignites the discontent that's been brewing for years against the oppressive regime of bashar al assad. in march of 2011, demonstrations break out in the poor southern town of dara and quickly spread. >> reporter: anger and passio

-gadhafi elements be able to push in here, the concern is that this could potentially turn into a bloodbath. >> seven months of fighting ends with the fall of tripoli in august. two months later, gadhafi is captured and killed. libyans celebrate the possibility of a newfound freedom. but the sudden vacuum of power leads to a rise in regional militias and the transitional government's struggles to control. citing decades of neglect from the central government, the oil-rich eastern part of the country calls for a measure of autonomy. in march of this year, clashes between rival militias threaten to break apart a country held together largely by gadhafi's dictatorship, while weapons from gadhafi's bases spread instability beyond libya's borders. in syria, the arab spring ignites the discontent that's been brewing for years against the oppressive regime of bashar al assad. in march of 2011, demonstrations break out in the poor southern town of dara and quickly spread. >> reporter: anger and passion here is absolutely palpable. we're just a few miles from the center of damascus and the crowd her

months to overthrow gadhafi in another two months to see him killed or grounded which is a much more difficult operation to imagine and also we have to ask ourselves is it really just a political intervention to change the regime or is it supposed to be an intervention to make life better for the people on the ground supposed to be humanitarian and moral case or is it a case of real politik summer where do you come in on this because you know a lot of people don't like the regime in damascus but then a lot of people say it's complicated i really find that in a dark way in a black humor way you know it's complicated ok but the intent is to overthrow this regime ok it's just how you do it isn't it yeah i mean i don't think there's any question the syrian regime has lost a lot of legitimacy on the ground and certainly almost always legitimacy in the international arena the problem is that the opposition hasn't necessarily built up its legitimacy to match that and so what we're in i think is a very difficult and yes complicated place where military intervention appears to be an increasin

country so once you overthrew gadhafi who was no good no question about it but you did it in the way that the west did including the killing of gadhafi then you're setting up various tribal groups to vie for control and right now those tribal groups are all off on their own competing with one another including attacks on the national transitional government itself so i think people are making a major mistake and i think the coup in mali is directly connected to the overthrow gadhafi because it allowed people to get very large amounts of weapons which previously had been under some control and then they were opening up for all kinds of various groups don cells in this including those who rebels in mali topple the doubling in the north so i think that people miss of the iranian situation very very wrong in their valuation great now but if that's what they think of the rebel groups who are battling against gadhafi but for the nato involvement some would say that the country could have ended up modern the revolution for years saying the alliance did the right thing and as you said earlie

removal and death of gadhafi from power. he was the big fish, and megrahi as far as i am concerned became a minor actor once gadhafi was killed. what is not happening and should happen is the gentleman that was arrested a couple months ago, the intelligence chief of libya under gadhafi, has the key to the truth of what happened in pan am 103, and our government, the british government, and anyone in the free world should be interrogating him very, very aggressively to find out who else was involved because megrahi was not the only one and libya i firmly believe was not the only country. >> how did you feel though, certainly he wasn't expected to live as long as he did when he was first released on humanitarian grounds back to die in his home country of libya. were you surprised that he lasted that long and how frustrating was that for your family? >> oh, yeah. that was a true act of betrayal by our government and by the british government, in particular by the british government, because he truly was released just for aisle and big business. our government did not do anything to ke

this earth. it was tempered because i was exhilarated when gadhafi was overthrown and killed last year. he was the big fish in this story. and on that day, megrahi became a small actor in this play. but please understand, i cannot emphasize this strong if you have, this is not the last chapter in pan am 103. >> it is not. so you are not satisfied with just the death of al megrahi and moammar gadhafi. you believe there is still more justice? >> oh, there's no question. a couple months ago, the french arrested a guy by the name of sanusi, who was gadhafi's chief intelligence officer. he has the key to the truth of pan am flight 103 and it's up to the obama administration and the cameron administration to aggressively interrogate him to get the truth. i don't want know if they will, because i don't know if our government and the british government have the stomach to find the truth, because i believe it will lead to the doors of iran and syria. >> you don't have much confidence that the u.s. or the uk will further pursue anyone connected to the fligbombing of flight 103. >> it's now

. from a very negative assessment of what was that against gadhafi i wasn't libya just this past december and what i hear at heart from many people is that they're waiting in the visage the libyan revolution is that everything in the country will stay the same they will get the same social benefits they will and join the same standard of living but the only thing that would change is that gadhafi would be gone and i think. sometimes that american foreign policy makers suffer from the same degree of idealism do you think it's really idealism or the lack of any serious analysis or consideration on the part of people who make these decisions to throw full us weight behind any particular movement but i think the big difference between british interventions in the third were in american interventions is that the british at least usually knew the languages of the countries they went into they had a certain degree of knowledge i think american policies are usually dictated by amazing ignorance in the case of libya for example i think that the americans who got involved and the french th

moammar gadhafi. three scottish judges found megrahi guilty of planting a bomb on the pan am flight. a fragment of its timer was found among the wreckage. allegedly wrapped in megrahi's shirt. megrahi's son said his father was innocent and that he died of cancer at home in tripoli surrounded by friends and family. many libyans claim megrahi was a scapegoat. but u.s. security officials say he was no patsy. he was a terrorist. >> this was a man who was an operative, who worked on behalf of moammar gadhafi, and was absolutely instrumental in the death of 280 people in bombing pan am 103. >> reporter: families of the victims today found some solace in megrahi's passing but not much. >> there'll never be closure for any of us when your loved one is blown out of the air at 31,000 feet. there's some step of justice. the families for 24 years now have been trying to seek the truth. >> reporter: that truth for many remains unclear. did megrahi act alone? and why was he released at all? a scottish court let megrahi return to libya in 2009 on humanitarian grounds saying he would be dead from c

payment for the role he played in last year's uprising against colonel gadhafi but you know as a killer who's the editor of the pan-african newswire but leaves the security problems the libyan government's currently facing could lead to foreign intervention. the into the sea rebels were promised compensation for their participation in the revolt against moammar gadhafi last year about a month ago payments to many of them were suspended. because they claim that there were a lot of irregularities in regard to who actually were entitled to these payments and what the payments were actually for there's a lot of problems that exist when the national transitional council they were put in power essentially by the pentagon and they took that had not been for the air power the naval blockade. the intelligence sharing on the part of the united states government and the various or european governments there's no way that the m.t.c. could have defeated the libyan army last year so these are the dilemmas that the government is facing right now so it actually is creating a situation where ther

allegations kept you know coming out about his relationship with gadhafi the result tonight or clear they wanted to stop that kind of policy and that going about receive it and tonight it's the night of hope again you know the march good because i can see has created an overall image of france we don't want divisions within the french society we don't want the bombing of arab countries we are friends of the arabs you have. a lot is being branded france's new hope or dance one task ahead of him to sort through the euro crisis and clean up an image which many think is no longer in line with what's traditionally french while foreign policy took a backseat during the campaign a lot it did throw out two moves one go head to head with germany's angela merkel on really go sharing the e.u. fiscal pact believe me he will experience in the coming. month the the power of the i mean the negotiation power of america because miracle will face an election in one year and will not be willing to compromise we said with a french president and to withdraw french troops from afghanistan a year earlier t

responsibility and an interest here with our allies to make clear to colonel gadhafi that what he's doing is unacceptable and we won't stand by and let it happen and this would send a signal to could offer you that the president is serious when he says we need for qaddafi to go is it time to arm the rebels in libya and go directly after a copy. well i think it's time to go directly after gadhafi bomb iran. but anyway. well let's look at where we are now libya is now a mess the hawks are pushing for involvement in the civil war in syria and are what eight years of war in iraq will stability there is still a dream but hey why not throw a conflict with the ron into the mix and let's not forget afghanistan where the u.s. is balls deep in war afghans are weary of our raids bombing campaigns are failed attempts at winning hearts and minds mind never mind the threat from the taliban afghan troops are also turning their arms on american soldiers with increasing frequency and back here in america approval ratings for the war have plummeted and even at the nato summit in chicago last weekend the mo

moammar gadhafi are still being held in libyan prisons with many of them tortured according to a un report many jails are secret and under the control of armed rebels who refuse to comply with the country's new government lawrence freeman from the executive intelligence review magazine says that there is no sign maybe it is getting closer to democracy. this is a major disaster which was caused by the west and the asian regime change policy under the guise of humanitarian intervention the responsibility to protect and i think the country is in terrible shape and some people tell me in africa that the country may be on the verge of splitting up and was so it's created massive instability of course all over the site here in northern africa you have a tribal society you don't have a nationalistic clear direction misuse of a country so once you overthrew gadhafi who was no good no question about it but you did it in the way that the west did including the killing of. then you are setting up various tribal groups to vie for control and right now those tribal groups or from their own compe

rebel army and regime change against gadhafi this is what's more typical of nato pushing their way or. were forces things go for that for good reason because i can learn the jeremy german minded agree with jeremy in london jump in. i have to agree on that with john on this point nato has given for itself the role of intervention afghanistan intervention in nato intervention where so ever it pleases that was the whole blair i agenda surrounding nato now nine hundred ninety the warsaw pact gave itself up and collapsed nato should have done the same at that time instead we have this massive global force has it made the world safer has it made the world more secure has improved the civil liberties all over europe and north america you all know the answer to that question we need to think very seriously about what this military alliance is actually for and why it is costing particularly us taxpayers but others as well such a vast amount of money and so many lives of young soldiers lost as a result of it again you know i just want to point out one major response to something he said is t

argument against it. i supported the overthrow of gadhafi absolutely. i thought as you could hear from my opening remarks, i thought it was the right thing to do. but i also think that it's important to manage a mistake that somehow none of us have learned from the mistakes of the previous administration. i also think it's important to actually try and manage what happens afterwards. it's not just okay to say, you know, the evil man is gone, long live whoever else comes, see you later. and that's part of the challenge is that the longer you let those kind of things go, the more likely it is you're confronted with something distasteful to you. i'm sorry, there was one other thing i wanted to say. and aaron, you said that only the israelis are the ones who want to bomb iran. even wikileaks will reveal that in fact former lebanese prime minister, the saudi king, iraqis and others have been on us to bomb iran. they may want us to do, not the israelis to do it, but at the end of the day, i don't think they would be that picky. >> aaron, why don't you talk a little further about what yo

uprising against moammar gadhafi the premier also present however when the shooting happened and by the army as it is right at the pan african news why told us that this security problems that currently been government is facing now might pave the way to foreign intervention. there's a lot of our problems that exist are wanted the national transitional council inside of libya they were put in power socially by the pentagon and nato are they have not been for the air power the naval blockade the intelligence sharing on the part of the united states government and the various or european governments there is no way that the n t c could have defeated the libyan army or last year so these are are the dilemma's that they are the government is facing right now so it actually is creating a situation where there will be a rationale for possible u.s. or nato or direct military intervention on the ground in order to poorly or stabilize the situation inside the country. and of course there's always a lot more in store for you in our web site actually dot com including the cia claims that the deman

gadhafi at all but to said it's another attack on a muslim country a muslim should be very wary of this so really again like i said nato want to push away the and team putin is kind of currents within the tunnel of within the afghan resistance and want to maintain and bold start a collaborationist regime post twenty fourteen for the other regime change operation against russia china and also india does explain what that regime would actually be made up or what do you mean by that. well there was a reason why they got rid of the p.d.p. a government back in the one nine hundred eighty s. the p.d.p. a government was was progressive. massive land reform education program a liberation of women so what they what they've instituted basically through through through war and intervention in afghanistan is a regime that is hostile to all its neighbors particularly. china and russia and also that's playing a dirty game in pakistan the west also very nervous about pakistan and also with the libya connection to gadhafi or support of pakistan's right to nuclear capability so really that the west want a

circles you all united and it led to the overthrow of gadhafi which was the intention so. we saw what happened in libya still unrest at the moment not really knowing who the rebels were in syria or in libya what about the situation in syria what's supposed to happen then if there is a regime change. well you pointed to the right question i mean the fact is that not only is the situation in syria libya not better it's worse in fact the the overthrow gadhafi has led to the destabilisation of mali and other countries in the hill who now have easy access to weapons the point is not what you're trying to do in libya where they're trying to do in syria you're certain global empire forces are playing a global game and the global game is to force countries around the world to submit to their intimidations and to give up their sovereignty and the number one target of nations that are resisting this. overturn of sovereignty of international courts is russia and china and that is the goal they don't really care what happens on the ground in syria this will destabilize the entire middle east and

to abdel baset al megrahi's death. >> pleased. i much likely would have been angered if gadhafi wasn't overthrown and killed. when he was released in 2009, it was an act of betrayal for our government and the british government for oil and big business, but with gadhafi being kill, he was the big fish and in that day megrahi became the big act for me. the part that's being missed is we arrested sanoosi in may mauritania, he knew what other countries were involved. i'm concerned that our government and the british government doesn't have the stomach to find the truth. i think it will lead to the door of iran. >> when we talk about the fact that he was released, al megrahi was on compassionate grounds from scotland in 2009. they gave him three months to live because he was so sick. how did you feel then and as you say, the big difference was made with gadhafi being killed last year. >> when he was released, that was the most angry i was in the 24-year saga. that was a despicable act. the act of compassion was when he got life in prison. this man was responsible for blowing 270 peo

recent t"the dictato dictator". >> the inspiration for t"the dictator" was colonel gadhafi. >> oh. >> it's a mixture of various different characters and an old face of a character. colonel gadhafi was the most absurd of the dictators, obviously vicious but would dress unintentionally like a 65-year-old woman, often broke wind during interviews with the bbc. >> yes. >> had 15 guards who protected him at all times, very few who remained -- coming up with mohammed al fayed, the father of dodie, who knew gadhafi and i said did you ever have any interaction with him. he said before the days of viagra, he said i used to supply him with genital suppositories so he could extend his sexual performance. gadhafi would send someone to al fayed every three months for these special sue pos tors in the pre-viagra days. >> so he could do what again? >> these dictators, the one thing that links them together is they have many women. the most powerful man in the world do, he gets women. parties -- don't want to talk about it. >> we definitely get the joke. do you ever wonder or ever worry about off