on some days. mary katharine ham and juan williams. they are in washington. fox news analysts. juan, explain to me the difference between waterboarding and drone attacks? >> well, you know, bill, these people are plotting terrorist activities against the united states, when they are engaged in executing, they are on their battlefield. they are terrorists. we engage them on their battlefield when we use drones to attack them because essentially they are like soldiers and soldiers get shot, they get bomb. think truman of hiroshima they attack people before they can attack us. the difference is once you capture people then you have to abide by some standards. we don't want to set a standard that allows people to sigh we can torture american soldiers or it fits with the laws of the united states to allow torture. that's against our not only our laws but the morality, i believe, that governs in our country. >> bill: these people aren't military people. they're a terrorist. they don't have a uniform on. they suffer in some village in pakistan and all of a sudden they are vaporized. >> act

obama to denounce these people? with us now juan williams and mary katharine ham, both, of course, fox news analysts. all right, so juan at this press conference today, the president wasn't asked specifically about the violent acts, but he was asked about the protests. well, chicago, you know, it does -- nothing phases chicago it was kind of a glib response. we're announcing where employees can go into buildings and police get stabbed in the leg? i mean, come on. >> obviously if you have people who are advocates of violence who are anarchists and threatening people, intimidating people so you can't do business, that's not good. you don't want it. >> laura: why doesn't the president say anything. >> no, no. what bill said earlier and what you are asking me is why doesn't the president denounce occupy wall street? i don't know that these two are synonymous. i think there are lots of elements and people who are involved in occupy wall street involved here. occupy wall street, i think, was really an expression of american discontent over the fact that they are, you know, wall street gets a

. good luck up there. >> bill: okay. laura, thank you. >> laura: up next. juan and mary katharine react to the chaos in chicago. what president obama should do or say about it. and later democratic mayor cory booker undercuts the obama campaign strategy of attacking mitt romney's business career. and then seems to backtrack. but did he really? we're going to explain. >> laura: continuing occupy violence violence in chicago with dozens of arrests yesterday. is it time for president obama to denounce these people? with us now juan williams and mary katharine ham, both, of course, fox news analysts. all right, so juan at this press conference today, the president wasn't asked specifically about the violent acts, but he was asked about the protests. well, chicago, you know, it does -- nothing phases chicago it was kind of a glib response. we're announcing where employees can go into buildings and police get stabbed in the leg? i mean, come on. >> obviously if you have people who are advocates of violence who are anarchists and threatening people, intimidating people so you can't do business

williams and mary katharine ham, both, of course, fox news analysts. all right, so juan at this press conference today, the president wasn't asked specifically about the violent acts, but he was asked about the protests. well, chicago, you know, it does -- nothing phases chicago it was kind of a glib response. we're announcing where employees can go into buildings and police get stabbed in the leg? i mean, come on. >> obviously if you have people who are advocates of violence who are anarchists and threatening people, intimidating people so you can't do business, that's not good. you don't want it. >> laura: why doesn't the president say anything. >> no, no. what bill said earlier and what you are asking me is why doesn't the president denounce occupy wall street? i don't know that these two are synonymous. i think there are lots of elements and people who are involved in occupy wall street involved here. occupy wall street, i think, was really an expression of american discontent over the fact that they are, you know, wall street gets away with murder. you know, people on the right d

. when did i capture them i would say to them mary katharine you have got two options. you can do it the hard way or the easy way. here is a little videotape of khalid sheikh mohammed going up and down. shear what is going to happen to you or we can give you a nice stake dinner -- steak dinner and can you tell us what you know. the simple question is president obama can't possibly think that his drone program is more humane than dunking the people in the water? nobody could think that. >> right, well it's interesting because when i hear john talk -- juan talk about it and -- the justification for the drone program is exactly the same are a the bush administration administration for capturing and using enhanced interrogation. creating plots and have information we need it may be a ticking time bomb issue. just remember the obama administration went from 2009 it was most important thing in the world for khalid sheikh mohammed, of 9/11 fame to come to new york city and get a civilian trial and that was the only way that our values would be right with the world. then they realized that's

bring in two sane people at least on some days. mary katharine ham and juan williams. they are in washington. fox news analysts. juan, explain to me the difference between waterboarding and drone attacks? >> well, you know, bill, these people are plotting terrorist activities against the united states, when they are engaged in executing, they are on their battlefield. they are terrorists. we engage them on their battlefield when we use drones to attack them because essentially they are like soldiers and soldiers get shot, they get bomb. think truman of hiroshima they attack people before they can attack us. the difference is once you capture people then you have to abide by some standards. we don't want to set a standard that allows people to sigh we can torture american soldiers or it fits with the laws of the united states to allow torture. that's against our not only our laws but the morality, i believe, that governs in our country. >> bill: these people aren't military people. they're a terrorist. they don't have a uniform on. they suffer in some village in pakistan and all of

washington mary katharine ham and juan williams both are fox news analyst. juan, should we at the factor make a baby shirt that says this kid is happy man and woman for parents. should we sell that on bill o'reilly.com. >> i think that kid would be happy. i'm a big supporter of families. bill, if you were mitt romney put out that t-shirt, you know it would be seen as implicit criticism of the rising number of americans who support gay rights and support gay marriage. >> bill: that's right. you would be a bigot. if you sold that t-shirt, you would be a bigot. >>. >> that's the deal. >> bill: the fact that i know the deal, juan, does that mean the deal is right? >> i think it is right in the sense that we are at a point now where more and more americans think, you know what, gay people should be respected. they shouldn't be stigmatized. >> bill: does that mean the baby can't wear the pro--the anti-bay marriage shirt but only has to wear the pro-gay marriage shirt. i mean, look, we all know what this is. and we all know that gay marriage is becoming increasingly acceptable in this country.

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washington fox news analysts mary katharine and juan williams. you have been pounding the tax the rich drum. outside of you and me there is nobody in this room that is rich. >> i don't know what you were drinking at that memorial day picnic. the punch must have got to you. i'm amazed to turn on this program and see you saying outright there are a lot of people on the right who don't challenge this entitlement thinking mentality. the passage of that -- it's true. you ever hear anybody say it. directed at instead of saying drug benefit that's the truth. anyway. you are dodging the issue here. president obama has been quite clear and he tries to sell way we're going to bring the deficit down. the way we are going to fund the massive tax the rich. there aren't enough even a scintilla of difference, juan. the numbers aren't there. well, mr. owe o'reilly you and i are in agreement if that's the argument. >> bill: obviously that's the argument. >> that's not the argument. >> bill: of course it is. how many times you have heard him say it? how many times did he actually say it to you, juan? >>

they? joining us now from washington mary katharine ham and juan williams both are fox news analyst. juan, should we at the factor make a baby shirt that says this kid is happy man and woman for parents. should we sell that on bill o'reilly.com. >> i think that kid would be happy. i'm a big supporter of families. bill, if you were mitt romney put out that t-shirt, you know it would be seen as implicit criticism of the rising number of americans who support gay rights and support gay marriage. >> bill: that's right. you would be a bigot. if you sold that t-shirt, you would be a bigot. >>. >> that's the deal. >> bill: the fact that i know the deal, juan, does that mean the deal is right? >> i think it is right in the sense that we are at a point now where more and more americans think, you know what, gay people should be respected. they shouldn't be stigmatized. >> bill: does that mean the baby can't wear the pro--the anti-bay marriage shirt but only has to wear the pro-gay marriage shirt. i mean, look, we all know what this is. and we all know that gay marriage is becoming increasing

society that should respect both points of view, mary katharine? >> yeah. i don't have too much issue with the politics of the onesis. the onsie is a symbol how quickly he turned the corner. >> bill: had to have this secret -- >> here is the thing. >> bill: rolling them out pretty fast. >> here is the thing, if obama if he truly as he believes himself to be as liberals believes him. if you want to be a leader you have got to involve a couple years before dick cheney not a couple years after him who of course had the pro-gay marriage stance before obama. getting credit for liberal activists for being brave made a political decision here let's be truthful about that even though it is a new position for president to make. >> before we start, can i pick up on something? i find it interesting that the president says yeah, he supports the idea of gay marriage but he never says he supports it as a matter of a human right or national right. >> liberals are still upset. >> bill: civil rights movement. tomorrow we are going to have two african-american preachers, reverends on the program. one i

to the same thing and they simply don't exist. am i wrong mary katharine? >> no, there is not enough of them. there is not enough of them possible to make up the problems that we have. to we have to deal with entitlements. we have to deal with the wasteful spending and applause. you can't soak the rich easy things obama wants to sell like the buffet rule. program disowning that you will kind of stuff. more dependency on the government and less prosperity for rich people. look, it's working. this is what you guys want, right? all of a sudden they were tell me that's not what they want. this is what they worked for. >> i'm worried about the con: what's being presented to the american public and amount amount of them buying it is that the rich people aren't paying their fair share and if they only would, all of these debt problems would be solved. there are 3 million millionaires in the country, juan, 3 million. there are 300 million people and 3 million millionaires. they don't -- you could take all of their stuff and it wouldn't matter one iota. juan? >> i agree with you. i said on th

in for mary katharine tonight. and juan williams. it seems president obama will endorse gay marriage. do you think he will do t before the election. >> what we have got here is a situation is there is nothing to be gained by the obama campaign by doing it before the election. has indicated the key word here, bill, is evolving. that his position is evolving. and the evolution is all towards endorsing gay marriage. so the signal is sent to very key constituency for him. the gay, the lbgt i'm not sure. >> bill: a lot of initials. what's the downside? what's the downside of him endorsing gay marriage he? he is not going to get cerve people to vote for him anyway. >> this is interesting. this is a good point you are making. the catholic vote is critical in this election. actually, a majority of catholics support of gay marriage? there is a big issue on the ballot in north carolina coming up and, again, there is an effort to ban gay marriage obama is opposed to that. again, that's a state he needs. he doesn't want to get too involved here. >> bill: he is opposed to the north koreans -- nor

us michelle fields in for the daily caller web site she is in for mary katharine tonight. and juan williams. it seems president obama will endorse gay marriage. do you think he will do t before the election. >> what we have got here is a situation is there is nothing to be gained by the obama campaign by doing it before the election. has indicated the key word here, bill, is evolving. that his position is evolving. and the evolution is all towards endorsing gay marriage. so the signal is sent to very key constituency for him. the gay, the lbgt i'm not sure. >> bill: a lot of initials. what's the downside? what's the downside of him endorsing gay marriage he? he is not going to get cerve people to vote for him anyway. >> this is interesting. this is a good point you are making. the catholic vote is critical in this election. actually, a majority of catholics support of gay marriage? there is a big issue on the ballot in north carolina coming up and, again, there is an effort to ban gay marriage obama is opposed to that. again, that's a state he needs. he doesn't want to get too invo

, asset or liability? juan williams is a fox news political analyst, a fox news contributor. mary katharine ham writes for "the daily caller" and both of them join us now. that plumber, comment in particular, juan i thought was interesting, but joe biden, supposed to be an asset in the campaign in part because of his appeal to blue-collar workers and he seems to be demeaning blue-collar workers in a statement like that. >> he also said there are pretty smart plumbers. it could be interpreted that way. when i watch the clips it made me laugh especially that last one. sometimes you got to wonder but the fact is he is very personable. he is a very charming guy. part of the reason he was selected as vice president as you said to reach out to i think white working class voters who might have troubles weather the cool personality of the president. the other part is, even this week we saw a story in "politico" saying president hasn't been staying in touch with democrats. biden stays in touch on the hill very well because he is a veteran of the hill. he has a long tenure there. on those s

with the message, register to vote. mary katharine ham of "the daily caller" is a fox news contributor. she is ready to race here. juan williams also a fox news political analyst. so which candidate wins the checkered flag among nascar voters? this is something that was, discussion stimulated, mary katherine by an article in "politico". it never occurred to me that nascar has a huge constituency and candidates might want to try to get their message out but can they do it effectively? >> there are huge events. there are a bunch of people in one place. obviously, white, middle class, rural, and ex-urban voters they tend to be are very important or barack obama or hillary wouldn't have staged a such a nasty fight over them in places like pennsylvania in the primary fate. they matter in swing states like pennsylvania, virginia, north carolina, newly becoming purple. both mitt romney and obama face cultural challenges reaching folks like this. they always have. the why it is interesting in the "politico" article there were conservative surrogates, different more grass root conse