the choice is wisconsin going to be the wisconsin of 2000, 2004? bush lost it in 2000 by 5,000 votes, lost knit 2004 by 11,000. or was it going to be wisconsin in 2008, which was won by 14 points by president obama? i like more like 2004. but the interesting thing to me is this. obama for america is the grass-roots operation of the obama campaign. the obama campaign said we're deeply into it and going all out with the ground game. polls showdown at the end that the race was in real politics it was six points taking out a couple very large auto polls in the last couple weeks this is about a five-point margin if the democrat ground game did not do better in closing the gap one of two things is there. either democrats ought to be worried about the quality of the ground game and-or republicans ought to take a lesson because the republican governors' association made certain there was an all out ground game in wisconsin. that ought to be duplicated because results show they with stoold an attack by unions and obama for america and came out a winner. >>

today, news in wisconsin was amading. the prospect of orly tachlt aitz the birther -- dentist and displaying paintings of adolph hitler. this was overall a news day that would not quit. on national security terms, after about a day worth of very tentative speculation, that it might have happened but there was no confirmation, a finally today the white house did confirm the death of one of the last people in al qaeda who was a big enough deal to have a major press profile in the west. the american officials are confirm this is death came as a result of this week's american drone strike in pakistan. here's "the new york times" profiling him as al qaeda's rising leader in 2008. here's foreign policy magazine profiling him as the next bin laden in 1999. and the guy number go, zawari and after he moved up to number two to be the top guy, who would place up zawari? this guy. the guy the white house says today, that the united states has just killed. >> i can tell you that our intelligence community has intelligence that leads t

wisconsin is dead last. but elections have consequences and karl rove claims the consequences will echo all the way to november. >> it is a blow for the -- for organized labor, particularly, organized labor represented in public employee unions. it's going to embolden similar efforts in other states by other governors. it's clearly going to put wisconsin into play in november. >> all of these republicans are overlooking a very key fact here. a majority of wisconsinites, 70%, in fact, said that they disagreed with the recall principle on its terms. nbc polls showed that only 27% of the voters thought recalls were appropriate for anything. 60% said recalls are appropriate only for official misconduct. 10% of wisconsin voters said recalls are never appropriate. not enough wisconsinites, this is the bottom line. not enough wisconsinites were convinced the recall was justified. even if they don't approve of scott walker, most wisconsinites were not convinced he did enough to be removed from office. so the republi

that's what happened in wisconsin. it may mean if that 10 keeps shrinking that you have to spend your money on turning out the base which i think both parties dit in this case as well. you know, it's -- you cannot unilaterally disarm. democrats were outspent seven to one, democrats lost, i think there's a connection. >> vote by income. this is a race that started about union collective bargaining. in the end, governor walker was not only wrong on the union, but about jobs and yet, look at this. middle class voter, 50,000 to $75,000 a year, 25% of the electorate. the incumbent wins. narrowly, but wins along the middle class. over here, more down scale, 20% of the electorate. again, a split in a piece of the electorate that should go for the democratic mayor, tom barrett. scott walker splits. badly trailing there. and you go to the higher income, governor walker winning convincingly. the incumbent did so well when it was about unions and jobs, he did very well. >> yes, money counts. yes, ground game counts. both paul and

. >>> tonight, the really big winner in the wisconsin recall election is -- president obama. >> wisconsin is having just a complete democratic small democratic explosion. >> showdown in wisconsin! >> projecting a pretty high turnout. >> 3700 people in the district, at least 25 to 2600 voting today. >> today's race is finally going to be decided by wisconsinites. >> i've never had to wait close to this time. it's remarkable. >> it comes down to turnout. >> a maximized turnout. >> the seventh time in the past 14 months that voters have gone to the polls. >> we're not conceding any vote anywhere. >> our governor is the only governor in this country that has a criminal defense fund. >> the day filled with passion and polarization. >> governor walker wants to make this initial election. >> certainly made this a national issue. >> there's some that want to make it a national election. >> this is really sprawled out into other states. >> learn a lot about tonight. >> this is a big, clear election. >> major implications on the presidential race. >> you know, wisconsin the last few weeks? mitt rom

this shouldn't happen in wisconsin. >> greta: the wisconsin battle quickly went national. president obama and speaker boehner not sugar coating their feelings. president obama called governor walker's actions a "assault on unions" and speaker boehner praised the governor for confronting problems neglected for years at the expense of jobs and economic growth. then like something out of a movie 14 democratic state senators disappeared, fleeing the state to avoided voting in the antiunion vote. state senate business grinds to a halt but they find a way to push the antiunion bill through anyway. the hotly anticipated recall election once again pits governor scott walker against milwaukee mayor tom barrett. they ran against each other in november 2010. governor walker is not the only one, though, with a job on the line. lieutenant governor rebecca clayfish also facing a recall on june 5. >> i am the first lieutenant governor in national history to face a recall. i will be the first lieutenant governor in national history to be elected twice in my first term. that you is that? >

what a big night here in wisconsin. right now, the margin is quite large, a resounding 15 or 16 points. this is no close race like in 2010 when governor walker and mayor barrett squared off. your thoughts, right now, a whopping margin? >> greta, what a great night, not only for wisconsin, but for america. a lot of experts and pollsters thought this was going to be a late night. i think it's going to be a late night in chicago. i think a lot of people in the obama campaign will be very worried about the results. when you have a leader willing to make the tough decisions, scott walker cut spending and has grown private-sector jobs and done exactly what he promised the voters he would do. they rewarded him again, like they did a year and-a-half ago. president obama has done the opposite in washington. we need leader whose are willing to think about the next generation, not just the next election. i think it's a great night in wisconsin and for america. >> greta: you know, governor, this margin, if it holds, 15 points or so

the choice is wisconsin going to be the wisconsin of 2000, 2004? bush lost it in 2000 by 5,000 votes, lost knit 2004 by 11,000. or was it going to be wisconsin in 2008, which was won by 14 points by president obama? i like more like 2004. but the interesting thing to me is this. obama for america is the grass-roots operation of the obama campaign. the obama campaign said we're deeply into it and going all out with the ground game. polls showdown at the end that the race was in real politics it was six points taking out a couple very large auto polls in the last couple weeks this is about a five-point margin if the democrat ground game did not do better in closing the gap one of two things is there. either democrats ought to be worried about the quality of the ground game and-or republicans ought to take a lesson because the republican governors' association made certain there was an all out ground game in wisconsin. that ought to be duplicated because results show they with stoold an attack by unions and obama for america and came out a winner. >>

the choice is wisconsin going to be the wisconsin of 2000, 2004? bush lost it in 2000 by 5,000 votes, lost knit 2004 by 11,000. or was it going to be wisconsin in 2008, which was won by 14 points by president obama? i like more like 2004. but the interesting thing to me is this. obama for america is the grass-roots operation of the obama campaign. the obama campaign said we're deeply into it and going all out with the ground game. polls showdown at the end that the race was in real politics it was six points taking out a couple very large auto polls in the last couple weeks this is about a five-point margin if the democrat ground game did not do better in closing the gap one of two things is there. either democrats ought to be worried about the quality of the ground game and-or republicans ought to take a lesson because the republican governors' association made certain there was an all out ground game in wisconsin. that ought to be duplicated because results show they with stoold an attack by unions and obama for america and came out a winner. >>

the choice is wisconsin going to be the wisconsin of 2000, 2004? bush lost it in 2000 by 5,000 votes, lost knit 2004 by 11,000. or was it going to be wisconsin in 2008, which was won by 14 points by president obama? i like more like 2004. but the interesting thing to me is this. obama for america is the grass-roots operation of the obama campaign. the obama campaign said we're deeply into it and going all out with the ground game. polls showdown at the end that the race was in real politics it was six points taking out a couple very large auto polls in the last couple weeks this is about a five-point margin if the democrat ground game did not do better in closing the gap one of two things is there. either democrats ought to be worried about the quality of the ground game and-or republicans ought to take a lesson because the republican governors' association made certain there was an all out ground game in wisconsin. that ought to be duplicated because results show they with stoold an attack by unions and obama for america and came out a winner. >>

we're following in wisconsin now. cnn now projecting wisconsin governor scott walker will win the recall vote. that means he's going to keep his job. we expect him to speak at any moment. and rebecca kleefisch will win her recall election. walker's challenger was democrat tom barrett. he's the mayor of milwaukee. this is being watched closely for what it might mean for the presidential election in november. we'll play out some scenarios. you see with 41% of the vote counted, scott walker winning by 19 points right now. the exit polls showed a narrow win. we'll see if that narrows as more democratic votes come in. but if you look at the state, again, mostly red. that tells you one thing right there. the republican is winning. here's another reason. in the main democratic areas, dane county, right, that's about 8% of the state population, governor barrett is getting 63% here. you might think that's great. 2010 election, same race, he's up at 68%. he's underperforming where he was two years ago. come back to 2012 we'll s

special live edition of "the ed show" from wisconsin. >>> good iefgs evening, live from wisconsin. nbc news declares walker winner in the recall election over milwaukee tom barrett and they declare rebecca kleefisch the winner. tom barrett, the mayor of milwaukee, says he will not concede. his campaign says there's ongoing voting in milwaukee, the barrett campaign was outspend 7.5-1. about two-thirds of governor scott walker's donations are from out of state compared to about one-fourth for tom barrett. this is not going to be an easy night for many broadcasters who are liberal. this is not going to be an easy night for this broadcaster, to say that i'm shocked and stunned is pretty much an understatement. but i also think that as a real warning to americans, that money is now infiltrated into our political system like we have never seen before. and the ruling by citizens united is now a real message to every american. it is going to take an insurmountable amount of effort on the ground for the progressive move. and the democrats to do what they need to do in 2012. and this is also

or is wisconsin no longer a sure bet for him? pat? >> wisconsin is not a sure bet for barack obama. he is still favored. the exit polls showed him up by about 8 but the exit polls show walkner a tie too. >> five months from now. >> here's what's going to happen. the democrats can't take it for granted. so they are going to have to put money and resources and effort, whereas formerly it was safe, it is no longer safe and republicans could pick up a senate seat in wisconsin. >> hold on. this is being fed to you. why didn't president obama campaign for democrat tom barrett in wisconsin? barrett now is the mayor of milwaukee, and he is a democrat. let's ask obama's presidential deputy campaign manager why. >> this is a race for governor with a guy who was recalled. a challenger, trying to get him out of office. has nothing to do with president obama at the top of the ticket, and it certainly does not have anything to do with mitt romney at the top of the republican ticket. >> are you embarrassed by this? >> no i'm not embarrassed. first of all, if -- if obama is in trouble in wisconsin

and he was pretty close to wisconsin. he wouldn't have had much trouble taking a helicopt or or a plane in to support the candidate. but he did send out a tweet last night. i am on twitter, i am not being critical of being on twitter. what do you think the white house's motive was for being so tepid in its endorsement? >> you know, i think the white house sees what wisconsin sees. our reforms are working. you know, we saved between state and local government, a billion dollars, that's a big victory for taxpayers. it keeps more squad cars on the street, it keeps our families safe t. keeps more women going to cancer screenings with our well woman program. these are great victories. part of our positive message of moving the state forward. to be frank with you i don't know that the president wanted to come in and potentially see a loss tonight, knowing that he did not have the ability to lift tomtom bar tote a victory. >> sean: all right, lieutenant governor, good to see you. we expect we might have the results in this hour.

polls close in an hour here in wisconsin. we've already seen a ground operation unlike anything in wisconsin political history. voting in the recall election between scott walker and tom barrett may rival the 2008 presidential election turnout. participation has been off the charts for early voting, for same day registration and of course, this massive get out to vote effort unlike anything we've seen in this part of the country. voters will be in line when the polls close in one hour. remember, you can still vote. you don't have to go home. you get in that line before the polls close, and you will be allowed to vote. election officials say that the turnout is somewhere between 60 and 65%. they expect around 2.8 million votes to be cast in this state today. turnout has been so heavy milwaukee county has had to call in for reenforcements at the poll. the turnout is so important because most voters already made up their minds according to the exit polls. 88% of voters decided which way they were going to vote before the month o

this shouldn't happen in wisconsin. >> greta: the wisconsin battle quickly went national. president obama and speaker boehner not sugar coating their feelings. president obama called governor walker's actions a "assault on unions" and speaker boehner praised the governor for confronting problems neglected for years at the expense of jobs and economic growth. then like something out of a movie 14 democratic state senators disappeared, fleeing the state to avoided voting in the antiunion vote. state senate business grinds to a halt but they find a way to push the antiunion bill through anyway. the hotly anticipated recall election once again pits governor scott walker against milwaukee mayor tom barrett. they ran against each other in november 2010. governor walker is not the only one, though, with a job on the line. lieutenant governor rebecca clayfish also facing a recall on june 5. >> i am the first lieutenant governor in national history to face a recall. i will be the first lieutenant governor in national history to be elected twice in my first term. that you is that? >

my daughter comes in i have to show and tell and will continue our discussion about the wisconsin recall elections after the break we'll get to you first take on the role that money is playing politics. sigrid laboratory kirby was able to build the world's most sophisticated robot which doesn't give a darn about anything mission to teach creation why it should care about humans in the world this is why you should care only. the official placation your ipod touch from the. light on the. video. feeds now with the palm of your. right it's time for show and tell him to night's program last week we told you about a contradiction when it came to economic indicators investors seem to be worried about debt or that's what we're told we're supposed to be worried about and yet these investors are rushing to buy more u.s. treasuries so we asked if you thought of the size of america's debt really matters a ten year bond yields are at record lows let's go to producer patrice and essentially to find out what she had to say. i'm of the streets of d.c. to tell people in the nation's capital what our view

we want our wisconsin values back. we don't want to be experimental dish for the tea party in this country. wisconsin has never been a state that has veered to the far right. never been a state that veered to the far left. it's been a practical, pragmatic state. it's a state filled with people with common sense. they want to have a governor who is going to focus on jobs. >> is repealing the budget control act, if you did that, wouldn't it be another civil war with w a republican legislature? >> no, i think people in the state understand being able to organize is fundamental. >> bret: we asked mayor barrett to come on the show tonight but his campaign declined. we also asked governor walker to come on a we're fortunate he said yes and we are joined live by the wisconsin governor scott walker who is in green bay tonight. thank you for the time, governor. you just heard mayor barrett -- >> good to be with you. >> bret: -- on the stump. he often talks about you dividing the state. and that this wasn't about the state budge

wisconsin! >> projecting a pretty high turnout. >> 3700 people in the district, at least 25 to 2600 voting today. >> today's race is finally going to be decided by wisconsinites. >> i've never had to wait close to this time. it's remarkable. >> it comes down to turnout. >> a maximized turnout. >> the seventh time in the past 14 months that voters have gone

you are a wisconsin native, and you are head of "we are wisconsin." tell everybody what is that first of all. >> absolutely. we are "we are wisconsin" is a grassroots coalition that grew out of the massive up arising last yearrising last year anchored by labor but other progressive allies to build an on the ground field operation. in the last 24 hour stretch, we have been working tirelessly here on the ground for the last three days to do exactly what you said, motivate our base and get out this vote. >> so president obama, this is the words he used, it's election day in wisconsin tomorrow. and i am standing by tom barrett. he'd make an outstanding governor. do you think that is going to help mobilize voters? >> 0, absolutely. we are excited to have president obama throw his support publically as he tweeted this evening. i know in our headquarters and in our field offices tonight they were all abuzz, excited to hear from the president and absolutely it's going to help motivate our base as we are just hours away from the polls opening tomorrow at 7:00

this is about the people of wisconsin. not about projections. >> john, everywhere i go it's the teachers. >> teachers have always been respected in this state. my grandmother came up in blue river, wisconsin. she got her credentials at the age of 16 and taught in a one-room school. that was considered one of the most honorable acts in our family. for the last couple of years we have a governor that have been telling us teachers are the problem. we know they're not the problem. they're the solution. >> the john doe investigation, has it played as a negative as much as the democrats have wanted it to? >> it has not gotten all the legs it should have, considering how sleevy and scandalous it is. as the ads came on television, awareness of it has increased dramatically, and at the same time, the numbers have shifted and barrett has come up in the polls. i think it's because people don't like what they're hearing. >> great to have you with us tonight. remember to answer tonight's question at the bottom of the screen. >>> next u

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why is it wisconsin? we asked karl rove. >> generwalker is positioned to the question is by how much. the bigger the victory the bigger the impact. three impacts first of all will be whether or not the wisconsin experiment of bringing into power collective bargaining rights and certain public employee unions and having transparency in retirement benefits and equality of public sector and private sector benefits. that's a big experiment. it's a model for the rest of the country. if he survives other states will be emboldened to take up this banner of reform the second thing it will have a big impact on determining what kind of wisconsin there is in november. are we at the wisconsin in 2008 in which there was a 14 point victory or will we have the wisconsin of 20000 and 2004 gore carried them by 5,000 votes. john kerry carried it by less than half of a percentage point. a very competitive presidential race and slightly smaller victory by walker would indicate the state is more like 2000 and 2004 an won't be

do not belong to all of wisconsin. they are trying to separate the voters of wisconsin, the families, the taxpayers, and that is not true. i will tell you what. we did a $3.6 billion deficit and we fixed it without raising tax-a-saurus a victory owned by everyone. >>neil: when the union said you did it at their expense what do you say? >>guest: we faced tough decisions and we did not have to just fix the $3.6 billion budget deficit we had to look into the future. i have two little girls, six and nine and we know the cost driver of the future, in wisconsin the same as any other state not country, same as our federal government, health care costs are rising, and pension costs. we know baby boomers will retire account first of baby boomers hit age 65 last january, and you need to look out into the future and address those things. how do do you that? >>neil: do you thing you could have handled it differently? a lot of union households say they never said they would completely revisit if not wipe out collective bargaining.

our guest is governor scott walker of wisconsin. hess we had several visits with his predecessor, thomas thompson, back when he was wisconsin's governor. scott walker was born in colorado and new to wisconsin when he was 10. he attended marquette university but left before graduating to work for the american red cross. his first experience in elective office was in the wisconsin state assembly where he served until 2002. he was elected as milwaukee's county executive. he was elected wisconsin governor in 2010. earlier this month he became the first u.s. governor to keep his seat in a recall election to the battle was triggered by his effort to restrict collective bargaining rights for public workers. that is the biographical portion of today's program. a note about c-span's presence here today. for two years, the monster has posted video of the breakfast on our website and on the website of her video partner. the presence of cameras did not negatively impact our goal of posting a civilized, in-depth conversations. we reached out to

milwaukee, and we lost rural wisconsin. the move toward the fall, we'll have to have a better equation in investment in the campaign. it pains me to see so much money having so much influence, pushing a one-person one-vote democracy further and further away from the common people. we must keep fighting the fight for public funding of these campaigns. too few people with too much money are call too many shots on america's destiny. >> let's go live now to the scott walker campaign. reverend jackson. thanks for joining us. scott walker coming out. he's going to give his victory speech tonight. after fighting off the recall, and he defeats tom barrett and remains the governor of wisconsin. scott walker, tonight, winning rural wisconsin in a big way. winning nonunion households in a big way. here's the governor. >> wow! what a crowd! first of all, first of all, i want to thank god for his abundant grace. next, i particularly want to thank not only all of you here but people across the state. i want to thank you for your prayers

not just about wisconsin. >>neil: say governor walker survives this, that wisconsin is in play, typically democratic state or a couple of close cases here and there but by and large it is not president since ronald reagan in 1984, would you see that changing? >>guest: my guess is regardless of what happens today, wisconsin will be if play for a senate seat as well as for the ten electoral votes which i hope go to governor romney. i think if scott survives, it increases our chances dramatically. but, regardless, wisconsin is in play. wisconsin is generally a fiscally conservative state. this is a real misconception here and there could be some more social liberalism in wisconsin but we are hard working folks in wisconsin and we want to make sure that government lives in its means so i view this as a fiscally conservative state and of course, president obama has not been a particularly fiscally conservative president. >>neil: we will watch closely, senator johnson, always a pleasure. thank you very much. >>guest

scott walkner wisconsin is a real hero. i was in a republican event just before the presidential primary in april before romney and walker were there. there was no doubt who was the real popular politician there. people who were republicans and conservatives see scott walker as a rock star. in part because they see him as a convict politician. that's not the way governor romney has been seen. maybe walker can translate some of that to governor romney in the fall, but that's the difference going forward. this was not a referendum on the president yesterday. we will see that in the fall and at this point you would still have to say that president obama pulled some edge. but the republicans given when they were able to do in terms of turning out voters. they can put this state into play if they can get other elements put together. they turned out bigger than in 2010 in the first election against scott walker. they were not able to convince a higher percentage to vote. they were identical to what happened in 2010. if there was

and wisconsin state senators will join me. the new report shows that scott walker is in hot water and he's denying everything. democratic challengers tom barrett and malin mitchell will weigh in. stay with us. we're coming right back. [ male announcer ] it seems like every company has a facebook page these days. but where's the relationship status? well, esurance is now in a relationship...with allstate. and it looks pretty serious. esurance. click or call. >>> coming up, republicans say democrats are trying to cheat their way to victory tomorrow. up next, state senators will debate the issue with republican state senator glen growthman. reverend jackson with us later in this broadcast. the man with the plan to defeat scott walker is here. tom barrett and his running mate mahlon mitchell will be here tonight. share your thoughts on twitter. we'll be right back. >>> do you think voter fraud could swing an election? >> yes. >> you do? >> i do. i think voter fraud is a reality of our time. i think wisconsin voters are aware. >> g